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Italian-style chipper in Cork?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Esho


    Great to know! I'll check them out.
    The one on McCurtain street was the worst bag of chips I've ever eaten ever- how did they manage to extract the flavour from them?

    After nearly a year in Cork, Dinos chips wins hands down for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    RINO87 wrote: »

    For a long time I had assumed C.F. Lennoxes was the same as the dodgy, crap, frozen chip Lennoxes that are on McCurtain St. and Ballincollig.

    I've brought this up before and I can't get to the bottom of it.

    I've had chips from Lennox's, McCurtain Street maybe 4 times over the last 4 or 5 years and every time they were fresh cut, "proper" chips. Each time I commented on how good the chips were - cooked properly - not the flaccid, pale chips that so many Irish chippers dish out. Really good quality. I know the difference between fresh cut and frozen chips.

    What I can't understand is why more than one poster here has mentioned the crap, frozen chips from Lennox's McCurtain Street.

    Do they change their chips regularly and I've always been lucky and been there when they have fresh cut chips?? Not very likely.

    To be honest, the only explanation I can come up with is a xenophobic/racist bias because the operators appear to be from the Middle East.

    I'd love for someone who has never been there before and who knows about food to go there, order chips and report back.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ..........
    I've had chips from Lennox's, McCurtain Street maybe 4 times over the last 4 or 5 years and every time they were fresh cut, "proper" chips. Each time I commented on how good the chips were - cooked properly - not the flaccid, pale chips that so many Irish chippers dish out. Really good quality. I know the difference between fresh cut and frozen chips......................

    I'd love for someone who has never been there before and who knows about food to go there, order chips and report back.

    I'd agree with you.
    I imagine folk say it's sh1te is because it's common enough knowledge that CF Lennox just "sold" the name to the folk who operate that shop.

    It's been a few years since I've had grub from McCurtain Street "Lennox" but the chips aren't "dodgy, crap, frozen chip Lennoxes that are on McCurtain St. and Ballincollig"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭PreCocious


    I've brought this up before and I can't get to the bottom of it.

    I've had chips from Lennox's, McCurtain Street maybe 4 times over the last 4 or 5 years and every time they were fresh cut, "proper" chips. Each time I commented on how good the chips were - cooked properly - not the flaccid, pale chips that so many Irish chippers dish out. Really good quality. I know the difference between fresh cut and frozen chips.

    What I can't understand is why more than one poster here has mentioned the crap, frozen chips from Lennox's McCurtain Street.

    Do they change their chips regularly and I've always been lucky and been there when they have fresh cut chips?? Not very likely.

    To be honest, the only explanation I can come up with is a xenophobic/racist bias because the operators appear to be from the Middle East.

    I'd love for someone who has never been there before and who knows about food to go there, order chips and report back.

    I've had chips there just the once. They were crap. Really disappointing especially with the name over the door which suggested a higher quality of chip than most places.

    It wasn't Xenophobia - I don't have a thing that only Cork people can cook chips (the Russian ladies in Denny's do a decent chip) - it was just poor quality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    PreCocious wrote: »
    I've had chips there just the once. They were crap. Really disappointing especially with the name over the door which suggested a higher quality of chip than most places.

    It wasn't Xenophobia - I don't have a thing that only Cork people can cook chips (the Russian ladies in Denny's do a decent chip) - it was just poor quality.

    I just can't get my head around why I have such a different experience to this chipper than others. I'm genuinely puzzled.
    How were the chips crap?


  • Registered Users Posts: 649 ✭✭✭DuffleBag


    https://lovin.ie/amp/news/feature/this-is-where-to-get-the-best-bag-of-chips-in-every-county-in-ireland

    Cork – Sorrento
    Midleton Street, Cobh
    AHHH, you thought we were going to say Lennox's, didn't you?
    People appeal for Sorrento's number so frequently in Facebook groups that they screenshotted one comment and put it on the side of their delivery van.
    Gas.
    And their chips are gorge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    DuffleBag wrote: »
    https://lovin.ie/amp/news/feature/this-is-where-to-get-the-best-bag-of-chips-in-every-county-in-ireland

    Cork – Sorrento
    Midleton Street, Cobh
    AHHH, you thought we were going to say Lennox's, didn't you?
    People appeal for Sorrento's number so frequently in Facebook groups that they screenshotted one comment and put it on the side of their delivery van.
    Gas.
    And their chips are gorge.

    That article also says that Supermacs have the best chips in Galway.
    Not so sure I trust a word of that article.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ........ you could argue Cobh isn't Cork anyway :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭RINO87



    To be honest, the only explanation I can come up with is a xenophobic/racist bias because the operators appear to be from the Middle East.

    I really don't know what to say to this... what nonsense. Fair enough we can disagree about trivial items such as chips, but to say there's a racial bias to liking one chipper over another? Really?!

    For what its worth I have not had chips from McCurtain st in over two years after being burned twice - both times with friends who were down in cork visiting and still slag me over it - We had a Supermacs knock off back home, and they compare it to that. Perhaps they have improved.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    RINO87 wrote: »
    I really don't know what to say to this... what nonsense. Fair enough we can disagree about trivial items such as chips, but to say there's a racial bias to liking one chipper over another? Really?!

    For what its worth I have not had chips from McCurtain st in over two years after being burned twice - both times with friends who were down in cork visiting and still slag me over it - We had a Supermacs knock off back home, and they compare it to that. Perhaps they have improved.

    But people aren't just expressing an opinion on whether or not they like the chips. More than one person (not just on this thread) claimed that they serve frozen chips, while, in my experience, this just isn't true.
    I'm trying to figure out why.
    There is an obvious bias against this chipper.
    I'm simply looking at reasons why this might be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭PreCocious


    I just can't get my head around why I have such a different experience to this chipper than others. I'm genuinely puzzled.
    How were the chips crap?

    They weren't lovely fat chips that we'd traditionally call "chipper chips". They were like what are often called frozen chips - the style they serve in Chinese takeaways or that we'd cook at home before McCains came along (a long time ago). Plus they didn't offer salt 'n' vinegar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    PreCocious wrote: »
    They weren't lovely fat chips that we'd traditionally call "chipper chips". They were like what are often called frozen chips - the style they serve in Chinese takeaways or that we'd cook at home before McCains came along (a long time ago). Plus they didn't offer salt 'n' vinegar.

    I must have been in a different chipper - every time.
    I guess we aren't going to get to the bottom of this here.
    It is rather interesting, to say the least.
    I'm glad that there's at least one other poster here who doesn't think I'm making this up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭RINO87


    You're hardly mixing up Lennox's and the Fish Wife on McCurtain St?
    When PreCocious mentioned not getting salt and vinegar that really stood out to me too, we had to ask for them and they came in little sachets.
    Chips were served in one of those white plastic trays with a plastic fork....

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/infomatique/37560316224

    they even have the "frozen" advertised with the "tuesday special" here.... 3 year old photo, i know


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RINO87 wrote: »
    ................

    they even have the "frozen" advertised with the "tuesday special" here.... 3 year old photo, i know

    It's an add not a photograph of their actual grub.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭sporina


    speaking of chip shops, my bro had fish and chips from the fish wife on grand parade the other day and he found the batter v v odd... v think and not at all good.. he later learnt that the people running it only took it over a short while ago.. guess that explains the poor quality fish..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    RINO87 wrote: »
    You're hardly mixing up Lennox's and the Fish Wife on McCurtain St?

    That would explain it alright but it's not the case.
    First time I went, there was a big queue in FW so I thought I'd chance Lennox's and was pleasantly surprised.


  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Esho



    To be honest, the only explanation I can come up with is a xenophobic/racist bias because the operators appear to be from the Middle East.

    I'd love for someone who has never been there before and who knows about food to go there, order chips and report back.

    Well, I just did!
    The chips looked really good, were not frozen, cooked well, but tasteless, without flavour.- mystifying to be honest.

    In terms of judging a place on the ethnicity of the owners....where to start with that? Especially in terms of take-out!!!!

    But as I Dub in Cork, I can understand why might think that way 😆


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,491 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    DuffleBag wrote: »
    https://lovin.ie/amp/news/feature/this-is-where-to-get-the-best-bag-of-chips-in-every-county-in-ireland

    Cork – Sorrento
    Midleton Street, Cobh
    AHHH, you thought we were going to say Lennox's, didn't you?
    People appeal for Sorrento's number so frequently in Facebook groups that they screenshotted one comment and put it on the side of their delivery van.
    Gas.
    And their chips are gorge.

    Well they ain't wrong anyway, lovely spot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    I honestly don't get the big midlands / Dublin obsession with "Italian style" chippers. I've tried a few of them, decent food mostly but not a patch on a decent traditional chipper.

    :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Esho wrote: »
    That is great!
    Thanks folks!

    I'll check them out, starting with one of them tonight. Nothing like a good bag of chips and a few frosty ones on a Friday evening :)

    Its true - the Italians who originally ran the chippers in Dublin all came from the same village outside of Rome.
    They charter a plane to fly back every Christmas - an Italian pal got a lift on it one year!

    Is KCs worth the queue do you reckon?

    KCs? FFS average to below average,,had Dino's last week Ballincollig,yum,,,,,Chi'sh n find Crosshaven a major disappointment, won't be back and used sing their praises, fish supper was awful , batter beyond crispy, chips hard / tasteless and cold, won't be back


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  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I honestly don't get the big midlands / Dublin obsession with "Italian style" chippers. I've tried a few of them, decent food mostly but not a patch on a decent traditional chipper.

    :confused:

    It's just what folk had growing up I reckon :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭bingo9999


    sporina wrote: »
    speaking of chip shops, my bro had fish and chips from the fish wife on grand parade the other day and he found the batter v v odd... v think and not at all good.. he later learnt that the people running it only took it over a short while ago.. guess that explains the poor quality fish..

    The Fish Wife closed on GP at the start of lockdown. Has opened as a new place called Seasalt, have to try but instagram pictures look tasty, thought they would


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I honestly don't get the big midlands / Dublin obsession with "Italian style" chippers. I've tried a few of them, decent food mostly but not a patch on a decent traditional chipper.

    :confused:

    Again I ask the question.
    What differentiates an Italian Irish chipper from an Irish Irish chipper? I have never appreciated any difference other than the origin of the operators.

    Lard/dripping/oil? Nope there is no pattern here.

    What do people think the difference is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Again I ask the question.
    What differentiates an Italian Irish chipper from an Irish Irish chipper? I have never appreciated any difference other than the origin of the operators.

    Lard/dripping/oil? Nope there is no pattern here.

    What do people think the difference is?

    I'm not sure to be honest. I think the difference is certain food items that you get in "Italian style" you don't in traditional chippers. I had food out of two places in Kildare years ago and they both did these manky saveloy yokes. Its like a hotdog sausage. Never seen it in any regular chipper in Cork. Also both places did "Italian style" icecream if I recall.

    Don't the Italian chippers often do pizzas as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭RINO87


    Again I ask the question.
    What differentiates an Italian Irish chipper from an Irish Irish chipper? I have never appreciated any difference other than the origin of the operators.

    Lard/dripping/oil? Nope there is no pattern here.

    What do people think the difference is?

    The saga rolls on! Ok we had it confirmed that lennoxes Mc curtain st dont have frozen chips but they are taste poor.... First thing that springs to mind is maybe they don't use beef dripping.
    What made me comment on how good C.F. Lennox Tory Top road was they definatley used beef dripping/lard. Thats all I can think of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    I've brought this up before and I can't get to the bottom of it.

    I've had chips from Lennox's, McCurtain Street maybe 4 times over the last 4 or 5 years and every time they were fresh cut, "proper" chips. Each time I commented on how good the chips were - cooked properly - not the flaccid, pale chips that so many Irish chippers dish out. Really good quality. I know the difference between fresh cut and frozen chips.

    What I can't understand is why more than one poster here has mentioned the crap, frozen chips from Lennox's McCurtain Street.

    Do they change their chips regularly and I've always been lucky and been there when they have fresh cut chips?? Not very likely.

    To be honest, the only explanation I can come up with is a xenophobic/racist bias because the operators appear to be from the Middle East.

    I'd love for someone who has never been there before and who knows about food to go there, order chips and report back.

    Genuinely, among the worst chips I have ever had, and I went there twice!

    This is really interesting though, I wanna solve this mystery


  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Esho


    Genuinely, among the worst chips I have ever had, and I went there twice!

    This is really interesting though, I wanna solve this mystery

    Maybe their buyer goes for whatever is on special with their suppliers - one week frozen, one week pre-cut nice, next week pre-cut not nice?? Cos it's fresh produce, prices can vary.


  • Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Esho


    Again I ask the question.
    What differentiates an Italian Irish chipper from an Irish Irish chipper? I have never appreciated any difference other than the origin of the operators.

    Lard/dripping/oil? Nope there is no pattern here.

    What do people think the difference is?

    Many of the "Italian" chippers use Silvio Rabbitte's produce, but I don't know what they cook the chips in. I'll ask them the next time I'm there- I'm curious now too!!!
    The best chips are precooked before they are deep fried, so I reckon they must do that.

    The Golden Fry's chips are good quality, but just don't have that extra tastiness of "Italian" ones IMO. Maybe that's the diff


  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Munstersrebel


    Chips meh. What I miss is a proper frituur if one (re) opened and ye food conservatives 'd try you would realise how silly yer chips are... Twice fried golden crispy fries... Topped with stoofvlees sauce (beef stew) ooih sooooooo goood


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭PreCocious


    KCs? FFS average to below average,,had Dino's last week Ballincollig,yum,,,,,Chi'sh n find Crosshaven a major disappointment, won't be back and used sing their praises, fish supper was awful , batter beyond crispy, chips hard / tasteless and cold, won't be back

    All the talk about chips gave me a hankering for them so we went out to Crosshaven this evening. Had a walk around and then fish and chips from Chish n Fips.

    The chips were really good, fresh, hot and tasty. Had fish goujons which were really just smaller pieces of fillet (yay) rather than glorified fish fingers. They too were very good. Lovely crisp thin batter made them not greasy. Place was doing a roaring trade.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Esho wrote: »
    The best chips are precooked before they are deep fried, so I reckon they must do that.

    This is standard practice in all chippers (traditional style chippers, that is).
    Chips are cooked in oil at a lower temperature, drained and allowed to cool.
    The chips are then crisped and finished in hotter oil to serve. That's just how it's done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Chips meh. What I miss is a proper frituur if one (re) opened and ye food conservatives 'd try you would realise how silly yer chips are... Twice fried golden crispy fries... Topped with stoofvlees sauce (beef stew) ooih sooooooo goood

    I love Belgian and Dutch chips.
    They cut them a bit thinner and the second frying seems to be hotter than is typical here.
    They certainly can do chips there, although I don't get the fascination with the array of multicoloured, mayonnaise based sauces that they seem to love with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Esho wrote: »
    Maybe their buyer goes for whatever is on special with their suppliers - one week frozen, one week pre-cut nice, next week pre-cut not nice?? Cos it's fresh produce, prices can vary.

    This is a possible explanation.

    I also wonder if it's a case where if some people, for whatever reason, don't like their chips, they just, erroneously, dismiss them as frozen?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,519 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    It's funny, Italians with probably the best food in the world, emigrate to UK and Irl to open junk food outlets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 Usir


    Palm oil versus beef dripping

    Beef dripping?? thats a new one for me, never heard of it. What is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,411 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Usir wrote: »
    Beef dripping?? thats a new one for me, never heard of it. What is it?

    Delicious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Usir wrote: »
    Beef dripping?? thats a new one for me, never heard of it. What is it?

    It's just rendered beef fat.
    It's what all chippers would have used at one time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,411 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    It's just rendered beef fat.
    It's what all chippers would have used at one time.

    And lots of mums in the chip pan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    RINO87 wrote: »
    The saga rolls on! Ok we had it confirmed that lennoxes Mc curtain st dont have frozen chips but they are taste poor.... First thing that springs to mind is maybe they don't use beef dripping.
    What made me comment on how good C.F. Lennox Tory Top road was they definatley used beef dripping/lard. Thats all I can think of.

    Tory to road Lennoxs have decent chips,and give massive amounts


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭xabi


    So which Lennox is the best? Jackie or CF?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    Has anyone confirmed that any of the chippers in Cork actually use beef (or other animal) dripping for frying? Or is it just speculation? It makes an unhealthy dish even less healthy, and with vegetarian/vegan considerations these days I imagine less would be inclined to use it for cooking vegetables.

    I'm not sure it's the magic ingredient that some claim it to be...

    I saw someone earlier claim the Golden Fry have it inside, but I've only ever seen bags of spuds and boxes of some sort of cooking oil there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,161 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Has anyone confirmed that any of the chippers in Cork actually use beef (or other animal) dripping for frying? Or is it just speculation? It makes an unhealthy dish even less healthy, and with vegetarian/vegan considerations these days I imagine less would be inclined to use it for cooking vegetables.

    I'm not sure it's the magic ingredient that some claim it to be...

    I saw someone earlier claim the Golden Fry have it inside, but I've only ever seen bags of spuds and boxes of some sort of cooking oil there.

    They're closed now, but Looney's in Blackpool definitely used beef dripping. I saw the boxes, clearly marked behind the counter. I even had a chat with the owner about it - he told me that they used to render their own but didn't really have the facilities to do it efficiently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,638 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    Not sure if they're the same owners, but I found Looney's of Mayfield unremarkable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Sorrento in Cobh is savage. I got the porchetta in a pitta with chips there before, really good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    xabi wrote: »
    So which Lennox is the best? Jackie or CF?
    Jackies of course.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    Jackie Lennoxes was always beef dripping when lads i knew worked there pre 2010 . I dont know anyone working there now but i doubt they have changed, beef dripping gives good flavour and has a very high smoke point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Flesh Gorden


    Only the Chinese restaurants use sunflower oil for their frozen 3in1 chips.
    Beef Dripping is standard practice for chipper chips and long may it be.

    I worked in a chipper as a teen, made many bins of them.
    All skinned and chipped fresh into 100KG bins.

    Maris Piper are the usual breed, big 25KG bags.
    Then there was an MSG type preservative thrown on top during the wash, made them saltier as well as keeping them from going off.

    Blanched and then cooked proper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    roundymac wrote: »
    Jackies of course.

    Hit and mostly miss


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    They're closed now, but Looney's in Blackpool definitely used beef dripping. I saw the boxes, clearly marked behind the counter. I even had a chat with the owner about it - he told me that they used to render their own but didn't really have the facilities to do it efficiently.[/quot. ,decent chips at the time


  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Munstersrebel


    Does anyone know why the Fishwife closed so suddenly, (a lil while ago)?



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