Can I renew my learner permit again without taking test

biggebruv wrote: »

At the moment I’m working in city center so I have no need to drive around cause it’s too awkward to get there easier just to hop on train but I never know when my circumstances may Change so that’s kinda why I’m not pushed about driving atm

You can still apply for the test and practice away to get the full licence should you pass, after that it is upto yourself.

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The amnesty was only made available to those who were on a second provisional licence (and therefore legally permitted to drive unaccompanied at that time) and who were already on the waiting list for a test in category C (now category . Therefore only those who were doing things right benefited from it. Those on 1st, 3rd and subsequent provisional licences were not eligible even if they were on the waiting list.

It was introduced retrospectively and the cut off date was six months before the announcement so all those myths circulating about people rushing out to get their licence during the amnesty are a load of nonsense. If we didn't have a 9 month postal strike at the time, it probably would never have happened.

I don't really see how it's a lasting debacle or how it contributes to people on numerous learner permits.

I'm personally aware of someone who got a first provisional licence as it was called then in 1973, they missed out on the amnesty in 1979 as they were onto their 3rd, through all the jigs and reels they remained on a learner permit until last year, sat about 15 driving tests before getting it just last summer, there were endless renewals and no shows in the hope another amnesty would rear its head which it didn't.

If the 2 year regulation which applies today applied back then it would mean that the youngest recipient of a driving licence was born in 1959/1960, making them no older than 59/60 today, still some 10 years off needing a medical to continue driving unless they use the truck and bus licences to the present day in which case it is every 5 years.

Is it time to introduce mandatory testing for those who availed of the amnesty or would that contravene some sort of EU directive?

Also mandatory periodic training in a similar form to driver cpc that truck and bus drivers do? as i said before, those who did pass a test, how many of them pick up the rules of the road after passing?

How many of the amnesty licence holders even know the meaning of a road sign bar the obvious 'stop' sign.

The postal strike i know very little of if i am honest.

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Anyone who benefited from the amnesty and who now has a truck or bus licence would have had to pass a test for a truck or bus as they weren't included in the amnesty so those drivers couldn't be described as not having passed a test. (Excepting, of course any pre 1963 licence holders).

What would it achieve? The vast majority of accidents are caused by younger drivers. I'd prefer to let it go and to concentrate on progress with younger drivers.

Depends on what you mean by mandatory training. I passed truck and bus tests prior to the introduction of the CPC system and therefore have what some call 'grandfather' rights. The regular 'training' for people like me is a bit of a joke and simply a 'tick box' exercise. Sit in a room for 6-8 hours with no test. The presenters always begin by saying "Now I know none of you want to be here so I'll run through it as quick as I can......".

That's pretty normal when rules change or when new rules are implemented, Many people were driving before motorways, roundabouts, trams etc.

I think you're exaggerating a bit there. Most pay low insurance rates.

It caused mayhem with the driving test system as most people didn't have a telephone and could only be notified by post. As there was no post delivered for 9 months, the waiting time went to over 2.5 years. Not really the fault of the candidates who were waiting in fairness.

Was that the old H licence for trucks and buses?

Didn't know about the 1963 rule.

Younger drivers will always think they know best even if they only hold a permit, most of my own generation were like that, i was no different, hindsight is a valuable teacher though.

Yes i'm familiar with Driver CPC myself as i hold the licences, i had to go through the initial process, theory tests etc, the one day a year is very boring, they should really look at ways of making it better.

You can see the rule changes we've have in the last 5-10-15 years, so imagine those who never once sat a test not knowing any of these rules because they never had to study for them, testing is optional at present, it needs to be made mandatory if someone holds a permit.

Insurance rates have nothing to do with knowledge of road signs though, yes these said people might not have been directly involved in a crash, but like full licensed counterparts how many near misses have they had or god forbid indirectly caused crashes? Things like stopping, yielding on roundabouts etc, this is where driver education would be handy for all drivers regardless if it is a permit or licence.

2.5 year wait :eek: and i thought 9 months was bad when i sat my car test.

I'll have to look that up, it isn't something i've ever really heard being discussed.

Now if a postal strike happened today it wouldn't have anywhere near the same impact.

An interesting article here.

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-talk/why-roads-are-safer-after-50-years-of-the-driving-test-30062291.html

Tokyo hosted the Olympics, Martin Luther King won the Nobel Peace Prize,' My Fair Lady' picked up seven Oscars and Beatle mania was at its height. It was also the year that the first driving test was carried out in Ireland. The year was 1964; March 18 to be exact.

In the early 2000s, the then Transport Minister, Seamus Brennan, indicated he was considering forcing people to do their driving test before they reached their third provisional licence. This led to a huge influx of driving test applications.