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Donegal Scots

  • 04-02-2015 5:36pm
    #1
    johnohanlon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭


    I took a spin around Inishowen the other week and I was wondering would it not be fair to have the road signs in Donegal in Ulster-Scots and Irish rather than just Irish, the two cultures should be represented should they not?


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  • #2
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,855 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    No.

    Enough money is wasted in this country without getting road signs put in a language that isn't even close to an official language of the country.


  • #3
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    johnohanlon wrote: »
    I took a spin around Inishowen the other week and I was wondering would it not be fair to have the road signs in Donegal in Ulster-Scots and Irish rather than just Irish, the two cultures should be represented should they not?

    Put the signs in reverse. Sure they're all backwards there.

    Well, at least one of them is.


  • #4
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    lets throw more money at languages no one speaks.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
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    ''Paging The Backwards Man to After Hours, paging Backwards Man''
    :D


  • #6
    somesoldiers
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    Donegal drivers drive to fast to read them anyway


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  • #7
    WesternZulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Sure even loyalists in the North rip down signs in Ulster-Scots...what chance have they south (west) of the border.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/478513.stm


  • #8
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    What about Klingon?

    Pa' veng SuvwI' - 12km


  • #9
    chrysagon
    Registered Users Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭chrysagon


    put it in Irelands second language!!!

    polish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #10
    The Backwards Man
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    We don't speak Ulster Scots in Inishowen. We speak a dialect all of our own heavily influenced by Mid Ulster English, Glasgow Pattter, Northern England English and Irish.

    Away and scratch, ya gamadan ye!


  • #11
    johnohanlon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭johnohanlon


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    We don't speak Ulster Scots in Inishowen. We speak a dialect all of our own heavily influenced by Mid Ulster English, Glasgow Pattter, Northern England English and Irish.

    Away and scratch, ya gamadan ye!

    That doesn't make sense as "Mid Ulster English" is a dialect in itself, it is heavily influenced by Ulster Irish, not that auld southern brand of Irish


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  • #12
    endacl
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    5starpool wrote: »
    No.

    Enough money is wasted in this country without getting road signs put in a language that isn't even close to an official language of the country Is really just 'a bit of an accent'.
    There. That's better.

    :)


  • #13
    The Backwards Man
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    johnohanlon wrote: »
    That doesn't make sense as "Mid Ulster English" is a dialect in itself, it is heavily influenced by Ulster Irish, not that auld southern brand of Irish
    Why doesn't it make sense? All dialects are influenced by others.

    There's nothing wrong with Munster Irish, it's just a different dialect. That's the way languages are.


  • #14
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Why doesn't it make sense? All dialects are influenced by others.

    There's nothing wrong with Munster Irish, it's just a different dialect. That's the way languages are.

    It surely is, hai.


  • #15
    The Backwards Man
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    endacl wrote: »
    It surely is, hai.
    That's your southern bias creeping in

    Should be

    It is surely, hai.

    :P


  • #16
    johnohanlon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭johnohanlon


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Why doesn't it make sense? All dialects are influenced by others.

    There's nothing wrong with Munster Irish, it's just a different dialect. That's the way languages are.

    "Mid Ulster English" is simply just the name that was given to the dialect, it was never just a Mid Ulster thing, Mid Ulster is East Tyrone and South Derry. Sure Belfasts dialect is also considered Mid Ulster English.

    It is simply a mixture of Ulster Irish and Scots/older forms of English.


  • #17
    The Backwards Man
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    johnohanlon wrote: »
    "Mid Ulster English" is simply just the name that was given to the dialect, it was never just a Mid Ulster thing, Mid Ulster is East Tyrone and South Derry. Sure Belfasts dialect is also considered Mid Ulster English.

    It is simply a mixture of Ulster Irish and Scots/older forms of English.
    Yeah, that's why I mentioned when I referred to the dialects that influence the way I speak.:confused:


  • #18
    Capt'n Midnight
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    OP do you know what Ulster Scots is ??

    Take away the accent , the bad spelling and a couple of wee words and they might as well use the Queen's English.

    http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/about-the-assembly/general-information/information-leaflets/ulster-scots/
    Wirkan for yo

    Wantan tae find out mair anent the Norlin Airlan Assemblie?

    Pey a veesit tae the wabsteid on
    www.niassembly.gov.uk
    Caa or email wi onie speirs
    See the Assemblie in plenarie session on Monandey or Tuesdey


  • #19
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    5starpool wrote: »
    No.

    Enough money is wasted in this country without getting road signs put in a language that isn't even close to an official language of the country.
    Yeah.


  • #20
    johnohanlon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭johnohanlon


    endacl wrote: »
    It surely is, hai.

    I thought it was "surely to god hi" like frostbit man

    http://youtu.be/afa62ivfobA?t=1m52s


  • #21
    Letree
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    There shouldn't even be signs in Irish. Waste of money.


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  • #22
    johnohanlon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭johnohanlon


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Yeah, that's why I mentioned when I referred to the dialects that influence the way I speak.:confused:

    I realised that I worded that last comment wrong, you see you had written "Mid Ulster English" "Scots", "Irish" and "northern English" as separate dialects, but you see "Mid Ulster English" is the umbrella term for all those dialects mixed together so really it is not a dialect in itself, it is a collection of dialects grouped together to form the Ulster accent, more notably the west Ulster accent.


  • #23
    Deranged96
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    Letree wrote: »
    There shouldn't even be signs in Irish. Waste of money.

    Its a sad day when culture is let die for the sake of money


  • #24
    calanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭calanus


    yeah yeah.... whatever you say Willie Frazer


  • #25
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    So people who speak with a northern twang, suddenly are speaking in another language altogether? Ulster-scots me boll!x. Just sh1te talk from warped unionists trying to be difficult


  • #26
    Ostrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    Deranged96 wrote: »
    Its a sad day when culture is let die for the sake of money

    Seeing the enthusiasm for Irish since I moved to Belfast has made the southern hatred seem all the more pathetic.


  • #27
    johnohanlon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭johnohanlon


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    So people who speak with a northern twang, suddenly are speaking in another language altogether? Ulster-scots me boll!x. Just sh1te talk from warped unionists trying to be difficult

    It is a dialect associated with orange heritage and there are many orange people in Donegal apparently


  • #28
    lulu1
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    Jake1 wrote: »
    ''Paging The Backwards Man to After Hours, paging Backwards Man''
    :D

    He is away walking backwards to the pub :D


  • #29
    Patty O Furniture
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Patty O Furniture


    Letree wrote: »
    There shouldn't even be signs in Irish. Waste of money.

    Beidh mhuineach ort! :eek::D


  • #30
    Banjoxed
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    The older generation here spoke what they called "the Scotch" - "thon" for that, "starved" for cold and so on, but what's left in this end of Donegal is closer to a Weegie (Glasgow) accent. Both Donegal and the Clyde influence each other in how we speak. But adding a third line of signage, no, no point to that. Better for Ulster-Scots enthusiasts to protect their "kist o' wurds" by recording and preserving their dialect than to pretend that it is a living language. It's worth keeping it, but not worth reviving it.


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  • #31
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    johnohanlon wrote: »
    It is a dialect associated with orange heritage and there are many orange people in Donegal apparently

    Ye a dialect isn't a language, Irish is. It's not like for like. Unionists only became interested in this part of their "heritage" for the sake of it, when nationalist parties were trying to get more people to learn Irish, hence just to be difficult.

    It's like saying road signs in Kerry should read the way the words sound when spoken down there and start calling it a new language


  • #32
    1357
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    Ah here! Leave 'r ouh!


  • #33
    Banjoxed
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    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Ye a dialect isn't a language, Irish is. It's not like for like. Unionists only became interested in this part of their "heritage" for the sake of it, when nationalist parties were trying to get more people to learn Irish, hence just to be difficult.

    It's like saying road signs in Kerry should read the way the words sound when spoken down there and start calling it a new language

    My grandmother, who did speak "The Scotch", certainly wasn't a unionist. Truth is more complicated than polemics.


  • #34
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    My grandmother, who did speak "The Scotch", certainly wasn't a unionist. Truth is more complicated than polemics.

    Both dialects, neither languages


  • #35
    The Backwards Man
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    I mine wan time I foun a tarra reek a ae gassur that was taakin balls. He reckon that way I spake wa Ulster Scots an I says ta him, away an boil her heed, tha way we take up thonder i nating lake Ulster Scots. A right wheen a us ha a dialect a er own, lake it or no. Aye surely fine rightly ya eejit


  • #36
    Letree
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    Deranged96 wrote: »
    Its a sad day when culture is let die for the sake of money

    Its been a hundred years since the foundation of the state and still most people aren't interested enough to speak the language beyond a few token words or phrases. Its a farce, what other country claims a language as their first language but doesn't bother speaking it. As far as i'm concerned its a dead language.


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  • #37
    Banjoxed
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    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    Both dialects, neither languages

    If you saw my post earlier, you'll note that I'm talking about what's now called "Ulster Scots" and I have indeed called it a dialect. I still think it's of value to study but would never call it a language and have also said its a nonsense to revive it as a spoken tongue.


  • #38
    circadian
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    johnohanlon wrote: »
    I took a spin around Inishowen the other week and I was wondering would it not be fair to have the road signs in Donegal in Ulster-Scots and Irish rather than just Irish, the two cultures should be represented should they not?

    I think you'll find the Ulster Scots accent is more common around the Laggan Valley (Ballybofey etc) than Inishowen.


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