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Limerick GAA Discussion Part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Munsterbhoy


    lim4ev wrote: »
    I think I just vomited reading about Dowling where did this come from is this definite? I knew he'd an operation and was struggling but out for the year?? On top of English this is bad lads.... very bad

    Common knowledge within the Na piarsaigh/caherdavin area unfortunately. I personally was told by a close relative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭slegs


    Dowling and Engilsh are big losses but never in Limerick's history have we been better placed to deal with big blows like this. Costello for English and Flanagan for Dowling aren't bad replacements and could work out very well. Flanagan was very good in first half against Cork and seems to be getting his confidence back (wasn't at yesterday's game so don't know how he did there)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Does anyone have an update on the likes of Pat Ryan, Peter Casey, Adrian Breen i.e when they will return to the fold. Also is Conor Boylan injured?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭Pandiani


    billyhead wrote: »
    Does anyone have an update on the likes of Pat Ryan, Peter Casey, Adrian Breen i.e when they will return to the fold. Also is Conor Boylan injured?

    Kiely said yesterday that Peter Casey should resume full contact training this Thursday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    slegs wrote: »
    Dowling and Engilsh are big losses but never in Limerick's history have we been better placed to deal with big blows like this. Costello for English and Flanagan for Dowling aren't bad replacements and could work out very well. Flanagan was very good in first half against Cork and seems to be getting his confidence back (wasn't at yesterday's game so don't know how he did there)

    You have to also consider the knock on effect though, in that scenario you then need to replace Flanagan and Costello, it's no longer a 15 man game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Luimneach2018


    slegs wrote: »
    Dowling and Engilsh are big losses but never in Limerick's history have we been better placed to deal with big blows like this. Costello for English and Flanagan for Dowling aren't bad replacements and could work out very well. Flanagan was very good in first half against Cork and seems to be getting his confidence back (wasn't at yesterday's game so don't know how he did there)

    I would be careful in terms of expectations on Costello for the very fact that the standard set by Finn, Casey and English over 2018 and 2019 was as follows; 6 All-Star nominations, 3 All-Stars won, 1 Munster hurler of the year. The standard set by those three is outstanding, huge shoes to fill for Costello, he's not a like for like replacement. But for a rookie he's relatively experienced, has county and Munster medals at club level and has experience of an All-Ireland club final.

    Its unusual for a player to be 26/27 years old before making his championship debut at the moment, but on the flip side he's about as experienced a rookie as you could hope for, and he has been very solid at club level.

    You mentioned Flanagan; one of the few positives from yesterday, he's going very well this year. The whole thing was very sluggish, a lot of them made sloppy errors, hand passes and short passes gone astray, they got themselves into trouble a few times with unforced errors. I'd give them a free pass on account of the fact they looked tired which after a week training in Portugal is understandable, they started very well (11 points to 1 up after 15 minutes or something like that) and just seemed to completely run out of steam.

    The question of depth; I feel we have a good core of 20 players we can have full confidence in to start a game, and another dozen maybe on top of this who can be called upon to finish a game.

    It seems to be this dozen that the management have really focused on by giving them plenty of game time to help bring them on a bit more. The likes of Barry Hennessy, David Dempsey, David Reidy, Aaron Costello, Robbie Hanley and Barry Nash have received more game time this year than they ever had up to now previously. And I was very happy to see starts handed to three young lads yesterday in Considine, Ryan and O'Connell.

    It seems there is an emphasis on competition and giving those who weren't starting every opportunity to stake a claim in 2020, I feel complacency may have been an issue at times last year because we tended to go on runs of 2/3 games being phenomenally good last year only to inexplicably fall flat. I don't know if they just fell into a comfort zone last year but it would seem the selection policy this year suggests very few players are safe on the team now.

    The full back line will be Finn, Casey and Costello. He has done enough to keep that jersey ahead of Tom Condon I feel who like last year was extremely unlucky at the timing of his injury. And I feel Lynch and O'Donoghue are almost certain to be our midfield pairing. Outside of that though, we pretty much have 5 solid options across the half back, half forward and full forward lines. Very difficult to predict a starting 15 come May.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Luimneach2018


    Barry Nash at corner back and Kyle Hayes starting at midfield; I wasn't expecting that.

    I reckon the thinking here is it was a nice problem to have last year in terms of which three of Byrnes, Hannon, Morrissey and O'Loughlin in the half back positions. Adding Nash to those four turns that nice problem into a headache as 4 into 3 is easier to deal with than 5 into 3.

    Solution; take one of those 5 and see if they can give us a bit of much needed depth in the full back line. I would have thought Dan Morrissey would have gotten the nod in that respect as he has been deployed at full back previously in the league and pre season competition in the previous three years.

    Nash at corner back is an interesting call though, I look forward to seeing how that works out, and Hayes dropped back to midfield once O'Donovan was sent off so a case of picking up where he left off I guess. I think they might be minding Finn as much as they are assessing Nash at corner back, I believe he (Finn) is nursing a slight hamstring issue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    Barry Nash at corner back and Kyle Hayes starting at midfield; I wasn't expecting that.

    I reckon the thinking here is it was a nice problem to have last year in terms of which three of Byrnes, Hannon, Morrissey and O'Loughlin in the half back positions. Adding Nash to those four turns that nice problem into a headache as 4 into 3 is easier to deal with than 5 into 3.

    Solution; take one of those 5 and see if they can give us a bit of much needed depth in the full back line. I would have thought Dan Morrissey would have gotten the nod in that respect as he has been deployed at full back previously in the league and pre season competition in the previous three years.

    Nash at corner back is an interesting call though, I look forward to seeing how that works out, and Hayes dropped back to midfield once O'Donovan was sent off so a case of picking up where he left off I guess. I think they might be minding Finn as much as they are assessing Nash at corner back, I believe he (Finn) is nursing a slight hamstring issue.

    Yea I agree with that, still I'm delighted to see them trying nash at corner back good to see them thinking outside the box we badly need cover there even if Costello fulfills the talent a colleague of his tells me he has in abundance,nash definitely has the hurling to play anywhere and might be able to do a job there if required. Still think k hayes is needed at 11 plus Flanagans form is a huge boost and lessens somewhat the losses of English and Dowling


  • Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Mehapoy


    lim4ev wrote: »
    Yea I agree with that, still I'm delighted to see them trying nash at corner back good to see them thinking outside the box we badly need cover there even if Costello fulfills the talent a colleague of his tells me he has in abundance,nash definitely has the hurling to play anywhere and might be able to do a job there if required. Still think k hayes is needed at 11 plus Flanagans form is a huge boost and lessens somewhat the losses of English and Dowling
    Still think dowling and english are such losses and where we were weaker, dowling is such a loss coming off the bench, giving the crowd and team a lift, he always makes an impact too, cork and galway 2018 and kilkenny 2019. Maybe nash could have a role as a distributor in the fb line although hed be targetted by opposition defensively in every game. Costello looks comfortable at the moment but we need cover there still.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭paddy no 11


    Reasonable win tonight, good to see a few lads getting more time

    Flaws are obvious been covered in last 2 pages

    Hannon and reidy came into it after poor starts

    Not too many errors when in possession from our half back line was good

    Mul outstanding as ever - sets a standard everytime most consistent and best player in the country the last 3 years


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Luimneach2018


    Things have gone awful quiet in here!

    I miss the hurling something awful. I loved taking in the two rounds of club games in April.

    Checking the news after each round hoping that all of the county panel came through unscathed, and once the rounds were run off, the countdown begins to our first outing in Munster.

    The last two years were great because you'd often be waiting until June for our first championship game. We really were spoiled in 2018 and 2019.

    Now once those club games were run off you weren't waiting that long for championship, and with the new format the games came at you thick and fast.

    And remember this time last year, we were riding the crest of a wave, All-Ireland champions and a largely untroubled run to league success in Croke Park at the end of March.

    We were even better in 2019 than 2018. Best team in the country last year, we were more consistent in 2018. 2019, at our best, unstoppable. We just didn't always bring our very best to the table. Tipperary were solid and the most consistent team much like ourselves in 2018, as much as it pains me to say it they fully deserved the title last year.

    That feeling of nervous anticipation would be kicking in around now just under two weeks out from the game down in Páirc Ui Chaoimh, I miss it so much it almost hurts a little!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Dcmb1984


    I watched and re-watched the semi final and final of 2018, I firmly believe the 2020 team are 8 to 10pts better than the 2018. Looking back its easy to see on 2018 we were a work in progress. Keily and Kennerk were trying to get 30 lads to play a certain way but all these things take time and I believe this year, Keily and Kinnerk had Limerick playing like a finely tuned formula 1 car.
    We had everything going for us this spring. Playing very well as a unit, and as a interchangeable unit. Flanagan was back and playing well. English obviously was a loss and Dowling.
    We had beaten Cork in Cork. All our ducks in a row.
    Season ticket in the wallet.
    Expecting a long summer with plenty of milage.
    Then.........then some Chinese fella ate a bat!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Dcmb1984 wrote: »
    I watched and re-watched the semi final and final of 2018, I firmly believe the 2020 team are 8 to 10pts better than the 2018. Looking back its easy to see on 2018 we were a work in progress. Keily and Kennerk were trying to get 30 lads to play a certain way but all these things take time and I believe this year, Keily and Kinnerk had Limerick playing like a finely tuned formula 1 car.
    We had everything going for us this spring. Playing very well as a unit, and as a interchangeable unit. Flanagan was back and playing well. English obviously was a loss and Dowling.
    We had beaten Cork in Cork. All our ducks in a row.
    Season ticket in the wallet.
    Expecting a long summer with plenty of milage.
    Then.........then some Chinese fella ate a bat!

    Good post. Agree. I thought this was our year. It looked promising and the week away training in the sun too. Tipp did likewise last year and look what happened.


  • Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭xredmanlfcx


    Great to see all of the dances that the senior and U20 hurlers are doing to raise money for Milford Hospice. Videos available on Limerick GAA's Twitter and Facebook pages.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 johnjoeR


    Dcmb1984 wrote: »
    I watched and re-watched the semi final and final of 2018, I firmly believe the 2020 team are 8 to 10pts better than the 2018. Looking back its easy to see on 2018 we were a work in progress. Keily and Kennerk were trying to get 30 lads to play a certain way but all these things take time and I believe this year, Keily and Kinnerk had Limerick playing like a finely tuned formula 1 car.
    We had everything going for us this spring. Playing very well as a unit, and as a interchangeable unit. Flanagan was back and playing well. English obviously was a loss and Dowling.
    We had beaten Cork in Cork. All our ducks in a row.
    Season ticket in the wallet.
    Expecting a long summer with plenty of milage.
    Then.........then some Chinese fella ate a bat!

    Sure twas either a chineese man eating a bat or a limerick man eating humble pie.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Dcmb1984 wrote: »
    I watched and re-watched the semi final and final of 2018, I firmly believe the 2020 team are 8 to 10pts better than the 2018. Looking back its easy to see on 2018 we were a work in progress. Keily and Kennerk were trying to get 30 lads to play a certain way but all these things take time and I believe this year, Keily and Kinnerk had Limerick playing like a finely tuned formula 1 car.
    We had everything going for us this spring. Playing very well as a unit, and as a interchangeable unit. Flanagan was back and playing well. English obviously was a loss and Dowling.
    We had beaten Cork in Cork. All our ducks in a row.
    Season ticket in the wallet.
    Expecting a long summer with plenty of milage.
    Then.........then some Chinese fella ate a bat!
    nobody knows the truth, could have came from a lab aswel, Chinese politics and transparency are 2 very different entities...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭paddy no 11


    Dcmb1984 wrote: »
    I watched and re-watched the semi final and final of 2018, I firmly believe the 2020 team are 8 to 10pts better than the 2018. Looking back its easy to see on 2018 we were a work in progress. Keily and Kennerk were trying to get 30 lads to play a certain way but all these things take time and I believe this year, Keily and Kinnerk had Limerick playing like a finely tuned formula 1 car.
    We had everything going for us this spring. Playing very well as a unit, and as a interchangeable unit. Flanagan was back and playing well. English obviously was a loss and Dowling.
    We had beaten Cork in Cork. All our ducks in a row.
    Season ticket in the wallet.
    Expecting a long summer with plenty of milage.
    Then.........then some Chinese fella ate a bat!

    we're not done yet


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    If its straight knock out it will suit the likes of Waterford and Clare. They have the smaller squads but they can both put out good starting 15s. Limerick have nothing to fear but they were used to the groups and had always done well in them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    If its straight knock out it will suit the likes of Waterford and Clare. They have the smaller squads but they can both put out good starting 15s. Limerick have nothing to fear but they were used to the groups and had always done well in them.

    There may be less games but the schedule will be more condensed, I would argue that it leaves teams more exposed t injuries and squad depth will be even more important.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    There may be less games but the schedule will be more condensed, I would argue that it leaves teams more exposed t injuries and squad depth will be even more important.

    Depends, how condensed will it be? If the mooting of mid December for finals was correct then it's loads of time to play 5/6 games, compared to one month for 4 games as it currently is in Munster under round robin.

    Though there might actually be an advantage in winning Munster for once.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Clare in the Quarters and also league final.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭slegs


    There will be some build up and excitement for that game after the long break. No love lost between both teams and Lohan will have Clare foaming at the mouth for revenge for the drubbing they took in the Gaelic Grounds last year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Dcmb1984


    Will it be home or away for Limerick?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Dcmb1984 wrote: »
    Will it be home or away for Limerick?

    Not sure. Will they play it in a neutral venue. Without crowds it won't really make a difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭Munsterbhoy


    billyhead wrote: »
    Not sure. Will they play it in a neutral venue. Without crowds it won't really make a difference.

    Great draw for us in my opinion. Get over clare and we'll have a game behind us before Tipp who we hammered last Yr.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭slegs


    billyhead wrote: »
    Not sure. Will they play it in a neutral venue. Without crowds it won't really make a difference.

    Have they said for sure no crowds? Would have thought by October they could have some crowds even if reduced


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    slegs wrote: »
    Have they said for sure no crowds? Would have thought by October they could have some crowds even if reduced

    True. They might have limited numbers. I prefer us playing in the QF then meeting Tipp without a game under the belt presuming we beat Clare 😁


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Portlaoise thought I heard Marty saying it would be played there

    That's were the draw was made. It will be played in Munster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    If Limerick lose to Clare then the year is over and vice versa. Actually the only route I see for Clare and Limerick is the front door. Win Munster and 2 week break.
    It's a tough draw. Limerick v Waterford in asemi would have been better. The likes of Tipperary will always be ok coming in cold. Actually they are the one county that can cope with it. Beat Clare with no injuries...Beat Tipp..munster final against a fresh Cork. Big big ask. I cant see it..


  • Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭Walter.White


    billyhead wrote: »
    That's were the draw was made. It will be played in Munster.

    Guess I thought wrong then! Going to be a tough game both teams looked impressive in the league. Anything could happen with both teams having such a long lay off. Game should bring us on for the semi if we manage to get to it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    If Limerick lose to Clare then the year is over and vice versa. Actually the only route I see for Clare and Limerick is the front door. Win Munster and 2 week break.
    It's a tough draw. Limerick v Waterford in asemi would have been better. The likes of Tipperary will always be ok coming in cold. Actually they are the one county that can cope with it. Beat Clare with no injuries...Beat Tipp..munster final against a fresh Cork. Big big ask. I cant see it..
    if Limerick bring their A game they have nothing to fear from Clare or Tipp, and I wouldn't be so sure Cork will beat Waterford either time will tell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭The_Dave


    Shane Dowling has retired from intercounty hurling


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭raindodger


    Just read the article in the examiner re shane.
    Really feel for him as it meant so much to him.
    Has been a massive influence with his performance and attitude.
    Been watching some of the limerick games didnt realise at the time what a gamechanger he was.
    Favourite recent score was his overhead goal against kilkenny which nearly dragged us back into the game.
    Best of luck to him in whatever he does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Dcmb1984


    The_Dave wrote:
    Shane Dowling has retired from intercounty hurling


    Very disappointed to hear this. A fantastic player with a fantastic approach to game, on and off the field. A great hurling brain as they say. Best of luck to him in the future.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭paddy no 11


    Ah feck, terrible not to see him get one more go at this years all ireland

    His talk after the 2018 semi final, the 2011 match v cork, goal in the all ireland final, turning games in 2013 munster, overhead goal for NaP 2 years ago - great memories for him and us


  • Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭Deisegodeo


    One of my favourite hurlers around today outside of Waterford. his skills and accuracy were incredible. hopefully we see him play with the club in the future but his health is most important and wish him all the best in this regard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    Super player super guy super ambassador for Limerick our bench looks a lot lighter without him. I wish him the best for the future in everything he does


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    A real pity and shame comes across as such a good character aswel, to retire at 27 he's fitted such much success to be fair to him, such a natural player, a proper baller as they say in soccer circles.Hopefully he can keep playing at club level and most importantly he's knee issue doesn't impact too much outside of hurling or later in life,with his infectious type of personality wouldn't be surprised to see some media work down the line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,507 ✭✭✭High bike


    Huge loss coming off the bench, he was some impact sub to have


  • Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Mehapoy


    As others have said, Shame that Shane Dowling is forced to retire at only 27, fantastic forward for Limerick and won so many honours in a few short years. Would have no doubt he would have remained a big part of the Limerick setup if he was injury free. Would credit him greatly in 2018 with his speech after the semi off the field and the heroics on it.
    Hopefully he gets involved in coaching and management as he's a great talker and knows how to win.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    It'll be hard for him as his whole life and 'brand' was based around his hurling. When he took on the role of a substitute and gave his all to it ,he blossomed. He was no athlete but worked hard for the last few years. The only man you wanted to see stepping up to a penalty or last minute free. His legs were always going to be his downfall. Just two big tree trunks that seemed to hamper him. That was genetics and he fought against it his whole career.
    There should be an incentive for the whole panel to work hard and become one of the finishers. However my worry is going into the last 5 to 10 minutes of a tight game Gillane could miss 1 or 2. His technique has a fair few flaws..and his judgement of wind etc has never been good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Who will be our super sub now. Seamus Flanagan?


  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭LMK


    The_Dave wrote: »
    Shane Dowling has retired from intercounty hurling

    What a pity for him and us, no 2018 AI without him, most of all his temperament set him apart, put him on the big stage and he produced, super attitude as well... what achievements he's had. One of the best.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭paddy no 11


    billyhead wrote: »
    Who will be our super sub now. Seamus Flanagan?

    THink flanagan will tear it up this year....certain start at 14


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    I wouldnt have Flanagan as a finisher. He's a starter,never going to score 1.2 or 1.3. Hard to replace Dowlings input. His vision for the pass was great. Flanagans is too in fairness. I'd think there's an opening on the panel for a scoring forward/ free taker. Anything happens Gillane then the responsibility falls on Morrissey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,963 ✭✭✭billyhead


    THink flanagan will tear it up this year....certain start at 14

    Will Peter Casey start on the bench. AG @ GMc are guaranteed starters anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    billyhead wrote: »
    Will Peter Casey start on the bench. AG @ GMc are guaranteed starters anyway.

    I think he will I think the ff line from 18 will start if fit. Flanagan off form last yr was biggest reson for me why we didn't win the all Ireland


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭paddy no 11


    Good win for kilmallock the other night

    Despite their backs being at sea early on they battled from 15mins on and out fought Na P with Mulcahy being the best player on show

    Some poor defending out there and Lmk in general need to uncover a few backs

    Breen and OOR done there county chances no harm

    Casey picked up 3 points but hardly grabbed a county jersey by any means


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    I hear Joe Canning is after buying a house in Monaleen wonder will he transfer lol


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭slegs


    Kilmallock v Ahane and Doon V Patrickwell to be shown live on RTE 2 on August 8. How times have changed that a Limerick championship double header is live prime time viewing on a Saturday night on RTE!

    https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/561625/rte-television-to-screen-live-limerick-club-hurling-double-header.html


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