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Should cycling two abreast be allowed?

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    #122
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Wombatman wrote: »
    For transport yes, but for socialising?

    People go for a drive. So why can’t people go for a cycle?


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    #123
    AndrewJRenko
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    Wombatman wrote: »
    For transport yes, but for socialising?

    Do we get to judge the purpose of each other's journeys now? Do drivers driving to the pub or cinema need to pull over to let faster commuting cyclists through? Do coaches of tourists need to pull over to let commuting cyclists through?

    How's this novel approach going to work?


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    #124
    AndrewJRenko
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    StinkyMunkey wrote: »
    Inconsiderate people are the problem, not the mode of transport.

    It's hard to take complaints of being inconsiderate seriously from those who drive around with four empty seats complaining about others taking up space.


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    #125
    Wombatman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    People go for a drive. So why can’t people go for a cycle?

    This is not about trying to prevent cyclists from using the road.


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    #126
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Wombatman wrote: »
    This is not about trying to prevent cyclists from using the road.

    So what is it about, given the context of about 150 killed on the road last year?


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    #127
    Sam Hain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭Sam Hain


    Weepsie wrote: »
    I bet it isn't. A group of only 4 cyclists can look like 3 abreast of they are not perfectly aligned.

    What people perceive as 3-4 abreast is mostly absolute bs, and a handy line to bandy about. Its generally a group, of 2 abreast cyclists that look otherwise.

    An optical illusion due to distorted alignment. Erm, that's interesting.


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    #128
    Sam Hain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭Sam Hain


    flange888 wrote: »
    Yes it should and I'll tell you why, for two reasons;
    1. Cycling two abreast makes the group more compact and allows cars to overtake much more easily.
    2. Cycling is great for the head and what makes it even better is the social element, going out for a spin on the bike with a group of people is much more enjoyable when you can have a good chin wag at the same time, very hard to do that when in single file.

    Your second point makes me want to vomit.


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    #129
    Wombatman
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So what is it about, given the context of about 150 killed on the road last year?

    That's not the context. More like optimum use of our roads . You don't cycle two abreast in gridlocked city traffic do you? That would be sub optimal.


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    #130
    Hurrache
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    Sam Hain wrote: »
    Your second point makes me want to vomit.

    You should get out for a cycle, it'll make you feel better about yourself.


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    #131
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Wombatman wrote: »
    That's not the context. More like optimum use of our roads . You don't cycle two abreast in gridlocked city traffic do you? That would be sub optimal.

    And single occupancy cars, cars of any kind actually, are optimal use of road space in gridlocked cities?


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    #132
    Wombatman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Hurrache wrote: »
    And single occupancy cars, cars of any kind actually, are optimal use of road space in gridlocked cities?

    Did I say they were?


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    #133
    Sam Hain
    Registered Users Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭Sam Hain


    Hurrache wrote: »
    You should get out for a cycle, it'll make you feel better about yourself.

    Don't need to, just seeing the groups of middle aged men in unflattering Spandex I see hogging seats in every cafe up and down the country every Sunday makes me feel great about myself.


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    #134
    Weepsie
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Sam Hain wrote: »
    An optical illusion due to distorted alignment. Erm, that's interesting.

    It is interesting. If I wasn't on mobile I'd be able to link to some examples. It's not just an opinion, it very definitely happens


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    #135
    tuxy
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    Sam Hain wrote: »
    Don't need to, just seeing the groups of middle aged men in unflattering Spandex I see hogging seats in every cafe up and down the country every Sunday makes me feel great about myself.

    So seeing people out and about enjoying themselves also makes you happy. That's the spirit!


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    #136
    MaryBrosnan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 110 ✭✭MaryBrosnan


    Once I don’t see VPL I’m happy.


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    #137
    Teddy Daniels
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    Branson Angry Circus wrote: »
    Absolutely no way should it be allowed, causing needless hold ups for cars and other vehicles where you could get past one easily but two abreast makes it too tight to get past with oncoming traffic.

    How much room do you give a single cyclist when you overtake ?
    I always cross to the other side to over take any other road user be it a cyclist a horse or a tractor but I see many people who seem to think if they are a foot away it’s ok to squeeze through!


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    #138
    jimd2
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It's hard to take complaints of being inconsiderate seriously from those who drive around with four empty seats complaining about others taking up space.

    Brain dead post.

    Are you seriously expecting people to take spare seats out of a car when one is driving somewhere on their own?

    Do you drive on your own and do you do that?


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    #139
    jimd2
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    Sam Hain wrote: »
    Don't need to, just seeing the groups of middle aged men in unflattering Spandex I see hogging seats in every cafe up and down the country every Sunday makes me feel great about myself.

    I actually think cycle groups like this are good for local economies down the country and are great business for some small cafe owners.


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    #140
    Fighting Tao
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    Wombatman wrote: »
    This is not about trying to prevent cyclists from using the road.

    You are talking out of both sides of your mouth now.


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    #141
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    jimd2 wrote: »
    Brain dead post.

    Are you seriously expecting people to take spare seats out of a car when one is driving somewhere on their own?

    Do you drive on your own and do you do that?

    I think you've got the wrong end of the (gear) stick.

    The issue isn't about whether the seats are installed or not. The issue is about choosing a mode of transport that inherently involves driving round with four empty seats, while simultaneously complaining about others taking up too much space on the road, especially when these drivers have deliberately chosen to buy larger and larger vehicles that take up even more space for their empty seats. Do you see the hypocrisy involved now, or do I need to spell it out further?

    It's just a bit greedy.


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    #142
    AndrewJRenko
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    MaryBrosnan wrote: »
    Once I don’t see VPL I’m happy.

    I generally find it easy to avoid seeing VPL by not staring at people's arses. Have you tried that technique?


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    #143
    AndrewJRenko
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    Sam Hain wrote: »
    Don't need to, just seeing the groups of middle aged men in unflattering Spandex I see hogging seats in every cafe up and down the country every Sunday makes me feel great about myself.

    Is this Schrodinger's cyclists, simultaneously impairing optimum road use AND hogging seats in 'every café' in the country? Have they mastered the art of bi-location or what?

    Do you have the same concerns about middle aged mammies in unflattering Spandex for their coffee morning after the school run and Lidl?


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    #144
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,468 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Wombatman wrote: »
    That's not the context. More like optimum use of our roads . You don't cycle two abreast in gridlocked city traffic do you? That would be sub optimal.

    That most certainly is the context. You can of course choose to ignore the context if you wish, but that doesn't change the context. It's a bit of a "Nero fiddling while Rome is burning" situation, that you want to divert regulators and policy makers away from reducing the death toll on the roads to deal with the most trivial and minor of issues on the road instead.

    Maybe it's just pay back for all the cars that jam up the roads from Monday to Friday?


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    #145
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Ah Ireland and cyclists. People will sit for hours like lemmings in their cars in traffic jams they’ve helped create, yet coming across cyclists travelling legally and safely two abreast and people lose their mind.

    Bit surprised there’s no mention of mandatory “road tax”, insurance or red light breaking at this point. Early days yet though.


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    #146
    RacoonQueen
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    jimd2 wrote: »
    I actually think cycle groups like this are good for local economies down the country and are great business for some small cafe owners.

    They sure are, so much so that a fair few cafes make provisions for cyclists (pumps, offering spare tubes for free, facilities to refill bottles etc).


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    #147
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Is this Schrodinger's cyclists, simultaneously impairing optimum road use AND hogging seats in 'every café' in the country? Have they mastered the art of bi-location or what?

    Do you have the same concerns about middle aged mammies in unflattering Spandex for their coffee morning after the school run and Lidl?

    He sounds like another of those guys that can’t stop staring at men’s crotches in cafes.


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    #148
    Graces7
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    mikhail wrote: »
    Seems like you've little enough to be worrying you. I literally can't remember the last time I met a pair of cyclists riding abreast. I'm fairly sure that I had overtaken them seconds later though.

    It gets risky on narrow winding rural lanes. You drive even slowly round a bend and two abreast is chancy. Most single out thankfully, On many lanes even one means doodling behind him and if uphlll..

    So no.. single file please at least on narrow rural lanes


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    #149
    TCM
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    Absolutely not. Two abreast usually means middle of the road with no regard for other road users. It's often "we'll show them" type of attitute.


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    #150
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    mrcheez wrote: »
    Ooh ooh another cyclist thread..has anyone said "red lights" yet???

    Or road tax?

    Or Joe?

    Ironically enough you're not only the first but the one and only.

    Well done.


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    #151
    Pinch Flat
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    TCM wrote: »
    Absolutely not. Two abreast usually means middle of the road with no regard for other road users. It's often "we'll show them" type of attitute.

    If it’s “we’ll show them to pass a few humans safely”, then mea culpa. Realise the group think is to blast by without a jot of thought.


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