Do you know anyone with a criminal record?

Randy Archer wrote: »

You are saying something, and I am pointing out to you that you are talking bollox . Complete nonsense

The availability of a defence has nothing to do with ability to pay for expensive lawyers. Vast majority of lawyers who practice in criminal law are specialists. A rookie solicitor would always seek the assistance of more experienced solicitor or take on a barrister of Standing, even a senior counsel , if the charges and case are serious and or complex .

If it’s clear that a lawyer has been negligent in the execution of their case, they can be in big trouble by their governing body. Moreover, a judge would see right through it and would intervene . No lawyer worth their salt will intentionally not study their brief correctly simply because they are representing a poor man on legal aid

Legal aid gives a poor person access the the exact same calibre of lawyers as the rich man

A defence is only available baseD on the facts that maybe available in a specific case and the actual charges that they are accused of

You are not even comparing like for like

Someone accused of theft of a bike (Kind of offences that the poor often commit) , regardless of their socio economic background would have a different set of defences available to them than someone accused of ... Embezzlement or some other white collar crime (Offences that the rich might commit) .

Why ? What are the proofs for the charge as set out in legislation ,and what is the evidence against them

Someone accused of robbing a bike, regardless of their Background , who was caught red handed and had intention to deprive the owner of the bike is not going to have much of a defence compared to another person who while caught red handed but had reason to believe that they successful sought permission to Take and use that bike for a short period And intended to return it

Road traffic offences, they are complexed ,sometimes hard to prove, have loads of exceptions and defences. Some don’t have defences at all. Depending on the facts of each accused, their backgrounds and how expensive their lawyers are mean jack ****. The defences May simply be not there . The cops may have done an A1 arrest an detention procedure to cut out any loopholes

Culpability of a person accused of a specific offence has **** all to do with their background , should it get to the court room . (Now, whether DPP decides to press charges because of whom someone is , is another matter entirely , that might reek of corruption etc )

You will either be acquitted or found guilty on the facts ( I am referring to cases that go to trial and there’s n issue of successful procedure challenges eg cop ****ed evidence )

It’s when the judge is considering the appropriate sentencing , they will consider mitigating factors . It’s there, depending on the unique circumstances of the person eg wealth /poverty, position in society , criminal history etc that will determine a custodial sentence, the culpability of the accused and the seriousness of the offence ... or maybe they will just get fined or probation Or suspended sentence . Maybe rich man might fair better but it depends On the case

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Randy Archer, you correct me on a number of points which is fair enough, sure lookit, I am not a lawyer. Perhaps you are since you know so much about it.

But anyway the core of my argument stays the same and I stand over it. If you are wealthy and have influential connections in the right circles you'll probably have a bit more plasticity in how harshly the law is applied to you. If you are Tarquin and your daddy has big connections and knows people, you can get over and above efforts made, favours done and words had in certain ears for you all discreetly behind the scenes that can influence your case. Strung out deco does not have access to those advantages.

I refuse to believe that we are all equal before the law. The rich and powerful are always going to be more equal. CHANGE MY MIND, man.

I will ask you this....show me a case of a judges son that has been accused of a serious crime and had the book thrown at him.

Look at Malcolm MacArthur. Killed two people and he only got done for one of them, then spent the latter part of his sentence in the plush surrounds of the idyllic Shelton Abbey. The same prison where tycoon Sean Quinn spent a while.
MacArthur had connections to some of the most influential people in the country and was part of the Protestant Anglo Irish high society. You tell me that that did not go in his favour!!!! He was pals with Conor Cruise O'Brien ffs.

Yer man Allen from Cork, also of an extraordinarily privileged high-society background, he got done for drugs offences but he got off an awful lot lighter than had he been your average druggie street walker.