Impact of Luas Cross City

LeinsterDub · 03-07-2017 10:47am #1

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/luas-may-make-areas-of-dublin-inaccessible-to-cyclists-1.3141052

This report doesn't make for good reading from a cycling point of view.

Busy areas of Dublin city such as Henry Street may become virtually inaccessible to cyclists when Luas Cross City starts operating, according to a National Transport Authority (NTA) draft report.
The NTA has assessed the possibility for cycling along the new Luas corridor and concluded that substantial areas of the city would become largely inaccessible to cyclists unless interventions were made at certain points.
The report also says that areas including parts of St Stephen’s Green, Nassau Street, Lower Grafton Street, O’Connell Street, Parnell Street and Dominick Street will end up being completely off-limits to cyclists when the new line becomes operational.....

The fact they've had 10 years to consider the impact on cycling and now it's a dash to the finish line is a disgrace.

tomasrojo · 03-07-2017 11:42am

These problems have been in the public realm for quite a while. irishcycle.com covered them in some detail last year, I think. No effort has been made to facilitate cycling.

Funnily enough, cycling is more important, not just than the Luas, but than rail in total, according to recent data. 50% higher modal share.
https://twitter.com/HanneyDP/status/881529097666654209

That's nationally. Not sure what restricting focus to Dublin would do: both rail and cycling would be a bigger proportion.

ED E · 03-07-2017 12:50pm

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LAW SUIT!

OleRodrigo · 03-07-2017 12:57pm

A couple of signs placed around warning motorists to give enough space and cyclists to be careful of the tracks, should be enough.

When you have made a journey once its straightforward to repeat.

carltonleon · 03-07-2017 1:00pm

It will be a nightmare.

If you are travelling from GPO up past the Rotunda you have to cross 4 different set of tracks including 2 that will run almost parallel to you. It is going to be very dangerous in the wet when the LUAS is running. It's awkward enough now as it is with the cars

tomasrojo · 03-07-2017 2:30pm

I thought it was interesting in the IT article that it was mentioned that if they don't provide a usable route for cyclists, cyclists will make their own route from what's available, and to the detriment of pedestrians, or whoever. It's a good point, I think. It's easier to create something that induces desired behaviour in the first place than try to punish undesired behaviour into perpetuity.

ED E · 03-07-2017 3:05pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

I thought it was interesting in the IT article that it was mentioned that if they don't provide a usable route for cyclists, cyclists will make their own route from what's available, and to the detriment of pedestrians, or whoever. It's a good point, I think. It's easier to create something that induces desired behaviour in the first place than try to punish undesired behaviour into perpetuity.

The Finns manage it pretty well, bit beyond DCC.

Mercian Pro · 07-07-2017 9:05am

Cian Ginty's excellent summary and analysis of the draft NTA report is at http://irishcycle.com/2017/07/06/cycling-and-luas-cross-city-report-to-be-finalised-next-month/#comments
I am not sure if many of the thousands of commuter cyclists who regularly cross the city centre realise how many restrictions are proposed in this report. These include whole sections of road that will be closed to cycling, use of box turns at junctions where presumably you will have to pull into the left and wait for lights to change before turning right, and use of bike pelican crossings at other junctions. No doubt many cyclists will find ways of ignoring these restrictions but, if they do, will have no basis for a claim if they seriously injure themselves on the tracks.
This is my comment on IrishCycle.com:
"What an unmitigated disaster, but why am I surprised? If you allow the designers of the Cross City route to totally ignore the needs of cyclists, if the NTA fail to represent those needs at the design consultation stage and if you only consider those needs when the route is laid and cast in concrete, of course you will end up with a report that recommends closing off major through routes for cyclists in the city centre.
I had foolishly thought that cycling was now recognised as a significant mode of transport in Dublin but this debacle clearly indicates we are at the bottom of the pile and only tolerated if we don’t get in the way."

CramCycle · 07-07-2017 9:20am

ED E wrote: »

The Finns manage it pretty well, bit beyond DCC.

Reminds me of the LUAS bridge in Dundrum. There is a back and forth path at the Joe Daly side of the bridge. Maybe 15m in total, whereas, they could have made a 3m one straight to the road. The desire line appeared within a week or two of it being opened.

Annie get your Run · 07-07-2017 9:22am

Is it too late to still do something about it? I can't understand why they didn't (and possibly still could?) build a cycle track alongside the Luas, in particular down the quays. I walked in that way this morning on a beautiful quiet road while the usual chaos and mayhem ensued on the Quays parallel to me. It's baffling. The argument about not upsetting motorists wouldn't come into it as you're already re-routing them for the Luas. What is wrong with the city planners/engineers and designers in this country?!! Surely some of them cycle or have family members that cycle?!

tomasrojo · 07-07-2017 9:47am

I guess if everyone else is treating cycling as an afterthought in organisations, it takes an unusually strong-minded person to counter that.

The way I see it (with no professional insight at all, so might well be wrong) is that if you look as if you're inconveniencing public transport or private motorised transport, you will face hostility from both your colleagues and the affected parties. If you inconvenience cyclists and pedestrians, you will face a lot less pushback, and in your mind you can dismiss it as the ravings of a bunch of dirty/well-meaning hippies.

IrishLad90 · 07-07-2017 9:47am

This new Luas line shall be absolute chaos, it can be dodgy enough walking acrss roads in that part of town and these lines are proving a serious threat to ppl, BUT as a cyclist crossing them is a dreaded experience, dont get me wrong its gas craic stood at a stop and some lad comes off at a slow pace (no one injured) due to the fact its one road to not go down..
It has happened to me (unNoticed i hope)
My issue withall these changes will come in when they try to cross cyclists from the inside of the quay storefronts over onto the boardwalk and then back again 2 sets of traffic lights up :O

Leroy42 · 07-07-2017 9:58am

SUrely it is not beyond the wit of man to come up with a solution to open train tracks on the road?

As the Luas moves pretty slowly it shouldn't be that difficult.

The traffic issues we will get used to. They manage in other cities mixing trams and bikes and cars etc, no reason why it can't be achieved here.

From my limited, and totally unprofessional viewpoint, it seems that they could have made things easier, but then there are such a myriad of issues to deal with I am sure for every change in route etc that would throw up similar problems

tomasrojo · 07-07-2017 10:07am

I think even from a limited point of view (didn't attend design meetings, am not a civil engineer or town planner, etc.) it's pretty clear what happened. They didn't factor in cycling at all. And it's a deliberate omission (they were made aware several years ago of the trouble the cross-city works would cause if they proceeded as planned, and there is a substantial corpus of work existing on how to accommodate cyclists that they could have consulted).

They just didn't want to trouble their beautiful minds.

OleRodrigo · 07-07-2017 3:16pm

Today I rode right on to Eden Quay from O'Connell St bridge, followed around on to Parnell Street, turned on to Parnell Square West by the Rotunda and went down Dominick Street. There are no issues at any point that weren't there with the first Luas tracks.

Honestly, I don't know what all the fuss is about.

I'd imagine cycling is an afterthought - if that is the case, I don't see any evidence to that effect - because prioritizing public transport is a sound strategy to reduce motor traffic. Prioritizing cycling over public transport is about as realistic as wishing for world peace.

Weepsie · 07-07-2017 3:22pm

OleRodrigo wrote: »

Today I rode right on to Eden Quay from O'Connell St bridge, followed around on to Parnell Street, turned on to Parnell Square West by the Rotunda and went down Dominick Street. There are no issues at any point that weren't there with the first Luas tracks.

Honestly, I don't know what all the fuss is about.

I'd imagine cycling is an afterthought - if that is the case, I don't see any evidence to that effect - because prioritizing public transport is a sound strategy to reduce motor traffic. Prioritizing cycling over public transport is about as realistic as wishing for world peace.

It's not that it should be prioritized, rather it should have been included and heavily. It should always be included, because when it's added in much later it costs a hell of a lot more.

Similar to cross city, so what if businesses objected, the cost would have been significantly lower over all had cross city been done first time around, or if it was done as a circular route serving the city centre with linear routes to serve suburbs etc.

It's the complete and utter lack of joined in thinking that is commonplace in Irish planning.

That and there are very basic, and not too costly methods of making the tram lines much safer to cross as has been done in numerous places all over the world.

tomasrojo · 07-07-2017 3:35pm

What usually happens when cycling is neglected is it means both walking and cycling are made worse; either by officially encouraging to use or unofficially tolerating cyclists using pedestrian routes.

Funnily enough, the chair of the UK Road Danger Reduction Forum has explicitly said on a number of occasions that the Netherlands encourages cycling over public transport. It was in the context of reducing car journeys; he was arguing that increases in cycling in NL were likely to reduce public-transport journeys rather than private-car journeys.

buffalo · 07-07-2017 5:55pm

Some good things happening amidst the chaos: http://www.cycledublin.ie/blog/index.php/2017/07/new-segregated-cycle-track-at-college-green/

Now, who wants to start the pool for first pic of a taxi stopped in it?

uck51js9zml2yt · 07-07-2017 7:47pm

I cycle down o Connelly at every morning and then over the bridge between the quays and Hawkins st. Go back over o Connelly bridge and up Parnell sq.
A bit of careful cycling and it's doable with all the road works. Shouldn't be any worse with the luas running.
Would prefer not to be wrecking my wheels crossing tracksbut it's faster than driving into work.

Mercian Pro · 07-07-2017 8:04pm

OleRodrigo wrote: »

Honestly, I don't know what all the fuss is about.

The fuss is not about the current situation which is bad enough but about the restrictions on cycling being considered by the NTA as a result of cyclists not being considered or consulted when the Cross City route was being designed. Have a read of the draft report at http://irishcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/LCC_Cycling_Report_Final_Draft.pdf
Much of the limited route you describe will no longer be possible if this plan is not successfully opposed.

Slydice · 07-07-2017 8:14pm

buffalo wrote: »

Some good things happening amidst the chaos: http://www.cycledublin.ie/blog/index.php/2017/07/new-segregated-cycle-track-at-college-green/

Now, who wants to start the pool for first pic of a taxi stopped in it?

I cycled on it.

I swear the experience was so refreshing... even if only 30 seconds max!

I had to turn around and just say how great it felt to another cyclist who was stopped at the traffic lights at the end. He agreed!

Arcade_Tryer · 08-07-2017 2:54pm

Mercian Pro wrote: »

The fuss is not about the current situation which is bad enough but about the restrictions on cycling being considered by the NTA as a result of cyclists not being considered or consulted when the Cross City route was being designed. Have a read of the draft report at http://irishcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/LCC_Cycling_Report_Final_Draft.pdf
Much of the limited route you describe will no longer be possible if this plan is not successfully opposed.

NTA - "Get off the road! Cyclists don't even pay road tax!"

OleRodrigo · 08-07-2017 9:48pm

Weepsie wrote: »

with linear routes to serve suburbs etc.

It's the complete and utter lack of joined in thinking that is commonplace in Irish planning.

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As the fella says, for every inefficiency in public administration there's a cushy job with a comfortable pension

OleRodrigo · 08-07-2017 10:08pm

Mercian Pro wrote: »

The fuss is not about the current situation which is bad enough but about the restrictions on cycling being considered by the NTA as a result of cyclists not being considered or consulted when the Cross City route was being designed. Have a read of the draft report at http://irishcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/LCC_Cycling_Report_Final_Draft.pdf
Much of the limited route you describe will no longer be possible if this plan is not successfully opposed.

I don't see that as a problem. Rerouting from Marlborough St or Dominick Street isn't a significant change of direction. They aren't proposing to make drastic changes from what I can see.

Likewise for Dawson St - nobody could go down it for quite a while anyway. They still managed to ride across the centre by detouring on to Georges Street around the back of the College of Surgeons, or cutting across to Merrion Sq and on to Pearse St.

Once there remains a route through the centre cyclists will adapt.

Kaisr Sose · 08-07-2017 10:27pm

The new cycle lane opened sometime Friday. Can't wait to try it. No more busses and taxis (generally) trying to squeeze through on the bend - even though the likelihood is they have to stop at beginning of Westmoreland St or at the Quays.

OleRodrigo · 08-07-2017 10:29pm

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

The new cycle lane opened sometime Friday. Can't wait to try it. No more busses and taxis (generally) trying to squeeze through on the bend - even though the likelihood is they have to stop at beginning of Westmoreland St or at the Quays.

I came down it earlier. It was full of drunks who couldn't/ wouldn't walk on the path.

Kaisr Sose · 08-07-2017 11:21pm

OleRodrigo wrote: »

I came down it earlier. It was full of drunks who couldn't/ wouldn't walk on the path.

Only in Ireland!! might even become a sulkie track too

Mercian Pro · 09-07-2017 9:43am

Weepsie wrote: »

That and there are very basic, and not too costly methods of making the tram lines much safer to cross as has been done in numerous places all over the world.

Examples?

I checked out flange fillers a few years ago and couldn't find any example where they successfully worked. Both Goodyear and a Swiss company had developed products but they were shredded by the weight of the trams. If there is a product that last more than a few weeks, it would be good to know.

Kaisr Sose · 09-07-2017 12:36pm

Having worked in a Swiss city that had loads of cyclists and tram lines, I seen no devices fitted that made them easier to cross.

OleRodrigo · 09-07-2017 1:18pm

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Only in Ireland!! might even become a sulkie track too

Might have been the warm weather and the Coldplay concert but it does highlight the problem with separated cycling paths in Ireland; if its possible to skate, walk, loiter, park, dog walk, lie down in a drunken sprawl, stop and have a chat, RLJ or jog in it - people will.

tomasrojo · 09-07-2017 2:15pm

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Having worked in a Swiss city that had loads of cyclists and tram lines, I seen no devices fitted that made them easier to cross.

Yeah, I worked in Basel, admittedly a long time ago, and I don't recall any devices like that. You weren't directed across the tracks at oblique angles though, as far as I recall.

I'm willing to believe that the decision against using the track fillers was in good faith, and that they aren't really used much anywhere else. It does sound plausible.

Crow92 · 09-07-2017 2:51pm

Sitting at the gates of trinity, saw a tourist on a dublin bike get her wheel jammed at the tracks right in front of the gates and fell over on the tracks. Nice fine weather, lucky there was no traffic behind her; could of been worse.

Skatedude · 09-07-2017 3:21pm

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

NTA - "Get off the road! Cyclists don't even pay road tax!"

They pay the same road tax as the rest of us.

Lambay island · 10-07-2017 10:25am

Slydice wrote: »

I cycled on it.

I swear the experience was so refreshing... even if only 30 seconds max!

I had to turn around and just say how great it felt to another cyclist who was stopped at the traffic lights at the end. He agreed!

First time cycling this morning on this. Yes have to agree even for those 30 seconds its is very refreshing and you feel protected. The only issue I had is due to pedestrian lights been red, I pedaled off the same time as a bus and I want to filter over to the far right lane to go down north quays and he wants to come over to the left to a bus stop. Missed opportunity not trialing a flashing amber for cyclists.

buffalo · 10-07-2017 11:18am

Lambay island wrote: »

First time cycling this morning on this. Yes have to agree even for those 30 seconds its is very refreshing and you feel protected. The only issue I had is due to pedestrian lights been red, I pedaled off the same time as a bus and I want to filter over to the far right lane to go down north quays and he wants to come over to the left to a bus stop. Missed opportunity not trialing a flashing amber for cyclists.

Completely agree - it's the perfect place to have an advance green for cyclists ahead of motor traffic. Give people 30sec to clear the bus stop area and get in lane.

OleRodrigo · 10-07-2017 3:03pm

^ Disagree.

- 30 seconds will significantly delay and backup traffic coming from both junction entries: Pearse St and College Green.

- You cant assume that every cyclist will efficiently use the opportunity provided. In that case you are trading the efficiency of a moving bus for the inefficiency of a hapless Dublin Biker/flappy hi viz commuter.

- Its not a huge inconvenience to move across a lane of slow moving traffic to get in position to turn right on the Quays. There's plenty of space and distance once traffic isn't accelerating fast at the lights.

buffalo · 10-07-2017 4:25pm

OleRodrigo wrote: »

^ Disagree.

- 30 seconds will significantly delay and backup traffic coming from both junction entries: Pearse St and College Green.

- You cant assume that every cyclist will efficiently use the opportunity provided. In that case you are trading the efficiency of a moving bus for the inefficiency of a hapless Dublin Biker/flappy hi viz commuter.

- Its not a huge inconvenience to move across a lane of slow moving traffic to get in position to turn right on the Quays. There's plenty of space and distance once traffic isn't accelerating fast at the lights.

I don't think it's the speed of the double-decker busses that's the issue, more the space conflict. I wouldn't look at it in terms of efficiency and more safety. Do you want that "flappy hi viz commuter" (who is a human being who deserves to be protected) to be on the left-hand side of the bus moving to the left, or do you want him/her to be in front of that bus?

Perhaps 30" is too much, I'll leave that to the traffic engineers.

edit: I confess, I forgot in my first post that with the Luas line, the road isn't as wide as it used to be.

tomasrojo · 10-07-2017 4:28pm

There is a certain contradiction there though:

OleRodrigo wrote: »

- You cant assume that every cyclist will efficiently use the opportunity provided. In that case you are trading the efficiency of a moving bus for the inefficiency of a hapless Dublin Biker/flappy hi viz commuter.

versus

OleRodrigo wrote: »

- Its not a huge inconvenience to move across a lane of slow moving traffic to get in position to turn right on the Quays. There's plenty of space and distance once traffic isn't accelerating fast at the lights.

It's really not all that easy for the "hapless" to take the lane multiple times and do life-saver shoulder-checks and lane negotiations, given that in the first part of the post they can't even be trusted to start cycling when a light turns green.

OleRodrigo · 10-07-2017 5:03pm

buffalo wrote: »

I don't think it's the speed of the double-decker busses that's the issue, more the space conflict. I wouldn't look at it in terms of efficiency and more safety. Do you want that "flappy hi viz commuter" (who is a human being who deserves to be protected) to be on the left-hand side of the bus moving to the left, or do you want him/her to be in front of that bus?

Perhaps 30" is too much, I'll leave that to the traffic engineers.

edit: I confess, I forgot in my first post that with the Luas line, the road isn't as wide as it used to be.

tomasrojo wrote: »

There is a certain contradiction there though:
versus
It's really not all that easy for the "hapless" to take the lane multiple times and do life-saver shoulder-checks and lane negotiations, given that in the first part of the post they can't even be trusted to start cycling when a light turns green.

There is no issue of safety here with a proper system of yielding in place and with low speeds of taxis and buses being maintained.

You cant give priority to a lane of cyclists, at the expense of two junction entries and a tram, on such a busy junction. Buses pulling into the left can yield before crossing and once they do it slowly there is no issue with traffic flow or safety.

There is a worse scenario playing out each morning coming down the North Quays. Buses manage to negotiate some of the most carefree cycling you'll ever see and with no safety issues - mainly because they aren't moving fast, they cant accelerate from the lights at speed and they generally yield to cyclists.

buffalo · 10-07-2017 6:55pm

OleRodrigo wrote: »

You cant give priority to a lane of cyclists, at the expense of two junction entries and a tram, on such a busy junction. Buses pulling into the left can yield before crossing and once they do it slowly there is no issue with traffic flow or safety.

Sounds like cyclists are getting priority, and the busses will be waiting whether the motor traffic lights are red or green. Except of course for the impatient bus driver or the taxi driver who wants a fare cutting in and making the route stressful for cyclists.

OleRodrigo wrote: »

There is a worse scenario playing out each morning coming down the North Quays. Buses manage to negotiate some of the most carefree cycling you'll ever see and with no safety issues - mainly because they aren't moving fast, they cant accelerate from the lights at speed and they generally yield to cyclists.

Well done to everyone who negotiates the quays, but how many don't take the route because of the interactions with busses? This is who the city centre network should be aiming to accommodate. I know I stopped considering it as a stress-free route a long time ago, and I've been cycling in urban traffic for 20 years. I've seen plenty of Facebook posts citing 'never again' when it comes to cycling in certain city centre locations. These people should feel welcome and protected.

tomasrojo · 10-07-2017 10:35pm

Yeah, I personally don't find Westmoreland Street all that bad (or didn't find it all that bad when I went that way a lot), but it definitely has a reputation as an unpleasant street for cycling. Mixing with lane-switching buses falls far short of what you'd expect from an arterial route in a forward-looking city centre.

I'm not aware it even has a bad record for motor-vehicle/cyclist collisions (with the usual caveats about hostile streets deterring the more vulnerable cyclists). And I did contribute to a thread here where I was sceptical about the notion of introducing protected infrastructure on Westmoreland Street, but I do wonder how it'll shape up now. In particular if they go ahead with the College Green plaza.

Mercian Pro · 11-07-2017 9:47am

The draft NTA report proposes that cyclists wanting to turn right on to Eden Quay from Westmoreland Street would pull into a box in front of the stopped traffic on Bachelor's Walk, wait for the lights to change and then cross over to Eden Quay. This "box turn" arrangement is also suggested for quite a few other junctions along the Luas line.

Leroy42 · 11-07-2017 10:02am

Mercian Pro wrote: »

The draft NTA report proposes that cyclists wanting to turn right on to Eden Quay from Westmoreland Street would pull into a box in front of the stopped traffic on Bachelor's Walk, wait for the lights to change and then cross over to Eden Quay. This "box turn" arrangement is also suggested for quite a few other junctions along the Luas line.

It is what is happening already (without the box obv).

I use that junction everyday and if there is a queue of cars in the right turning lane (made too small to accommodate cyclists on the left!), I and many others (cars as well it seems) go up the right hind side of the go straight lane and turn right in front on the line to wait for the green arrow.

11-07-2017 10:26am

Someone I know came off today from the Luas tracks on College Green this morning. Thankfully they're okay and that the following bus was able to stop in time.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Leroy42 · 11-07-2017 10:33am

Deleted User wrote: »

Someone I know came off today from the Luas tracks on College Green this morning. Thankfully they're okay and that the following bus was able to stop in time.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Were they heading to Grafton St, as if they were going up Dame Street then you can avoid the tracks by staying right.

I'm not saying this in a "cop on" sort of way. More so to let people know that it is perfectly acceptable to stay right during that to avoid the rails. You still have to cross near the pedestrian lights but pretty much at 90 deg angle which makes it much safer

OleRodrigo · 11-07-2017 10:59am

buffalo wrote: »

Sounds like cyclists are getting priority, and the busses will be waiting whether the motor traffic lights are red or green. Except of course for the impatient bus driver or the taxi driver who wants a fare cutting in and making the route stressful for cyclists..

There's a difference between priority by virtue of a lighting system and a yielding system - the latter is less of an impediment to traffic flow.

buffalo wrote: »

Well done to everyone who negotiates the quays, but how many don't take the route because of the interactions with busses? This is who the city centre network should be aiming to accommodate. I know I stopped considering it as a stress-free route a long time ago, and I've been cycling in urban traffic for 20 years. I've seen plenty of Facebook posts citing 'never again' when it comes to cycling in certain city centre locations. These people should feel welcome and protected.

That's all well and good but wishful thinking never solves any problems. Priority to public transport is the most practical way to reduce private motor traffic and increase the uptake in cycling between the canals.

buffalo · 11-07-2017 11:11am

OleRodrigo wrote: »

That's all well and good but wishful thinking never solves any problems. Priority to public transport is the most practical way to reduce private motor traffic and increase the uptake in cycling between the canals.

An advance green for cyclists is 'wishful thinking' ? I don't understand. It's very simple to implement.

tomasrojo · 11-07-2017 11:53am

Leroy42 wrote: »

It is what is happening already (without the box obv).

I use that junction everyday and if there is a queue of cars in the right turning lane (made too small to accommodate cyclists on the left!), I and many others (cars as well it seems) go up the right hind side of the go straight lane and turn right in front on the line to wait for the green arrow.

In a standard box turn, you are directed up the left of the carriageway, and you stop at the far end of the junction, in front of traffic waiting to proceed across the junction, and you proceed with them when the light changes.

It's used a lot in Denmark and the Netherlands, from what I've read. I used to have a route where an informal version of it made life easier for me.

There's an implementation of one in the Sandyford Industrial Estate along Benildus Avenue, approaching the Aldi. It doesn't look very usable. I've always ignored it and used the road. There's another one near the Dunnes round the corner. Never turn right there, so can't say whether it's any use.

Lambay island · 12-07-2017 12:00pm

buffalo wrote: »

An advance green for cyclists is 'wishful thinking' ? I don't understand. It's very simple to implement.

Coming past that spot again this morning, to me, it does make perfect sense for an advanced green. Even if its only 10 seconds, its enough to get several bikes out in front of buses and taxis. There should be no private cars taking that turn (legally anyway) so its not like its slowing much traffic down, simply making it a safer segment for all.

On a side note this morn, I had a odd incident with a fellow cyclist. Stopped at lights at bottom of the hill junction on Charlemont street leading up towards Christ Church along with several bikes and cars. I went to pedal away at lights and my gear slipped to my annoyance and I think i said F**k or F**k ye directed at the situation. Anyway, this other cyclist started giving me lip for cursing at him and asking me what was I at and all. I've no idea what he thought, I think he did to me for me to be cursing at him. If you are a boards member, my cursing wasn't directed at you. :-0

ED E · 13-07-2017 5:00pm

Talk to Joe today:

The on going Luas works are causing some concern for cyclists as they engage with crossing the tracks. Michael had a recent accident, while for Phyllis O'Ryan is brought back memories of her sister Rita who was killed in 1962 when the old tram tracks were taken up.

http://pca.st/GPcl

deandean · 13-07-2017 7:09pm

Here's the perfect answer if you're commuting over and around those dangerous tracks:

Impact of Luas Cross City

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