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lipso · 26-01-2020 8:57pm

In my 20s I rode small mbikes. Since then cars, but thought about a small bike 50 to 125cc to go to work in the good weather months.
Is Tax about €60 per year?
Can insurance be got for 6 months?
How much would insurance be?
Do I have to get a separate mbike licence and do basic training before I can go on the road?

IrishGrimReaper · 26-01-2020 10:28pm

lipso wrote: »

In my 20s I rode small mbikes. Since then cars, but thought about a small bike 50 to 125cc to go to work in the good weather months.
Is Tax about €60 per year?
Can insurance be got for 6 months?
How much would insurance be?
Do I have to get a separate mbike licence and do basic training before I can go on the road?

Is Tax about €60 per year? - Tax will be no more than €88 - smaller CC bike will probably be bit cheaper.

Can insurance be got for 6 months? - No.

How much would insurance be? - No one knows and it varies. I paid around 500 as a 29 year old on a 03 Honda Varadero 125cc in Galway City.

Do I have to get a separate mbike licence and do basic training before I can go on the road? - For the 125cc yes.

lipso · 27-01-2020 8:53pm

What about a 100cc,can it be driven on a car licence?

airhead_eire · 27-01-2020 9:07pm

lipso wrote: »

What about a 100cc,can it be driven on a car licence?

No.

enrique66_35 · 28-01-2020 10:21am

lipso wrote: »

What about a 100cc,can it be driven on a car licence?

If you're referring to the AM class on car licences first granted pre-Oct 06 that's a 50cc max moped only. Need to go through the theory test->learner permit->IBT route to legally ride anything above that.

Mjolnir · 28-01-2020 9:23pm

lipso wrote: »

In my 20s I rode small mbikes. Since then cars, but thought about a small bike 50 to 125cc to go to work in the good weather months.
Is Tax about €60 per year?
Can insurance be got for 6 months?
How much would insurance be?
Do I have to get a separate mbike licence and do basic training before I can go on the road?

Tax on a 125cc is €67
No unless you cancel 6 months in then you'll never build a ncb, and if its stolen or damaged though sh*t.
How long is a piece of string, if you've dealt with insurance companies before you know no one can tell you, ring around and find out.
Old AM I think it was only covers upto 50cc mopeds that have a speed restriction.
Yup, theory test -> permit -> ibt ->insure and ride.

madbev90210 · 31-01-2020 10:04pm

Hey guys,

Is anyone on here an instructor..and available? I have been let down by 2 in the last few weeks and really need to get out with someone who can advise me ie watch me and see where i can improve (which I imagine is alot

) and just "fine tuning" riding in general.

Been watching lots on Youtube but really feel I need to get out with someone in the know and am now apprehensive of googling another instructor, only to be told they are too busy and when it comes to the day before my lesson they cancel

I liked the lads at Airport driving school, where I completed my IBT, but as a learner, cannot drive out there to get a lesson on my bike!

howardmarks · 31-01-2020 10:41pm

madbev90210 wrote: »

Hey guys,

Is anyone on here an instructor..and available? I have been let down by 2 in the last few weeks and really need to get out with someone who can advise me ie watch me and see where i can improve (which I imagine is alot ) and just "fine tuning" riding in general.

Been watching lots on Youtube but really feel I need to get out with someone in the know and am now apprehensive of googling another instructor, only to be told they are too busy and when it comes to the day before my lesson they cancel

I liked the lads at Airport driving school, where I completed my IBT, but as a learner, cannot drive out there to get a lesson on my bike!

Any reason you can't ride to the airport driving school?

madbev90210 · 31-01-2020 10:57pm

howardmarks wrote: »

Any reason you can't ride to the airport driving school?

I can't go on the M50 as a learner...

howardmarks · 01-02-2020 12:09am

madbev90210 wrote: »

I can't go on the M50 as a learner...

I figured that was the reason. Maybe I'm missing something but there's non motorway routes.
Especially If you found them good and are struggling to find another instructor.

When I was trying to arrange IBT I found a lot of the instructors hard to pin down for dates but in my case I had limited time and a specific date.
Probably not being helpful to you here, sorry.

zubair · 01-02-2020 1:34am

I can only vouch for Mick and he's out of action at the moment as far as I know.

When I started out after finishing my IBT, I just went for a spin every evening around the town and ring roads that I knew. Get some practice in while you wait to get an instructor sorted. I made the most improvements when I joined group spins so keep an eye out for a group.

madbev90210 · 01-02-2020 10:42pm

zubair wrote: »

I can only vouch for Mick and he's out of action at the moment as far as I know.

When I started out after finishing my IBT, I just went for a spin every evening around the town and ring roads that I knew. Get some practice in while you wait to get an instructor sorted. I made the most improvements when I joined group spins so keep an eye out for a group.

Will do, thanks!

Cork Trucker · 03-02-2020 12:34pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Mick has a lady doing work for him and she was brilliant for me when I did the pre-test with her. Would recommend her.

I met the lady when i was doing my rider assessment last year, she is more than capable, Mick will always ensure his students are in the best of hands if he is not in a position to do so himself, the fact alone that i travelled from Cork to Kildare is testament of the man. I hope he gets well soon.Mick Smyth is also working alongside him is a joint venture they both have.

nigeldaniel · 11-02-2020 11:22am

Ye Gods I am having no luck at all with trying to get my test done. 4th time it had to be put off on account of the weather and I am starting to feel something has jinxed me! Its nearly 12 months now since I first put in todo the test.

zubair · 11-02-2020 12:10pm

nigeldaniel wrote: »

Ye Gods I am having no luck at all with trying to get my test done. 4th time it had to be put off on account of the weather and I am starting to feel something has jinxed me! Its nearly 12 months now since I first put in todo the test.

You should get an honourary pass for that.

LollipopJimmy · 12-02-2020 6:26pm

Just about to book IBT myself. I've had loads of recommendations for Aaron Rider training but with them being booked way out it will mean at least the end of March before I'm on the road. I'm thinking of just getting it done anyway and then reverting to Aaron after for lessons.

Taylor365 · 12-02-2020 7:12pm

Test coming up soon with expired IBT?

Best plan of action?

madbev90210 · 13-02-2020 10:31pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Just about to book IBT myself. I've had loads of recommendations for Aaron Rider training but with them being booked way out it will mean at least the end of March before I'm on the road. I'm thinking of just getting it done anyway and then reverting to Aaron after for lessons.

Good luck getting anyone to give you lessons.. or even getting back to you :rolleyes:

nigeldaniel · 14-02-2020 2:09pm

The whole thing is starting to grind my gears in the family guy way. My 4th test which was due on Tuesday was off on account of the weather and yesterday I got a letter from the RSA says I never turned up and my fee is forfeit. I sent 4 emails since Monday about it and still not a word back. I also agree with some other posters that IBT can be tricky as most bike schools are weekends run and the instructors don't have the time for it on account of jobs. Biking can be a tricky ol thing and lots of patience is required. Maybe I will be less grumpy for the weekend

Rant over.
Happy Val's day everyone else.

zubair · 14-02-2020 3:06pm

There seems to be a school in tallaght somewhere but don't know the name of them, often see them buzzing around the place during the week. Seem to be based around Airton Rd. Could be worth finding out who they are.

Hotblack Desiato · 14-02-2020 5:23pm

nigeldaniel wrote: »

4th time it had to be put off on account of the weather

Were these all in the winter?

nigeldaniel · 14-02-2020 5:54pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Were these all in the winter?

3 on account of weather one on account of the tester not turning up on the day.

enrique66_35 · 25-02-2020 4:45pm

Question on etiquette lads, I'm a fairly new rider (about 6 months) and one of my favourite bits is the saluting that goes on between bikers however I'm never sure if I should
1. wave
2. hand in the air salute
3. nod for the ultra cool lads on rocket ships
4. none of the above
5. something else (fill in below...)

I'm usually so giddy about being out on the bike (see rider, new) that I end up waving like a loon and feel like a dope when I get the reserved nod back. Any googling just throws up US sites about two fingers left hand at the waist which obviously won't be visible here.

Any tips from the veterans?

macplaxton · 25-02-2020 7:39pm

When I lived in Scotland it was a wave or nod.

Usually I nod here and either get nothing (well I'm on a shed of a BMW), a return nod or a continental leg stretch.

zubair · 25-02-2020 8:06pm

Any of the above. But only nod on a spin, don't when commuting, that's just weird. I hate when people nod and I'm on the way to work.

Acquiescence · 25-02-2020 9:16pm

Got a full salute from some hero today while walking down the road in my gear!

Sure it costs nothing, I got a kick out of it anyway.

enrique66_35 · 26-02-2020 9:15am

zubair wrote: »

Any of the above. But only nod on a spin, don't when commuting, that's just weird. I hate when people nod and I'm on the way to work.

See this is it, I'm waving and nodding at all and sundry when I'm on the bike regardless of commuting or weekend spin which might be being indulged a bit cause of the L vest but I don't want to be annoying experienced riders, as you say, just on their way to work.

Real problem is when I'm saluting bikers out of habit/instinct and I'm in the car :rolleyes:

shutup · 26-02-2020 4:12pm

I don’t wave or nod at anyone and nobody waves or nods at me

oceanman · 27-02-2020 10:56pm

hi guys, ready to start ibt, any recommendations for someone in Dublin or Kildare? thanks.

madbev90210 · 06-03-2020 9:14pm

oceanman wrote: »

hi guys, ready to start ibt, any recommendations for someone in Dublin or Kildare? thanks.

Hey, tbh the only people I could get to do anything, ie IBT, lessons etc are the Airport Driving School. They're good though, and I had a laugh with them! I guess try looking up others if that doesn't suit but good luck!

madbev90210 · 06-03-2020 9:29pm

Ideas for where to go?!

Having a sh*t week. Need/want to get out for a few hours tomorrow so anyone any ideas where I can go (M50 excluded) to contemplate life?!

Coffee and chips optional but not required.. preferably minimal humans!

zubair · 07-03-2020 2:15am

madbev90210 wrote: »

Ideas for where to go?!

Having a sh*t week. Need/want to get out for a few hours tomorrow so anyone any ideas where I can go (M50 excluded) to contemplate life?!

Coffee and chips optional but not required.. preferably minimal humans!

Where ar you starting from?

madbev90210 · 07-03-2020 8:59pm

I didn't get a chance today anyway but I'd be starting from Clondalkin?

zubair · 07-03-2020 10:47pm

madbev90210 wrote: »

I didn't get a chance today anyway but I'd be starting from Clondalkin?

Well if it were me I'd go tallaght, blessington, naas, clane, lucan, home. All fairly fast roads and fast bends, no peg scraping. in winter they would be the type of roads I'd go for.

Also, someone started a thread on the photo rally so that could give you somewhere to go, there's a few close proximity to Dublin, Kildare Meath.

http://www.irishphotorally.ie/map

horse7 · 08-03-2020 9:26am

There's a group going at 9:30 this morning if you're interested,meet in swords.

madbev90210 · 13-03-2020 12:34am

horse7 wrote: »

There's a group going at 9:30 this morning if you're interested,meet in swords.

Thank you for the invite! I don't think I'm ready for group rides yet.. I'd be like the embarrassing little sister!

Just ended up going around Clondalkin/Lucan for a bit.. getting there though

zubair · 14-03-2020 12:11pm

madbev90210 wrote: »

Thank you for the invite! I don't think I'm ready for group rides yet.. I'd be like the embarrassing little sister!

Just ended up going around Clondalkin/Lucan for a bit.. getting there though

It's understandable that you'd be hesitant but the best way to learn is with a group. Just make sure it's a group that have mixed levels with experienced riders to look out for you.

horse7 wrote: »

There's a group going at 9:30 this morning if you're interested,meet in swords.

Do you ha e a grouo spin every Sunday?

shutup · 13-04-2020 9:59am

I believe you can do your test on a high powered automatic and are then allowed ride any twist and go up to that number cc that you tested on?
How do they note this on the licence? Do you get for example an A1 or A2 with a mark that you are not qualified to ride a bike with gears?

Hope this makes sense! Thanks

IrishGrimReaper · 13-04-2020 2:35pm

Yes you can ride any size up to the one you pass the test on.

The license will have a code on the back which is the code stating the license holder is restricted to automatic bikes.

shutup · 13-04-2020 3:30pm

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

Yes you can ride any size up to the one you pass the test on.

The license will have a code on the back which is the code stating the license holder is restricted to automatic bikes.

Great thanks

Peppa Cig · 19-04-2020 10:55am

Sorry if this question is covered but I can’t find the answer.

If someone aged >24 completes IBT on a provisional Cat A licence does this cover them to ride all CAT A bikes on public roads for the two year period of cert?

Or are there restrictions?

I seem to understand the licence process apart from that element. It appears they can but I’m surprised that someone could (in theory) hop up on a super bike (for example) after a bit of IBT.

Thanks

troyzer · 19-04-2020 11:02am

Peppa Cig wrote: »

Sorry if this question is covered but I can’t find the answer.

If someone aged >24 completes IBT on a provisional Cat A licence does this cover them to ride all CAT A bikes on public roads for the two year period of cert?

Or are there restrictions?

I seem to understand the licence process apart from that element. It appears they can but I’m surprised that someone could (in theory) hop up on a super bike (for example) after a bit of IBT.

Thanks

Theoretically, yes.

But you won't be able to get insurance. The likes of Liberty and Carole Nash don't even cover some A1 and A2 bikes for a newbie. They straight up refuse.

Peppa Cig · 19-04-2020 12:40pm

I have driving licence for cars and other vehicles (not bikes) obtained pre 2000.

Do I have to do the bike theory test to get a learner permit? (Conflicting information in previous thread search).

Will Cat A provisional be added to my car Driving licence or is it a separate provisional licence?

Thanks

nigeldaniel · 19-04-2020 1:26pm

troyzer wrote: »

Theoretically, yes.

But you won't be able to get insurance. The likes of Liberty and Carole Nash don't even cover some A1 and A2 bikes for a newbie. They straight up refuse.

That is very true as I'v been having that problem for 12 months now. Can't get cover for a bandit [600cc] so I am stuck doing bike hire form a bike school for lessons and the test whenever the tests start up again. Not easy down here in Kerry I can tell you as there is hardly any bike schools left running.

nigeldaniel · 19-04-2020 1:32pm

Peppa Cig wrote: »

I have driving licence for cars and other vehicles (not bikes) obtained pre 2000.

Do I have to do the bike theory test to get a learner permit? (Conflicting information in previous thread search).

Will Cat A provisional be added to my car Driving licence or is it a separate provisional licence?

Thanks

As far as I can tell, you will need to do a theory test before you get the learner permit. The learner permit [A class] will be a separate one from a full car licence.
Full licence- pink in colour
Learner permit- green in colour.

shutup · 19-04-2020 2:22pm

Peppa Cig wrote: »

I have driving licence for cars and other vehicles (not bikes) obtained pre 2000.

Do I have to do the bike theory test to get a learner permit? (Conflicting information in previous thread search).

Will Cat A provisional be added to my car Driving licence or is it a separate provisional licence?

Thanks

A pre 2004 (I think) driving licence will entitle you to an 50cc AM licence.
If you want to get a bigger bike you are back to square one doing theory test and IBT.
You will receive a separate provisional licence. Once you have passed bike test you merge the two on to one licence.

Peppa Cig · 19-04-2020 4:42pm

shutup wrote: »

A pre 2004 (I think) driving licence will entitle you to an 50cc AM licence.
If you want to get a bigger bike you are back to square one doing theory test and IBT.
You will receive a separate provisional licence. Once you have passed bike test you merge the two on to one licence.

I do have full AM category on my licence.

I think a post a few years ago suggested that he did not need theory test to get provisional A if you hold full AM.

Mjolnir · 19-04-2020 4:51pm

Peppa Cig wrote: »

I have driving licence for cars and other vehicles (not bikes) obtained pre 2000.

Do I have to do the bike theory test to get a learner permit? (Conflicting information in previous thread search).

Will Cat A provisional be added to my car Driving licence or is it a separate provisional licence?

Thanks

If you did your theory test before a certain date, then usually no, but you have to phone the ndls when back open to confirm.
Still have to get the permit and do ibt if exempt from the theory test.

Mjolnir · 19-04-2020 4:55pm

Peppa Cig wrote: »

Sorry if this question is covered but I can’t find the answer.

If someone aged >24 completes IBT on a provisional Cat A licence does this cover them to ride all CAT A bikes on public roads for the two year period of cert?

Or are there restrictions?

I seem to understand the licence process apart from that element. It appears they can but I’m surprised that someone could (in theory) hop up on a super bike (for example) after a bit of IBT.

Thanks

Once you have the A permit and ibt complete you can ride any bike you can insure.
Insure being the operative word no insurer will currently cover a 24 year old on a new permit to ride a 1000cc+ sports bike. It's hard enough get a 600cc sport bike insured for most.
Only difference between a cbr600rr and cbr1000rr in terms of ridability apart from minor handling differences is horsepower and torque. Both of which you're in control of with the throttle.
Twist a hyabusa throttle like you would a bandit you're in for a bad time.

dubal2008 · 20-04-2020 9:19am

Peppa Cig wrote: »

I have driving licence for cars and other vehicles (not bikes) obtained pre 2000.

Do I have to do the bike theory test to get a learner permit? (Conflicting information in previous thread search).

Will Cat A provisional be added to my car Driving licence or is it a separate provisional licence?

Thanks

You will have to do the theory test ( download the NDLS app approx €12 which is great for practise) thend go and do the IBT after that pick your bike, nothing with an R at the end of it, simply pick something simple... I've just done the theory at the grand age of 56 and was just about to book an IBT when all this Virus stuff happened, I,ll be looking out for what I believe is a good starter bike for me Yamaha MT07 and having checked Insurance it will be approx €750
Hope that helps somewhat and yes you will have 2 licences in the wallet for the next while

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