Lidl e-scooter this week

Xterminator · 14-07-2020 3:24pm

I don't know where to start

which funny enough might be the reason the government has not yet legislated.

14-07-2020 4:14pm

ted1 wrote: »

No it’s nothing like an E-Bike as per law an E-Bike requires continuous pedalling. If the pedals stop rotating the engine stops.

It’s more like a kick start on a motorbike

There are plenty of E-bikes going around that require no pedal assistance I regularly see them flying along with no peddling happening.

grogi wrote: »

Get them where?
* On the sidewalks where they are far too fast and dangerous for the pedestrians?
* On the patchy cycle ways, where scooter wheels cannot cope with holes
* or on the road, where not only it cannot cope with discraseful road quality, it simply is too slow?

They are a brilliant idea, but this idea doesn't work...

I see them being used multiple times per day on bike lanes and on the side of the road without issue. The same people too a lot of the time so they obviously aren't falling and getting put off using them.

mrcheez · 14-07-2020 4:15pm

If anyone bought one of these and wants to know how to change to kph let me know!

It's a bit cumbersome but I can list out the steps if required.

ED E · 14-07-2020 5:45pm

Isabella Scarce Broccoli wrote: »

There are plenty of E-bikes going around that require no pedal assistance I regularly see them flying along with no peddling happening.

Thats a motorbike.

grogi · 14-07-2020 8:05pm

mrcheez wrote: »

wow so much wrong with this glass is half-empty post I don't know where to start

Your post was completely empty...

mrcheez · 14-07-2020 9:06pm

Nice comeback

Incidentally, this is proving fantastic.
I was about to make dinner last night, realised I was missing some ingredients. Normally I'd have to either unlock the bike shed, get the lock and panniers sorted, then lock the bike up at the shop, load up the panniers, lock the bike back up yadda yadda.

Or..get the car out, find a parking spot, deal with traffic etc.

Instead I just grabbed a plastic bag, grabbed my debit card, shot off to the shop on the scooter, folded it up, bought what I needed and was back.

9 minutes and 30 seconds in total.

Love this thing

3d4life · 14-07-2020 10:17pm

mrcheez wrote: »

....
Incidentally, this is proving fantastic.
I was about to make dinner last night, realised I was missing some ingredients. Normally I'd have to either ......

DFB Tweet urges caution when charging this class of thing

( https:// ) twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1282752092176822274

Gumbo · 14-07-2020 11:27pm

mrcheez wrote: »

Nice comeback

Incidentally, this is proving fantastic.
I was about to make dinner last night, realised I was missing some ingredients. Normally I'd have to either unlock the bike shed, get the lock and panniers sorted, then lock the bike up at the shop, load up the panniers, lock the bike back up yadda yadda.

Or..get the car out, find a parking spot, deal with traffic etc.

Instead I just grabbed a plastic bag, grabbed my debit card, shot off to the shop on the scooter, folded it up, bought what I needed and was back.

9 minutes and 30 seconds in total.

Love this thing

Amateur

Leave the debit card at home and use your phone

ted1 · 15-07-2020 1:05am

Isabella Scarce Broccoli wrote: »

There are plenty of E-bikes going around that require no pedal assistance I regularly see them flying along with no peddling happening.

I see them being used multiple times per day on bike lanes and on the side of the road without issue. The same people too a lot of the time so they obviously aren't falling and getting put off using them.

They are motorbikes not e-bikes

mrcheez · 15-07-2020 10:29am

Gumbo wrote: »

Amateur
Leave the debit card at home and use your phone

Normally I use my watch, without my phone.. but it wasn't charged

Also forgot to mention... I grabbed my mask.. very important y'all

mrcheez · 15-07-2020 10:56am

When I asked Lidl how to change mph to kph, they sent me a video which exposed a menu with up to nine "P" settings. They only showed me one setting, but apparently it's common for these scooters to have loads of "P" settings including changing the max speed from the built in 11-15mph, plus also the possibility to be able to start the scooter without having to kick off.

https://www.voromotors.com/blogs/news/ever-wonder-what-does-p0-p9-stands-for

15-07-2020 1:56pm

the main disadvantage with these things is, assuming you are an adult and not a child, how preposterous you look using one.

the e-bikes don't have that issue.

Higgins5473 · 15-07-2020 2:29pm

glasso wrote: »

the main disadvantage with these things is, assuming you are an adult and not a child, how preposterous you look using one.

the e-bikes don't have that issue.

The main point to them is practicality and they do seem to be very practical so I'm not sure any one using them cares about what they look like on one. The other thing is they are quite new, I doubt the guy on the first push bike had people looking at him thinking he looked great. Anything that gets you from A to B with less cost, time and more convenience, who cares what you look like? I'd wear a ballerina dress along with anything else on any kind of contraption if it got me to work with all that added in.

15-07-2020 2:34pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

The main point to them is practicality and they do seem to be very practical so I'm not sure any one using them cares about what they look like on one. The other thing is they are quite new, I doubt the guy on the first push bike had people looking at him thinking he looked great. Anything that gets you from A to B with less cost, time and more convenience, who cares what you look like? I'd wear a ballerina dress along with anything else on any kind of contraption if it got me to work with all that added in.

they have been around for years (for at least 4 they have been seen regularly in the city centre) in the Dublin area.

it's a personal opinion of course.

they certainly can be practical in certain circumstances although the crappy surfaces and holes present in bike lanes, roads, paths etc in Dublin for example are not suited to the smallish wheels imo.

mrcheez · 15-07-2020 3:46pm

glasso wrote: »

the main disadvantage with these things is, assuming you are an adult and not a child, how preposterous you look using one.

the e-bikes don't have that issue.

The first person that used Alexa to control their house probably sounded preposterous.

Now loads are doing it

This is the Alexa of quick commuting... you don't realise you want it until you get it, then after you get it you realise you can't live without it.

redcup342 · 15-07-2020 4:07pm

Sono wrote: »

13km out of the battery seems brutal no?

Actually more range just means a bigger battery = more weight.

Mine is only 12km range, I wouldn't really ever see myself doing more than 5km as my use case is going to work and back home or going from where I parked the car to the place I want to be.

Any bigger and I wouldn't be able to carry it up to the 4th floor by stairs (comfortably)

glasso wrote: »

the main disadvantage with these things is, assuming you are an adult and not a child, how preposterous you look using one.

the e-bikes don't have that issue.

Ya I don't really care how I look, just means:

A. I don't have to take public Transport (Coronavirus)
B. It won't get nicked at work or home as I can easily carry it inside.
C. Can take it on Public Transport for free if I really have to
D. It fits in the boot of a car.

15-07-2020 4:16pm

ED E wrote: »

Thats a motorbike.

ted1 wrote: »

They are motorbikes not e-bikes

They are under the guise of E-Bikes though and people are modding their E-Bikes to bypass the pedal requirement etc. The bikes I'm talking about just look like normal E-Bikes but if you watch the people cycling them they are clearly able to go without the pedalling requirement.

I have seen one or two normal push bikes modified to use a small petrol engine around too but these are clearly not E-bikes and would be very very easy to catch someone out.

mrcheez · 15-07-2020 4:16pm

The first ape to walk on two legs was probably belittled by the other apes

Now... who needs legs?

15-07-2020 4:23pm

redcup342 wrote: »

Ya I don't really care how I look, just means:

A. I don't have to take public Transport (Coronavirus)
B. It won't get nicked at work or home as I can easily carry it inside.
C. Can take it on Public Transport for free if I really have to
D. It fits in the boot of a car.

all the same points apply for this folding e-bike - thinking of getting this model

much better and safer wheel size imo, gears, range and for me it looks a lot better.

more expensive, but not prohibitively so.

heavier but would not be carrying it over long distances

https://www.fiido.com/d4s

Higgins5473 · 15-07-2020 4:51pm

glasso wrote: »

all the same points apply for this folding e-bike - thinking of getting this model

much better and safer wheel size imo, gears, range and for me it looks a lot better.

more expensive, but not prohibitively so.

heavier but would not be carrying it over long distances

https://www.fiido.com/d4s

The small wheels and safety, road usage and quality of Irish roads I'm sure is a legitimate negative for purchasing/using them but seems to be overstated and the go to response and argument used here. The roads here are not that bad.

Lisbon has widespread government supported rental e-scooter system similar to the dublin bikes, you will barely see a street without someone using one and the rental spots very frequent. The roads in the city are atrocious, narrow, cobbled and when I say hilly, it is putting it mildly, yet an awful lot of people use them and is very successful. And this is a far more densely populated city than Dublin. We do everything we can in Ireland to hinder and block initiative and progress in making things more convenient for people. Uber? No. Lyft? No. Airbnb? Lets regulate and tax into red tape hell to the point of where its not worth doing for many. Planning permission etc....list goes on.
I realise this is not all about Dublin but I am just using it as it is probably the one of the areas in this country where they are most needed and would be most welcomed because public transport here is atrocious in terms of service, reliability, availability and atrociously expensive.

Although legalising them seemed to be in the pipeline I'd fear these will most likely result in requiring taxation and licensing (along with ebikes after a review) and will die a death causing further congestion and mayhem.

15-07-2020 5:03pm

Higgins5473 wrote: »

The small wheels and safety, road usage and quality of Irish roads I'm sure is a legitimate negative for purchasing/using them but seems to be overstated and the go to response and argument used here. The roads here are not that bad.

Lisbon has widespread government supported rental e-scooter system similar to the dublin bikes, you will barely see a street without someone using one and the rental spots very frequent. The roads in the city are atrocious, narrow, cobbled and when I say hilly, it is putting it mildly, yet an awful lot of people use them and is very successful. And this is a far more densely populated city than Dublin. We do everything we can in Ireland to hinder and block initiative and progress in making things more convenient for people. Uber? No. Lyft? No. Airbnb? Lets regulate and tax into red tape hell to the point of where its not worth doing for many. Planning permission etc....list goes on.
I realise this is not all about Dublin but I am just using it as it is probably the one of the areas in this country where they are most needed and would be most welcomed because public transport here is atrocious in terms of service, reliability, availability and atrociously expensive.

Although legalising them seemed to be in the pipeline I'd fear these will most likely result in requiring taxation and licensing (along with ebikes after a review) and will die a death causing further congestion and mayhem.

I'd be all for hoping that it doesn't come to that but too often as you say it seems that the Irish way out is to tax new things at every opportunity.

redcup342 · 15-07-2020 5:10pm

glasso wrote: »

all the same points apply for this folding e-bike - thinking of getting this model

much better and safer wheel size imo, gears, range and for me it looks a lot better.

more expensive, but not prohibitively so.

heavier but would not be carrying it over long distances

https://www.fiido.com/d4s

I have the Fiido D1 (same bike minus the shock on the back)

Awkward as hell to carry on public transport, doesn't fold completely flat so not a great shape to fit in a boot.

17KG with its shape is too awkward to carry up and down apartment stairs.

Also as mentioned already it's more of a scooter than a bike, if you run out of juice you will have a very hard time cycling it with the tiny wheels.

15-07-2020 5:21pm

the d4 has 20 inch spoked-wheels, not 14 inch ones like the d1

it's quite a different bike

mrcheez · 15-07-2020 5:31pm

Now that I'm hooked on e-commuting, I think this will be my next purchase

https://www.geekbuying.com/item/SYL-08-Electric-Skateboard-Off-Road-With-Remote-Control-Black-392971.html

No illegality here... sure it's just a skateboard boss

ted1 · 15-07-2020 10:00pm

mrcheez wrote: »

Now that I'm hooked on e-commuting, I think this will be my next purchase

https://www.geekbuying.com/item/SYL-08-Electric-Skateboard-Off-Road-With-Remote-Control-Black-392971.html

No illegality here... sure it's just a skateboard boss

That’s a mountain board not a skate board

mrcheez · 15-07-2020 10:04pm

ted1 wrote: »

That’s a mountain board not a skate board

It's a board with skate trucks...a skate board if you will.

ongarite · 15-07-2020 10:13pm

I've done around 500km on a Mi 365 scooter.
Great mode of transport for short journeys if you don't need to drive.
Never had any issues or concerns over using it over poor surfaces/cycle lanes; just watch your surrounding & you will be fine.

They are an even better prospect for commute to work over a bike as shower/changing facilities are closed due to COVID-19 concerns for the foreseeable.

redcup342 · 16-07-2020 12:41pm

glasso wrote: »

the d4 has 20 inch spoked-wheels, not 14 inch ones like the d1

it's quite a different bike

Regardless it's still too heavy and and there is no locking mechanism to close it. You'd eventually injure yourself carrying it upstairs.

16-07-2020 1:37pm

redcup342 wrote: »

Regardless it's still too heavy and and there is no locking mechanism to close it. You'd eventually injure yourself carrying it upstairs.

It's only 18kg

and I'll won't be planning on bringing it up stairs ever really.-

Main reason is that I would use it for some longerish 5 mile commutes regularly and for hills where a scooter just doesn't cut the mustard.

Also the e-bikes will stay more under the radar I believe compared to scooters even though some are throttle-based.

redcup342 · 16-07-2020 3:43pm

glasso wrote: »

It's only 18kg and I'll won't be planning on bringing it up stairs ever really.-

Main reason is that I would use it for some longerish 5 mile commutes regularly and for hills where a scooter just doesn't cut the mustard.

Also the e-bikes will stay more under the radar I believe compared to scooters even though some are throttle-based.

Lucky for you

for me I live on the 4th floor with no elevator. 18KG is fine to lift irregularly , however over time you can injure yourself (10/20 times per week)

I'd only consider a Brompton in the future the Chinese foldies are a bit of a joke really.

Let us know how you get on

Carlow man · 22-01-2021 1:17am

What about electric mobility scooters are they going to bring in a law for then to be taxed and insured

ED E · 22-01-2021 1:34am

Carlow man wrote: »

What about electric mobility scooters are they going to bring in a law for then to be taxed and insured

Invalid carriages are specifically exempted.

"invalid carriage" means a mechanically propelled vehicle the weight unladen of which does not exceed 6 cwt. and which is specially designed and constructed for the use of persons suffering from a physical defect or disability and which is used solely by such persons;

paruss100 · 27-04-2021 5:23pm

Sorry to hijack an old ish thread but I feel this is the right place for this. Anyone know much about this scooter? Seems like good value at €280 given the 22km range. Specs seem very limited though, no mention of top speed. Attachment not found.

mrcheez · 27-04-2021 6:26pm

paruss100 wrote: »

Sorry to hijack an old ish thread but I feel this is the right place for this. Anyone know much about this scooter? Seems like good value at €280 given the 22km range. Specs seem very limited though, no mention of top speed. Attachment not found.

No idea on that one, but I'm still using my Lidl one from last year almost daily.

Bear in mind that the range may not actually be 22km (or at least it might for a few weeks) but will probably default to around 15km... which is still impressive!

Loving my one anyway.. great for getting up to the shops and back in around 15mins, vs using up a full hour walking, or having to drive up and find parking.

Dutchy · 27-04-2021 6:47pm

Out of genuine interest as I'm thinking of buying one myself. Where do you park the scooter when going to the shop? The risk of theft is real I'd imagine. Or do you carry it in with you or otherwise?

paruss100 · 27-04-2021 6:53pm

Dutchy wrote: »

Out of genuine interest as I'm thinking of buying one myself. Where do you park the scooter when going to the shop? The risk of theft is real I'd imagine. Or do you carry it in with you or otherwise?

I used to own one and I used to just fold it up and lock it like a bike, with a bike lock through the back wheel. But sometimes I would just carry it into the shop with me if I wasn’t stopping for long.

paruss100 · 27-04-2021 7:05pm

mrcheez wrote: »

No idea on that one, but I'm still using my Lidl one from last year almost daily.

Bear in mind that the range may not actually be 22km (or at least it might for a few weeks) but will probably default to around 15km... which is still impressive!

Loving my one anyway.. great for getting up to the shops and back in around 15mins, vs using up a full hour walking, or having to drive up and find parking.

Thanks, yeah used to have an m365 which said it got 30km but was really closer to 25. 15 ish would be plenty for me though with my commute. Anyone bring these on Irish rail?

paruss100 · 27-04-2021 8:20pm

Ok think I found some more info on it.

Looks good actually, has a removable battery and seems nice and compact and light for the range it has.

https://www.lidl.de/de/doc-green-e-scooter-ewa-6000-ekfv-max-22-km/p373180?searchTrackingQuery=doc%20green&searchTrackingId=Product.373180&searchTrackingPos=1&searchTrackingOrigPos=1&searchTrackingRelevancy=97.2&searchTrackingPage=1&searchTrackingPageSize=36&searchTrackingOrigPageSize=36

mrcheez · 27-04-2021 8:25pm

Dutchy wrote: »

Out of genuine interest as I'm thinking of buying one myself. Where do you park the scooter when going to the shop? The risk of theft is real I'd imagine. Or do you carry it in with you or otherwise?

Carry it into the shop

mrcheez · 27-04-2021 8:26pm

paruss100 wrote: »

Thanks, yeah used to have an m365 which said it got 30km but was really closer to 25. 15 ish would be plenty for me though with my commute. Anyone bring these on Irish rail?

I've carried mine everywhere and never had issues

ED E · 28-04-2021 1:42am

Dutchy wrote: »

Out of genuine interest as I'm thinking of buying one myself. Where do you park the scooter when going to the shop? The risk of theft is real I'd imagine. Or do you carry it in with you or otherwise?

Ive seen lads put their basket on the bed of the scooter and walk it around Tesco. Works well it seems.

mrcheez · 28-04-2021 10:28am

You just need to be aware of your larger footprint while carrying the folded scooter (i.e. keep it in a straight line and careful when rotating on the spot so you don't knock into anyone or anything)

Cerco · 28-04-2021 3:02pm

Heavy enough to carry around while shopping.

Gewicht

13 kg (inklusive Batterie)

As mrcheez says so "you don't knock into anyone or anything" .

mrcheez · 28-04-2021 3:12pm

Cerco wrote: »

Heavy enough to carry around while shopping.

Gewicht

13 kg (inklusive Batterie)

As mrcheez says so "you don't knock into anyone or anything" .

yeah... wouldn't do the weekly shop on it, but really just handy if you need to pop in for 5 minutes to grab lunch or something

ablelocks · 02-05-2021 5:17pm

paruss100 wrote: »

Sorry to hijack an old ish thread but I feel this is the right place for this. Anyone know much about this scooter? Seems like good value at €280 given the 22km range. Specs seem very limited though, no mention of top speed. Attachment not found.

is this definitely on sale tomorrow - can't find it on the lidl site

Gumbo · 02-05-2021 6:43pm

ablelocks wrote: »

is this definitely on sale tomorrow - can't find it on the lidl site

They had them in Lidl Finglas last month for €229.

My 10 year old still uses his daily. Range has dropped but maybe i'm more aware of this due to the EV i have and constant monitoring of Battery related stuff!

paruss100 · 02-05-2021 9:46pm

ablelocks wrote: »

is this definitely on sale tomorrow - can't find it on the lidl site

Take a look at the PDF catalog, it doesn’t seem to appear in the special buys but is there in the catalog and hasn’t been “redded out”. https://www.lidl.ie/leaflet/thur-29th-wed-5th-april-2021-ie/view/flyer/page/32

paruss100 · 02-05-2021 9:48pm

Not sure it’s the same model, this one seems to have a longer range than some of the previous models. This one also is a bit more expensive.

Gumbo wrote: »

They had them in Lidl Finglas last month for €229.

My 10 year old still uses his daily. Range has dropped but maybe i'm more aware of this due to the EV i have and constant monitoring of Battery related stuff!

paruss100 · 03-05-2021 10:05am

FYI is in stock, just purchased one. First observation is it’s not terribly well boxed, seems to have fallen out of it already after loading into the car!

Gumbo · 03-05-2021 11:23am

paruss100 wrote: »

Not sure it’s the same model, this one seems to have a longer range than some of the previous models. This one also is a bit more expensive.

You’re right.
This one appears different as it had a hand rear brake and increased range alright.

The previous one was a Doc Green ESA800 Model.

Lidl e-scooter this week

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