Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Funny that, because he did get MotM, and deservedly so.

He took the ball flat to the line repeatedly and the width on his passing really brought the wingers into play. Yeah, a handful of balls hit the deck in the first half, but that's going to happen when you're trying to push the play.

He also made a super hit on the Bulls lock just before the half when they were really threatening, and a Bulls try might have completed changed the complexion of the rest of the game.

Based on what? Your opinion that his decision making was tentative?

I'm providing examples of why I'm saying he wasn't, but you're just giving your opinion without backing it up (which is hardly a first).

His decision making in attack was more often than not the right option. There were numerous extensive passages in the second half where he was repeatedly changing the angle of the play and stretching the Bulls defence around, making it impossible for the Bulls to accurately read and resource rucks; this was the major factor in why the Munster forwards had a relatively easy time of it generating quick ruck ball.

Oh okay so, no actual specific examples, just what you saw.

I don't know what you're talking about with your re-reg shite, that's not the case with me at all. I've never had an account banned from this place or anything like that.

You're the one who felt the need to argue with me, by taking exception to a point I made. I said, for one of the first times since he went to Munster, he didn't look tentative in attack. Looked to be coming onto the ball, putting players into space, and playing with some confidence for the first time in a long time. Gave the example that Munster's quick ruck ball as evidence of this.

You countered this, by just asserting, multiple times, that you, someone who has posted nearly 20,000 times on an internet forum, did think he was tentative, and that's that. And I'm the one debating in bad faith?

What does the fact I'm a Leinster fan have to do with the discussion we were having?

At what point did I bring Leinster/Munster issues into the discussion?

Specifically in this instance when I, the Leinster fan, was praising Munster, and the Munster fan, was the one criticising them?

What's your re-reg nonsense about then? You're the one trying to suggest repeatedly that I'm debating in bad faith.

Yeah, those things are factors, but I do think attacking shape generally is a major factor in quick ruck ball. Leinster at their best last season (the Toulouse semi), or Ireland in NZ demonstrated this perfectly. When you continually move the point of the attack, you're stretching the defence meaning the defence isn't in strong positions to contest the rucks, and the forward momentum makes clearing out that bit easier. Casey's tempo is entirely driven by how quick the ball is available and presented.

FWIW, I don't particularly care about whether Carbery was MotM or not; had it gone to Coombes or Beirne or whoever I wouldn't have objected. I thought he looked a lot better and more comfortable on Saturday night. All I said in my initial comment on him here was he looked to be playing with more confidence and was less tentative in his decision making. I still think Jack Crowley looks to be Munster's best option at 10, he has the best fundamentals in my view.