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Bought a car on auction in UK without v5

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  • #102
    pancyk
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭pancyk


    cav93 wrote: »
    Can I just say the above is a very extortionate amount to pay someone for something that should only cost £25. Surely most people have some mate or family members with a uk or ni address who could help them out. I eventually got mine sorted and vrtd after an anxious wait. Also just to remind people in this situation the vrt are accepting vehicles as owned since the day of presentation to vrt centre only until 31st Aug. After that the old rule comes back of book vrt appointment 7 days after purchase, and have done 28 days after. So just a heads up for anyone that has had a uk vehicle for some time now is your chance

    To me extortionate is to pay few thousands @ VRT center's for a piece of paper...
    As you said - most of people will have some mate back in UK to help out, but for those who have nobody up there, 150 wont be to bad - personally i wouldn't give my address to anyone that i dont know for sad 150


  • #103
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    michael36 wrote: »
    Lads, I’m in a bit of a similar situation, got a bike last week, private seller, he’s sent off the book, I went to get it vrt’d today and said they cannot do it without the book and said to ring the dvla, the form was filed it for export, will I get anything in the post now or have I to reapply for a new v5?

    You're not going to get anything from DVLA, and so you won't be able to register it.

    Your only option is to re-register it in the UK/NI, and then re-export it all over again. Maybe your seller can accommodate you there, otherwise you'll have to find A Other Way.

    Not trying to single you out or be funny or anything, but does no-one read anything anymore ? The process for export from the UK is literally written on the V5 itself. Did neither yourself nor the seller actually look & read it ?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #104
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    steinbock123 wrote: »
    Does that mean that I can just rock up at the vrt office with no appointment at the moment and they’ll deal with me on the spot?? And also that I won’t need proof of the ferry until 31st August??
    Or am I reading that wrong?.

    Nope, you can't rock up without an appointment, and I did one lately and it took 2 weeks to get an appointment (Galway)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #105
    Ciara123mc
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Ciara123mc


    cav93 wrote: »
    Can I just say the above is a very extortionate amount to pay someone for something that should only cost £25. Surely most people have some mate or family members with a uk or ni address who could help them out. I eventually got mine sorted and vrtd after an anxious wait. Also just to remind people in this situation the vrt are accepting vehicles as owned since the day of presentation to vrt centre only until 31st Aug. After that the old rule comes back of book vrt appointment 7 days after purchase, and have done 28 days after. So just a heads up for anyone that has had a uk vehicle for some time now is your chance

    Cav93, did you have to insure and MOT in northern Ireland? I'm just off the phone with DVLA and after months of trying to get the car re-registered in the NI and getting my application rejected after 3 months with a generic reply letter they said I have to insure and MOT up north before the car can be reregistered in the UK in order to get a v5 replacement.


  • #106
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    Ciara123mc wrote: »
    Cav93, did you have to insure and MOT in northern Ireland? I'm just off the phone with DVLA and after months of trying to get the car re-registered in the NI and getting my application rejected after 3 months with a generic reply letter they said I have to insure and MOT up north before the car can be reregistered in the UK in order to get a v5 replacement.

    I don't know about the insurance but if the car is marked as exported you'll need to re-register in the UK and to do this you'll need to MoT it.

    I'm not sure how you'll re-import it though if you have no paperwork for it


  • #107
    michael36
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭michael36


    I was onto the dvla several times so far, each person I was talking to had different things to say, there is a case open about the vehicle, it’s still not processed yet , 2 weeks sent now, I was told there have started sending out the v5 of it is marked for export and name and address is filled out for new owner,said it could take 4 weeks because of the covid , just keep an eye on the post.. but also said that if it was lost in the post, it would have to be re registered up north and mot’d, and vehicle to be brought back up for the process which can take a few days.


  • #108
    michael36
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭michael36


    On the other hand 150 pounds dosent sound to bad for the v5 from that other vendor, but there is a 4-5 week turn around.


  • #109
    cav93
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭cav93


    Ciara123mc wrote: »
    Cav93, did you have to insure and MOT in northern Ireland? I'm just off the phone with DVLA and after months of trying to get the car re-registered in the NI and getting my application rejected after 3 months with a generic reply letter they said I have to insure and MOT up north before the car can be reregistered in the UK in order to get a v5 replacement.

    Basically I bought the car private back in may without v5 (silly enough I know) so I immediately filled out the v62 form using friends address, and I would say it took around 8 weeks to come back but I did receive the whole v5. In the meantime I had it insured in the south, insurancedont have an issue with this as they know most people aren't going to have the car registered to themselves until its vrtd. The car already had mot so didnt have that to worry about. Just got vrtd couple of weeks ago and now sorted, without proof of ferry or transportation etc, and still put down the proper date of sale. No extra penalty fees for being over a month which is the protocol until aug 31st.


  • #110
    cav93
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭cav93


    steinbock123 wrote: »
    Does that mean that I can just rock up at the vrt office with no appointment at the moment and they’ll deal with me on the spot?? And also that I won’t need proof of the ferry until 31st August??
    Or am I reading that wrong?.

    It worked for me without proof of ferry or transport, but you do need to book an appointment. Basically I've had the car since may and it wasnt an issue with them that I was only doing vrt couple of weeks ago. But it will be after aug 31st, according to vrt website


  • #111
    Ciara123mc
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Ciara123mc


    Isambard wrote: »
    I don't know about the insurance but if the car is marked as exported you'll need to re-register in the UK and to do this you'll need to MoT it.

    I'm not sure how you'll re-import it though if you have no paperwork for it

    Yeah trying to get it reregistered in the UK has been the problem. They want it insured and MOTed. The car has a valid MOT up until March 2021 but the MOT office won't issue a duplicate because I'm not the registered owner.

    Absolute nightmare!


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  • #112
    Ciara123mc
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Ciara123mc


    cav93 wrote: »
    Basically I bought the car private back in may without v5 (silly enough I know) so I immediately filled out the v62 form using friends address, and I would say it took around 8 weeks to come back but I did receive the whole v5. In the meantime I had it insured in the south, insurancedont have an issue with this as they know most people aren't going to have the car registered to themselves until its vrtd. The car already had mot so didnt have that to worry about. Just got vrtd couple of weeks ago and now sorted, without proof of ferry or transportation etc, and still put down the proper date of sale. No extra penalty fees for being over a month which is the protocol until aug 31st.

    Thanks for the response Cav93. My situation is unfortunately more complex!!


  • #113
    11wingnut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭11wingnut


    Can you Mot a car without any paperwork. ? Considering bringing one of mine up to an auction .as fed up waiting on v5 .. What is procedure do you need appointment ? Thanks


  • #114
    birchtree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭birchtree


    Hi All, I got myself into the same boat, where the car is marked as exported, and I haven't got the V5. Did anyone manage to get a new one by use of V62 and friend's address in UK after it has been marked as exported? I am also concerned as the car is Cat C, meaning it would need to be MOT'd before it can be registered again in UK, afaik. Then it may turn into similar case as Ciara123mc.


  • #115
    birchtree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭birchtree


    Ciara123mc wrote: »
    Yeah trying to get it reregistered in the UK has been the problem. They want it insured and MOTed. The car has a valid MOT up until March 2021 but the MOT office won't issue a duplicate because I'm not the registered owner.

    Absolute nightmare!


    Hi Ciara123mc, was your car Cat C? I wonder if some NI dealer could help? Probably would cost you a fee, but it would be less headache than organizing it all by yourself.


  • #116
    airnwater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭airnwater


    Related query ;

    A friend has a 1970s classic car , reasonably valuable UK reg . Has V5 in his name at UK address , misplaced V5 & got replacement , original later turned up. If car is reregistered here & later decide to sell in UK post brexit ,what happens ?

    Does V5 surrendered in Ireland for rereg get forwarded to UK ? This results in "export marker" with DVLA ?

    If later car returns to UK , will second V5 be ok & cars UK reg stay with car ?


  • #117
    birchtree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭birchtree


    airnwater wrote: »
    Related query ;

    A friend has a 1970s classic car , reasonably valuable UK reg . Has V5 in his name at UK address , misplaced V5 & got replacement , original later turned up. If car is reregistered here & later decide to sell in UK post brexit ,what happens ?

    Does V5 surrendered in Ireland for rereg get forwarded to UK ? This results in "export marker" with DVLA ?

    If later car returns to UK , will second V5 be ok & cars UK reg stay with car ?


    In most countries, the car needs to be taken off registration list before it is exported. But not UK, hence it is quite possible that it remains in UK registry, but don't quote me. I remember seeing a section in DVLA website for scenarios when a car returns to UK, have a browse there. I don't think anyone knows what will happen after brexit.


  • #118
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    airnwater wrote: »
    Related query ;

    A friend has a 1970s classic car , reasonably valuable UK reg . Has V5 in his name at UK address , misplaced V5 & got replacement , original later turned up. If car is reregistered here & later decide to sell in UK post brexit ,what happens ?

    Does V5 surrendered in Ireland for rereg get forwarded to UK ? This results in "export marker" with DVLA ?

    If later car returns to UK , will second V5 be ok & cars UK reg stay with car ?

    If you are thinking of that valuable registration number, it would only be transferable on an MoT'd car . He should place the number on retention before re-registering


  • #119
    I am
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭I am


    The NI dealer only gave me Section 10 and 11 - New Keeper and Export slip of the V5C so I have to apply for the full V5c with reason Lost/stolen. I only found this out at my VRT appointment in the ROI.

    Has anyone successfully tried using a Parcel Motel address on the V62 form? I could use a friend's NI address either but will their name be an issue when it comes to the VRT? Also is it suspsicous that he only gave me those 2 sections of the V5c?


  • #120
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Isambard wrote: »
    If you are thinking of that valuable registration number, it would only be transferable on an MoT'd car . He should place the number on retention before re-registering

    Oh yeah, got caught with that myself. The cherished UK number sits on my wall now and I couldn't flog it on due to that.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #121
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    i imported a car with 128p in it's number and an MoT and offered it free to a Fiat 128p owner who ummed and ahed about it so long that the MoT expired.


  • #122
    Yarisbob
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭Yarisbob


    Hi All
    Work this one out !! The scenario is a one owner 09 NI reg Merc E300 estate - Owner moved to South due to work for 3 years reregestering the car here for free. He moved back in to the north again and got a brand new NI reg as his previous one was indeed retired on the DVLA system. He moved back up about 3 years ago.

    The Tax office in NI sent him home with the Irish Tax Book as they said they didnt need it as all his details were the same as before with his old NI reg. There was no change of ownership at any stage so it was a smooth transition.

    He had the presence of mind to sign the car as off the road here before going back to NI so the car is now registered in 2 countries. He never bothered to return the Irish tax book to Shannon and the car still comes up on the NCT system, Micks Garage etc.

    I have been offerd this car and I am seriously considering it as I need a good runaround

    Am I playing with fire if I get him to sign the Irish book then I post it to Shannon, just put on the Irish reg plates, insurance NCT and tax ?

    Im still in a quandry about the V5C - Looks like I will just have to break her up and forget it


  • #123
    mustang12345
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭mustang12345


    Hi All, did anyone manage to register a UK car here without a V5C and it being classified as a permanent export on the DVLA database ? Im in that situation now unfortunately, I do have a UK address I can use but to re-register the car in the UK to get a V5C does it have to be brought back over first to MOT and Insure it ? All advise very much appreciate !!


  • #124
    jlow1
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭jlow1


    mustang12345 wrote: »
    Hi All, did anyone manage to register a UK car here without a V5C and it being classified as a permanent export on the DVLA database ? Im in that situation now unfortunately, I do have a UK address I can use but to re-register the car in the UK to get a V5C does it have to be brought back over first to MOT and Insure it ? All advise very much appreciate !!

    No it doesn't have to be brought back over for any of that.
    Fill out a V62 form with the UK address and they will get the new V5C.


  • #125
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    jlow1 wrote: »
    No it doesn't have to be brought back over for any of that.
    Fill out a V62 form with the UK address and they will get the new V5C.

    that will not work as the car is marked as exported the car will have to be re-registered in the UK and that means it has to be MoTd first.,

    It is in effect no longer registered. I'm not really sure quite how you would re-register it in the UK with no paperwork....


  • #126
    jlow1
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭jlow1


    Isambard wrote: »
    that will not work as the car is marked as exported the car will have to be re-registered in the UK and that means it has to be MoTd first.,

    It is in effect no longer registered. I'm not really sure quite how you would re-register it in the UK with no paperwork....

    Then maybe try get them to issue the export cert to the UK address?
    Are export certs gone completely now or is it just that they wont send them to addresses outside of the UK?

    I would fire off the V62 form anyway only cost you a stamp.

    Other than if Isambard is correct then you could try re-register it in the North?


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  • #127
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    jlow1 wrote: »
    Then maybe try get them to issue the export cert to the UK address?
    Are export certs gone completely now or is it just that they wont send them to addresses outside of the UK?

    I would fire off the V62 form anyway only cost you a stamp.

    Other than if Isambard is correct then you could try re-register it in the North?

    they don't issue export certs anymore. Why would they issue one to a UK address when the car isn't there any more?That's the cause of the entire problem! Read the thread.


  • #128
    jlow1
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭jlow1


    Isambard wrote: »
    they don't issue export certs anymore. Why would they issue one to a UK address when the car isn't there any more?That's the cause of the entire problem! Read the thread.

    Relax there pal only trying to help the guy, I am well aware of the thread content as I have contributed to it before to which you reared up then also iirc.

    I would try any other avenues before having to bring it back over the water or go north to reregister & MOT if you can. If you bought off a dealer I'd try to get them to rectify.


  • #129
    mustang12345
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭mustang12345


    Tks Isambard and jlow1, I was in contact with DVLA and Irish Customs, DVLA said only document available will be the V5C but car will have to be re-registered in the uk and has to be mot'd and taxed aswell before they issue the V5C , Irish Customs said without V5C they wont register it, an absolute joke so it is that DVLA wont issue an export form anymore !! looks like only option is bring back into england / NI and go through the registration process there , so so frustrating :-(


  • #130
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    mustang12345 wrote: »
    Tks Isambard and jlow1, I was in contact with DVLA and Irish Customs, DVLA said only document available will be the V5C but car will have to be re-registered in the uk and has to be mot'd and taxed aswell before they issue the V5C , Irish Customs said without V5C they wont register it, an absolute joke so it is that DVLA wont issue an export form anymore !! looks like only option is bring back into england / NI and go through the registration process there , so so frustrating :-(

    very frustrating and no sign that anyone is trying to fix this and presumably Brexit will make that less likely.

    It's my belief the export certs were stopped as an anti-fraud measure


  • #131
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    mustang12345 wrote: »
    Tks Isambard and jlow1, I was in contact with DVLA and Irish Customs, DVLA said only document available will be the V5C but car will have to be re-registered in the uk and has to be mot'd and taxed aswell before they issue the V5C , Irish Customs said without V5C they wont register it, an absolute joke so it is that DVLA wont issue an export form anymore !! looks like only option is bring back into england / NI and go through the registration process there , so so frustrating :-(

    It's not a joke.

    It's actually very simple.

    And it's written in plain English on the V5C that you do NOT send the whole document to DVLA when exporting a car, as you will need the document it to re-reg it (in the new country). The only bit you send them is the tiny section, Section 5 on current certs, Section 11 on older ones. Or just drop them a note to tell them it's exported.

    Either way, the V5 doesn't go to DVLA, and hasn't done so for exports for decades.

    Why don't people actually read the V5?

    Here it is on the current and previous V5 iterations:

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #132
    mustang12345
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭mustang12345


    Well galwaytt, if its very simple using your exact words how will i register a uk car in ireland without a V5C which i never received because the insurance company that sold it through auction never had the V5C in the first place due for whatever reason i dont know and from my knowledge its a very common issue with cars sold by insurance companies having no V5C. The permanent export form used to solve this problem until the DVLA stopped issuing it so now leaving many people with exported cars in a bad situation so forgive me for saying it again it is a joke that they have created a problem by removing this form !!


  • #133
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    I believe the reason for stopping issuing export certs was an anti-fraud measure.


  • #134
    Yarisbob
    Registered Users Posts: 128 ✭✭Yarisbob


    mustang12345 wrote: »
    Well galwaytt, if its very simple using your exact words how will i register a uk car in ireland without a V5C which i never received

    John is 100% right and is not being a nark - no V5C is a big issue

    Your only hope is to get a trusted acquaintance in the North or UK to apply for a replacement- putting the car in their name until the V5C comes - then you reg it here!

    However with the pandemic the DVLA are well cut back and also it depends on how your relationship is with the person in the UK. You might sell the car to that person

    Or just drive the car until you get grief and let the customs or Garda come up with a solution -


  • #135
    w124man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭w124man


    galwaytt wrote: »
    It's not a joke.

    It's actually very simple.

    And it's written in plain English on the V5C that you do NOT send the whole document to DVLA when exporting a car, as you will need the document it to re-reg it (in the new country). The only bit you send them is the tiny section, Section 5 on current certs, Section 11 on older ones. Or just drop them a note to tell them it's exported.

    Either way, the V5 doesn't go to DVLA, and hasn't done so for exports for decades.

    Why don't people actually read the V5?

    How come its taken 9 pages to reach this point?

    Buy a car in the UK without a V5 and you are on your own! With Brexit looming you are REALLY on your own!!!


  • #136
    11wingnut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭11wingnut


    I got a classic from Silverstone auctions and they told me after i had it here that i could apply for a nova cert.. They got another load of vehicles from the consignor (jaguar germany) and log book was was with them. it took months and car is newer than advertised, they do not care. But i have also got a I10 Hyundai that i will probably bring to a ni auction or get Someone to mot, it..


  • #137
    Redriddick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭Redriddick


    Dont want to start a new thread, an I right in saying there is no way you should buy a car with no v5.
    Classislc car for sale near me, will be 30 years old in two years. Guy has no v5, checked DVLA marked as exported.
    Now price is negotiable and I could part it out if needs be.


  • #138
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    Redriddick wrote: »
    Dont want to start a new thread, an I right in saying there is no way you should buy a car with no v5.
    Classislc car for sale near me, will be 30 years old in two years. Guy has no v5, checked DVLA marked as exported.
    Now price is negotiable and I could part it out if needs be.

    can't be registered here with no V5C. Export marker means it would have to be returned to the UK, MoTd and re-registered. Car is virtually worthless.


  • #139
    Redriddick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭Redriddick


    Isambard wrote: »
    can't be registered here with no V5C. Export marker means it would have to be returned to the UK, MoTd and re-registered. Car is virtually worthless.
    Yep that's what I thought, would be ok to part out though


  • #140
    Isambard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,795 ✭✭✭Isambard


    indeed possibly a bargain!


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