Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

OU812 · 29-09-2016 5:52pm

Quick question guys. Our house doesn't have a thermostat. the boiler is just on a timer. Will this work in that situation ?

ted1 · 29-09-2016 6:04pm

reni10 wrote: »

The Netatmo seems to take a different approach to the other ones like Nest, Tado etc. in that it replaces the timer instead of the actual existing Thermostats.

As far as I know for Nest you just swop out the existing thermostat and set your existing timer as on all the time but because it actually will only switch on once the Nest tells it to then you dont have to mess around with the existing timer hardware and is easier to setup?

It all depends on how lazy you are. Nest has its own wireless thermostat that talks to the heatlink/relay box.

By turning your existing thermostat to max you ate effectively removing it and just using the existing wiring , that's lazy

Dardania · 29-09-2016 6:21pm

OU812 wrote: »

Quick question guys. Our house doesn't have a thermostat. the boiler is just on a timer. Will this work in that situation ?

Yes - will make a big improvement too

reni10 · 29-09-2016 6:51pm

ted1 wrote: »

It all depends on how lazy you are. Nest has its own wireless thermostat that talks to the heatlink/relay box.

By turning your existing thermostat to max you ate effectively removing it and just using the existing wiring , that's lazy

Not sure I understand what you are saying here?

The plan would be to replace my existing thermostat which is exactly how Nest also works I believe and you just set the timer to always on but as it is now actually controlled by the netatmo it means will only come on when the netatmo turns it on, what is lazy about that?

Winterlong · 29-09-2016 6:56pm

This is a great bargain alert. Thanks a million OP. My system ordered!

yllw.ldbttr · 29-09-2016 6:56pm

There's a few diff ways to set this up lads. I didn't need a mobile thermostat as I have programmable TRVs on all rads (much cheaper than the Netatmo smart ones but they do the job for me). I have two other zones that i just programme with a timer (water and upstairs) but I just leave the downstairs zone set to constant /always on and replaced the dumb thermostat with the Netatmo. The netatmo thermostat then effectively has the control of that zone as the old timer/switch is always on.

reni10 · 29-09-2016 9:02pm

I just grabbed a couple of these and hopefully they work with my Echo Dot!

Kirk Van Houten · 29-09-2016 9:33pm

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Trying to figure out if this would work with my Gerkos Cosyman before pulling the trigger on this.

ThisRegard · 29-09-2016 11:25pm

reni10 wrote: »

I just grabbed a couple of these and hopefully they work with my Echo Dot!

Why more than one?

reni10 · 30-09-2016 7:23am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Why more than one?

I have 3 zones on my current heating system, 1 zone is downstairs radiators, 1 is upstairs radiators and the third zone is hot water.
So I need 2 thermostats to control both radiator zones...

sweetie · 30-09-2016 9:37am

nephster wrote: »

if you are looking for multiple zones, or you want to control hot water, this isn't for you.

But, if you have, say, a combi boiler (or don't care about warming up the water) and are OK with a single zone, it's ace.

If your home was built before 2006 and you live in Cork or Dublin, this is a better deal:
https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

Boiler service + Netatmo + installation for €85. You don't have to be with Energia to get it.

We got this done last year - our apartment didn't have a thermostat so we no longer have to go in the hot press to boost the heating on - and have found it great. I can even turn on the heating using my Pebble smartwatch

How long does it take for Energia to get in touch usually? I filled out the details on 26th.

JDxtra · 30-09-2016 9:55am

With the Energia deal, I'm a bit suspiciuous of one of the terms..

In consideration of Energia (or its agent(s) or Subcontractor(s)) supplying and installing the
Netatmo Thermostat, Energia is entitled to any energy credits attributable to the installation
of the Netatmo Thermostat at your Premises under SEAI’s Better Energy Scheme or any
replacement or similar scheme pursuant to Directive 2012/27/EU of the European Parliament
and of the Council of 25 October 2012 on energy efficiency

Does that mean that should you decide to upgrade your heating in the future, you will not be able to avail of a second grant?

Pique · 30-09-2016 11:45am

JDxtra wrote: »

With the Energia deal, I'm a bit suspiciuous of one of the terms..

In consideration of Energia (or its agent(s) or Subcontractor(s)) supplying and installing the
Netatmo Thermostat, Energia is entitled to any energy credits attributable to the installation
of the Netatmo Thermostat at your Premises under SEAI s Better Energy Scheme or any
replacement or similar scheme pursuant to Directive 2012/27/EU of the European Parliament
and of the Council of 25 October 2012 on energy efficiency

Does that mean that should you decide to upgrade your heating in the future, you will not be able to avail of a second grant?

It means that you can't avail of the grant for upgrading the heating system controls as you've already done it. Energia are providing the Netatmo and applying for the grant on your behalf.

It's a common practise. Companies take on this role as a sort of one-stop shop and arrange the upgrade of your energy system/insulation etc and claim the CO2 credits or grants or both and you pay them the costs of the work. They make things simple and streamlined for you and in return they get the Green Credits for saving x Kg of CO2. These can be sold (I think they still can) or traded to companies who are in danger of breaching their CO2 limits and need more credits.

Rockin · 30-09-2016 12:00pm

Pique wrote: »

It means that you can't avail of the grant for upgrading the heating system controls as you've already done it. Energia are providing the Netatmo and applying for the grant on your behalf.

It's a common practise. Companies take on this role as a sort of one-stop shop and arrange the upgrade of your energy system/insulation etc and claim the CO2 credits or grants or both and you pay them the costs of the work. They make things simple and streamlined for you and in return they get the Green Credits for saving x Kg of CO2. These can be sold (I think they still can) or traded to companies who are in danger of breaching their CO2 limits and need more credits.

Would it not make more sense for people who need more than one netatmo for their setup to claim the credit from SEAI themselves so?

Pique · 30-09-2016 12:57pm

Actually yes it would, but there are hoops to jump through, and if you are just looking for the Netatmo, then Energia is a handy route.
I see the SEAI are offering up to 600 for upgrading heating controls. What it doesn't say is if you can do this in stages (ie, claim 100 at a time over 6 phases).
You also need a BER assessment (for which there is a grant of 50) before any grant is paid. The BER grant is only paid once, so doing it in phases would be more expensive.
Finally, the work has to be done by a registered installer (who you also have to pay).

All in all, if you're just getting the Netatmo to replace the old style timer, I reckon Energia is the easiest way to go.

I have zero affiliation with any company involved, fwiw.

pilly · 30-09-2016 1:02pm

Anyone know if these work with oil boilers?

reni10 · 30-09-2016 1:12pm

So if I buy 2 of these to replace my existing wired Thermostats can I avail of the SEAI grant?

Dr.Winston O'Boogie · 30-09-2016 2:12pm

sweetie wrote: »

How long does it take for Energia to get in touch usually? I filled out the details on 26th.

I filled mine out on the 28th and still no word also. Has anyone asked for contact and got it?

Winterlong · 30-09-2016 2:16pm

pilly wrote: »

Anyone know if these work with oil boilers?

Yeah, they should. If you go to their web page they have a compatibility questionaire that should help you.

sweetie · 30-09-2016 2:25pm

Dr.Winston O'Boogie wrote: »

I filled mine out on the 28th and still no word also. Has anyone asked for contact and got it?

They rang me after this morning and scheduled (service and check if i'm suited) for thursday.

pilly · 30-09-2016 3:02pm

Winterlong wrote: »

Yeah, they should. If you go to their web page they have a compatibility questionaire that should help you.

Ah it looks quite complicated to me now.

Zilog · 03-10-2016 1:34pm

pilly wrote: »

Ah it looks quite complicated to me now.

If you're any ways comfortable (and safe!) with electricity, this is easy to fit. For the boiler it basically just works like an on/off switch.

If you can't wire a plug or socket, then the DIY install isn't for you!

Zilog · 03-10-2016 1:37pm

By the way, I got an Amazon Echo and the Netatmo works perfectly with it!
I have two thermostats ('Hall' and 'Living Room').

"Alexa, set temperature to 21 degrees"
She replies "Which thermostat?"
"Living room"
Almost instantly the stat changes to 21 degrees.
I've the stats set up that after a manual change they fall back to normal programme after 1 hour. This is configurable within the smartphone app.

reni10 · 03-10-2016 2:23pm

Zilog wrote: »

By the way, I got an Amazon Echo and the Netatmo works perfectly with it!
I have two thermostats ('Hall' and 'Living Room').

"Alexa, set temperature to 21 degrees"
She replies "Which thermostat?"
"Living room"
Almost instantly the stat changes to 21 degrees.
I've the stats set up that after a manual change they fall back to normal programme after 1 hour. This is configurable within the smartphone app.

Excellent, looking forward to receiving my 2 Netatmo's! And the Echo Dot in a few weeks!

Also just grabbed a Harmony Hub and Remote to enable voice features for turning on the TV etc.

Next I have to grab the Philips Hue lights!

deiselad · 03-10-2016 3:07pm

Hi @ThisRegard, any chance you could explain how you replaced the timer switch with the relay? I have the exact same switch, but I'm struggling to figure out how to wire the relay component in place of the timer switch. On my timer switch it has Live (Brown) and Neutral (Blue) going in from the mains to the switch and out of the switch, to the boiler. Can't figure out how to wire in the relay?
Thanks in advance for any input!

OU812 · 03-10-2016 3:31pm

Anyone not get contacted by them? I registered last week and have heard nothing yet. Called them earlier and they couldn't find any record of me.

Wouldn't take my details, said it has t be through the website (which I'd already done and didn't work apparently)

bk · 03-10-2016 3:42pm

reni10 wrote: »

Also just grabbed a Harmony Hub and Remote to enable voice features for turning on the TV etc.

FYI, The Harmony Hub only has very limited support with the Amazon Echo at the moment. Only Turn TV/Activity On and OFF. No mute/play/pause/volume up/down, etc.

Rumour has it that official support is being worked on at the moment, but no sign yet.

flyandrain · 03-10-2016 3:48pm

tallpaul wrote: »

Multizone is likely to be rolled out here by Bord Gais with the Hive Thermostat system that they sell. It was developed by British Gas and also links into lights, security and plugs. Multizone is already available in the UK and should be coming here soon enough.

https://www.britishgas.co.uk/products-and-services/hive-active-heating.html

https://www.hivehome.ie/how-to-buy

Hive Active Heating™ is available in Ireland for €299, including kit and installation.

Phibsboro · 03-10-2016 4:05pm

OU812 wrote: »

Anyone not get contacted by them? I registered last week and have heard nothing yet. Called them earlier and they couldn't find any record of me.

Wouldn't take my details, said it has t be through the website (which I'd already done and didn't work apparently)

Same here, registered last week, no word yet. Do you redo the registration when they said they had no record of you?

ThisRegard · 03-10-2016 4:13pm

deiselad wrote: »

Hi @ThisRegard, any chance you could explain how you replaced the timer switch with the relay? I have the exact same switch, but I'm struggling to figure out how to wire the relay component in place of the timer switch. On my timer switch it has Live (Brown) and Neutral (Blue) going in from the mains to the switch and out of the switch, to the boiler. Can't figure out how to wire in the relay?
Thanks in advance for any input!

Being honest I ended up getting it done by Energia as we needed a boiler service anyway. But I did check it out afterwards and it looked to be a straightforward swap for the analogue timer to the relay. I have the relay fastened down now with super strength adhesive as it kept popping off so I can't actually remove it to check, sorry.

Doodah7 · 03-10-2016 4:15pm

flyandrain wrote: »

Hive Active Heating™ is available in Ireland for €299, including kit and installation.

Thanks but I know that. The multi-zone functionality is not yet according to the rep I spoke to on the phone. He advised that it was 'coming soon and not to buy this product if this function is important to you'.

Winterlong · 03-10-2016 4:19pm

deiselad wrote: »

Hi @ThisRegard, any chance you could explain how you replaced the timer switch with the relay? I have the exact same switch, but I'm struggling to figure out how to wire the relay component in place of the timer switch. On my timer switch it has Live (Brown) and Neutral (Blue) going in from the mains to the switch and out of the switch, to the boiler. Can't figure out how to wire in the relay?
Thanks in advance for any input!

I have not received mine yet to advise, but I know that the relay will take the neutral and live input and will have a live output. Which is what I have on my timer (that I plan to replace with the relay) .
I am not sure where the neutral output goes without seeing the connections.
Perhaps take a photo and try posting here, or get on to the netamo helpdesk and they can advise you. I doubt your set up is too unusual and should be easy to solve.

deiselad · 03-10-2016 4:23pm

@ThisRegards, thanks for the reply.

Is there anyone else that can help with my question?

How to Replace existing timer switch (Immermat) with Relay?

Existing Setup
Live and Neutral into timer switch, and Live and Neutral out from timer switch. No existing thermostat.
Power to Firebird oil boiler.

Sorry I can't post picture as I don't have access to do so!

Any help appreciated !

ted1 · 03-10-2016 4:34pm

flyandrain wrote: »

Hive Active Heating™ is available in Ireland for €299, including kit and installation.

Hive have also added light bulbs similar to the Philips hue to their range

bootser · 03-10-2016 5:05pm

For people out there self installing this kit, if your setup is like mine where the timer switch brings on the boiler(115w) and the circulating pump(45-65w) directly, you will be overloading the switch rating on the relay(120w)!

viking · 03-10-2016 7:11pm

Installed this today and was pretty straightforward once I checked the boiler's installation manual.

Only one gripe, after following the instructions and using the double sided pad to stick it to the wall, it turns out that I needed to connect the relay by USB to my laptop in order for it to connect to my wifi. Meant I had to take it off the wall and then once setup on the wifi I had to scrape off the remaining sticky stuff and find another sticky pad to use in place of the original. A simple note in the instructions would have saved me a little hassle.

flyandrain · 03-10-2016 8:36pm

tallpaul wrote: »

flyandrain wrote: »

Hive Active Heating is available in Ireland for 299, including kit and installation.

Thanks but I know that. The multi-zone functionality is not yet according to the rep I spoke to on the phone. He advised that it was 'coming soon and not to buy this product if this function is important to you'.

Thanks for telling me about that , I nearly place the order for that , because of mutilzone features:-

Pique · 03-10-2016 10:51pm

viking wrote:

Only one gripe, after following the instructions and using the double sided pad to stick it to the wall, it turns out that I needed to connect the relay by USB to my laptop in order for it to connect to my wifi. Meant I had to take it off the wall and then once setup on the wifi I had to scrape off the remaining sticky stuff and find another sticky pad to use in place of the original. A simple note in the instructions would have saved me a little hassle.

Or a longer USB lead

Phibsboro · 04-10-2016 2:31pm

Got a call today to organise the service. Annoyingly, the boiler service guy wouldn't install the netamo, he just confirms the boiler is compatible and the netamo install is done later.

OU812 · 04-10-2016 3:27pm

Phibsboro wrote: »

Got a call today to organise the service. Annoyingly, the boiler service guy wouldn't install the netamo, he just confirms the boiler is compatible and the netamo install is done later.

When did you register ? How long between you filling out the form & then calling you? I still haven't heard anything yet

arikv · 04-10-2016 9:48pm

Can someone please query when is multi zone be available with the service (with the installer or Energia)?
Thanks

Phibsboro · 04-10-2016 9:59pm

OU812 wrote: »

When did you register ? How long between you filling out the form & then calling you? I still haven't heard anything yet

They didn't actually send out an email confirmation of me filling in the form so I'm not sure, but about a week? Note that I the boiler service for this week so they are not out the door (assuming the actual device installation is as quick!)

viking · 05-10-2016 11:51am

Pique wrote: »

Or a longer USB lead

The usb socket is inside the relay which is covered by the connector that has the wire leading to your boiler. I couldn't get to it without taking the relay off the wall and disconnecting the connector

Tony · 05-10-2016 12:48pm

Just got the service done from energia and the service engineer told me the netamo is usually fitted within a week.

bk · 05-10-2016 2:16pm

For those interested in getting the newer Smartphone (siri compatible) model, Amazon have a pretty great bundle deal of the Netatamo Thermostat Smart model + Amazon Echo Dot for £149:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01LW958A0/

As the Netatmo Thermostat Smart model normally cost £140 on it's own and an Amazon Echo Dot costs £50, you are basically getting £40 off.

ThisRegard · 05-10-2016 2:18pm

Is it worth reading through the Echo thread? In another thread on boards I saw it briefly mention that it was a disappointment in Ireland?

bk · 05-10-2016 3:27pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Is it worth reading through the Echo thread? In another thread on boards I saw it briefly mention that it was a disappointment in Ireland?

I love it and my OH has also fallen in love with it and would now murder me if I was to sell it now!

I think it depends on what your usage is and what your expectations are.

If you are a spotify premium or Amazon Prime music user, then I think the Echo or Dot are well worth it. It is spotify premium usage in the living room/kitchen that my OH has fallen in love with. The place is always full of music.

Also if you have a lot of home automation tech (e.g. Philips Hue lights, Netatmo Thermostat, Logitech Harmony, etc.) then it can do a great job of controlling those in a pleasant and convenient manner.

However if you don't have any of the above, then it probably isn't worth it as just a fancy bluetooth speaker. At least for now.

As for support for Ireland. Actually most stuff that works in the UK also works in Ireland. There are only one or two areas of difference:

You can't just say "Alexa, what is the weather like", you have to say, "Alexa, what is the weather like in Dublin". A whole two extra words!

Also the question "Alexa, what is the traffic like on my commute", likely only works in Dublin for now and not anywhere else in the country.

But that is all, pretty much everything else seems to work.

bk · 05-10-2016 3:30pm

Actually just thinking about it. We also use it a lot for timers (cooking). And for adding items to a family shared todo list and shopping list. They seem like small things, but handy all the same.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie · 05-10-2016 3:53pm

Got the call today, about a week since sending in the form. Annoying the way the netamato is installed at a later date. Real stinger as well if they come out and find out it can't be installed. But here's hoping everything is ok to install.

ThisRegard · 05-10-2016 6:18pm

The first guy that comes out to do the service checks if your system is compatible with it, no point sending out an electrician with the plumber/gas guy if the electrician can't do anything.

Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

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