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montgo · 08-07-2015, 23:56

Hi,

An easy one to start with.

I am looking at the baptism record of Michael Glasheen on 20 Feb 1870 and the marriage annotation "married Margaret Quartes (?) at Balling??, Athlone on 5th June 1927."

It would appear that it should be Quarters as a Margaret Quarters was married in Birr district in 1927. Any idea what the townland/village in Athlone should be?

**Hermy** · 09-07-2015, 00:21

Would it be Ballinahown?

NOTE TO MODS: Maybe this thread could be retitled to be the official decipher thread.

montgo · 09-07-2015, 00:31

Looks a good possibility. Cheers Hermy

**pinkypinky** · 09-07-2015, 00:40

Alright, we'll try keeping everything in here please. There's bound to be an initial flurry of deciphering required.

yaledo · 09-07-2015, 09:03

I'd like some help reading this sobering paragraph in marriage registers for Moycullen (Co Galway) from 1845.
I can read the first half, but I struggle with the second half

Jellybaby1 · 09-07-2015, 09:18

This is all I can get at the moment:

[/SIZE]“This Harvest is being abundant as far as grain is concerned, but great fears nay actual starvation on account of a rot ? dreaded in the potato crop. Black spots appearing on the lumper and the probability of its affecting the interior of the vegetable. The people are afraid as yet to pit them for fear of the contagion attacking the sound ones. Wheat has got up 5 a cwt (hundredweight) more than it was last year. How the incoming summer will be as the necessaries of life is on the ? of a Merciful Provider. The disease in the potato is called Cholera from Black Spots appearing on the surface.”

Feel free to correct where I got it wrong. I will come back to it later, it will look different then.

I've added a few bits now.

yaledo · 09-07-2015, 09:54

Thanks jellybaby1 - I've added a couple more clarifications based on your transcription:

As I've read through this marriage register, the same writer has several longer commentaries on the state of his parish & on national politics. I'm grateful for his good handwriting, but found no marriages of my ancestors.

This Harvest is being abundant as far as grain is concerned, but great fears nay actual starvation on account of a rot ? dreaded in the potato crop. Black spots appearing on the lumper and the probability of its affecting the interior of the vegetable. The people are afraid as yet to pit them for fear of the contagion attacking the sound ones. Wheat has got up 5 a cwt (hundredweight) more than it was last year. How the incoming summer will be as far the necessaries of life ^are concerned^ is in the hands of a Merciful Providence. The disease in the potato is called Cholera from Black Spots appearing on the surface.”

**L1011** · 09-07-2015, 12:12

That's the kind of social history stuff that would never turn up if just a dry transcription of the baptism/marriage entries went up. Unintended benefits.

Have to wonder who he thought he was writing them for?

**pinkypinky** · 09-07-2015, 15:58

You're so right, L1011, we're going to learn so much more seeing the records like this. Similarly, if you actually look through a trade directory, you get much more than just names on a list, and if you're only searching a database version of it, you miss it.

**Hermy** · 09-07-2015, 21:52

Agreed pinky.

From novice to professional there were a lot of concerns about the pitfalls in releasing this set of records in this fashion but I think we're all going to learn a lot more from having to trawl through the books instead of relying on technology to do the searching for us.

clashburke · 10-07-2015, 14:08

Any ideas on what this says?

Its in the last column of the register. I have a feeling it might have something to do with the parent only being married two months previous (Different parish if that matters).

My eyes are square looking at it and I cant seem to get the right spelling for a translation!

Cheers

Edit: _________ tautum quia validi patre baptizatus _______ _______ patre

**Hermy** · 10-07-2015, 19:30

ceremonio tautum quia validi a patre baptizatus testimonium perhiberte patre

Don't know what it means but that's what I think it reads.

Wyldwood · 10-07-2015, 19:37

Ceremonia tantum quia validi a patre baptizatus testimonium per (hebente?) patre

shanew · 10-07-2015, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermy

ceremonio tautum quia validi a patre baptizatus testimonium perhiberte patre

Don't know what it means but that's what I think it reads.

not a translation but I can hazard a guess at some of the words -

ceremonio = ceremony
patre = father
baptizatus = baptism
testimonium = testimony
perhibente = witness ?

I'm in the middle of a FutureLearn course on the Romans so spent lunchtime trying read altar inscriptions in Latin - turns out that it doesn't really help much with this ..

clashburke · 10-07-2015, 20:56

Thanks folks.

I've tried google translate, but I suspect its as bad at latin as it is at Irish. Ill try a Latin forum see if it brings any joy!

Edit: Right on all counts I think shane. My Latin is limited to phrases I needed in collage so I can guess words but it seems that they might mean something else when use together!

08-07-2015, 23:56	#1
montgo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 557 Adverts \| Friends	Handwriting decipher thread must post link to full page Hi, An easy one to start with. I am looking at the baptism record of Michael Glasheen on 20 Feb 1870 and the marriage annotation "married Margaret Quartes (?) at Balling??, Athlone on 5th June 1927." It would appear that it should be Quarters as a Margaret Quarters was married in Birr district in 1927. Any idea what the townland/village in Athlone should be? Last edited by pinkypinky; 23-08-2016 at 22:07.

09-07-2015, 09:18	#6
Jellybaby1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,981	This is all I can get at the moment: [/SIZE]“This Harvest is being abundant as far as grain is concerned, but great fears nay actual starvation on account of a rot ? dreaded in the potato crop. Black spots appearing on the lumper and the probability of its affecting the interior of the vegetable. The people are afraid as yet to pit them for fear of the contagion attacking the sound ones. Wheat has got up 5 a cwt (hundredweight) more than it was last year. How the incoming summer will be as the necessaries of life is on the ? of a Merciful Provider. The disease in the potato is called Cholera from Black Spots appearing on the surface.” Feel free to correct where I got it wrong. I will come back to it later, it will look different then. I've added a few bits now. Last edited by Jellybaby1; 09-07-2015 at 09:27.

09-07-2015, 09:54	#7
yaledo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 234 Adverts \| Friends	Thanks jellybaby1 - I've added a couple more clarifications based on your transcription: As I've read through this marriage register, the same writer has several longer commentaries on the state of his parish & on national politics. I'm grateful for his good handwriting, but found no marriages of my ancestors. This Harvest is being abundant as far as grain is concerned, but great fears nay actual starvation on account of a rot ? dreaded in the potato crop. Black spots appearing on the lumper and the probability of its affecting the interior of the vegetable. The people are afraid as yet to pit them for fear of the contagion attacking the sound ones. Wheat has got up 5 a cwt (hundredweight) more than it was last year. How the incoming summer will be as far the necessaries of life ^are concerned^ is in the hands of a Merciful Providence. The disease in the potato is called Cholera from Black Spots appearing on the surface.” Last edited by yaledo; 09-07-2015 at 09:56. Reason: (thanked the wrong person)

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09-07-2015, 00:21	#2
Hermy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,326 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Genealogy, ZTest	Would it be Ballinahown? NOTE TO MODS: Maybe this thread could be retitled to be the official decipher thread.

09-07-2015, 00:31	#3
montgo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 557 Adverts \| Friends	Looks a good possibility. Cheers Hermy

09-07-2015, 00:40	#4
pinkypinky Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,630 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Genealogy, ZTest	Alright, we'll try keeping everything in here please. There's bound to be an initial flurry of deciphering required.

09-07-2015, 12:12	#8
L1011 Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 50,671 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Accommodation & Property, Aviation & Aircraft, Consumer Issues, Rip Off Ireland, ZTest	That's the kind of social history stuff that would never turn up if just a dry transcription of the baptism/marriage entries went up. Unintended benefits. Have to wonder who he thought he was writing them for?

09-07-2015, 15:58	#9
pinkypinky Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,630 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Genealogy, ZTest	You're so right, L1011, we're going to learn so much more seeing the records like this. Similarly, if you actually look through a trade directory, you get much more than just names on a list, and if you're only searching a database version of it, you miss it.

09-07-2015, 21:52	#10
Hermy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,326 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Genealogy, ZTest	Agreed pinky. From novice to professional there were a lot of concerns about the pitfalls in releasing this set of records in this fashion but I think we're all going to learn a lot more from having to trawl through the books instead of relying on technology to do the searching for us.

10-07-2015, 19:30	#12
Hermy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,326 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Genealogy, ZTest	ceremonio tautum quia validi a patre baptizatus testimonium perhiberte patre Don't know what it means but that's what I think it reads.

10-07-2015, 19:37	#13
Wyldwood Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,086 Adverts \| Friends	Ceremonia tantum quia validi a patre baptizatus testimonium per (hebente?) patre

10-07-2015, 20:56	#15
clashburke Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 170 Adverts \| Friends	Thanks folks. I've tried google translate, but I suspect its as bad at latin as it is at Irish. Ill try a Latin forum see if it brings any joy! Edit: Right on all counts I think shane. My Latin is limited to phrases I needed in collage so I can guess words but it seems that they might mean something else when use together!