Graham Dwyer

Joe Duffy. · 05-10-2017 5:30pm #1

Is it just me who thinks that there were just too many coincidences of good luck which led to the arrest of GDwyer ? Also how on earth would a clerk in a busy city centre 02 shop have been able to remember a man who bought a sim card but refused to give his address after all that time?

Overheal · 05-10-2017 5:33pm

Joe Duffy. wrote: »

Is it just me who thinks that there were just too many coincidences of good luck which led to the arrest of GDwyer ? Also how on earth would a clerk in a busy city centre 02 shop have been able to remember a man who bought a sim card but refused to give his address after all that time?

I'm a foreigner: what happened?

mikeecho · 06-10-2017 3:08am

Overheal wrote: »

I'm a foreigner: what happened?

Someone is clutching at straws to create a conspiracy theory.

salmocab · 06-10-2017 4:45am

Joe Duffy. wrote: »

Is it just me who thinks that there were just too many coincidences of good luck which led to the arrest of GDwyer ? Also how on earth would a clerk in a busy city centre 02 shop have been able to remember a man who bought a sim card but refused to give his address after all that time?

Both of the coincidences were caused by the good weather so its actually not that odd, the body was exposed because of the earth being dry and the reservoir was low because of the run of good weather.

Markcheese · 06-10-2017 6:38am

I hadn't heard anything about the o2 shop or sim thing, but you'd be amazed by how a customer can ( but doesn't always) stick in your head... Sometimes it's just something weird they say or do..

PeterTheNinth · 06-10-2017 7:00pm

I know the guy who he was dealing with on the model airplane videos, and he's a straight up guy. There's no conspiracy here.

06-10-2017 7:25pm

Joe Duffy. wrote: »

Is it just me who thinks that there were just too many coincidences of good luck which led to the arrest of GDwyer ? Also how on earth would a clerk in a busy city centre 02 shop have been able to remember a man who bought a sim card but refused to give his address after all that time?

The address was recorded on the companies computer system - it was a made up address but it was very similar to the address of one of his relations/inlaws- can't remember which now.

endacl · 06-10-2017 7:27pm

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I know the guy who he was dealing with on the model airplane videos, and he's a straight up guy. There's no conspiracy here.

Unless.....

You're part of it!!!

:eek::eek::eek:

PeterTheNinth · 06-10-2017 7:29pm

endacl wrote: »

Unless.....
You're part of it!!!
:eek::eek::eek:

*shuts down laptop and heads for the door*

endacl · 06-10-2017 7:41pm

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

*shuts down laptop and heads for the door*

Too late. Black helicopter inbound.

Omackeral · 10-10-2017 12:17am

Joe Duffy. wrote: »

Is it just me who thinks that there were just too many coincidences of good luck which led to the arrest of GDwyer ? Also how on earth would a clerk in a busy city centre 02 shop have been able to remember a man who bought a sim card but refused to give his address after all that time?

He did give an address. It was for an Oaklawn, Cherihan in Tipperary which matched his sister's address. He also registered it under the weird name Goroon Caisholm, a corruption of one of his former colleagues name Gordon Chisholm. The number matched his own personal number with the exception of the 08- prefix.

redshoes15 · 10-10-2017 12:31am

No conspiracy, just a wickedly evil man who preyed on a vulnerable woman for his own perverted needs. I recently rewatched a Prime Time documentary on YouTube, the Gardai did an amazing job of nailing him while catching some breaks along the way. In particular a small town member of the Gardai going the extra mile on a hunch. Hope the piece of crap Dwyer rots in his cell for a very long time. Guilty as sin.

Purple Mountain · 10-10-2017 1:04am

Just finished reading Paul Williams book on it.
I had to skip bits of it due to the graphic details.
Fair play to the jury to sit through that harrowing evidence.
Thankfully Elaine got a burial and the family got the truth.

bilbot79 · 10-10-2017 1:24am

Joe Duffy. wrote: »

Is it just me who thinks that there were just too many coincidences of good luck which led to the arrest of GDwyer ? Also how on earth would a clerk in a busy city centre 02 shop have been able to remember a man who bought a sim card but refused to give his address after all that time?

Graham! You're a boardsie!

Omackeral · 10-10-2017 1:47am

bilbot79 wrote: »

Graham! You're a boardsie!

He actually was a boardsie! Frequented a model airplane forum.

bilbot79 · 10-10-2017 2:10am

Omackeral wrote: »

He actually was a boardsie! Frequented a model airplane forum.

Freaky...seems a bit intense even on boards..

Omackeral · 10-10-2017 2:48am

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Just finished reading Paul Williams book on it.
I had to skip bits of it due to the graphic details.
Fair play to the jury to sit through that harrowing evidence.
Thankfully Elaine got a burial and the family got the truth.

It really is a surreal book. The work of the police and the strokes of luck they had were phenomenal but their perseverance is what really paid off. I'd recommend it definitely for the procedural stuff, unreal. As said, the graphic parts are very graphic and are tough to read at times.

SusieBlue · 10-10-2017 2:37pm

Omackeral wrote: »

It really is a surreal book. The work of the police and the strokes of luck they had were phenomenal but their perseverance is what really paid off. I'd recommend it definitely for the procedural stuff, unreal. As said, the graphic parts are very graphic and are tough to read at times.

What's the name of the book if you don't mind me asking?

Goat the dote · 10-10-2017 2:46pm

Omackeral wrote: »

He actually was a boardsie! Frequented a model airplane forum.

What was his username?

endacl · 10-10-2017 3:03pm

Goat the dote wrote: »

What was his username?

Psycho McWeirdo, I believe.

Omackeral · 10-10-2017 3:19pm

WhiteRoses wrote: »

What's the name of the book if you don't mind me asking?

It's called "Almost The Perfect Murder: The Killing Of Elaine O'Hara". I picked it up in Eason a while ago in the true crime section.

Omackeral · 10-10-2017 3:20pm

Goat the dote wrote: »

What was his username?

First initial, last name. All one word

by8auj6csd3ioq · 26-10-2017 9:37pm

To the two who read P Williams book on Graham Dwyer. Do you think Dwyer would have been convicted if he had invoked his right to silence? As best as i can recall it : They first questioned him about and airplane event in Tipperary and got an admission he was there. The real reason, which they came back to later, was she had a had a text they had traced to the tipp area and so now he was in less of a position to deny it. Reading through his interrogation i would be surprised if he was convicted had he kept his mouth shut

tara73 · 27-10-2017 9:29pm

Omackeral wrote: »

First initial, last name. All one word

good lord, it's quite freaky they are still there. thought they would have them deleted by now..

branie2 · 02-11-2017 4:22pm

He's evil and guilty

dancingqueen · 04-12-2017 1:53pm

Read the book over the weekend after spotting this thread, some story. Glad he was caught, for the sake of that poor girl's family.

Emme · 07-12-2017 4:09pm

Lowdown scum preyed on a naive trusting girl and acted out his vile fantasies on her. Apparently he tried to trap another woman as well. In the meantime he was living a double life as a perfect husband and father. People like him give BDSM a bad name.

funnights74 · 16-12-2019 5:19pm

I see this is back on the front pages today, an appeal to the supreme court on behalf of the state about the use of mobile phone metadata and if it is a breach of EU law under the European convention of human rights. Fascinating stuff, it could have implications on some serious issues in years to come.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1216/1099426-graham-dwyer-court/

amdublin · 23-12-2019 2:24am

by8auj6csd3ioq wrote: »

To the two who read P Williams book on Graham Dwyer. Do you think Dwyer would have been convicted if he had invoked his right to silence? As best as i can recall it : They first questioned him about and airplane event in Tipperary and got an admission he was there. The real reason, which they came back to later, was she had a had a text they had traced to the tipp area and so now he was in less of a position to deny it. Reading through his interrogation i would be surprised if he was convicted had he kept his mouth shut

Totally. He even answered questions where I guess he (Dwyer) just thought the guard was just shooting the breeze, whereas "everything you say can be used as evidence" etc
i.e. The guard asked about his kids, when they were born etc - and then matched this to text messages found on the phone that he used to message Ms O'Hara i.e. Baby girl born today etc

Ugh what a creep on a million of different levels

Markcheese · 27-12-2019 4:29am

There is something quite scary about the gardai acting in good faith (not breaking the law as understood at the time ), and catching and subsequently successfully prosecuting a selfish murderer (he did it for his satisfaction ,) and possibly the guy not just being let out ,but found not guilty ...
( Kind of reminds me of judge Brian curtain ,the evidence was there and was collected ,the warrant had been issued ,the dates were out , so actual facts about found kiddie porn were disregarded and the guy gets off Scott free ...) Legal but not just ...

BDI · 27-12-2019 4:35am

amdublin wrote: »

Totally. He even answered questions where I guess he (Dwyer) just thought the guard was just shooting the breeze, whereas "everything you say can be used as evidence" etc
i.e. The guard asked about his kids, when they were born etc - and then matched this to text messages found on the phone that he used to message Ms O'Hara i.e. Baby girl born today etc

Ugh what a creep on a million of different levels

You think the guards wouldn’t have access to state registered birth records?

amdublin · 28-12-2019 8:30am

BDI wrote: »

You think the guards wouldn’t have access to state registered birth records?

Yes of course they would. Am sure that was used also.

They were building a picture. Making the match with the phone and with him. They also asked him info about his flying model airplanes and competitions etc which tied in with texts on the phone.

gordongekko · 28-12-2019 11:12am

BDI wrote: »

You think the guards wouldn’t have access to state registered birth records?

Im sure his wife would have told the guards the details when asked

salmocab · 28-12-2019 11:26am

I would assume the Garda were asking more than date of birth and were looking for specific details that were in the text messages.

amdublin · 28-12-2019 1:50pm

salmocab wrote: »

I would assume the Garda were asking more than date of birth and were looking for specific details that were in the text messages.

Yep agree. There were a whole load of things he said in the texts. The children's births were just one of them.

My point was....he thought he was cleverer than the guards to the point that he was happy to talk to them without his solicitor around...i guess because he thought they were just innocuous questions, whereas in fact he was indicting (is that the word???) himself further - and affirming this was his phone, his texts to her.

spontindeed · 08-07-2022 5:56pm

I see Irish Judge Mr Justice Tony Hunt doesn't like the ruling of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) in Graham Dwyer's case despite the fact that Ireland is bound by the Treaties of the EU (which the Government signed up to) and that EU law takes precedence over Irish law.

The right to privacy exists for a reason. I find it problematic that the Gardai could access anyone's telephone records without any proper safeguards. Warrantless data collection of people's telephone records may well have violated the EU Treaties.

I'm not defending anyone but these powers given to the Gardai were too overly-broad in nature. I strongly oppose any warrantless data searches of Irish Citizens.

Caquas · 08-07-2022 7:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310181#Comment_119310181

Wayne Cooney would have got away with murder if Judge Hunt hadn’t asked the obvious question- why would a court deprive itself of vital evidence? It was CCTV and mobile phone data that convicted a cold-blooded killer.

The murder was in broad daylight next to a school. No one saw nuttin’.

The only eyewitness to give evidence was his girlfriend, the driver of his getaway car.

The court heard that as they approached a roundabout in Darndale, EF asked Ms Hayes to turn right and then, as they passed a bus stop, the witness recalled: "EF said, ‘there's the git’ or the ‘idiot’ or something and it was her partner Wayne."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/murder-trial-witness-denies-criminals-put-pressure-on-her-to-make-false-allegations-against-accused-man-41771318.html

it’s true the European Court found that Graham Dwyer’s right to privacy was infringed. I hope they award him 1 cent in damages, to be spent in his prisons shop, with no order as to costs. Justice for Elaine O’Hara.

Markcheese · 14-07-2022 11:58am

I think I'm a bit the opposite of libertarians ..

I'd have no prob with everyone's thumb print being on a driver's licence or ID card ,

A decent DNA database being held ,

Mobile records/toll road data ,ANPR details being held ,and accessable by the gardai ,

Hell, I wouldn't be that bothered by facial recognition software ,

Obviously there'd need to be decent policies and security and accountability for their use .. but

AndrewJRenko · 09-10-2022 6:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119336033#Comment_119336033

We've never had any kind of sensible public debate about the pros and cons of such things. The European ruling isn't so much that Gardai can't have access to phone records, more that there should be sensible controls, oversight, monitoring of Garda access to such records.

I'd have many concerns about Gardai having access to such records, given the level of Garda corruption and Garda criminality that have emerged in recent years.

Graham Dwyer

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