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*Spoilers* UFC 99 Discussion

  • 13-06-2009 8:40pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭


    Davis v Hardy just finished, i don't think i've ever been so annoyed after a fight. It was close, i just wanted Davis to shut that little **** up!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Beer is Life


    Yea I was sickened with that decision. Marcus seemed tense during the fight, shouldn't have let Hardy get to him mentally the way he did


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Yeah you're right. It was all on that big elbow i think. It was 1-1 with Marcus controlling the 3rd until approx 2:20. Then everything went belly up!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Beer is Life


    Come on Mirko!


  • Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This fight is gonna be great! Cro-Cop ftw.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Beer is Life


    Good win for Crocop. Pity about the eye poke, kinda takes the shine off it. He had Al-turk rocked anyway. Crocop looked very dangerous in there, hope he goes on to bigger and better things in the UFC from here


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Not liking this show at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I agree, it's not a great card at all!

    Al Turk is a disgrace to the UFC. The guy is embarrassing. He moves like Frankenstein. These guys are supposed to be Mixed Martial Artists.

    COME ON VALASQUEZ!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    MrStuffins wrote: »

    COME ON VALASQUEZ!!

    But can he survive Kongo's excellent ground game :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Nice string bikini Kongo is sporting


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Spaco


    Valasquez is killing him. But how many times can you mount and not finish a fight. But he's starting every round well. But he's gassed


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    Valasquez ground and pound is like Nick Diaz's stand up.

    I think with a better game and a longer training camp Kongo could have taken it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Beer is Life


    I'm very surprised Cain couldn't finish the fight with all the ground control he had. Congo took a big beating though, he got messed up. Surprised how bad his defensive ground game was.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Valasquez ground and pound is like Nick Diaz's stand up.

    Good analogy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Kingo looked close to being finished at the end of the 3rd.

    Really disappointing card and as exciting and the UFC wanna tell people this fight is going to be, it's gonna be either....

    1) Rich connects, Wanderlei goes to sleep

    2) Wandi connects, Rich shakes it off, takes Wando down, drunk Germans boo alot.............

    :(

    How unbelievable is it that Rich is 2 years older that Wandi?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭blackgold>>


    Rich Franklin has it already!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    This fight would be so exciting if these guys werent so tired.

    I wonder is Franklin seill doing that crazy workout with that nut case Vietnam Vet? If not maybe he needs to go back!

    Wandi had to cut 12 lbs yesterday, terrible!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Fair result, the crowd dont like it!

    Why isnt Buffer saying the judges scores?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭blackgold>>


    This fight would be so exciting if these guys werent so tired.

    I wonder is Franklin seill doing that crazy workout with that nut case Vietnam Vet? If not maybe he needs to go back!

    Wandi had to cut 12 lbs yesterday, terrible!
    Couldn't agree more.But how do you go about doing that at age 35.:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Couldn't agree more.But how do you go about doing that at age 35.:D

    Fight in Japan :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    rovert wrote: »
    Fight in Japan :p

    Wandi, Bob Sapp and Jose Conseco in a Triple Threat match!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Fair result, the crowd dont like it!

    Why isnt Buffer saying the judges scores?

    That was annoying me too..Id assume each of them scored it 29-28 to Rich.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    damn what happened to this card!! it looked real good on paper..

    Davies v hardy didnt really live up to the hype.. It was close though and could have gone either way.. Judged under the ufc scoring criteria I think Davies edged it..

    Uno v Fisher was really boring.

    Wanderlei looked shot. He hasnt been the same fighter since the owgp. I still think he won the fight though.

    Cain v Kongo was the one saving grace for me on this card. An exciting fight with alot of heart and different skills shown.

    This card really pales in comparison to the last wec event and strikeforce..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭Seifer


    Very disappointing card alright. Maybe I was expecting too much from it.
    I wonder though, if Davis had smashed Hardy in the opening fight, would it have made for a more enjoyable night as a whole?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Yeah you're right. It was all on that big elbow i think. It was 1-1 with Marcus controlling the 3rd until approx 2:20. Then everything went belly up!

    Yeah I think that one elbow and the fact that Davis' nose pumped blood after it basically won Hardy the fight. All the blood swayed the judges I think.

    I had it level going into the final round but I still had Davis just about edging the last round. He knocked Hardy down early and then tried about 4 or 5 sub attempts in a row with Hardy defending desperately. Hardy got on top then for the final 2 minutes and landed that one big elbow that got him the decision.

    That said it was such a close fight it's hard to complain about the decision. Could have gone either way.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,193 ✭✭✭Turd Ferguson


    Am I the only one glad that Hardy won? I really dont like Marcus Davis. There is just something about him that irritates me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Am I the only one glad that Hardy won? I really dont like Marcus Davis. There is just something about him that irritates me.

    Yeah i called Hardy to win after the fight was announced, happy he won it too.

    I like the guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭mcdermott


    what do you call the big massive tall fella? I was watching the weigh ins and he was fighting a smaller fella..they had a bit of a pushing session at the weigh in. cant mind his name but i think it looked like it would have been a good fight...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    I thought davis won, it was close though, he's my favourite fighter so maybe im biased!!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭SuperWoody101


    mcdermott wrote: »
    what do you call the big massive tall fella? I was watching the weigh ins and he was fighting a smaller fella..they had a bit of a pushing session at the weigh in. cant mind his name but i think it looked like it would have been a good fight...

    That was Stefan Struve. He was the one that left all the blood in the ring, he got big cut in round one but came back to win the fight in round 2 (It was one of the best comebacks ever) the crowd went crazy as did I.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I agree, it's not a great card at all!

    Al Turk is a disgrace to the UFC. The guy is embarrassing. He moves like Frankenstein. These guys are supposed to be Mixed Martial Artists.

    COME ON VALASQUEZ!!

    It was an amazing card what are you talking about, and the prelims were great


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭SuperWoody101


    cowzerp wrote: »
    I thought davis won, it was close though, he's my favourite fighter so maybe im biased!!

    As much as I hate to say it the right man won on the night, I felt so bad for Davis and you could tell Hardy's trash talking etc... got to him. I was talking to Mark Dellagrotte a few hours after the event and he said that Marcus thinks he left all hes fans down. Marcus was not at the after party.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    That was Stefan Struve. He was the one that left all the blood in the ring, he got big cut in round one but came back to win the fight in round 2 (It was one of the best comebacks ever) the crowd went crazy as did I.


    I met him in his locker room just before the fight, it was great, hes quiet and very young looking, i was cheering for him all the way and i was happy he finished the fight after that big cut, i dont like stonjic at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭SuperWoody101


    Tones69 wrote: »
    I met him in his locker room just before the fight, it was great, hes quiet and very young looking, i was cheering for him all the way and i was happy he finished the fight after that big cut, i dont like stonjic at all

    I seen Stefan fight at UFC 95 and he was **** and I thought he was going to be **** again last night, he took one hell of a beaten but never gave up, he won my respect for that, I meet him at the after party and you are right, he looks so young and is very quiet, just like John Hathaway (who is a very nice guy)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭mcdermott


    That was Stefan Struve. He was the one that left all the blood in the ring, he got big cut in round one but came back to win the fight in round 2 (It was one of the best comebacks ever) the crowd went crazy as did I.

    cheers mate. must get a look at that fight. I was working last night so I missed it, i think its being shown again tonight on setanta at 11


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭SuperWoody101


    mcdermott wrote: »
    cheers mate. must get a look at that fight. I was working last night so I missed it, i think its being shown again tonight on setanta at 11

    I don't think that fight made it onto TV.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭SuperWoody101


    As much as I hate to say it the right man won on the night, I felt so bad for Davis and you could tell Hardy's trash talking etc... got to him. I was talking to Mark Dellagrotte a few hours after the event and he said that Marcus thinks he left all hes fans down. Marcus was not at the after party.

    Ok, after watching this fight on TV I now think Davis won that fight, guess the blood won it for Hardy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭t-ha


    Haven't seen the prelims but I thought it was a great show, especially the main event. Wanderlei is awesome! Good to see him get his clinch on again too, even if only for two seconds.

    Was a bit frustrated by Kongo. I thought he had a clear advantage standing and a clear disadvantage in bottom position, but yet he insisted on staying clinched up with Valasquez instead of moving back and striking from round 1 through to round 3.

    Good to see Mirko finally pull the trigger this time, pity about the eye-poke.

    Didn't really want Hardy to win, but he definitely deserved it based on damage done. Davis' face was rearranged by the end of the third. Davis probably controlled more of the fight though. Guess damage done is (rightfully) more important?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    t-ha wrote: »
    Guess damage done is (rightfully) more important?

    You sound like BJ dude!:D


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    No way was that a unanimous deicison for Ace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    jayteecork wrote: »
    No way was that a unanimous deicison for Ace.

    Who do you think won the fight??

    I hate people that say, "Yes, I think Franklin won but I dont think it should have been unanimous" !!!!

    Quiet annoying. If you think that Franklin won, all three judges agreed with you


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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭jayteecork


    Thought Silva won the last two rounds - as Rogan said he caused way more damage - shouldn't that be the main criterion for winning a round?

    What did Rich offer in the last 2 rounds? A puny takedown. And a kick in the balls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    jayteecork wrote: »
    Thought Silva won the last two rounds - as Rogan said he caused way more damage - shouldn't that be the main criterion for winning a round?

    What did Rich offer in the last 2 rounds? A puny takedown. And a kick in the balls.

    obviusly all judges scored the first and second to Rich. Which makes them all 29-28 therefore unanimous

    EDIT: Just looked on WIKI there.,,2 judges scored it 30-27 the other 29-28..Still, im not surprised..Franklin was in no trouble at any stage of the match


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Nothingcompares


    if the first round was 4.15 i would score it a 10-8 to davis. but in the last 45 seconds hardy got up off the ground and turned it around, almost drawing it but you'd have to give the first round 10-9 to davis.

    Again, 2nd round is hard to judge. You have to give it to Hardy because he dropped him with the knee. Davis is walking into the punches a la Wandy and eating them up so he can throw his own. Hardy, like Franklin, is just staying out of the brawl and using his reach. DAvis got the take downs and the submission attempts. I think if you're DAvis biased you could call it a 9-9 but I think the impact of the knockdown would sneak it a 10-9 hardly.

    First half of third round belonged to Davis with the knock down punch and the control on the ground. But the tide turned when he allowed himself to be taken down. He caught that elbow, bloodied himself up and looked totally wrecked by the end of the fight. While Hardy looked like he'd only had a few rounds of sparring.

    IT's very very close but I think Davis has better clinch, better ground but didn't implement the better game plan and came off the worst of the big exchanges so I can understand the decision.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭dunkamania


    Havent seen the undercard yet, but the main card was overall disappointing.

    It was very frustrating watching Kongo clinching with Cain in the third round. Felt cain should have been able to finish aswell.

    As much as I would liked to have seen him lose, I cant dispute the Hardy decision.

    The Crocop fight was a shmables, the eyepoke was just nasty. Al Turk was outmatched anyway, but that fight was just depressing.

    The main event fight was really exciting, unfortunately the fight was ruined on me by somebody telling me the result beforehand. :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Jason Mc


    Hardy beat Davis, his face was a mess and Davis acted like a teenage cock IMO.


    Cro-Cop was unimpressive. Flat footed and slow.

    Cain should have gone for the armbar on about 15 occasions. His GNP was worse than Randy's


    And silva is not the man he once was. The old wandy would not have gassed after 5 minutes. The guy that played footie with sakuraba was not the same guy that was in that ring. I think running the centre has taken away his single minded doggedness


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Main event was scored 30-27, 30-27, 29-28 for Franklin

    :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    rovert wrote: »
    Main event was scored 30-27, 30-27, 29-28 for Franklin

    :eek:

    Yup.. i said that a couple of posts before you...

    Do you think Franklin won?..I gave it 29-28 to Rich..the first to rounds to him


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    callaway92 wrote: »
    Yup.. i said that a couple of posts before you...

    Do you think Franklin won?..I gave it 29-28 to Rich..the first to rounds to him

    Nice edit :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    rovert wrote: »
    Nice edit :p

    I edited it yesterday at 22:17 ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Fight stats out on the Davies v hardy fight.

    It has Davies winning via the 10 point must system but Hardy winning by their stats.

    Take a look..

    http://fightmetric.com/fights/Hardy-Davis.html


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