Pubs not following Government Guidance

Inquitus · 11-07-2020 5:49pm #1

Gibneys in Malahide not requiring food to be purchased, a booking to be made or time restrictions enforced, all which are required by Gov guidance.

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pinkypinky · 11-07-2020 6:11pm

Go straight ahead and report them to the Gardaí then.

odyssey06 · 11-07-2020 6:16pm

There's nothing the Gardai can do immediately unless they file it away as a basis to object to licence renewal.

Wishbone Ash · 11-07-2020 6:21pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Gibneys in Malahide not requiring food to be purchased, a booking to be made or time restrictions enforced, all which are required by Gov guidance.

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A booking is not required. Pubs may take 'walk ins' if they can accommodate them provided other rules are followed.

The Davestator · 15-07-2020 12:39pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Gibneys in Malahide not requiring food to be purchased, a booking to be made or time restrictions enforced, all which are required by Gov guidance.

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You need to read the actual law and stop being such a curtain twitcher.

There is no need for booking or a minimum spend if the person is not buying alcohol for instance. I can walk into any pub and buy a soup and a coffee and that's fine.

Inquitus · 15-07-2020 1:47pm

The Davestator wrote: »

You need to read the actual law and stop being such a curtain twitcher.

There is no need for booking or a minimum spend if the person is not buying alcohol for instance. I can walk into any pub and buy a soup and a coffee and that's fine.

The people concerned went on an all day drinking session, 8 hours odd, that's clearly against the rules! Practically next door to the Police Station too!

Heres Johnny · 15-07-2020 1:50pm

Inquitus wrote: »

The people concerned went on an all day drinking session, 8 hours odd, that's clearly against the rules! Practically next door to the Police Station too!

Are you a disgruntled wife or something?

So did I on Saturday and it was great craic. Report it to the police if you feel so strongly and go into pub too and complain to management. No point giving out here.

Inquitus · 15-07-2020 1:57pm

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Are you a disgruntled wife or something?

So did I on Saturday and it was great craic. Report it to the police if you feel so strongly and go into pub too and complain to management. No point giving out here.

The rules are in place for a reason, this sort of irresponsible behaviour helps noone.

Dizzyblonde · 15-07-2020 2:23pm

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Are you a disgruntled wife or something?

So did I on Saturday and it was great craic. Report it to the police if you feel so strongly and go into pub too and complain to management. No point giving out here.

We don't tolerate personal insults in this forum. Please be civil.

PhilOssophy · 15-07-2020 2:30pm

Notice a lot of pubs where the name is no longer on the receipt....

antimatterx · 17-07-2020 9:22pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Gibneys in Malahide not requiring food to be purchased, a booking to be made or time restrictions enforced, all which are required by Gov guidance.

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I was in Gibneys today, they served us pints and 10 minutes later they came up and said we have to buy good. We said we would have chips each and they scoffed at us. We said that the menu is shocking, and we're not ordering **** food. We paid the bill and left.

antimatterx · 17-07-2020 9:24pm

The Davestator wrote: »

You need to read the actual law and stop being such a curtain twitcher.

There is no need for booking or a minimum spend if the person is not buying alcohol for instance. I can walk into any pub and buy a soup and a coffee and that's fine.

Well, Gibneys wouldn't serve us chips today. They said we have to order a meal. When I said that's not a law, we were asked to leave.

L1011 · 18-07-2020 4:18pm

antimatterx wrote: »

Well, Gibneys wouldn't serve us chips today. They said we have to order a meal. When I said that's not a law, we were asked to leave.

Except it is the law. Has to have the form of a substantial meal

antimatterx · 18-07-2020 5:53pm

L1011 wrote: »

Except it is the law. Has to have the form of a substantial meal

OK, but there was no food at any table.

Inquitus · 18-07-2020 6:05pm

antimatterx wrote: »

OK, but there was no food at any table.

That's because they are not following the rules, and shame on them!

L1011 · 18-07-2020 7:07pm

antimatterx wrote: »

OK, but there was no food at any table.

They may have eaten already. So far we only know that you refused to comply with the law

ongarboy · 18-07-2020 11:58pm

I was walking down Camden Street/Portobello area yesterday around 5pm and there seemed to be a lot of pubs with people drinking at the outdoor tables but no food with it. Fine, if the meals were still being prepared but the fact not one table had food seemed a bit suspect!

maebee · 19-07-2020 1:04am

Son No.1 and his mate were on Inish Mór yesterday for a day's fishing. When the fishing ended, they headed for the pub. They couldn't get near it. Crowds inside. No distancing whatsoever. Full of Americans, Spanish and French. Unbelievable.

feargale · 19-07-2020 1:18am

maebee wrote: »

Son No.1 and his mate were on Inish Mór yesterday for a day's fishing. When the fishing ended, they headed for the pub. They couldn't get near it. Crowds inside. No distancing whatsoever. Full of Americans, Spanish and French. Unbelievable.

And some people wonder why the numbers are rising again. There have been idiots on boards.ie bragging about breaking the law. Better to take the medicine now and suffer than have a return and be destroyed,

maebee · 19-07-2020 1:25am

feargale wrote: »

And some people wonder why the numbers are rising again. There have been idiots on boards.ie bragging about breaking the law. Better to take the medicine now and suffervthan have a return and be destroyed,

?? I was trying to make the point that a pub on an island (of all places) was not observing the distancing guide.

Wishbone Ash · 19-07-2020 7:39am

Heres Johnny wrote: »

.....So did I on Saturday and it was great craic.....

Many of us are working long hours on the front line trying to keep this virus away yet you're happy to brag that you went on an all day session in a pub. Would the 'craic' be so great if your partner, child, parent etc. died because of your stupidity? Take your head out of the sand and show a bit of responsibility and maturity.

maebee wrote: »

?? I was trying to make the point that a pub on an island (of all places) was not observing the distancing guide.

All pubs here are on an island! (Sorry, I couldn't resist!)

zerosugarbuzz · 19-07-2020 7:59am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Many of us are working long hours on the front line trying to keep this virus away yet you're happy to brag that you went on an all day session in a pub. Would the 'craic' be so great if your partner, child, parent etc. died because of your stupidity? Take your head out of the sand and show a bit of responsibility and maturity.

All pubs here are on an island! (Sorry, I couldn't resist!)

The problem is none of us are seeing any signs of the virus in the community so people are getting back to normal life. The time for wearing masks was at the beginning of the pandemic imo not now. I myself have zero interest in the pub but I certainly don’t blame anyone for pushing to get back to normal. The entire thing is blown out of proportion at this point.

Pkiernan · 19-07-2020 8:02am

maebee wrote: »

Son No.1 and his mate were on Inish Mór yesterday for a day's fishing. When the fishing ended, they headed for the pub. They couldn't get near it. Crowds inside. No distancing whatsoever. Full of Americans, Spanish and French. Unbelievable.

It was the Irish pub owner most at fault.

Wishbone Ash · 19-07-2020 8:23am

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

The problem is none of us are seeing any signs of the virus in the community...

The daily statistics are widely available.

...The time for wearing masks was at the beginning of the pandemic imo not now.....

True, but there was a huge shortage and priority was given to frontline workers.

...The entire thing is blown out of proportion.....

That what the presidents of the USA and Brazil said too.

malinheader · 19-07-2020 8:24am

Sorry to say that the whole social distance thing goes out the window when people gather for a meal and a few drinks. Its also impossible for management or staff
of a place to be expected to make sure that this is policed. Only a matter of time before were back to a shut down.

Wishbone Ash · 19-07-2020 8:40am

malinheader wrote: »

.... Its also impossible for management or staff
of a place to be expected to make sure that this is policed....

It's not at all impossible - just not financially viable for them. Limit numbers and place staff at door (like shops do) and have a 'one out/one in' system.

malinheader · 19-07-2020 8:43am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

It's not at all impossible - just not financially viable for them. Limit numbers and place staff at door (like shops do) and have a 'one out/one in' system.

Big big difference in shopping and socialising. And socialising what you are doing when you're out for a few drinks

Hannibal36 · 19-07-2020 8:48am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

It's not at all impossible - just not financially viable for them. Limit numbers and place staff at door (like shops do) and have a 'one out/one in' system.

Or better yet,every pub just run a daily BLM protest and then they won't have to adhere to any of these regulations,problem solved.

Duke of Url · 19-07-2020 8:58am

If pubs can not implement health and safety protocols then close them all. Every other industry that opened with the same type of protocols in relation to social distancing, limited numbers and so on which drove the curve down. Sure even restaurants are able to implement a clear process to keep people safe with bookings and limited numbers.

Pubs cant do any of this as for every pint a person drinks, this increase in impaired judgement could effect a high number of other individuals within the pub.

Wishbone Ash · 19-07-2020 10:04am

malinheader wrote: »

Big big difference in shopping and socialising. And socialising what you are doing when you're out for a few drinks

You have 105 minutes and must have a substantial meal. Do you really think that those abiding by the guidelines will get drunk in that time?

You can shop without any time limit.

malinheader · 19-07-2020 10:17am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

You have 105 minutes and must have a substantial meal. Do you really think that those abiding by the guidelines will get drunk in that time?

You can shop without any time limit.

Who mentioned getting drunk. We are told our judgement is impaired for driving after half a pint or less so how much is our judgement impaired after 3 or 4 pints or a bottle of wine which is easily doable in that time. And do you honestly think every one is going out for the food.

Wishbone Ash · 19-07-2020 10:37am

malinheader wrote: »

Who mentioned getting drunk. We are told our judgement is impaired for driving after half a pint or less so how much is our judgement impaired after 3 or 4 pints or a bottle of wine which is easily doable in that time.

It's supposed to be table service only. People are unlikely to be going over to mix with people at other tables. If I have a bottle of wine in a restaurant, I remain at my table.

...And do you honestly think every one is going out for the food.

No, of course not. But they are supposed to purchase a substantial meal in order to be served alcohol. Some pubs and customers are not abiding by that. That is the point of the thread.

Joe Kane · 19-07-2020 10:45am

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Are you a disgruntled wife or something?

So did I on Saturday and it was great craic. Report it to the police if you feel so strongly and go into pub too and complain to management. No point giving out here.

How ye lads, I'm Johnny and I don't give two sh1tes about any virus, I'll drink me 40 pints, boi

malinheader · 19-07-2020 10:54am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

It's supposed to be table service only. People are unlikely to be going over to mix with people at other tables. If I have a bottle of wine in a restaurant, I remain at my table.

No, of course not. But they are supposed to purchase a substantial meal in order to be served alcohol. Some pubs and customers are not abiding by that. That is the point of the thread.

Where alcohol is involved the guidelines are going to be hard to implement and this is why I think its only a matter of time before they are shut down again .

zerosugarbuzz · 19-07-2020 11:04am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The daily statistics are widely available.

True, but there was a huge shortage and priority was given to frontline workers.

That what the presidents of the USA and Brazil said too.

The daily statistics are bound to increase with the use of the app and the push to test people with any symptoms at all these days. Unlike the early days when you could't get a test unless you had ALL of the symptoms simultaneously.

How many deaths in USA and Brazil in people under 80 without underlying conditions? I'll answer that, very very few...

BringBackMick · 19-07-2020 11:15am

I think this is very unfair on Gibneys

Was in there over last few weeks, had to book, menu given on sit down. Table service, you order drink and food and the tables are distanced.

Of course they arent forcing you to spend 9 euro on a meal or that but it is really half personal reponsibility and half the pubs.

Got some food and 3 guinness and was out in around 2hrs.. Most other looked to be doing the same...

those saying they see only drinks on tables, it take only about 20mins to have your food and and will be removed quickly as service tends to be decent

JoChervil · 19-07-2020 11:29am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

You have 105 minutes and must have a substantial meal. Do you really think that those abiding by the guidelines will get drunk in that time?

You can shop without any time limit.

Shopping is not enjoyable, so people don't prolong it unnecessary. It is self limiting. Show me one person, who do shopping for more than 105 minutes...

Wishbone Ash · 19-07-2020 11:31am

BringBackMick wrote: »

...Of course they arent forcing you to spend 9 euro on a meal or that but it is really half personal reponsibility and half the pubs...

The head of the VFI said recently that he wants 'the book thrown' at any members not strictly abiding by the guidelines. Regardless of the responsibility of customer, the publican has full responsibility to abide by the guidelines.

BringBackMick · 19-07-2020 12:41pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The head of the VFI said recently that he wants 'the book thrown' at any members not strictly abiding by the guidelines. Regardless of the responsibility of customer, the publican has full responsibility to abide by the guidelines.

You have to buy food but why the hell does food have to be 9 euro.

Could be a soup and sambo deal for 5 or 6 or sharing a platter for 12,14 euro.

It is guidance and people need to be sensible and not so binary.

Wishbone Ash · 19-07-2020 2:02pm

BringBackMick wrote: »

You have to buy food but why the hell does food have to be 9 euro....

Very simple reasons:

1. It prevents people from ordering inexpensive food just to obtain alcohol. People are less likely to 'waste' €9+ whereas they might be willing to do so for €2.

2. If people were allowed to purchase a small amount of food, there's nothing to stop them from doing a pub crawl and ordering a sandwich in each pub.

3. It makes pubs operate like restaurants where you sit at a table and be served - not lining up along a counter.

4. There's nothing to stop you from ordering a soup/sandwich - you just won't be able to get alcohol with it.

Wishbone Ash · 19-07-2020 4:20pm

JoChervil wrote: »

.. Show me one person, who do shopping for more than 105 minutes...

Are you serious? My wife would happily shop for 105 hours.

feargale · 20-07-2020 8:03pm

maebee wrote: »

?? I was trying to make the point that a pub on an island (of all places) was not observing the distancing guide.

I wasn't criticising you or your son. I was referring to the situation you described,

odyssey06 · 20-07-2020 8:17pm

BringBackMick wrote: »

You have to buy food but why the hell does food have to be 9 euro.
Could be a soup and sambo deal for 5 or 6 or sharing a platter for 12,14 euro.
It is guidance and people need to be sensible and not so binary.

Laws are binary and 9 euros is the updated value of a substantial meal from licensing legislation in the 60s.
In Florida they only allowed bars to open that derived at least 50% of their revenue from food.
We have to set the filter at a certain level just as we set it at a somewhat arbitrary age for legal drinking or driving.

L1011 · 20-07-2020 8:45pm

If they updated to the same baseline as the last two updates did; it'd be ~€11 now. Oddly enough I think that'd probably have convinced people a bit more!

I've seen a few pubs thinking that €9 including the pint is OK; one on Saturday was €12 for a main course including a pint. Could be argued that it was a very cheap pint.

Pubs not following Government Guidance

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