The Ongoing Issue of Feral Youths Running Amok in Dublin

shootermacg · 22-05-2020 4:32pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Here's some solutions.

(1) Child allowance payments are limited to 2 per family.

(2) Legal Aid is subtracted from future welfare payments

(3) Single mother allowance is scrapped (they already have child allowance)

(4) In cases where a child under 18 has been found guilty of a violent crime it will be mandatory for the victim of that crime to be compensated

(5) After one year of unemployment there is a reduction in your welfare.

(6) Social housing given to the actually homeless not a scrote who decides he wants to move out of his parents house and have his own house down the road (if they want that then they can get a job like the rest of us)

(7) If you are convicted of a criminal offence there will be a 10% reduction in your social welfare payments for a period of 5 years

(8) Those able bodied and on welfare payments are put to work at least once a week doing social works such as cleaning up parks, assisting in works on public schools, delivering food to the homeless etc.

(9) Social welfare cut completely where CAB have determined that household income is supplemented by illegal activities such as drug dealing. In order to have welfare payments restarted the local Gardai and CAB must be confident that all illegal activities have stopped.

(10) Child allowance stopped for a period of a year when the child is convicted of a serious offence.

(11) Single mother allowance (if not scrapped completely) is discontinued where it is shown that the recipient has been living with a long term partner

China called, they want you there stat!

SoSolidFool · 22-05-2020 4:41pm

shootermacg wrote: »

China called, they want you there stat!

It is people like you that are part of the problem.

Talking about making reductions in one of the most generous welfare payments in the world is now akin to being a police state?

Why don't you tell me which policies you disagree with?

Blueshoe · 22-05-2020 4:44pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

It is people like you that are part of the problem.

Talking about making reductions in one of the most generous welfare payments in the world is now akin to being a police state?

Why don't you tell me which policies you disagree with?

I would leave all welfare payments in place for those who need it. What's the point in having a successful economy if we can't help out those who require a leg up.

However those who break the rules or abuse the system need to be cut off from payments or at least reduced.

It's simple enough

Atlantic Dawn · 22-05-2020 4:48pm

iamstop wrote: »

You lost me at 'illegitimate kids'.

Kids where the fathers name has been deliberately not disclosed on the childs birth cert so the father never has to pay a single cent in maintenance for their kids for their entire life. Usually said father(s) will be 'secretly' living in the same council provided house.

StackSteevens · 22-05-2020 4:49pm

iamstop wrote: »

You lost me at 'illegitimate kids'.

Despite the fact that you knew exactly what he was getting at, you decided that rather than participate in the discussion this would be a good time to pull on your freshly ironed PC boxer shorts.

SoSolidFool · 22-05-2020 4:49pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

I would leave all welfare payments in place for those who need it. What's the point in having a successful economy if we can't help out those who require a leg up.

However those who break the rules or abuse the system need to be cut off from payments or at least reduced.

It's simple enough

Do you think that the welfare should be reduced after one year of unemployment?

There is disability payment for those not able to work so this would only be directed at people who are flat out refusing to work.

Silentcorner · 22-05-2020 4:55pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Kids where the fathers name has been deliberately not disclosed on the childs birth cert so the father never has to pay a single cent in maintenance for their kids for their entire life. Usually said father(s) will be 'secretly' living in the same council provided house.

That is only one scam....there are a ball of them...all the while, young hard working families have to have two working parents forking out huge money for childcare and mortgages/rent they can barely afford and have to commute often hours a day missing out on some of the best of times with their children.

Young mothers working full time has to be the hardest position of them all...that is really difficult, the state doesn't care about women who put the child's fathers name on the birth cert!!!

But let's all carry on like nothing is wrong with that...

Widye · 22-05-2020 4:59pm

I dont think we will ever properly deal with the knock on effects of a feral underclass in this country. For too long its been treated as out of sight, out of mind.

Now, gangs of violent, dangerous, armed youth are leaving their areas and attacking the public.

What is it going to take for a government to crack down not just on the gangs, but on the causes.

God help you if you happen to cross paths with them and they are out for violence.

SoSolidFool · 22-05-2020 5:10pm

Feisar wrote: »

It's not the Gardaí that are soft but our bleeding heart society.

I agree but it isn't just that the Guards are disillusioned with soft sentencing or are afraid of getting into trouble if they are a bit rough, that plays a massive role of course but at the end of the day many of our Gardai are genuinely afraid of people in these areas. You can see it in how they don't walk around these estates, take lip all day long from the kids, even the other day a mother and a skinny scrote intimidated the gardai in their own station into letting their kid go.

The kids aren't scared of them either, they actively make a mockery of them and even attack them.

Those kids running around attacking people for the last 3 days should get the **** beaten out of them by the Public Order Unit. Get them when they're all out on the green and show no mercy. If they want to be scumbags then they can do it in their own estate. Let the parents deal with the feral vermin they raised.

Jinglejangle69 · 22-05-2020 5:18pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

That is only one scam....there are a ball of them...all the while, young hard working families have to have two working parents forking out huge money for childcare and mortgages/rent they can barely afford and have to commute often hours a day missing out on some of the best of times with their children.

Young mothers working full time has to be the hardest position of them all...that is really difficult, the state doesn't care about women who put the child's fathers name on the birth cert!!!

But let's all carry on like nothing is wrong with that...

Don't forget mothers not working getting free creche places as the are "actively seeking employment"

What a load of my bolix.

eviltwin · 22-05-2020 5:20pm

I believe the welfare system should be there for people who want help. You need to complete your leaving, you want to go to college or train but you need help with fees, childcare, materials, travel etc you will get it. I work with people who are desperate to improve their situation but don't have the means to do so. At the same time lazy folk who have no intention of making any improvement to their lot get the same amount and seem to be left unchecked.

I get people are frustrated by welfare but when used correctly it can benefit everyone. I wouldn't have been able to go to college and get a good job without it.

marieholmfan · 22-05-2020 5:22pm

Legal aid will never be restricted because it pays for the Barrister's house in Chamonix.

The Gardai put far more effort into attacking the Communities Concerned About Drugs organisation than they ever have into stopping the drugs trade.

There was once a junkie called Josie Dwyer he sold heroin.
A junkie called Alan Byrne was the state's main witness in the case against 12 TWELVE men for his death.

John Fitzpatrick who confessed all and cooperated with the police (NEVER COOPERATE WITH THE POLICE) got a SEVEN AND A HALF YEAR sentence for the manslaughter of Josie Dwyer.

SoSolidFool · 22-05-2020 5:25pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Legal aid will never be restricted because it pays for the Barrister's house in Chamonix.

The Gardai put far more effort into attacking the Communities Concerned About Drugs organisation than they ever have into stopping the drugs trade.

There was once a junkie called Josie Dwyer he sold heroin.
A junkie called Alan Byrne was the state's main witness in the case against 12 TWELVE men for his death.

John Fitzpatrick who confessed all and cooperated with the police (NEVER COOPERATE WITH THE POLICE) got a SEVEN AND A HALF YEAR sentence for the manslaughter of Josie Dwyer.

I am not saying to restrict legal aid. I am proposing that the state will cover the expense initially but it will be repaid out of the accused's welfare payments over a course of months.

If committing a crime means they will have to pay for their legal fees out of their social welfare and results in a 10% reduction in their welfare payments for 5 years then they'll think twice about engaging in criminal acts. It also saves a chunk of change for the state.

Also could someone answer me this; Can you receive the dole while you are incarcerated? If so that practice needs to stopped as well.

eviltwin · 22-05-2020 5:28pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Don't forget mothers not working getting free creche places as the are "actively seeking employment"

What a load of my bolix.

As far as I know, you have to be actually working, on a scheme or in education to get a creche place and then it's only a few hours a day so useless for anyone looking at full-time work or college. Limited places too so it's not a solution. Lack of affordable childcare is one of the biggest obstacles for a young parent getting out of welfare.

marieholmfan · 22-05-2020 5:29pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

I am not saying to restrict legal aid. I am proposing that the state will cover the expense initially but it will be repaid out of their welfare payments over a course of months.

Whatever. Most of the Judges have kids who are lawyers. No criminals , no crime .No crime , no case. No case no fee. No fee no Chamonix.

I think corporal punishment would work now. It would have been irrelevant twenty years ago when all these little bastards got worse at home but now many of them will never have been beaten with a belt. It is extremely unpleasant.

Shakey_jake · 22-05-2020 5:33pm

Set up an online petition and get the word out, politicians dont seem to give a damn at all unless pressure is put on them

SoSolidFool · 22-05-2020 5:39pm

Shakey_jake wrote: »

Set up an online petition and get the word out, politicians dont seem to give a damn at all unless pressure is put on them

An online petition won't do it.

Nothing will happen until a Garda gets killed or some high profile innocent. Being perfectly honest i think we're not far off seeing a Gardai being killed again.

5 shootings in 5 days is crazy, gangs of teenagers running riot 3 days straight and putting victims in intensive care, former gardai being brutally assaulted.

The politicians and Gardai are on track to lose control of the city. It's going to be very hard to get things under control again.

end of the road · 22-05-2020 5:40pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

We are now reaping what far left policies have sown.

Unlimited free dole, unlimited suspended sentences.
Not working? Go on, have 10 illegitimate kids. Johnny Taxpayer has you covered.
Here's a free house next to your ma, who never worked a day I her life.

How could it be any other way?

interesting, i never knew ff and fg were far left. when did they become that?
there will always be people who have a number of children, you will just need to get used to thaht fact.
also there are no such thing as illegitimate kids.

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Here's some solutions.

(1) Child allowance payments are limited to 2 per family.

(2) Legal Aid is subtracted from future welfare payments

(3) Single mother allowance is scrapped (they already have child allowance)

(4) In cases where a child under 18 has been found guilty of a violent crime it will be mandatory for the victim of that crime to be compensated by the parents of that child

(5) After one year of unemployment there is a reduction in your welfare.

(6) Social housing given to the actually homeless not a scrote who decides he wants to move out of his parents house and have his own house down the road (if they want that then they can get a job like the rest of us)

(7) If you are convicted of a criminal offence there will be a 10% reduction in your social welfare payments for a period of 5 years

(8) Those able bodied and on welfare payments are put to work at least once a week doing social works such as cleaning up parks, assisting in works on public schools, delivering food to the homeless etc.

(9) Social welfare cut completely where CAB have determined that household income is supplemented by illegal activities such as drug dealing. In order to have welfare payments restarted the local Gardai and CAB must be confident that all illegal activities have stopped.

(10) Child allowance stopped for a period of a year when the child is convicted of a serious offence.

(11) Single mother allowance (if not scrapped completely) is discontinued where it is shown that the recipient has been living with a long term partner

1. would be pointless as there will always be people who have more then 2 children, children should never go without support because of our disagreement with their parents.
2. would achieve nothing, free legal aid exists to insure access to fair justice regardless of means, rightly so.
3. not seeing the point of this, single parents receive single parent allowence because, well, they are single, which can be more of a struggle then having 2 parents with incomes.
4. would likely be unviable due to cost and resources. anyway, the punishment handed out by the court is the compensation, all be it i would agree punishments can be rather low all though that can be changed.
5. would bring undue hardship upon people who are genuinely struggling to find work and who may need a bit more time to find something, for the unemployable it would do nothing anyway so as a mechanism to somehow get them to work it has failed before it could even get going.
6. is already the case i believe.
7. would be pointless, would probably be an incentive to commit more crime actually rather then reform.
8. there are already people to do those jobs, if some are unwilling to work as it is, it would probably require serious resourcing to make it work which would cost.
9. i would be surprised if that already isn't the case actually. all though if cab are aware of illegal activity then it's just as easy for them to interveen and take ill gotten gains anyway as they seem to already be doing where appropriate.
10. would do nothing really.
11. i believe that is already the case.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Kids where the fathers name has been deliberately not disclosed on the childs birth cert so the father never has to pay a single cent in maintenance for their kids for their entire life. Usually said father(s) will be 'secretly' living in the same council provided house.

yeah, still no such thing as "illegitimate" kids.

Silentcorner wrote: »

That is only one scam....there are a ball of them...all the while, young hard working families have to have two working parents forking out huge money for childcare and mortgages/rent they can barely afford and have to commute often hours a day missing out on some of the best of times with their children.

Young mothers working full time has to be the hardest position of them all...that is really difficult, the state doesn't care about women who put the child's fathers name on the birth cert!!!

But let's all carry on like nothing is wrong with that...

having to commute hours a day and pay huge rents and mortgages is down to government policy, not down to wellfare fraudsters who i think we can all agree should be dealt with.
2 working parents, 1 effectively working to pay the child care is a choice however, if people were guaranteed to be able to get back into the work force after having a child and staying at home to raise them for a time then this may not be so much of a thing.

no.8 · 22-05-2020 5:43pm

Operation 'scrote cull' is a necessity at this point

marieholmfan · 22-05-2020 5:48pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

I am not saying to restrict legal aid. I am proposing that the state will cover the expense initially but it will be repaid out of the accused's welfare payments over a course of months.

If committing a crime means they will have to pay for their legal fees out of their social welfare and results in a 10% reduction in their welfare payments for 5 years then they'll think twice about engaging in criminal acts. It also saves a chunk of change for the state.

Also could someone answer me this; Can you receive the dole while you are incarcerated? If so that practice needs to stopped as well.

Of course you don't get the dole while incarcerated as you aren't available for work.

end of the road · 22-05-2020 5:50pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

I am not saying to restrict legal aid. I am proposing that the state will cover the expense initially but it will be repaid out of the accused's welfare payments over a course of months.

If committing a crime means they will have to pay for their legal fees out of their social welfare and results in a 10% reduction in their welfare payments for 5 years then they'll think twice about engaging in criminal acts.

this is unlikely to be the case and i would suggest is just wishful thinking.
chances are anyway they would just suplament the lost income by committing more crime.

SoSolidFool wrote: »

It also saves a chunk of change for the state.

not necessarily, see above as to why that would possibly not be so.

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Also could someone answer me this; Can you receive the dole while you are incarcerated? If so that practice needs to stopped as well.

as far as i am aware you cannot receive wellfare while in prison.

iamstop · 22-05-2020 5:51pm

StackSteevens wrote: »

Despite the fact that you knew exactly what he was getting at, you decided that rather than participate in the discussion this would be a good time to pull on your freshly ironed PC boxer shorts.

I'm not in the PC brigade. I just strongly disagree with dehumanization on any level. Especially children and especially with any kind of religious connotations.

Back on topic, proper jail time for repeat offenders. Also, is there juvenile detention in Ireland? Should be.

marieholmfan · 22-05-2020 5:51pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Want a clamp down on crime and the little scrotes running riot?

It has to start at the top. There is no right wing party in Ireland. There should be. That's the problem right there.

End the welfare and softly softly approach. Ignore the outrage merchants

It isn't a right wing party that is needed it is a hard left party dedicated to the empowerment of the working class and which accepts that hooligan elements have the most significant impact on the poorest people.

The likes of Andrew Barry as adolescents were a nightmare for their neighbours ; not so much for the denizens of Dalkey and Foxrock.

marieholmfan · 22-05-2020 5:55pm

iamstop wrote: »

I'm not in the PC brigade. I just strongly disagree with dehumanization on any level. Especially children and especially with any kind of religious connotations.

Back on topic, proper jail time for repeat offenders. Also, is there juvenile detention in Ireland? Should be.

Yes there is one prison ; Oberstown , it is used for boys who are very dangerous or for boys who are dangerous and whose families encourage criminality.
To go there you have to be
1 a proper little criminal
2 mentally ill
3 a repeat offender from a family of criminals
4 a murderer or attempted

I believe that corporal punishment in place of caution would now be effective as there are many boys even boys who think they are hard who are not routinely beaten at home.

Ronaldinho · 22-05-2020 5:56pm

Ballso wrote: »

Where's the right wing low crime havens then?

Utah

sheepsh4gger · 22-05-2020 5:58pm

Allow normal people to carry guns in public like in the wild west. That's the only solution.
If you ban guns then only gangsters will have them.
If you allow guns then the thugs are afraid to jump people because say a woman can carry a revolver in her purse.
The great thing about firearms is that you don't need to have skill to use them. It's a great equalizer.
I do a lot of 3D printing and can imagine in future people getting powder-based printers with a laser micro-welding them guns layer by layer.

marieholmfan · 22-05-2020 6:01pm

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

Allow normal people to carry guns in public like in the wild west. That's the only solution.
If you ban guns then only gangsters will have them.
If you allow guns then the thugs are afraid to jump people because say a woman can carry a revolver in her purse.
The great thing about firearms is that you don't need to have skill to use them. It's a great equalizer.
I do a lot of 3D printing and can imagine in future people getting powder-based printers with a laser micro-welding them guns layer by layer.

Guns were not banned because of crime. Guns were banned because of the Russian Revolution.

sheepsh4gger · 22-05-2020 6:07pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Guns were not banned because of crime. Guns were banned because of the Russian Revolution.

To protect government from its people.
We need a ghost gunner neighborhood patrol. You can make guns from ABS plastic using your average FDM printer but they can only fire maybe 2 shots.

Odhinn · 22-05-2020 6:12pm

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao tse tung had what in common?

Each was a single mother, but because of SJWs you can't call them out.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-05-2020 6:31pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao tse tung had what in common?

Each was a single mother

:eek:

Jinglejangle69 · 22-05-2020 6:33pm

eviltwin wrote: »

As far as I know, you have to be actually working, on a scheme or in education to get a creche place and then it's only a few hours a day so useless for anyone looking at full-time work or college. Limited places too so it's not a solution. Lack of affordable childcare is one of the biggest obstacles for a young parent getting out of welfare.

"scheme"

Poxy fas course or something probably to keep the social off their backs for a while.

Then back to their handout lifestyle without interference.

eviltwin · 22-05-2020 6:43pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

"scheme"

Poxy fas course or something probably to keep the social off their backs for a while.

Then back to their handout lifestyle without interference.

So when people go out to do a course or work placement you're complaining. If they do nothing you complain. Tell me, what should single parents do?

Thelonious Monk · 22-05-2020 6:44pm

Gas, I was going to start a thread on this earlier.
We simply don't have a police force to deal with this kind of thing, our police are absolutely pathetic. And the state of them. I have zero respect for them anyway, when I was a teenager, hanging around the mean streets of Killester ffs, we would get stopped all the time, and searched. We were kids in Metallica t-shirts, they had no reason to bother us, they're just too f*cking afraid to tackle the real problems where the scumbags actually live.
So it's only going to get worse.
I don't know why we have such an underclass of scumbags here. My theory is that it's some kind of passed on intergenerational trauma from times of impoverished persecuted past, that creates all these angry thugs.
I have never seen the likes of it in any other developed country, maybe a little in the UK, but in what other developed country do beaches turn into riots on a sunny day?

tastyt · 22-05-2020 6:57pm

Yes the guards are piss poor and afraid to tackle the issues but there’s a reason for it. They are snookered.

If I was a cop there is nothing I’d like better than to go out in a few jeeps like a swat team to these areas and batter the **** out of all these scrotes but imagine the consequences in the media and the bleeding hearts.

Guards are literally coming to a gunfight with a ****ing baton, it’s pathetic. A few armed units is not enough, if criminals or youths don’t fear or respect the guards then you simply have no chance of them respecting the wider community

New prisons need to be built ASAP as there is currently nowhere to put these nackers anyway. Take legal aid payment from their dole or parents . It should also be made illegal to record a guard on your phone, they are afraid of their lives to move with 10 phones out recording every move .

It’s an absolute scourge on the country to be honest, dealers in every town, scrotes running amok, travellers doing whatever they want and the cops and media more ****ing interested in your tax and insurance

ChikiChiki · 22-05-2020 7:00pm

Was in the circle K garage the other day just over the bridge at Ballybough/Fairview. A gang of these little cnuts on their bikes arrived probably from the flats as you see them around a fair bit roaming in packs.

One of these little cnuts comes in and proceeds to help himself to bars and drinks and then walks out the door laughing as the shopkeeper shouted at him to pay. Honestly felt like thumping him myself but not worth the risk in the current environment.

Astounding lack of giving a **** was on show.

I think Spanish policing style is the way to go. Tooled up bulked up cops who are certainly not afraid of the PC brigade and will knock 7 shades of ****e out of these scrotes. The Guards style is simply not respected.

Thelonious Monk · 22-05-2020 7:00pm

We do not have a police force that is up to task, the whole thing needs to be overhauled.

Shakey_jake · 22-05-2020 7:02pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Gas, I was going to start a thread on this earlier.
We simply don't have a police force to deal with this kind of thing, our police are absolutely pathetic. And the state of them. I have zero respect for them anyway, when I was a teenager, hanging around the mean streets of Killester ffs, we would get stopped all the time, and searched. We were kids in Metallica t-shirts, they had no reason to bother us, they're just too f*cking afraid to tackle the real problems where the scumbags actually live.
So it's only going to get worse.
I don't know why we have such an underclass of scumbags here. My theory is that it's some kind of passed on intergenerational trauma from times of impoverished persecuted past, that creates all these angry thugs.
I have never seen the likes of it in any other developed country, maybe a little in the UK, but in what other developed country do beaches turn into riots on a sunny day?

That's it though, cops searching me and my mates for no reason at all, ends up pulling out my mates braces retainer.

Had my name taken on wexford street for kissing a girl down a lane way, two of them quizzing me like you couldn't make it up!!

Also where did all these garda appear from in the last month or so??

Cant find one when you need one usually

Thelonious Monk · 22-05-2020 7:02pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Was in the circle K garage the other day just over the bridge at Ballybough/Fairview. A gang of these little cnuts on their bikes arrived probably from the flats as you see them around a fair bit roaming in packs.

One of these little cnuts comes in and proceeds to help himself to bars and drinks and then walks out the door laughing as the shopkeeper shouted at him to pay. Honestly felt like thumping him myself but not worth the risk in the current environment.

Astounding lack of giving a **** was on show.

Yeah there are bike gangs all over North Dublin at the moment, how did that happen

SoSolidFool · 22-05-2020 7:03pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Gas, I was going to start a thread on this earlier.
We simply don't have a police force to deal with this kind of thing, our police are absolutely pathetic. And the state of them. I have zero respect for them anyway, when I was a teenager, hanging around the mean streets of Killester ffs, we would get stopped all the time, and searched. We were kids in Metallica t-shirts, they had no reason to bother us, they're just too f*cking afraid to tackle the real problems where the scumbags actually live.
So it's only going to get worse.
I don't know why we have such an underclass of scumbags here. My theory is that it's some kind of passed on intergenerational trauma from times of impoverished persecuted past, that creates all these angry thugs.
I have never seen the likes of it in any other developed country, maybe a little in the UK, but in what other developed country do beaches turn into riots on a sunny day?

Your spot on. Another thing I will never understand how junkies can openly deal on our main city centre street with guards literally metres away. Here they are openly dealing class A drugs and the guards don't touch them.

Thelonious Monk · 22-05-2020 7:03pm

Shakey_jake wrote: »

That's it though, cops searching me and my mates for no reason at all, ends up pulling out my mates braces retainer.

Had my name taken on wexford street for kissing a girl down a lane way, two of them quizzing me like you couldn't make it up!!

Also where did all these garda appear from in the last month or so??

Cant find one when you need one usually

Yep, sometimes we would be roughed up by them, mid 90s, my mate got a few slaps once in front of us all. We were all just teenagers hanging around, not even up to no good. They're a bunch of pussies.

iamstop · 22-05-2020 7:04pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao tse tung had what in common?

Each was a single mother, but because of SJWs you can't call them out.

It's so obvious now! Mandatory fathers for all kids, regardless. We can close the thread now. Cheers.

Thelonious Monk · 22-05-2020 7:04pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Your spot on. Another thing I will never understand how junkies can openly deal on our main city centre street with guards literally metres away. Here they are openly dealing class A drugs and the guards don't touch them.

In fairness, there's not much point in going after small time junkies like that, it's not in their interest. These are sick people and are gonna get heroin no matter what. They must have some kind of strategy to just turn a blind eye to a certain extent while trying to keep some kind of relative peace.

22-05-2020 7:05pm

Ye can talk about courts and whatever but the simple fact is we are not increasing our prison spaces and that's the main issue here.

We even closed our youth prison recently and closed some of the main prisons.

Until people make crime an election issue we wont see this change as sentences cannot be carried out in full.

cal naughton · 22-05-2020 7:05pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah there are bike gangs all over North Dublin at the moment, how did that happen

They didn't get them on the bike to work scheme anyway!!

SoSolidFool · 22-05-2020 7:09pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness, there's not much point in going after small time junkies like that, it's not in their interest. These are sick people and are gonna get heroin no matter what. They must have some kind of strategy to just turn a blind eye to a certain extent while trying to keep some kind of relative peace.

Yet a lad with a bit of coke on a Saturday night is being arrested and charged?

Open dealing of a class A drug on our city centre streets should be clamped down on. How can anyone respect the Guards when they see even skinny junkies don't respect them. They literally sell in front of them.

They only want the soft targets.

ChikiChiki · 22-05-2020 7:09pm

It would take something big to happen for things to change. The murder of KMW sparked massive furore which dissappeared under the general election and pandemic.

It will take a big event such as a Garda being seriously injured to generate enough public outcry for the state to get a grip on this.

Right now it's not politically sexy so to speak.

And the Judicial system and legal profession play huge parts in this decline. Plenty of scum in them ranks.

SoSolidFool · 22-05-2020 7:12pm

cal naughton wrote: »

They didn't get them on the bike to work scheme anyway!!

They got the bikes from the bike to work scheme but the bikes were previously owned...

Fred Cryton · 22-05-2020 7:28pm

Nothing will change until a proper centre right party is formed which is tough on crime. But the problem then is the Irish people, many of them conditioned like children to be "looked after" by some nanny State, will only vote for the party offering them the most goodies. The general media consensus after the last election is that Irish people wanted a bigger State. That just means more welfare for exactly the people we're talking about in this thread. Paid for by one of the highest marginal tax rates in the world. It never ends.

double jobbing · 22-05-2020 7:37pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

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Now we have an incoming crack epidemic that is going to engulf the cities.

I can't be bothered to google it but you will find articles predicting an incoming Dublin crack and crystal meth epidemic on the likes of the Independent from the year 2000. Yet to this day meth is almost unheard of and crack is

a- small scale

b- seems largely restricted to existing heroin addicts, few of whom are younger than their late 30's any more.

Young lads necking benzos and xanax like sweets with drink on top seems to be more prevalent. Not uncommon to see teens and young adults around town who physically don't look like a junkie but have the same long winded drawl as one.

double jobbing · 22-05-2020 7:39pm

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Your spot on. Another thing I will never understand how junkies can openly deal on our main city centre street with guards literally metres away. Here they are openly dealing class A drugs and the guards don't touch them.

LOL.

Is Talbot St our main street? As it's perfectly possible to walk down O'Connel St and not see a junkie, let alone an open air drug market.

The Ongoing Issue of Feral Youths Running Amok in Dublin

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