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Could you feed your family from your farm.

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  • #102
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    amacca wrote: »
    hmmm didn't realise you could slaughter a bovine animal for private consumption...thought it was just a pig etc


    I didn't know either.
    I once had a lunatic limo/fresian bullock that couldn't be tested, and the Dept. were getting ansty about him.
    Warned me to get him tested or they would have an army marksman shoot him.
    I asked if I could shoot him and have him butchered, and they vigorously denied it.
    Said it could only happen in a registered slaughterhouse, and that the carcass would have to be sent to a knackery.

    Anyway, if the internet went down, the Dept. would cease to function, no more payments, movements, inspections, letters, nothing.
    Hell, if SAP NetWeaver crashed we wouldn't have a Dept.Ag.


  • #103
    NSAman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Already grow most of my veggies in the garden.

    Cows and pigs and chickens wouldn’t be a problem, but where I live they are currently prohibited. Have a few acres so plenty of room for a few animals in the case of having to go back in the case of armageddon technologically speaking.


  • #104
    Birdnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Butchery is one of the many usefull life skills that never seem to be taught in our schools


  • #105
    Base price
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    NSAman wrote: »
    Already grow most of my veggies in the garden.

    Cows and pigs and chickens wouldn’t be a problem, but where I live they are currently prohibited. Have a few acres so plenty of room for a few animals in the case of having to go back in the case of armageddon technologically speaking.
    I don't know where you live but afaik you can keep hens in a urban garden (but no males - roosters/cockerels) and you cannot keep water fowl - ducks/geese.


  • #106
    Base price
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    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Butchery is one of the many usefull life skills that never seem to be taught in our schools
    Along with sowing/knitting/darning, kneeding, carding, thatching, fishing and a whole lot more :(


  • #107
    Genghis Cant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭Genghis Cant


    We grow a lot of stuff here between the garden and polytunnell. We keep all sorts of fowl too.
    I think we'd survive alright but it would get fairly boring after a while.
    I'd probably need to start a distillation process to keep myself sane .
    Life without salt and sugar wouldn't be worth living.


  • #108
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Have ye all forgotten that sugar comes in forms other than Siucra granulated 1kg? Bzzzzzzzz :)

    And as for salt ...? Ehh, ye live on a small island, surrounded by salt water. Bring the children to the beach for a week every year and have them haul a few hundred gallons of water to boil off over a campfire every day. Be grand for a year afterwards if ye're careful. :cool:


  • #109
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,357 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Have ye all forgotten that sugar comes in forms other than Siucra granulated 1kg? Bzzzzzzzz :)

    And as for salt ...? Ehh, ye live on a small island, surrounded by salt water. Bring the children to the beach for a week every year and have them haul a few hundred gallons of water to boil off over a campfire every day. Be grand for a year afterwards if ye're careful. :cool:
    Unfortunately now sea water can/does contain micro plastics :mad:


  • #110
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Myself and Mrs T cooked and processed 8 kg of swede and carrots for the freezer this evening.
    It's just the beginning of it to let us get a routine going.


  • #111
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Base price wrote: »
    Unfortunately now sea water can/does contain micro plastics :mad:

    Yeah, but so does rainwater, groundwater, tapwater ... and besides, it doesn't stop people paying a fortune for sea-salt that's produced in exactly the same way from exactly the same water.

    Nothing like seeing a diesel-driven bulldozer with rubber tyres driving across salt-flats for a bit of perspective on some of the nonsense spouted by fancy TV chefs. :p


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  • #112
    Bullocks
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    Base price wrote: »
    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Butchery is one of the many usefull life skills that never seem to be taught in our schools
    Along with sowing/knitting/darning, kneeding, carding, thatching, fishing and a whole lot more :(
    A school with a lock of classes like you mentioned there would brilliant


  • #113
    feartuath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭feartuath


    Nothing sown here with years but when I was young everyone had a garden.
    We had a half acre of spuds along with another patch with all the other usual vegetables.
    Kale and turnips were sown for the cows and fed with beet pulp I think.
    Rabbits during the summer and I had the job of paunching them.
    I shoot a deer or 2 for the freezer most years.
    I mince most of it.
    So if we were to start gardening again we would not starve initially.


  • #114
    feartuath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭feartuath


    Nothing sown here with years but when I was young everyone had a garden.
    We had a half acre of spuds along with another patch with all the other usual vegetables.
    Kale and turnips were sown for the cows and fed with beet pulp I think.
    Rabbits during the summer and I had the job of paunching them.
    Now i shoot a deer or 2 for the freezer most years.
    I mince most of it.
    So if we were to start gardening again we would not starve initially.


  • #115
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,107 ✭✭✭amacca


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Butchery is one of the many usefull life skills that never seem to be taught in our schools

    You are having a laugh right? with todays teenagers and parents....Id venture a guess that large number of them wouldn't want it and some would actively object never mind the department of education etc

    I used to dissect lamb hearts and occasionally the full lungs, heart, liver with trachea and oesophagus etc etc all connected for kids if they were interested and while many were, a lot of them would go into hysterics and I'd have to arrange another room for them (which is fair enough I suppose if you are squeamish etc) so it wouldn't be without its difficulties that way although Ill say one thing for kids, most of them are more up for trying new things than adults in fairness.

    We got a heads up years and years ago about using beef hearts etc due to risk if cjd .... and its harder and harder to go to an abattoir and get the lungs etc

    You can still buy the hearts without hassle but teaching butchery is as unlikely as hell to happen unless society out there changes drastically. I'd imagine it would do more than raise eyebrows if I was still at it and proposed to introduce a short course on butchery.

    The focus is on stuff like wellbeing, paperwork and "planning" now and pr exercises to justify dept gurus and their "reform" in case anyone would spot they are essentially useless box tickers pushing a box ticking cover your hole agenda in a system where everyone has rights if they want them but seemingly no responsibilities if they don't want them. the kind of agenda that seems to have slowly destroyed the UK education system.


  • #116
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    While I detest agreeing with the post above, one of the girls in my year actually vomited while dissecting a heart. :pac:
    Nobody taught me butchery, trial & error in my case!


  • #117
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Butchery is one of the many usefull life skills that never seem to be taught in our schools

    Jesus we have a mantra against eating meat seeping into schools, there’d be some twist in their knickers if little billy was being taught how to butcher a bit of meat.

    As a species were getting dumber and less capable of surviving, perfect to be wiped out by something simple as all actual practical skills will be lost.


  • #118
    CelticRambler
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    Practical skill (1): know how to sharpen a blade! It's unbelievable how hard it is to find a decent sharp knife in other people's kitchens.

    Practical skill (2a): write stuff down! When the zombies have eaten all the internet's fibreoptic cable, and the MadMaxers have scavenged all the metal from the nearest cell tower, there'll be no quickly looking stuff up on YouTube.

    Practical skill (2b): use a pencil, not a pen! Seems like most folk these days think that pencils are not serious writing implements, but they have some damn good advantages over a biro: they work in the rain, in the cold, upside-down; they'll write on wet or greasy paper; and after you've carefully written your gardening or cooking hints, when your notebook falls in a puddle, the ink won't run all over the page making it impossible to read anything. (learnt this one on a farm, recording tag-numbers and TB results :pac: )


  • #119
    foxy farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭foxy farmer


    Ah. That bit about the pencil reminds me of the space race in the 60s. The Americans found ink pens were useless in space and spent millions of dollars in research to design new devices for writing in zero gravity. The Russians just used the pencil.
    Probably a myth but worth a chuckle.


  • #120
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,776 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    All you need is a plot of vegetables and a goat..


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50054044


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  • #121
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Or a calf and a machete! :D


  • #122
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,776 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Muckit wrote: »
    Or a calf and a machete! :D

    Yea it's real funny Muckit. :rolleyes:

    Just to open your eyes to where your animals if you breed any. Could end up.

    https://twitter.com/mohammedlsm/status/1123621716142374912?s=20

    There's loads more posts on social media with pictures. But frankly it's not needed for boards.

    A bit of realism is needed in the debate with no virtue signalling from British freisian breeders or buyers looking for free calves.
    The only way it's solved is an income that goes to the farmer and pays a wage from when that animal was born to when it's slaughtered humanely.
    Breeders make decisions based on the market and if the market doesn't reward them for a good animal that'll flesh well. They won't breed that animal. Simples and that's what happened.

    I used to be in the horse breeding business and you had these gobsh1te horse experts in this country extolling the virtues of the traditional Irish horse breed.
    But the same gobsh1tes would never breed a horse in their life, going to the sales and buying foals for below the stud fees and selling them on for 20k or more.
    What happened?
    Breeders gave up breeding or moved to more commercial foreign sires.
    Then the gobsh1tes kicked up and ran seminars with the horse board trying to get breeders back and they couldn't understand how these stupid breeders wouldn't breed these great horses anymore. It was too late by then and the breeders had left the breed or quit altogether.

    The same thing is starting to occur in this whole freisian/dual purpose vs jersey bull calf debate.
    You have the buyers on their moral high ground looking down at the stupid breeders and wondering what on earth is occurring. You've still a few traditional breeders but not getting paid a viable price. And the buyers still expecting the breeders to treat it like a hobby to fund their own business.

    The answer is simple. Price paid.

    I can't wait for the seminars now telling breeders to breed British freisian for the country's image and reputation abroad and to keep the markets open.
    Don't tell me how I know. I've heard it all before with a different animal that went down the tubes. It all finishes when one is expected to raise and pay for that animal as a hobby. Even the top performers in the horse world won top prizes to keep the show going.
    What prize is there for the bull calf breeder and producer?


    Anyways back on thread topic to self sufficiency and locking the family in the basement..


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