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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Laurel and Hardy toured Ireland in 1952 and there is a wonderful piece on it here from pages 9-12

    A short extract
    Laurel and Hardy in Ireland
    On Sunday, 25th May, 1952, Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy took the overnight ferry from Liverpool to
    Dublin. The next morning, a reporter from the Irish Daily Mail noted that they both had missed breakfast
    and didn't appear until noon. The venue was the Gresham, a large five star hotel on Europe's widest
    street, O'Connell Street. This street had witnessed many events in Ireland's history, and now here was
    another, the first visit of Laurel and Hardy to Ireland.
    The newspaper reported: “Stan Laurel was first on the scene, looking every inch like that silly
    little man who was guaranteed to get his partner into every conceivable mess. Then came
    Oliver Hardy, looking even larger in life than he does on the screen, and still sporting his tiny
    moustache.” The party was quite tired, as they were exactly halfway through an eight-month tour of
    Britain and Ireland. It therefore must have come as a blessing that the opening night's performance had to
    be cancelled due to the fact that the scenery didn't make it over in time.
    Opening night began on Tuesday, 27th May and the Dublin Times reported:
    “What Laurel and Hardy have to say to each other doesn't matter. They merely have to appear
    on stage and the house rocks, shrieks and hoots with laughter. Much of the laughter came from
    children, but their parents were spellbound too.”
    The Irish Press of 28/05/52 noted : ”Mr O'Laurel and Mr O'Hardy were the latest distinguished
    visitors to Dublin. In private life they don't make you laugh ha-ha, but they do make you
    smile."
    Reporter Mac Alia was in their hotel room when the phone rang. It was somebody saying that he had
    been told to contact Laurel and Hardy and he got onto Stan. The context wasn't clear, but they were to
    get in touch with somebody. The somebody couldn't get in touch with them, because the somebody
    hadn't turned up. Chaos all around. "You should have hung up before he did," said Oliver sitting majestically
    in his chair. "I didn't know he hung up," said Stan. "I wasn't listening.".
    Mac Alia then asked them if they were going to meet anybody important while they were in Dublin.
    "Everybody is important to us" was the joint answer. Mrs Hardy went on to describe her husband as a
    great handyman around the house; just give him a paintbrush and he is happy.
    An Evening Herald reporter noted : “Personally I found them much more entertaining in person
    than in celluloid. In two short scenes they managed to convey their genius for the trade
    that has kept them in the forefront for so long.”
    Their visit to Dublin also coincided with the British and Irish release of A toll K, known as
    Robinson Crusoeland. This was playing nightly in cinemas. Dublin, it seemed, was not only the
    Irish capital but also the Laurel and Hardy capital for those two weeks.
    Laurel and Hardy took the train to Belfast in time to open on 9th June. While in Belfast, Stan was
    taken ill and was laid up for a couple of weeks in the Musgrave Clinic. Oliver and Lucille Hardy
    returned to Dublin for a short holiday while Stan recovered. After a relaxing holiday the Hardy’s
    returned to Belfast and they continued with the tour.

    The full story here

    http://www.laurelandhardy.ie/PDF/lh2007bookletnoshamrockdub.pdf

    Here is a nice bit too of them arriving in Cobh and being treated as stars - when they hadnt really had made great movies in the US since the 30's.

    I have highlighted Stan Laurels touching comments on arriving in Cobh.



    Laurel & Hardy in Cobh


    Posted by admin in Historical on 20 October 2009
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    By Adrian Patrick Gebruers KSG
    It must be recorded that the Laurel and Hardy visit to Cobh in 1953 has become the most high-profile episode involving the Cobh Carillon and has spread the fame of the instrument far and wide. Almost every book about the comedians mentions it, the event was warmly recalled in the “This Is Your Life” show the following year (1954), it has been the subject of countless radio and television features and is frequently quoted in newspaper and magazine articles.
    The story begins in the picture palaces of Antwerp back in the early 1920’s, when my father (Staf Gebruers, 1902-1970), then a impecunious young music student, earned much needed pocket money as a temporary cinema pianist and thus was planted the seed for a life-long passion for stars of the silent screen. Fast forward to Cobh some thirty years later, where news was trickling through that Laurel and Hardy had boarded the U.S. Lines liner SS “America” in New York bound for the Emerald Isle. Whereas the duo’s departure from the Big Apple had not attracted much attention, the people of Cobh were veritably tingling with excitement at the prospect of seeing them in the flesh, particularly on the part of the younger members of the population.
    If the truth were to be told, the comedians were no longer that popular in the land that made them and this European campaign was an attempt to revive their waning fortunes, with Ireland being selected as a starting point.
    On the morning in question, a little drama was unfolding at St Joseph’s Boy’s Primary School. As a ten year old pupil, I was not only a first-hand observer but very much a participant in these events. The thought that our favourite film comedians might be a stone’s throw away down town while we scholars sat in our classrooms was more than any human beings could be asked to endure. We therefore took advantage of the morning yard break to petition the school principal to allow us out to see the film stars. As at that stage the ageing Br Eugenius was probably not in the best of health, the collective pressing of hundreds of over-excited boys was probably more than he could take. Moreover, as he instinctively backed away from the onslaught we inadvertently were responsible for pressing him up against the school building, just alongside the white statue of our holy patron as it happened. In what the poor brother might well have considered to be one
    of his last breaths, he just about managed to gasp out the words we longed to hear: “Alright, you can go down to see them.”
    Housewives going about their daily shopping on The Beach, Cobh’s main thoroughfare, first thought they were detecting the sound of distant thunder, but with the addition of youngsters’
    exuberant voices it soon became obvious that the town’s schoolchildren were rushing down West View hill en route to the railway station where passengers from the liners disembarked. As my best friend was Seán O’Mahony and his parents managed the Royal Cork Yacht Club, I was able to get on to the balcony of the building, which commands a fine close-up view of the harbour. When the tender taking the passengers ashore from the liner passed we waved and shouted and
    repeatedly rang a ship’s bell in welcome, just as everyone else of the thousands lining the waterfront were similarly engaged. The two film stars were completely taken aback by the sheer ecstasy of their reception and in the years left to them never tired of reminiscing about that Wednesday, September 9 1953:
    The docks were swarming with many hundreds of people. ‘It’s strange, a strange thing,’ Stan says in recalling that day, ‘our popularity has lasted so long. Our last good pictures were made in the thirties, and you’d think people would forget, but they don’t. The love and affection we found that day at Cobh was simply unbelievable. There were hundreds of boats blowing whistles and mobs and mobs of people screaming on the docks. We just couldn’t understand what it was all about. And then something happened that I can never forget. All the church bells in Cobh started to ring out our theme song, and Babe looked at me, and we cried. Maybe people loved us and our pictures because we put so much love in them. I don’t know. I’ll never forget that day. Never”.
    When the two celebrities stepped ashore in Cobh they were immediately surrounded by good humoured milling crowds, all wishing to catch a glimpse of them or even shake their hands or get an autograph. The few local Gardaí fought a losing battle to speed them through immigration and customs formalities and out to a waiting car, and there was some considerable delay before they eventually emerged from the railway station to more cheering masses of fans. Ollie did not look
    a well man that morning, but in spite of how he might have been feeling he and Stan were insisting on personally thanking “the bell-ringers”. Like most people, they knew next to nothing about carillons and even less of how they’re played. When Seán O’Brien, manager of the U. S. Lines and a personal friend of my father’s, explained that this was an instrument played from a keyboard by one man they were even more anxious to make his acquaintance. A few minutes
    later, Seán’s car sped around Cathedral Corner followed Pied-Piper like by hundreds of screaming children. My father was at the main entrance, where I had joined him standing shyly a few steps behind. My first reaction was one of disappointment as these two elderly gentlemen dressed in modern lounge suits alighted, only vaguely resembling their far more familiar screen personae. But even worse confusion was to follow. When Ollie went to take my father’s hand to thank him the accumulated emotion of that whole morning seemed to suddenly spill over the poor man and words failed him. Tears began to roll down his cheeks as he engulfed Dad in his not inconsiderable embrace. Alarmed that my father, who in these politically-correct days would be termed vertically-challenged, might not come out intact from that massive bear hug, I was even more unnerved by Stan’s contrasting total composure as, dryeyed, he repeated polite words of appreciation. Shouldn’t he be the distraught one, wringing his hands and bawling crying as Olie yet again admonishes: “That’s another fine mess you’ve gotten us into.”, when in fact the reverse seemed to be the case! But there was no denying the sincerity of the film stars’ gratitude. Having their theme played on the Carillon and the great warmth of the welcome they’d witnessed in Cobh was a genuine public acknowledgment of the innocent fun they had given to millions which seemed to deeply touch them and was to become a landmark experience in their twilight years.
    The above story was sent to me by the author who has told me that it is only a part of what happened that day. He revealed that he alone is probably the last one to know what really happened and would probably never tell. I quizzed him for some time and tried to persuade him to part with the details one day but he was quite resigned to the fact that the story would die with him. I didn’t even get a slight clue as to what it was and I am very intrigued. Perhaps one day….


    http://visitcobh.com/news/?p=82

    There is even a Stan & Ollie appreciation society in Ireland

    http://www.laurelandhardy.ie/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    And there is more - they performed a charity show in the Olympia in 1952 and a photo of it was recovered

    LAURELHARDYOLYMPIA1953.jpg
    Stan and Ollie arrived for their second visit to Ireland in 1953 (famously to the chimes of the Cobh Cathedral bells playing their theme tune). They made the way to Dublin and spent a month there, practicing their new sketch “Birds of a Feather” in the Olympia Theatre, while they sorted out a work permit for Ollie for their UK tour. As a thank you to Dublin, they appeared in a one off charity show at the Olympia, where they performed this sketch for the first time ever in front of a live audience. They started their U.K. tour the next day and, sadly, never returned to Ireland.
    Now fast forward 55 years (that’s today for those not good at maths!). Jitterbugs Ireland tent member, and professional magician, Neville Wiltshire was sorting out a big box of photo negatives he had received from fellow magician in the eighties. These photos chronicled the activities of the Society of Irish Magicians from 1947 to 1968. At that time printing off 1800 pictures would have been quite expensive but now modern technology can develop the prints digitally, at a fraction of the cost. Neville wanted to include these photos into the National Theatre Archives and began the task of cataloguing them. One set was marked “Magician, Ventriloquist etc Olympia”. Neville knew the magician well and recognised the ventriloquist as a young Eugene Lambert. Those who attended last year’s European Convention in Dublin will remember Eugene, our guest of honour, who re-created the same act that he performed on that charity show with Stan and Ollie. On the very last frame of the negative were two very familiar gents. Unbelievably, Neville had uncovered a picture of Stan and Ollie, on stage at the Olympia, performing the Worldwide Premier of the ‘Birds of a Feather’ sketch.



    http://www.laurelandhardy.ie/Olympia Find.htm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    One of the leading producers and directors in the early years of Hollywood was the Dublin born Rex Ingram. In the 1920s he directed two enormously successful silent blockbusters, namely The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, starring Rudolf Valentino and an early version of Ben Hur.

    In the smaller film industry of the time he was a hugely influential figure and was once listed as one of the four most important people in the industry alongside such early luminaries as D W Griffith and Cecil B De Mille.

    As there are those who doubt the relevance of this thread to "History and Heritage" let me try and tie the two together more firmly. As I have said before, one of my favourite things about history is the number of ironies it throws up.

    The most ironic thing about Ingram was that it was not his family name. His Christian names were Reginald Ingram and he was the son of a Church of Ireland vicar. His brother was a soldier in the Leinster Regiment in the First World War and published his memoirs--Stand To, A Diary of the Trenches, widely regarded as a classic--under his true family name which brother Rex had seen fit to discard when he got to Hollywood.

    Perhaps he thought that Hitchcock was not a name that would amount to anything much in movies!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Wow Snickersman - that is a gem :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    CDfm wrote: »
    Wow Snickersman - that is a gem :)

    You want trivia, just shout. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    That's is so weird! As soon as I read that post the name triggered off something in my befuddled brain. Way back in the late 1960s I attended Aravon School in Bray and one year we had a summer fete where I bought a book - British Birds Eggs and Nests an ancient Victorian work ravaged by time and neglect - and inside there are a number of inscriptions, cartoons etc. The pics here explain better than I can. Anyway, I eventually went on to Rex Ingram's old school - St.Columba's College near Rathfarmham - and my interest in ornithology blossomed and, strangely, despite the book being in rank order and hopelessly dated it has remained in my collection ever since. So now 101 years after Rex Ingram Hitchcock signed and 'illustrated' the book, it still survives. Two questions, should I send it to Sothebys? and did Hughes ever get his skull cracked? :D

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    You want trivia, just shout. :D

    HIT ME AGAIN :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Way back in the late 1960s I attended Aravon School in Bray and one year we had a summer fete where I bought a book - British Birds Eggs and Nests an ancient Victorian work ravaged by time and neglect - and inside there are a number of inscriptions, cartoons etc. The pics here explain better than I can. Anyway, I eventually went on to Rex Ingram's old school - St.Columba's College near Rathfarmham - and my interest in ornithology blossomed and, strangely, despite the book being in rank order and hopelessly dated it has remained in my collection ever since. So now 101 years after Rex Ingram Hitchcock signed and 'illustrated' the book, it still survives. Two questions, should I send it to Sothebys? and did Hughes ever get his skull cracked? :D

    Small world! I would say hold on to it. What an heirloom.

    Aravon School. Is that the one in Wicklow that looks like Hogwarts? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Alas poor Aravon - yes the 'new' school is the Hogwarts one now owned by Chris de Burgh but that I attended was the original one in Bray town, sandwiched between Meath Road, Novara Road and Sidmonton Square - see below.

    7427_1155845630641_1662747491_383956_5708239_n.jpg

    Sorry for going way off topic. :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Hey JD - it is a fantastic little story and deserves post of the day :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Alas poor Aravon - yes the 'new' school is the Hogwarts one now owned by Chris de Burgh but that I attended was the original one in Bray town, sandwiched between Meath Road, Novara Road and Sidmonton Square - see below.

    7427_1155845630641_1662747491_383956_5708239_n.jpg

    I had to go to the "new" Aravon a few years ago because my son was taking part in a mini-rugby tournament. The surroundings left an impression.

    I half expected to see a game of Quidditch break out. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Ah Snickers Man - I went to the real Hogwerts after Aravon - St.Columba's College - up the mountain from Marlay Park. All the students wore gowns.... the prefects wore mortar boards for chapel...cloister cricket etc.etc. and as for the buildings. Sorry for going so far off topic CDfm!

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    The only picture that I could find. In my day only prefects were allowed to walk through the Quad as it was known; in the background the cloisters leading to chapel and the scene of many epic cloister cricket games. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Its not really off topic at all -the Hitchcock connection was an absolute gem. His railway scenes could have been shot on the Wicklow Railways and the drama of going back to boarding school.

    Its got me thinking about locations used for Ireland in movies and Irish locations and buildings used in movies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    A 'heritage' movie thread would be great if you can sneak it into this forum! I recently acquired a real Irish gem - "Johnny Nobody" - filmed in the late 1959/60 around Enniskerry, the Wicklow Mountains and on the, by then, defunct Harcourt St.line. It starred many of the greats from the Irish stage including Jimmy O'Dea, Noel Purcell, Cyril Cusack, and a very young Joe Lynch. Impossible to get anywhere on video or DVD and has only been on RTE once in the last thirty years - and I missed it. :D

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    Anybody recognise the location? A lobby card from the movie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Ah Snickers Man - I went to the real Hogwerts after Aravon - St.Columba's College - up the mountain from Marlay Park. All the students wore gowns.... the prefects wore mortar boards for chapel...cloister cricket etc.etc. and as for the buildings.

    And now has ended up plonked right beside the motorway.

    I went to a 'rival' school ('82-'88), King's Hospital as it happens.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm



    Anybody recognise the location? A lobby card from the movie.

    maybe you should ask on the wicklow forum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    CDfm wrote: »
    maybe you should ask on the wicklow forum.

    I know the location - it was just a tease to see if anybody else did. It's the Clock Tower in the centre of Enniskerry village. Anyway, have you started on the Irish movie thread yet - we're relying on you? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    I know the location - it was just a tease to see if anybody else did. It's the Clock Tower in the centre of Enniskerry village. Anyway, have you started on the Irish movie thread yet - we're relying on you? :)

    I actually know very little about Irish Movies - Siobhain McKenna never made any Cowboy or Action movies so we didnt see any growing up. Mr Singh my Hearts Delight is a painful childhood memory and has scarred me.

    Its something I have very little interest in.

    Though I can see something there.

    Top of Head - Moby Dick, Ryans Daughter, Barry Linden,Braveheart were made in Ireland.

    We would need a cut off date like pre-1980 or something.

    So we need a mixture of the mainstream and the obscure.

    Were there TV episodes made here.

    Then you have the Irish depicted in movies and TV - along with the US the Nazi's made a few Irish movies.Or would we limit it to movies made from irish locations.

    And , I dont know how true it is but when I was growing up I heard that porn actresses and porn movies were made in Waterford and I am not talking about Ulyssses. Nothing would surprise me about Waterford. :rolleyes:

    There is the makings of a good thread there.

    If someone were to start one I certainly would contribute.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    And you can watch Johnny Nobody free on line

    http://www.ovguide.com/movies_tv/johnny_nobody.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    CDfm wrote: »
    And you can watch Johnny Nobody free on line

    http://www.ovguide.com/movies_tv/johnny_nobody.htm

    Well I never! I hope you've gone off to watch it now. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Well I never! I hope you've gone off to watch it now. :D

    I watched the trailer -action packed to be sure :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    CDfm wrote: »
    Introducing Lola Montez

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    I dont think she ever was queen but was a countess.

    What a girl- There was a piece on Lola yesterday on Newstalk, very interesting. She had quite a big impact on Bavaria, she was involved in controversy there that eventually helped end the Bavarian kingdoms independence. She was born in Grange, Co. Sligo. I visited neuschwanstein castle near Munich last year and she formed an important part in the history tour which detailed how the people of Bavaria turned against their Monarchy as a result of her scandalous behaviour!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Two great threads by Nolanger :)
    Nolanger wrote: »
    Is it true one of the British soldiers who fought against the 1916 rising went on to become a Hollywood movie star?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056161709
    Nolanger wrote: »
    Similar to the John Loder thread, I also heard that one of Michael Collins' men who fought the British in the 1920s escaped Ireland and became a Hollywood actor? Any truth in this?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056164188


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Ah the memories. Thinking of Aravon got me thinking of Headfort where I went.

    There was an old airstrip in a field adjoining the school and lord headfort had a hanger with three or four old ww1 biplanes (replicas presumably) that had been used in the filming of the film The Blue Max in the mid sixties. I think they did all the flying for the film in Ireland. It was a big film at the time.

    I was there in the early seventies, we used to sneak around and look in through the gaps in the hanger doors. They never flew as long as I was there and I'd imagine they were not airworthy either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    InTheTrees wrote: »

    There was an old airstrip in a field adjoining the school and lord headfort had a hanger with three or four old ww1 biplanes (replicas presumably) that had been used in the filming of the film The Blue Max in the mid sixties. I think they did all the flying for the film in Ireland. It was a big film at the time.




    They certainly did. And they used Air Corps pilots to fly the old crocks. (Cue the joke about the Irish Air Corps of the 1960s being more used to flying biplanes than the supersonic pilots of other countries' air forces.)

    In fact, if there are any other old rugby fans here who remember an Irish international from the 60s and 70s called Mick Hipwell, he claimed to have been one of the pilots in that movie.

    The revelation comes in one of the books on the Lions tour of New Zealand in 1971 on which he played.

    Small world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    They certainly did. And they used Air Corps pilots to fly the old crocks. (Cue the joke about the Irish Air Corps of the 1960s being more used to flying biplanes than the supersonic pilots of other countries' air forces.)

    In fact, if there are any other old rugby fans here who remember an Irish international from the 60s and 70s called Mick Hipwell, he claimed to have been one of the pilots in that movie.

    The revelation comes in one of the books on the Lions tour of New Zealand in 1971 on which he played.

    Small world.

    I never heard that Hipwell was involved in that film - nor is he listed in the credits.
    By coincidence I bought and watched that dvd a few months ago (one of a boxed set, Aces High and 633 Squadron were the other 2, cost a tenner).
    A few of the pilots used on the Blue Max were Air Corps, most were stunt pilots. It was filmed over Weston/Callary bog, the legendary Capt. Darby Kennedy of Weston was the stunt coordinator. The viaduct under which the two pilots flew is in Middleton, and only one pilot was prepared to do the stunt, so he did it with both planes, it took about a dozen takes, and with only 4 feet or so to spare on each side!
    Several of the planes used are now in a museum in New Zealand, see http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fokker-dvii/blue-max
    P.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    The viaduct featured in the Blue Max is outside Fermoy on the now closed Mallow/Waterford railway line not Midleton. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    I never heard that Hipwell was involved in that film - nor is he listed in the credits.

    I can't lay my hand on my copy of the account of the Lions tour but I remember the author (John Reason) describing a conversation with Hipwell on the tour in which he mentioned that one of the perks of being in the Air Corps was that he was occasionally "loaned out" to film makers to fly vintage aircraft in films shot in Ireland.

    Maybe he didn't mention Blue Max specifically and perhaps he wasn't in that one and I just assumed he was. I think I might actually have stared hard at the faces of one of the pilots last time it was shown on TV and convinced myself that it was Hipwell.

    But I think he definitely was in some films that were shot in Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Does he perhaps appear in the cast as an extra - which is sometimes how these things are done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1



    Maybe he didn't mention Blue Max specifically ...........

    But I think he definitely was in some films that were shot in Ireland.

    Take your pick from Darling Lili (1970), Richtofen and Brown (1971), Zeppelin (1971) :)
    Rs
    P.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1 highbury3


    Came across your reference to Ida .

    Ida was the sister of Cyril who was great friend of my parents and of whom I was very fond,and indeed grew up calling Uncle Cyril.
    I met Ida at least once when she visited our home along with Cyril and his wife Alice...late 1950s or early 60s.I remember being excited to meet a "famous actress" who my parents seemed to know.
    I recently came across a photograph of Alice and Cyril while going through my belongings prior to a move and one thing lead to another!
    Regards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    Josef Locke (23 March 1917 – 15 October 1999) was the stage name of Joseph McLaughlin, an Irish tenor. He was successful in the United Kingdom and Ireland in the 1940s and 1950s.

    tac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭johnny_doyle


    highbury3 wrote: »
    Came across your reference to Ida .

    Ida was the sister of Cyril who was great friend of my parents and of whom I was very fond,and indeed grew up calling Uncle Cyril.
    I met Ida at least once when she visited our home along with Cyril and his wife Alice...late 1950s or early 60s.I remember being excited to meet a "famous actress" who my parents seemed to know.
    I recently came across a photograph of Alice and Cyril while going through my belongings prior to a move and one thing lead to another!
    Regards.

    thanks for the info H3. Cyril served in the RAF during WW2 and did quite well in a variety of business ventures.

    I have a BBC recording on CD of Ida from 1938.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    One of the leading producers and directors in the early years of Hollywood was the Dublin born Rex Ingram. In the 1920s he directed two enormously successful silent blockbusters, namely The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, starring Rudolf Valentino and an early version of Ben Hur.

    In the smaller film industry of the time he was a hugely influential figure and was once listed as one of the four most important people in the industry alongside such early luminaries as D W Griffith and Cecil B De Mille.

    As there are those who doubt the relevance of this thread to "History and Heritage" let me try and tie the two together more firmly. As I have said before, one of my favourite things about history is the number of ironies it throws up.

    The most ironic thing about Ingram was that it was not his family name. His Christian names were Reginald Ingram and he was the son of a Church of Ireland vicar. His brother was a soldier in the Leinster Regiment in the First World War and published his memoirs--Stand To, A Diary of the Trenches, widely regarded as a classic--under his true family name which brother Rex had seen fit to discard when he got to Hollywood.

    Perhaps he thought that Hitchcock was not a name that would amount to anything much in movies!!


    BUMP!!!

    How many years ago was this first posted?

    Today the Irish Times has a piece about him which says he is "totally forgotten now". Well, he has been dead for nearly 70 years, and all he did was make pictures.

    Who's going to remember Harvey Weinstein in 70 years time?

    Of course if they had just paid more attention to Boards.ie.....:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Peggy Cummins who died last December is another. Both parents Irish, she was born in Wales supposedly because they were stuck there in a snowstorm. Her stepfather Harry Cummins has been described as a journalist and stockbroker and it is said she grew up in Killiney, Co Dublin – where? That link seems tenable as she was married by a Killiney-based Unitarian minister in London. She also reputedly dated JFK but fell foul of the 'system' and was pushed out. An early case of #MeToo ?? Anyone got more info on the Killiney/Dublin/Harry Cummins detail??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    CDfm wrote: »
    His early career was that of an Irish Times cub reporter and he trained as an actor in the Abbey & the Gate.

    I share a birthday with him and he is Willfred Brambell who played Paul McCartneys Grandfather in A Hard Days Night .

    He was reputedly born or grew up in Kingstown, or as we call it now Dun Laoghaire.

    It is sad that his reputation has suffered since his death in 1985.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    The family lived in Rathmines in 1911
    and in the earlier 1901 there were Brambles visiting brewery relatives in Sandycove. By 1911 the Sandycove family had moved to Bray, Novara Avenue. (More suited for work in Guinesses, Bray - Harcourt St. line.) Both addresses nicely middle class.


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