Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

Gael85 · 12-12-2018 7:08pm

Cox father is from Roscommon. He could still play for Listowel and play with Roscommon under the parental rule.

kerry37 · 12-12-2018 7:26pm

Seems there was no interest at the county board meeting to change the way the captain is selected. Pity.

cms88 · 12-12-2018 8:49pm

Gael85 wrote: »

Cox father is from Roscommon. He could still play for Listowel and play with Roscommon under the parental rule.

Don't think so. I think the county can't have won a provincial championship for 10 years before they can

ciarriaithuaidh · 13-12-2018 1:43am

cms88 wrote: »

Don't think so. I think the county can't have won a provincial championship for 10 years before they can

Correct, he had to move clubs unfortunately.

I went on about this before here but Cox got a raw deal from Fitzmaurice. In 2013 and 2014 he was one of the best forwards in the county, had proven himself at under 21 and Sigerson level despite having never played Kerry minor. If a bit of faith had been placed in him, he could have blossomed. But this was one of Eamonn's greatest failings. His record of placing faith in the younger players was poor and it cost us when you look back at it.
In 2014 Conor scored 0-7 and 0-4 in succesive games in the league against Derry and Mayo - then was dumped for the rest of the year. Meanwhile, the likes of Jonathan Lyne, Kieran O'Leary and Mikey Geaney continued to get game time in the Kerry forward line. That was a missed opportunity.

I'm not from his club and I don't know the man before anyone suggests bias, just my opinion. Best of luck to him with Roscommon. Wouldn't begrudge him the chance to play at Senior level.

Always_Running · 13-12-2018 3:26am

cms88 wrote: »

Don't think so. I think the county can't have won a provincial championship for 10 years before they can

Roscommon had a lad from Dublin playing for them a few years ago under the parental rule and they weren't 10 years without a provincial title at the time.

Gael85 · 13-12-2018 12:08pm

Always_Running wrote: »

Roscommon had a lad from Dublin playing for them a few years ago under the parental rule and they weren't 10 years without a provincial title at the time.

Meath had a Dublin lad on their panel last year and still played with home club.

cms88 · 13-12-2018 3:26pm

Always_Running wrote: »

Roscommon had a lad from Dublin playing for them a few years ago under the parental rule and they weren't 10 years without a provincial title at the time.

Gael85 wrote: »

Meath had a Dublin lad on their panel last year and still played with home club.

AFAIK you can transfer your county status and still play with your home club, but it's a differtrnt thing to the parental rule.

rossie1977 · 13-12-2018 5:08pm

Always_Running wrote: »

Roscommon had a lad from Dublin playing for them a few years ago under the parental rule and they weren't 10 years without a provincial title at the time.

That was Donal Keane but not sure he played senior football for them just under 21.

Always_Running · 13-12-2018 5:45pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

That was Donal Keane but not sure he played senior football for them just under 21.

From what i recall he played senior football for Roscommon when John Evans was manager.

Gael85 · 13-12-2018 6:37pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

That was Donal Keane but not sure he played senior football for them just under 21.

Donal Keane played senior for Roscommon in the past.

Buyingcar2012 · 13-12-2018 10:23pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Correct, he had to move clubs unfortunately.

I went on about this before here but Cox got a raw deal from Fitzmaurice. In 2013 and 2014 he was one of the best forwards in the county, had proven himself at under 21 and Sigerson level despite having never played Kerry minor. If a bit of faith had been placed in him, he could have blossomed. But this was one of Eamonn's greatest failings. His record of placing faith in the younger players was poor and it cost us when you look back at it.
In 2014 Conor scored 0-7 and 0-4 in succesive games in the league against Derry and Mayo - then was dumped for the rest of the year. Meanwhile, the likes of Jonathan Lyne, Kieran O'Leary and Mikey Geaney continued to get game time in the Kerry forward line. That was a missed opportunity.

I'm not from his club and I don't know the man before anyone suggests bias, just my opinion. Best of luck to him with Roscommon. Wouldn't begrudge him the chance to play at Senior level.

Darragh O'Sé would say otherwise re him proving himself in his time with U21's. One of his IT articles all but named him as doing the opposite of what he was instructed to do when losing a MF (to Cork I think).

keane2097 · 13-12-2018 10:31pm

I wouldn't think Darragh is in much position to be throwing shade about his time in charge of the U21s.

Buyingcar2012 · 13-12-2018 10:45pm

keane2097 wrote: »

I wouldn't think Darragh is in much position to be throwing shade about his time in charge of the U21s.

Maybe not but he still lambasted a player in national media which wasn't too hard to figure out who it was. He may not have had a successful managerial career but his playing legacy still carries enough weight to give him significant influence in addition to his national media profile.

keane2097 · 13-12-2018 11:02pm

Buyingcar2012 wrote: »

Maybe not but he still lambasted a player in national media which wasn't too hard to figure out who it was. He may not have had a successful managerial career but his playing legacy still carries enough weight to give him significant influence in addition to his national media profile.

Influence to do what? Get people to change what they think of a guy he was in charge of at U21?

Buyingcar2012 · 14-12-2018 12:13am

keane2097 wrote: »

Influence to do what? Get people to change what they think of a guy he was in charge of at U21?

Cox reached his standard at Junior level. Darragh O'Sé's comments wouldn't have helped him and disregarding an u21 coaches instructions wouldn't endear him to a senior manager.

ciarriaithuaidh · 14-12-2018 1:32am

Buyingcar2012 wrote: »

Darragh O'Sé would say otherwise re him proving himself in his time with U21's. One of his IT articles all but named him as doing the opposite of what he was instructed to do when losing a MF (to Cork I think).

Darragh was a great player, no debate about that.

He was a disaster as u21 manager though and despite having plenty of talent available, his era was marked with poor preparation, poor tactics, poor selection and defeat to Cork 3 years in a row.

I don't know how you can place such "weight" on his opinion on Cox either seeing as how he was his manager for the sum total of 1 game at u21 level, the 2013 game with Cork in which my memory is of Cox playing fairly well in a very toothless Kerry forward line that failed to score from play for 40 minutes or so. He scored 5 points, 3 from play aswell. In my view Darragh was doing his best to deflect from his shocking performance as u21 manager and would never admit he may not have been up to the job himself of course.

Your opinion stated in another post then is that Cox "found his level" at Junior. I disagree, but there's very little point debating it at this point.

Buyingcar2012 · 14-12-2018 12:15pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Darragh was a great player, no debate about that.

He was a disaster as u21 manager though and despite having plenty of talent available, his era was marked with poor preparation, poor tactics, poor selection and defeat to Cork 3 years in a row.

I don't know how you can place such "weight" on his opinion on Cox either seeing as how he was his manager for the sum total of 1 game at u21 level, the 2013 game with Cork in which my memory is of Cox playing fairly well in a very toothless Kerry forward line that failed to score from play for 40 minutes or so. He scored 5 points, 3 from play aswell. In my view Darragh was doing his best to deflect from his shocking performance as u21 manager and would never admit he may not have been up to the job himself of course.

Your opinion stated in another post then is that Cox "found his level" at Junior. I disagree, but there's very little point debating it at this point.

Cox hasn't the pace for inter county. We'll see how he gets on in Connacht.

Bass Reeves · 14-12-2018 1:25pm

Buyingcar2012 wrote: »

Cox hasn't the pace for inter county. We'll see how he gets on in Connacht.

Neither did Bryan Sheehan for the last 5-6 years but he was kept on the Kerry panel and on the subs bench. Our biggest failure in Kerry is we are constantly thinking and looking at present for players to have a 10+ year career. This was not the way Kerry usually operated traditionally. Up until the late noughties we turned over 20-30% of the taem every 3-5 years and another 20-30% every 7-8 years.But from the late noughties we kept players well past there sell by date.

in taht time as well we stopped producing the 20-30 minute young player. These are lads that come on for the last 20 minutes and change the pace of a game and the way you attack. Dublin brough and is bringing in new players every year it is only in the last 12 months we started to do taht. There seemed to be an inertia about younger players and a kind of attidude taht they had to prove themselves on the training ground but they were never introduced into the League and early championship games. Or if they were when a couple of older players got a bit fitter they were dropped from team and panel.

Was Cox good enough it is hard to tell because a lot of players like him never got the chance to prove themselves.

Buyingcar2012 · 14-12-2018 4:24pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Neither did Bryan Sheehan for the last 5-6 years but he was kept on the Kerry panel and on the subs bench. Our biggest failure in Kerry is we are constantly thinking and looking at present for players to have a 10+ year career. This was not the way Kerry usually operated traditionally. Up until the late noughties we turned over 20-30% of the taem every 3-5 years and another 20-30% every 7-8 years.But from the late noughties we kept players well past there sell by date.

in taht time as well we stopped producing the 20-30 minute young player. These are lads that come on for the last 20 minutes and change the pace of a game and the way you attack. Dublin brough and is bringing in new players every year it is only in the last 12 months we started to do taht. There seemed to be an inertia about younger players and a kind of attidude taht they had to prove themselves on the training ground but they were never introduced into the League and early championship games. Or if they were when a couple of older players got a bit fitter they were dropped from team and panel.

Was Cox good enough it is hard to tell because a lot of players like him never got the chance to prove themselves.

Dublin focus on speed, athleticism and strength. It's no coincidence that we've been losing to them in the last 10 minutes of games. I agree that young players need to be given a chance. Dublin's constant evolvement of their team has been one of their most impressive abilities.

ciarriaithuaidh · 14-12-2018 7:12pm

Buyingcar2012 wrote: »

Cox hasn't the pace for inter county. We'll see how he gets on in Connacht.

Based on what I saw of him at U21, Sigerson and Junior level, he has plenty pace and agility.
I love how you throw out your opinion but never mention, you know..actual performances in games. Darragh says he gave him a bit of lip so he must be useless..:rolleyes:

manofwisdom · 14-12-2018 7:28pm

Buyingcar2012 wrote: »

Cox hasn't the pace for inter county. We'll see how he gets on in Connacht.

Plenty of county footballers get by with a lack of pace because their spend of mind is good. Cox has Div 1 football first and will have to perform well there before getting the chance to play in the Connacht championship.

wonga77 · 14-12-2018 10:53pm

I played against Cox at club level and thought he was excellent, a bit greedy at times but very talented. Never struck me as lacking pace either

mystic86 · 08-01-2019 9:01pm

Anyone got a link to the championship fixtures this year, including the Super 8 rounds and pre-determined allocations into each of the 2 pools/groups? This info for 2018 was available at this stage last year I believe...? Thanks

Fr Tod Umptious · 08-01-2019 10:45pm

mystic86 wrote: »

Anyone got a link to the championship fixtures this year, including the Super 8 rounds and pre-determined allocations into each of the 2 pools/groups? This info for 2018 was available at this stage last year I believe...? Thanks

The All Ireland Series fixtures are in the Master Fixture list

Provincial winners are at home for Phase 1, Phase 2 is in CP and Phase 3 is at home of qualifiers

Group 1
Team 1: Munster Provincial Winner
Team 2: Ulster Provincial Winner
Team 3: Connacht Runner-Up or team that
defeats them in Round 4
Team 4: Leinster Runner-Up or team that
defeats them in Round 4

Group 2
Team 1: Leinster Provincial Winner
Team 2: Connacht Provincial Winner
Team 3: Munster Runner-Up or team that
defeats them in Round 4
Team 4: Ulster Runner-Up or team that
defeats them in Round 4

Group 1 & 2 Fixtures
13-14.07.2019 (Sat/Sun)
Phase 1
Team 1 v Team 3
Team 2 v Team 4
20-21.07.2019 (Sat/Sun)
Phase 2
Team 1 v Team 2
Team 3 v Team 4
03-04.08.2019 (Sat/Sun)
Phase 3
Team 3 v Team 2
Team 4 v Team 1

mystic86 · 09-01-2019 12:03am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The All Ireland Series fixtures are in the Master Fixture list

Provincial winners are at home for Phase 1, Phase 2 is in CP and Phase 3 is at home of qualifiers

Group 1
Team 1: Munster Provincial Winner
Team 2: Ulster Provincial Winner
Team 3: Connacht Runner-Up or team that
defeats them in Round 4
Team 4: Leinster Runner-Up or team that
defeats them in Round 4

Group 2
Team 1: Leinster Provincial Winner
Team 2: Connacht Provincial Winner
Team 3: Munster Runner-Up or team that
defeats them in Round 4
Team 4: Ulster Runner-Up or team that
defeats them in Round 4

Group 1 & 2 Fixtures
13-14.07.2019 (Sat/Sun)
Phase 1
Team 1 v Team 3
Team 2 v Team 4
20-21.07.2019 (Sat/Sun)
Phase 2
Team 1 v Team 2
Team 3 v Team 4
03-04.08.2019 (Sat/Sun)
Phase 3
Team 3 v Team 2
Team 4 v Team 1

Thanks. Kerry likely to be in the tougher group again this year.

An Ciarraioch · 20-01-2019 4:29pm

Victory in the double for Beaufort and Kilcummin today, but both pushed all the way, winning by one and two points respectively. Now up to Crokes to complete the treble against Mullinlaghta!

An Ciarraioch · 20-01-2019 4:31pm

Meanwhile, local controversy about Division Five of the league, with almost a dozen clubs planning to enter B teams - time for a reserve division?

Same As · 20-01-2019 7:28pm

First round of the NFL next weekend.

Peter Keane released his extended panel of 40 last week:

Goalkeepers:
Shane Murphy (Dr Crokes), Brian Kelly (Legion), Shane Ryan (Rathmore);

Backs:

Mark Griffin (St Michael’s Foilmore), Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue), Shane Enright (Tarbert), Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers), Graham Sullivan (Dromid), Jack Sherwood (Firies), Gavin Crowley (Templenoe), Tom O’Sullivan (Dingle), Tom ‘Leo’ O’Sullivan (Dingle), Briain O Beaglaoich (Gaeltacht), Paul Murphy (Rathmore), Killian Young (Renard), Tadhg Morley (Templenoe), Gavin White (Dr Crokes), Michael Potts (Dr Crokes), Rob Wharton (Renard);

Midfielders:
Jack Barry (Na Gaeil) ???, David Moran (Kerins O’Rahilly’s), Diarmuid O’Connor (Na Gaeil), Mark Ryan (Rathmore);

Forwards
Stephen O’Brien (Kenmare), Sean O’Shea (Kenmare), Kevin McCarthy (Kilcummin), Gavin O’Brien (Kerins O’Rahillys), Killian Spillane (Templenoe), Adrian Spillane (Templenoe), Jonathan Lyne (Legion), David Clifford (Fossa), Tommy Walsh (Kerins O’Rahillys), Tomás Ó Sé (Gaeltacht), Conor Geaney (Dingle), Paul Geaney (Dingle), James O’Donoghue (Legion), Dara Moynihan (Spa), Mikey Geaney(Dingle), Michael Burns (Dr Crokes), David Shaw (Dr Crokes).

Players with strike-through are those who are either unavailable or injured for next weekend's opener. Unsure as to whether Jack Barry is injured or not. Tony Brosnan notably on the missing list despite his excellent showing in County Championship. Don't think Crokes being in All Ireland Semi explains his omission either so obviously more to that which hasn't been said.

Based on the above, the team I'd like to see line out vs Tyrone next Sunday

Shane Ryan

Killian Young Jack Sherwood Tom Sullivan

Tadhg Morley Gavin Crowley Paul Murphy

Diarmuid O Connor & Jack Barry (if available)

Gavin O Brien Sean O Shea Stephen O Brien

James O Donoghue Tommy Walsh Paul Geaney

Will be a tough ask for our lads next weekend with little game time with some of the new rules but excited to see how we fair and what the new management have to offer.

Fr Tod Umptious · 20-01-2019 10:39pm

Same As wrote: »

First round of the NFL next weekend.

Peter Keane released his extended panel of 40 last week:

Goalkeepers:
Shane Murphy (Dr Crokes), Brian Kelly (Legion), Shane Ryan (Rathmore);

Backs:

Mark Griffin (St Michael’s Foilmore), Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue), Shane Enright (Tarbert), Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers), Graham Sullivan (Dromid), Jack Sherwood (Firies), Gavin Crowley (Templenoe), Tom O’Sullivan (Dingle), Tom ‘Leo’ O’Sullivan (Dingle), Briain O Beaglaoich (Gaeltacht), Paul Murphy (Rathmore), Killian Young (Renard), Tadhg Morley (Templenoe), Gavin White (Dr Crokes), Michael Potts (Dr Crokes), Rob Wharton (Renard);

Midfielders:
Jack Barry (Na Gaeil) ???, David Moran (Kerins O’Rahilly’s), Diarmuid O’Connor (Na Gaeil), Mark Ryan (Rathmore);

Forwards
Stephen O’Brien (Kenmare), Sean O’Shea (Kenmare), Kevin McCarthy (Kilcummin), Gavin O’Brien (Kerins O’Rahillys), Killian Spillane (Templenoe), Adrian Spillane (Templenoe), Jonathan Lyne (Legion), David Clifford (Fossa), Tommy Walsh (Kerins O’Rahillys), TomSGaeltacht), Conor Geaney (Dingle), Paul Geaney (Dingle), James O’Donoghue (Legion), Dara Moynihan (Spa), Mikey Geaney(Dingle), Michael Burns (Dr Crokes), David Shaw (Dr Crokes).

Players with strike-through are those who are either unavailable or injured for next weekend's opener. Unsure as to whether Jack Barry is injured or not. Tony Brosnan notably on the missing list despite his excellent showing in County Championship. Don't think Crokes being in All Ireland Semi explains his omission either so obviously more to that which hasn't been said.

Based on the above, the team I'd like to see line out vs Tyrone next Sunday

Shane Ryan

Killian Young Jack Sherwood Tom Sullivan

Tadhg Morley Gavin Crowley Paul Murphy

Diarmuid O Connor & Jack Barry (if available)

Gavin O Brien Sean O Shea Stephen O Brien

James O Donoghue Tommy Walsh Paul Geaney

Will be a tough ask for our lads next weekend with little game time with some of the new rules but excited to see how we fair and what the new management have to offer.

I know they have not competed in the McGrath cup for a few years now but I think being part of it would have helped this team this year

It's a new manager, a lot of new players, and as you said some new rules, so what harm would there have been in having a few games under their belt before the NFL

ciarriaithuaidh · 21-01-2019 12:14am

Same As wrote: »

First round of the NFL next weekend.

Peter Keane released his extended panel of 40 last week:

Goalkeepers:
Shane Murphy (Dr Crokes), Brian Kelly (Legion), Shane Ryan (Rathmore);

Backs:

Mark Griffin (St Michael’s Foilmore), Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue), Shane Enright (Tarbert), Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers), Graham Sullivan (Dromid), Jack Sherwood (Firies), Gavin Crowley (Templenoe), Tom O’Sullivan (Dingle), Tom ‘Leo’ O’Sullivan (Dingle), Briain O Beaglaoich (Gaeltacht), Paul Murphy (Rathmore), Killian Young (Renard), Tadhg Morley (Templenoe), Gavin White (Dr Crokes), Michael Potts (Dr Crokes), Rob Wharton (Renard);

Midfielders:
Jack Barry (Na Gaeil) ???, David Moran (Kerins O’Rahilly’s), Diarmuid O’Connor (Na Gaeil), Mark Ryan (Rathmore);

Forwards
Stephen O’Brien (Kenmare), Sean O’Shea (Kenmare), Kevin McCarthy (Kilcummin), Gavin O’Brien (Kerins O’Rahillys), Killian Spillane (Templenoe), Adrian Spillane (Templenoe), Jonathan Lyne (Legion), David Clifford (Fossa), Tommy Walsh (Kerins O’Rahillys), Tomás Ó Sé (Gaeltacht), Conor Geaney (Dingle), Paul Geaney (Dingle), James O’Donoghue (Legion), Dara Moynihan (Spa), Mikey Geaney(Dingle), Michael Burns (Dr Crokes), David Shaw (Dr Crokes).

Players with strike-through are those who are either unavailable or injured for next weekend's opener. Unsure as to whether Jack Barry is injured or not. Tony Brosnan notably on the missing list despite his excellent showing in County Championship. Don't think Crokes being in All Ireland Semi explains his omission either so obviously more to that which hasn't been said.

Based on the above, the team I'd like to see line out vs Tyrone next Sunday

Shane Ryan

Killian Young Jack Sherwood Tom Sullivan

Tadhg Morley Gavin Crowley Paul Murphy

Diarmuid O Connor & Jack Barry (if available)

Gavin O Brien Sean O Shea Stephen O Brien

James O Donoghue Tommy Walsh Paul Geaney

Will be a tough ask for our lads next weekend with little game time with some of the new rules but excited to see how we fair and what the new management have to offer.

Jack Sherwood full back? Jesus wept..

I think this league campaign may be a tough one based on what I'm hearing and the Crokes players plus a few notable other injuries are absent of course. The above defence and midfield would be in serious bother against the top teams.

Also, without going into too much of panel, if Tony Brosnan isn't included it's a bit of a joke.

Same As · 21-01-2019 8:47am

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Jack Sherwood full back? Jesus wept..

I think this league campaign may be a tough one based on what I'm hearing and the Crokes players plus a few notable other injuries are absent of course. The above defence and midfield would be in serious bother against the top teams.

Also, without going into too much of panel, if Tony Brosnan isn't included it's a bit of a joke.

Sherwood was at FB for a recent challenge vs ITT to the best of my knowledge. He acquitted himself well in county championship a little further out the field which is pretty much the only barometer the new management had to go on to gauge recent form. Presumably has been placed there for some sort of effort against the offensive mark as he has height and strength; something most of our available backs are short of, particularly the former.

keane2097 · 21-01-2019 3:19pm

It's going to be a long year.

Bass Reeves · 21-01-2019 5:39pm

Same As wrote: »

Sherwood was at FB for a recent challenge vs ITT to the best of my knowledge. He acquitted himself well in county championship a little further out the field which is pretty much the only barometer the new management had to go on to gauge recent form. Presumably has been placed there for some sort of effort against the offensive mark as he has height and strength; something most of our available backs are short of, particularly the former.

IMO to counter the offensive mark you will need to be able to mark man to man. I think any team looking to take offensive marks will try to have forwards running into scoring positions so the ability of the back to cover ground will be very important.

An Ciarraioch · 22-01-2019 2:27pm

Excellent news for Kerry hurling - Parnells have been approved to launch a full adult team, starting out in Division Two and intermediate, but obviously the long -term aim is to go senior, and certainly the results of the minors and u-21s in recent years would justify the decision.

blowitupref · 22-01-2019 3:03pm

Kerry lost to Laois in challenge game at the weekend. This apparently was the team that started.

Shane Ryan
Peter Crowley Jack Sherwood Killian Young
Brian Begley Paul Murphy Tom O'Sullivan
Jack Barry Adrian Spillane
Diarmuid O'Connor Sean O'Shea Gavin O'Brien
Thomas O'se Paul Geaney Stephen O'Brien

Shane Enright,Tadgh Morley,Jonathan Lyne,Killian Spillane,Tommy Walsh,James O'Donoghue came on as subs

davegilly · 22-01-2019 5:20pm

blowitupref wrote: »

Kerry lost to Laois

Jaysus

Kerrydude1981 · 22-01-2019 6:59pm

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Excellent news for Kerry hurling - Parnells have been approved to launch a full adult team, starting out in Division Two and intermediate, but obviously the long -term aim is to go senior, and certainly the results of the minors and u-21s in recent years would justify the decision.

Ya its a great move,I hope they continue to progress,they have some talented young players.

ciarriaithuaidh · 22-01-2019 7:16pm

Same As wrote: »

Sherwood was at FB for a recent challenge vs ITT to the best of my knowledge. He acquitted himself well in county championship a little further out the field which is pretty much the only barometer the new management had to go on to gauge recent form. Presumably has been placed there for some sort of effort against the offensive mark as he has height and strength; something most of our available backs are short of, particularly the former.

We've been there and done that with Jack Sherwood. He's not an Inter county defender and he's certainly not a full back, so this sounds fairly crazy to me. He's 28 this year and has had a lot of chances in the Fitzmaurice era. In fairness he was only ever a converted defender, having been a midfielder and forward at underage and club level.

I'd much rather we tried to develop 20-24 year old defenders who have more potential but may be lacking physicality or experience. I was delighted with the management team appointed but some of the early calls made aren't filling me with joy. I hope it's mere experimentation and the Crokes players, including Johnny Buckley who we need, returning in March or before, will lead to a much stronger squad.

cms88 · 24-01-2019 10:36am

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

We've been there and done that with Jack Sherwood. He's not an Inter county defender and he's certainly not a full back, so this sounds fairly crazy to me. He's 28 this year and has had a lot of chances in the Fitzmaurice era. In fairness he was only ever a converted defender, having been a midfielder and forward at underage and club level.

I'd much rather we tried to develop 20-24 year old defenders who have more potential but may be lacking physicality or experience. I was delighted with the management team appointed but some of the early calls made aren't filling me with joy. I hope it's mere experimentation and the Crokes players, including Johnny Buckley who we need, returning in March or before, will lead to a much stronger squad.

I wouldn't say he lot plenty of chances under Fitzmaurice. He only played maybe two championship games, one when he was thrown in at the deep end. Don't think he played a whole lot of league games either, when he did he plyed quite well from what i remember.

For example imo Johnny Buckley is someone who has had plenty of chances without much end product. He's also 30 this year. Although going by your other posts you seem to be a Crokes man so that explains that

keane2097 · 24-01-2019 12:52pm

'ciarraithuaidh' is hardly a username for a Crokes man.

cms88 · 24-01-2019 1:40pm

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Excellent news for Kerry hurling - Parnells have been approved to launch a full adult team, starting out in Division Two and intermediate, but obviously the long -term aim is to go senior, and certainly the results of the minors and u-21s in recent years would justify the decision.

Just have to get the senior county management to realise there's players outside of North Kerry now and things will be on the right track

ciarriaithuaidh · 24-01-2019 3:11pm

cms88 wrote: »

I wouldn't say he lot plenty of chances under Fitzmaurice. He only played maybe two championship games, one when he was thrown in at the deep end. Don't think he played a whole lot of league games either, when he did he plyed quite well from what i remember.

For example imo Johnny Buckley is someone who has had plenty of chances without much end product. He's also 30 this year. Although going by your other posts you seem to be a Crokes man so that explains that

You're right, in that he was thrown in at the deep end in 2013 semi final. A crazy decision by Fitzmaurice. I suppose I meant he got plenty viewing in league games, with Juniors etc and (to me) didn't show the quality needed to step up a level.

I'm not from Crokes. Clearly not a gaeilgeoir!

I'm not saying Johnny Buckley is a certain starter or anything. I'm just looking at our current midfield options and I think he is better than most of them. He would certainly improve the quality of training and internal games at the very least. He's not the flashiest or best player we've ever had, but he's mobile, versatile and his attitude is spot on.
Just 2 examples spring to mind on Johnny Buckley. 2014 AI final he was very good and his point in the last 10 mins into the hill was of the highest quality in the circumstances.
2015 semi final v Tyrone was probably his best performance in a Kerry jersey. 3 points from play, put in a serious amount of tackles and got on a load of ball.

Yes, he's 30 this year, but if he was available for next year or 2 it would be a huge help I think. His form for Crokes over next while will be interesting to monitor.

Bass Reeves · 24-01-2019 3:53pm

I cannot understand why you would have Sherwood and Enright on the panel over Ronan Shanahan TBH

ciarriaithuaidh · 24-01-2019 4:34pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I cannot understand why you would have Sherwood and Enright on the panel over Ronan Shanahan TBH

I cannot understand the fascination some have with Ronan Shanahan when he has been exposed badly at club championship level a few times.
Enright is an allstar winning defender. Granted, had a poor year last year but is still an important player if fit and in form.

Bass Reeves · 24-01-2019 4:48pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

I cannot understand the fascination some have with Ronan Shanahan when he has been exposed badly at club championship level a few times.
Enright is an allstar winning defender. Granted, had a poor year last year but is still an important player if fit and in form.

Shanahan was fairly good last year at intercounty level. Some players are often better at county than club. As well if you are the fastest defender your club has you will be marking marquee forwards from other team. Slower defenders will often play in Central positions and are at less risk of exposure. Shane Enright was exposed by Andy Moran and made Moran an all star and player of the year in 2017

ciarriaithuaidh · 24-01-2019 5:51pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Shanahan was fairly good last year at intercounty level. Some players are often better at county than club. As well if you are the fastest defender your club has you will be marking marquee forwards from other team. Slower defenders will often play in Central positions and are at less risk of exposure. Shane Enright was exposed by Andy Moran and made Moran an all star and player of the year in 2017

Andy Moran also cleaned out Philly McMahon but I doubt Dublin will dump him off the panel for 2019!
Shanahan was marking Thomas Hickey in a Stacks v Kierans game last year in County championship and was destroyed. Thomas Hickey is a small, but quick forward who is Kerry Junior level probably. If Shanahan can't mark lighter, lesser forwards at that level, what business has he going up against top inter-county forwards?

wonga77 · 24-01-2019 6:26pm

Surely you are not forming your opinion on the back of one county championship game? Ive seen plenty of hopeless displays by county stars at club level, didnt affect their performances in the green and gold though

cms88 · 24-01-2019 8:05pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

I cannot understand the fascination some have with Ronan Shanahan when he has been exposed badly at club championship level a few times.
Enright is an allstar winning defender. Granted, had a poor year last year but is still an important player if fit and in form.

Did Enright even play last year?

Same As · 25-01-2019 12:51am

cms88 wrote: »

For example imo Johnny Buckley is someone who has had plenty of chances without much end product. He's also 30 this year. Although going by your other posts you seem to be a Crokes man so that explains that

I agree with this. Johnny arguably the best club midfielder in Kerry. Short a yard for inter-county, but like you said in another post, incredible attitude, work ethic and skillset. Would love to see him back involved.

ciarriaithuaidh · 25-01-2019 7:55pm

wonga77 wrote: »

Surely you are not forming your opinion on the back of one county championship game? Ive seen plenty of hopeless displays by county stars at club level, didnt affect their performances in the green and gold though

No, I'm not. I've seen Ronan Shanahan play dozens of times over recent years with Stacks, with GMIT in Sigerson and with Kerry. He's not a bad footballer - grand on the ball, pacey enough..but nowhere near a good enough defender in my view. It seems to be something of a systemic problem in recent years for us. Too many "corner backs" like Fionn Fitz, Shanahan and Brian Begley who are decent players but not strong enough defensively at all. Disciplined, tough defenders are an essential part of any successful team. We need a few of these to be developed.

If Kerry squad I'm hearing for Sunday is correct, there are 2 lads on bench who fit the bill for me, Graham O'Sullivan and Gavin Crowley. The starting 6 backs though don't fill me with confidence at all. The forward line has 2 glaring selections that I don't like and we are weak in middle too it looks like.

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