Naomh Eanna - Grand Canal Dock

fergal.b · 10-02-2014 4:54pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

It's better than helplessly wringing their hands or saying it's a pity to see it scrapped like some on here. It turns out that the ship still belongs to CIE so there shouldn't be any mad urgency to scrap it or raise funds to save it. Everybody involved on the pro-scrapping side need to hold-off and see if something can be done even at this eleventh hour.

Needless to say I haven't received a reply to my emails to Deenihan/Varadkar.

Or do WI own her http://afloat.ie/home/item/24399-heritage-ship-naomh-eanna-set-for-scrapping?utm_source=Ireland+Afloat&utm_campaign=57ec6dd014-AfloatEbulletin_Feb102_10_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_56cc7c153a-57ec6dd014-64313585

Judgement Day · 10-02-2014 5:06pm

According to the "Naomh Eanna Trust" Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naomh-Eanna-Trust/211241455563057 - CIE still own the ship. An irrelevance anyway as both bodies are State controlled and shouldn't be colluding to destroy heritage/tourist attractions. However, given the moronic way both bodies have operated over the years I wouldn't be optimistic that things can be resolved. What's needed is instruction from on high but that's also unlikely as there's much more important issues like bugging to be discussed. :rolleyes:

relaxed · 10-02-2014 5:21pm

Is she even seaworthy at this stage, could she be towed to Galway docks for example and Galway Co. Co. restore her as a tourist attraction?

fergal.b · 10-02-2014 7:12pm

This was just posted on the facebook page, might bring you back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUNfovLWktA

Storm 10 wrote: »

I had many trips on Naomh Eanna to the Aran ISlands as a kid, I still remember the day she arrived in Galway to take over the service to the Aran Island and operated by CIE, she was a top heavy boat and rolled a lot in heavy seas but she was a lovely boat and was spotless inside with a lovely lounge bar area and seating. In the summer she would be full to capacity with tourists visiting the Islands, she could only dock at Inishmore and anchored off Inishman and Inisher where you went ashore by currach and the cattle were swam ashore, it was unreal to see cookers and fridges being put on currachs for transport to shore, they nearly sank with the weight. she was also used as a tender for the Holland American liners Maasdam,Ryndam and Niew Amsterdam when they called to Galway, many times she was unable to get passengers on or off due weather and the Pilot got many a trip on the liners as he could not get off she rolled so much.

My cousin was on a trip to Aran when the Naomh Eanna received the May Day that a KLM plane had crashed off the West Coast, she left for the scene with some passengers still on board including him, she was on scene I think for a few days and picked up some of the crashed planes debris. She was eventually replaced on the liner work by the newly acquired Galway Bay which was originally a tug in Southampton as Calshot, Galway Bay was a very sturdy boat and she never had a problem with weather, the Naomh Eanna returned to her normal service to the Islands until she was retired by CIE.

Galway Bay done the Aran Island service for a while after Naomh Eanna and she also done the so called "Bop On The Bay" where she left the docks at 9pm in summertime at night cruising Galway Bay with a disco on board and returning at around 1am in the morning, they were great nights and always had a great crowd on board, Galway Bay was very nice inside with two decks of lounges and a large closed in area with large windows to look out, she is now restored as Calshot in Southampton but they are two great ships that will live in my memory but very sad to see the way the Naomh Eanna was treated, she should have been kept in Galway as a Maritime Museum and given a run during the summer months with tourists.

Some nice pictures here
http://galwayships.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=9&page=1

maryishere · 11-02-2014 1:13am

Tabnabs wrote: »

Two business traded from the ship for quite a few years, where did all the money that was paid in rent go to I wonder?

Yeah, 20 years someone said. Why was some of that rent money - if it was paid or collected - not used to keep the outside of the ship painted and maintained?

If it had not fallen in to disrepair it could look quite attractive there, and possible have a café on the deck too as someone suggested.

fergal.b · 11-02-2014 12:16pm

Someone was buzzy last night

Photo from Naomh Eanna Trust.

Judgement Day · 11-02-2014 12:24pm

Reminds me of the save Frascati House campaign. A little bird tells me that we can expect more developments shortly.

fergal.b · 11-02-2014 12:31pm

There was also a bit about her on Morning Ireland http://www.rte.ie/news/morningireland/player.html?20140211%2C10250070%2C10250070%2Cflash%2C261

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Judgement Day · 11-02-2014 2:30pm

Typical lightweight RTE interviewer still any publicity is good publicity.

fergal.b · 13-02-2014 10:19pm

Another little bit from afloat http://afloat.ie/home/item/24432-save-naomh-eanna-campaign-courts-tds-to-support-heritage-ships-future

And a letter sent to the deputies that may have gotten her a bit of time in the "Houses of the Oireachtas today"

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HeidiHeidi · 13-02-2014 10:23pm

I was down there the other day, and it looked like they were dredging a lock or channel from the GCD to somewhere else - I'm guessing it's the "graving dock" (of which I've never heard!) - it was forward of the bow of the Naomh Eanna, the other side of the slip that the Viking ducks use.

I'm sorry now I didn't get nosy and ask some of the fellas who were there what was going on.

Whatever about the Naomh Eanna itself, it'd be a criminal disaster if they wind up polluting the dock and possibly the Liffey while they're at it :mad:

Judgement Day · 13-02-2014 10:33pm

I caught the end of the "Naomh Eanna" questions in the Oireachtas today and seems that Jimmy Deenihan (?) is to meet with members of the "N.E.Trust'. The input from the TDs that spoke was supportive and they all called for a moratorium on scrapping. Eamon O'Cuiv spoke in Irish at the end of the questions so I don't know whether he was talking about the "Naomh Eanna" or something completely different.

HeidiHeidi · 13-02-2014 10:40pm

Judgement Day wrote: »

I caught the end of the "Naomh Eanna" questions in the Oireachtas today and seems that Jimmy Deenihan (?) is to meet with members of the "N.E.Trust'. The input from the TDs that spoke was supportive and they all called for a moratorium on scrapping. Eamon O'Cuiv spoke in Irish at the end of the questions so I don't know whether he was talking about the "Naomh Eanna" or something completely different.

Is that available online anywhere?

I'm not sure if I'd understand most of what O Cuiv said even if it was in English :eek: but I'd be interested in seeing the questions, and might possibly make a fist of what he said at the end......

Judgement Day · 13-02-2014 10:46pm

There may be a link in here somewhere http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/watchlisten/live-audio/ but I found it hard to use, hence my missing the start of the questions.

fergal.b · 13-02-2014 10:48pm

According to the spy's

They didn't bother with stop planks at the mouth of the dock they just ripped it out and not with much care for the dock.

HeidiHeidi · 13-02-2014 10:57pm

When were those taken, Fergal? JCB was the other side of the lock when I saw it the other day.

fergal.b · 13-02-2014 11:01pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

When were those taken, Fergal? JCB was the other side of the lock when I saw it the other day.

Tuesday

HeidiHeidi · 13-02-2014 11:04pm

fergal.b wrote: »

Tuesday

How odd, I'm 99% sure that's the day I was down there.... but it was a different set-up as I remember it.....

Anyway, that's neither here nor there

. Here's hoping they can stall things enough to at least make a decent plan that won't wreck all around them.

Tabnabs · 14-02-2014 12:57pm

The Irish Ship & Barge Fabrication Co. They wouldn't be coming at this from a self interest commercial point of view would they?

The Cill Airne was in seagoing condition when retired, despite many years of abuse and the IS&BF Co did a fine job for her new owners in converting her to a floating restaurant.

The NE would keep them busy for a long, long time.

But again, worth asking, where did all the money from rent of two commercial companies trading from the NE go, are there accounts to show expenditure?

fergal.b · 14-02-2014 1:15pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Is that available online anywhere?

I'm not sure if I'd understand most of what O Cuiv said even if it was in English :eek: but I'd be interested in seeing the questions, and might possibly make a fist of what he said at the end......

Here is a Youtube clip of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1uAccL69YQ

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HeidiHeidi · 14-02-2014 11:39pm

Well, the Naomh Eanna featured on Seascapes tonight - but only with an archive clip of Sean Lemass wittering on about it back whenever she was built.

Very useful in the current circumstances!

Judgement Day · 15-02-2014 10:40am

The Facebook page for the "Naomh Eanna Trust" has gone from 141 likes on the 6th Feb. to over 1,000 this morning - if this momentum can be continued and many of those likes converted into donations/funding shares or whatever, there's a real chance that something good can come out of this fiasco.

maryishere · 16-02-2014 12:11pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

But again, worth asking, where did all the money from rent of two commercial companies trading from the NE go, are there accounts to show expenditure?

maybe they did not pay any, or it was just a peppercorn rent? Very unusual anyway. I know someone else who wanted to operate a business from a vessel elsewhere once and they were told they would not get planning permission to do so.

goldie fish · 16-02-2014 12:50pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

The Irish Ship & Barge Fabrication Co. They wouldn't be coming at this from a self interest commercial point of view would they?

The Cill Airne was in seagoing condition when retired, despite many years of abuse and the IS&BF Co did a fine job for her new owners in converting her to a floating restaurant.

The NE would keep them busy for a long, long time.

But again, worth asking, where did all the money from rent of two commercial companies trading from the NE go, are there accounts to show expenditure?

The Cill Airne was far from in seagoing condition. Her last bottom survey showed the hull to be in terrible condition, with one plate being punctured when a surveyer poked a finger through a rusted area. It was no longer economic for the college to use the vessel, It was however still in use to train crew in the use of enclosed lifeboats, two of which were placed horribly on a modified upper deck.

In use the ship was far from abused. You could eat your dinner from the deck of the engine control room. The modified bridge was equally spotless. It was worked appropriately for its age. Once a week to Roches point if the weather allowed in autumn and spring, with an occasional day trip during the summer months. The rest of the time was spent on year round maintenance of both upper and lower decks.
IS&BF at Cork Dockyard restored the vessel to the layout she had in the late 70s, when it commenced work as a training ship, and then ruined it by adding an extra upper deck.
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whisky_galore · 17-02-2014 10:04am

The facebook group seem to think, judging by the insidious onboard activity, she's being gutted from the inside out.

Tabnabs · 17-02-2014 10:26am

goldie fish wrote: »

In use the ship was far from abused. You could eat your dinner from the deck of the engine control room. The modified bridge was equally spotless. It was worked appropriately for its age. Once a week to Roches point if the weather allowed in autumn and spring, with an occasional day trip during the summer months. The rest of the time was spent on year round maintenance of both upper and lower decks.
IS&BF at Cork Dockyard restored the vessel to the layout she had in the late 70s, when it commenced work as a training ship, and then ruined it by adding an extra upper deck.

I spent many, many hours onboard that ship. It was our floating classroom for MN deck and engine cadets. I've helped start her, steered her, anchored her and tied her up in Cork many times too. I know here as well as all the other cadets that spent time aboard.

Thankfully we ate all food from our hands while aboard. I wouldn't have recommended eating off the deck plates, no matter how well painted they appeared. Having had a hand in "maintaining" her, if we'd of abused another ship the way we abused the Cill Airne with chipping hammers, the mate would have had us discharged without a second thought. I sincerely doubt we were the first or last class to treat her like this either.

I got my lifeboat ticket from her and learned the ancient and archaic ways of rowing a ships lifeboat with a mixed nationality crew. We were grateful to hear the enclosed lifeboat was not safe to launch and I had to wait until I was in the Persian Gulf a few months later to "enjoy" that experience. Launching an enclosed lifeboat from a ship with a 24m draft and in ballast is a very unique experience.

While the Cill Airne may have been at the end of her working life for the college, she was in a very different state to the NE and the point still stands that the Irish Ship & Barge Fabrication Co would stand to make a very large sum of money from the restoration of the NE. Private funds are one thing, state funding is a different proposition altogether however.

Tabnabs · 17-02-2014 10:27am

maryishere wrote: »

maybe they did not pay any, or it was just a peppercorn rent? Very unusual anyway. I know someone else who wanted to operate a business from a vessel elsewhere once and they were told they would not get planning permission to do so.

No, they paid a good rent and it amounted to a not inconsiderable sum. That can be confirmed by the business owners.

Tabnabs · 19-02-2014 5:24pm

Alongside and in position, make fast fore & aft. Her final voyage...(?)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naomh-Eanna-Trust/211241455563057?fref=ts

fergal.b · 19-02-2014 5:36pm

Looks like she put up a bit of a fight going in

whisky_galore · 19-02-2014 5:37pm

Er, is that normal, moving a ship with a digger???

Judgement Day · 19-02-2014 7:44pm

Imagine, she didn't sink despite the Waterways Ireland scaremongering. Now all that's needed is for some locals to have a fire or two in her and job done.

Tabnabs · 20-02-2014 10:12am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Er, is that normal, moving a ship with a digger???

They had no "tugs" other than a few small boats by the looks of it and obviously she can't get in under her own power. I guess they used what they had to hand to get her the last few metres along.

WI did the prudent thing and moved her before she sank and it became an environmental disaster. Until they board her with a view to stripping her out, she's safer here than alongside the quay wall.

oceanfroggie · 20-02-2014 3:44pm

I guess the unfortunate residents living and working nearby who have had to overlook that eyesore for years are glad to see it moved if even a short distance for the time being.

Anybody any idea on what is happening next? Has there been a short pause for one last final chance to see if funding has been found, or will the wreak be cut up in the next few weeks?

fergal.b · 20-02-2014 4:49pm

According to the FB page https://www.facebook.com/groups/naomheanna/518244141623898/?notif_t=group_activity
A decision has been made by the minister to go ahead with the scrapping. This is the outcome of a meeting with the minister for heritage, waterways ireland and the HSA. No other parties owner or stakeholders were at the meeting.

If I was living nearby I wouldn't see her as an eyesore more of an interesting ship "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" sort of thing

I love traveling the waterways looking at old boats and barges that Wi have kindly left for me

it just seems a bit odd that they leave them for so long before they decide to sell them on or in this case scrap it, maybe if they had let people know a year ago about there intensions things might have turned out for the better.
I would have offered to restore for free any of the old electrical,mechanical or wood work that I could fit in my shed

She is not that old as far as historical boats go but the electrics and mechanics are from the age of the dinosaurs in terms of how far we have come since the 50's. Maybe some day when the big solar storm comes and wipes out of the computers

people will be crying out for this type of ship.

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whisky_galore · 20-02-2014 4:58pm

fergal.b wrote: »

According to the FB page https://www.facebook.com/groups/naomheanna/518244141623898/?notif_t=group_activity
A decision has been made by the minister to go ahead with the scrapping. This is the outcome of a meeting with the minister for heritage, waterways ireland and the HSA. No other parties owner or stakeholders were at the meeting.
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Sounds very democratic alright.
If aesthetics were an issue, sure half of Dublin would want to be flattened.

end of the road · 20-02-2014 8:02pm

it will probably be cut up, obvious the minister doesn't care about our heritage as per

Judgement Day · 20-02-2014 8:20pm

Deenihan and Varadkar are a ****ing disgrace for letting this happen but then they fit in perfectly with all the other clowns in the Dail. Enda should sack them after he's finished with Shatter.

fergal.b · 22-02-2014 8:18pm

The fight goes on Who is the owner

http://www.thejournal.ie/naomh-eanna-ship-1326723-Feb2014/

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fergal.b · 24-02-2014 11:41am

I think the residents have bigger things to worry about, maybe the ship was protecting them from the elements

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/residents-raise-concerns-about-dublin-apartments-after-wet-weather-623429.html

oceanfroggie wrote: »

I guess the unfortunate residents living and working nearby who have had to overlook that eyesore for years are glad to see it moved if even a short distance for the time being.

Anybody any idea on what is happening next? Has there been a short pause for one last final chance to see if funding has been found, or will the wreak be cut up in the next few weeks?

Tabnabs · 24-02-2014 11:46am

Two interesting pieces from Brian Goggins blog:

http://irishwaterwayshistory.com/2014/02/19/an-investment-plan-for-the-naomh-eanna/

http://irishwaterwayshistory.com/2014/02/21/heritage-nonsense-and-the-naomh-eanna/

Judgement Day · 24-02-2014 1:04pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Two interesting pieces from Brian Goggins blog:

http://irishwaterwayshistory.com/2014/02/19/an-investment-plan-for-the-naomh-eanna/

http://irishwaterwayshistory.com/2014/02/21/heritage-nonsense-and-the-naomh-eanna/

I wouldn't call them interesting just more negativity from somebody who should be leading the campaign to save the ship but instead prefers to deride the efforts of others - another useless tosser.

Tabnabs · 24-02-2014 1:28pm

Actually, Brian Goggins is exceptionally good at digging into stories to find out what lies beneath the surface. He gives a reasonably impartial comment but isn't afraid to play Devil's Advocate and critically appraise an organisation, interest group or political entity.

His blog is well worth following for anyone interested in Irish maritime matters (particularly located on inland waterways).

You resorting to name calling says a lot more about you than it does about him...

Judgement Day · 24-02-2014 1:48pm

Tabnabs wrote: »

Actually, Brian Goggins is exceptionally good at digging into stories to find out what lies beneath the surface. He gives a reasonably impartial comment but isn't afraid to play Devil's Advocate and critically appraise an organisation, interest group or political entity.

His blog is well worth following for anyone interested in Irish maritime matters (particularly located on inland waterways).

You resorting to name calling says a lot more about you than it does about him...

His blog is quite interesting which is why I'd expect more of him. This country is full of armchair enthusiasts of whatever activity who can't be arsed to put their time or money where their mouth is. My name calling is caused out of frustration caused by decades of dealing with useless tossers.

BeardySi · 24-02-2014 2:13pm

fergal.b wrote: »

I think the residents have bigger things to worry about, maybe the ship was protecting them from the elements

Clearly if they're not watertight they're a hazard and should be scrapped immediately without though or further consultation....

Mex Mick · 25-02-2014 6:03pm

How will this be scrapped ?

Judgement Day · 25-02-2014 7:17pm

Mex Mick wrote: »

How will this be scrapped ?

In the time honoured way that most of our industrial heritage is scrapped.

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end of the road · 26-02-2014 12:11am

Mex Mick wrote: »

How will this be scrapped ?

ta be sure ta be sure shur they will get owl mountain micky to drive his jcb at it a few times, he'l go like a battering ram, cheep and cheerful, just by him a guinness afterwords shur begorra begosh

Tabnabs · 26-02-2014 10:22am

[Rabble] Yeah, them Micks don't know anythin and are compelte cowboys, I tells ya [/rabble]

Any ship recycling is carried out in accordance with EU regulations and there are some very fresh regulations in place (December 2013). I would expect WI, a cross border quango, to comply in entirety.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2013:330:FULL:EN:PDF

Judgement Day · 26-02-2014 11:46am

Perhaps our illustrious President can write a poem about it and bloggers can regale us with tales of voyages made on the ship.

fergal.b · 26-02-2014 6:06pm

Looks like she has got a stay of execution

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naomh-Eanna-Trust/211241455563057

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Naomh Eanna - Grand Canal Dock

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