Holidays 2021

Mrtm17 · 30-10-2020 4:27pm #1

Is it too risky booking holidays for July?
Don't know what to do

Locker10a · 30-10-2020 4:28pm

I think it will be ok, although you may need to be willing to take a Covid test before going or upon arrival back !?

Gael23 · 30-10-2020 7:43pm

I think it will be ok too but I would hold out on booking for another while.
If you must book o would book flights with Aer Lingus for more flexibility

naughtysmurf · 30-10-2020 10:06pm

Locker10a wrote: »

I think it will be ok, although you may need to be willing to take a Covid test before going or upon arrival back !?

Pretty much this, the Canaries will shortly be making a negative test necessary in order to check into hotels / registered tourist accommodation, others will follow, could even be a EU travel requirement by then

yenom · 02-11-2020 1:13am

The Spanish economy which is already bad will collapse into a Greek level if they don't get their tourists back. I suspect the EU will agree to allow holidays whether it's the right thing to do or not.

Stratvs · 02-11-2020 9:02am

naughtysmurf wrote: »

Pretty much this, the Canaries will shortly be making a negative test necessary in order to check into hotels / registered tourist accommodation, others will follow, could even be a EU travel requirement by then

https://www.canarianweekly.com/posts/Negative-test-results-made-official#ath

This is now officially in since 01/11/20 but will probably start to be implemented within 10 days.

screamer · 02-11-2020 9:05am

So then if you test positive, no holiday for you, you spend the time in quarantine?
Worst case scenario, and I’d bet travel insurance won’t refund the cost of your holiday.

Dodge · 02-11-2020 10:19am

yenom wrote: »

The Spanish economy which is already bad will collapse into a Greek level if they don't get their tourists back. I suspect the EU will agree to allow holidays whether it's the right thing to do or not.

At no stage has the “EU” not allowed holidays

It’s always been down to the policy of individual countries and regions

And even with them, plenty of holidaying has taken place this year (if only a fraction of what normally happens)

SusanC10 · 02-11-2020 10:25am

We transferred our June 2020 Holiday to June 2021. Deposit only paid. Happy enough to leave it like that until closer to the time.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants · 02-11-2020 10:36am

Our work has told us that until a vaccine is found we'll have to quarantine for two weeks upon return, unpaid.

Regardless of negative test or not.

So travel off the cards for next year too.

Gael23 · 02-11-2020 11:01am

Locker10a wrote: »

I think it will be ok, although you may need to be willing to take a Covid test before going or upon arrival back !?

That’s fine but then they need to be made affordable. €180 per person is not a price many can pay

Dodge · 02-11-2020 11:27am

Gael23 wrote: »

That’s fine but then they need to be made affordable. €180 per person is not a price many can pay

To be fair if you’re going on holiday, you can

The Davestator · 02-11-2020 4:50pm

Dodge wrote: »

To be fair if you’re going on holiday, you can

Not necessarily.

Flights and holidays are cheap at the moment, so a family of 4 or 5 paying €180 each could be a step too far for some.

Dodge · 02-11-2020 4:54pm

The Davestator wrote: »

Not necessarily.

Flights and holidays are cheap at the moment, so a family of 4 or 5 paying €180 each could be a step too far for some.

OK, so they can't go.

You said it's a price "not many can pay" and that's simply not true for most holiday goers. It might mean they have €180 less to spend on their holiday, but so be it.

Gael23 · 02-11-2020 5:03pm

Dodge wrote: »

OK, so they can't go.

You said it's a price "not many can pay" and that's simply not true for most holiday goers. It might mean they have €180 less to spend on their holiday, but so be it.

But for a family of 2 adults and 2 kids it’s €720 which is simply unaffordable

02-11-2020 5:12pm

Gael23 wrote: »

But for a family of 2 adults and 2 kids it’s €720 which is simply unaffordable

I think the point Dodge is making, is that it's a holiday. Not an essential life purchase like medicine. The extra cost is simply part of the overall holiday cost, and if you can't afford it, you can't afford the holiday as a whole.

That said, I am curious what happens.. Do they test you before you embark the plane, and turn you away at the gate? Or do you still go on your holiday and swear on your holy socks that you won't leave the hotel, wink, wink, nudge, nudge..

Dodge · 02-11-2020 5:42pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think the point Dodge is making, is that it's a holiday. Not an essential life purchase like medicine. The extra cost is simply part of the overall holiday cost, and if you can't afford it, you can't afford the holiday as a whole.

It’s that exactly. I can’t afford plenty of holidays available, so I can’t go

If the cost of going to the canaries is flight + accommodation + transfers + covid test, then that’s the cost.

No real difference from other countries that require vaccinations, shots or insurance.

naughtysmurf · 03-11-2020 11:42am

Gael23 wrote: »

But for a family of 2 adults and 2 kids it’s €720 which is simply unaffordable

Cut your cloth to suit,

If you usually go for 14 night, go for ten or eleven, choose 4* if you usually choose 5*, 3* if you usually choose 4*, if you're self catering, have dinner in a couple of nights, have a few beers in on a couple of nights, there are lots of options to keep costs down

johnire · 03-11-2020 12:19pm

I agree with this way of looking at it. I think people are going to have to get used to the fact that when travel resumes properly there’s going to be an agreed COVID protocol in place. I’d imagine that if there’s a vaccine that’s readily available then that solves all your issues if you get it. Obviously you’ll be given proof of the vaccine and you’ll be required to show it when asked. However if for whatever reason you don’t get it then I’d imagine you’ll be required to take a test for a fee before check in. I’d very much imagine too that travel insurance policies will specifically not give cover for any Covid related claims unless you pay an excess which will probably be quite hefty.Again I’d say if you’ve got the vaccine then that won’t be an issue. I could be completely wrong on all this but it stands to reason that there’s going to have to be a proper system in place.

Dodge wrote: »

It’s that exactly. I can’t afford plenty of holidays available, so I can’t go

If the cost of going to the canaries is flight + accommodation + transfers + covid test, then that’s the cost.

No real difference from other countries that require vaccinations, shots or insurance.

johnire · 03-11-2020 12:39pm

I would definitely say that any test will be prior to check in and if you test positive then you can kiss your holiday goodbye. However that’s where the real problems start. It’s very possible you’ve spent hundreds if not thousands of euro-unless you have travel insurance you’ve lost it all. Equally no travel insurance policy is just going to automatically give Covid cover. It’ll be an extra but an essential one at that. The other issue is what happens if a family is travelling and one or two members test positive and the others don’t..... it’s all very messy.
Again if there’s a vaccine then this whole scenario of a test prior to travel will only apply to those who don’t get the vaccine for whatever reason.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think the point Dodge is making, is that it's a holiday. Not an essential life purchase like medicine. The extra cost is simply part of the overall holiday cost, and if you can't afford it, you can't afford the holiday as a whole.

That said, I am curious what happens.. Do they test you before you embark the plane, and turn you away at the gate? Or do you still go on your holiday and swear on your holy socks that you won't leave the hotel, wink, wink, nudge, nudge..

responder XX · 03-11-2020 9:12pm

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Our work has told us that until a vaccine is found we'll have to quarantine for two weeks upon return, unpaid.

Regardless of negative test or not.

So travel off the cards for next year too.

I can't see how any employer can say that. If they require you to comply with government health guidelines then fine, but if the guidelines either say no self-isolation is required (green zone) or a test can suffice, then your employer has no business saying otherwise.

finbarrk · 04-11-2020 10:31am

My employer says we have to do the 2 weeks at our own annual leave expense no matter where we return from at the moment anyway. Employer is a large semi state company.

Kevski · 04-11-2020 2:17pm

finbarrk wrote: »

My employer says we have to do the 2 weeks at our own annual leave expense no matter where we return from at the moment anyway. Employer is a large semi state company.

That doesn’t really sit right with me, particularly as a lot of people are working from home. If you are someone who is working from home (and not physically interacting with other people in the company) then why should you be forced to take an additional 2 weeks leave if you are available to work?

The Davestator · 04-11-2020 2:22pm

Kevski wrote: »

That doesn’t really sit right with me, particularly as a lot of people are working from home. If you are someone who is working from home (and not physically interacting with other people in the company) then why should you be forced to take an additional 2 weeks leave if you are available to work?

Exactly - No need to tell your employer where you are going.

responder XX · 04-11-2020 3:26pm

finbarrk wrote: »

My employer says we have to do the 2 weeks at our own annual leave expense no matter where we return from at the moment anyway. Employer is a large semi state company.

Semi states/public sector said that during the summer, they then backtracked silently very soon thereafter as was clearly illegal. Of course they didn't publicise that change https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/0cfe6-update-24th-august-2020-to-guidance-on-working-arrangements-during-covid-19-for-the-civil-and-public-service/

Gael23 · 04-11-2020 4:19pm

responder XX wrote: »

Semi states/public sector said that during the summer, they then backtracked silently very soon thereafter as was clearly illegal. Of course they didn't publicise that change https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/0cfe6-update-24th-august-2020-to-guidance-on-working-arrangements-during-covid-19-for-the-civil-and-public-service/

Does this go for the private sector too?

responder XX · 04-11-2020 5:22pm

Gael23 wrote: »

Does this go for the private sector too?

What I linked to is public sector policy. I think some private sector companies have applied the same, but can't say it'll always be the same.

Lex Luthor · 04-11-2020 7:15pm

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Our work has told us that until a vaccine is found we'll have to quarantine for two weeks upon return, unpaid.

thats a big statement

beggars_bush · 04-11-2020 9:43pm

Kevski wrote: »

That doesn’t really sit right with me, particularly as a lot of people are working from home. If you are someone who is working from home (and not physically interacting with other people in the company) then why should you be forced to take an additional 2 weeks leave if you are available to work?

He never said he was working from home

naughtysmurf · 05-11-2020 12:02pm

Booked flights for three of us for June 2021, had to add €60 to voucher value, 11 nights in the sun so hopefully between vaccine rollout & generally getting on top of the virus it's fingers crossed, hotel booked with pay on arrival & free cancellation up to four days in advance., I can feel the sun on my back & the sand between my toes.

Car hire is also pay on arrival & free cancellation

Kevski · 05-11-2020 12:42pm

beggars_bush wrote: »

He never said he was working from home

I’m aware of that, thanks.

As subsequent posters have said, this policy was communicated to workers across the semi-state/Public sector earlier this year and applied to everyone, regardless of whether they worked from home or not.

Clonmel1000 · 07-11-2020 10:31pm

Kevski wrote: »

I’m aware of that, thanks.

As subsequent posters have said, this policy was communicated to workers across the semi-state/Public sector earlier this year and applied to everyone, regardless of whether they worked from home or not.

Has this changed?

JojoLoca · 09-11-2020 8:53am

Gael23 wrote: »

That’s fine but then they need to be made affordable. €180 per person is not a price many can pay

Agreed. €60-85 per test is a price range used by most European countries. €180 is a rip off
I’m not advocating for a free testing for travel purposes, but if they are joining EU travel traffic light system, they should also align the prices.

Gael23 · 09-11-2020 10:24am

JojoLoca wrote: »

Agreed. €60-85 per test is a price range used by most European countries. €180 is a rip off
I’m not advocating for a free testing for travel purposes, but if they are joining EU travel traffic light system, they should also align the prices.

It’s probably the governments way of making it so difficult people won’t travel

opinionated3 · 09-11-2020 8:24pm

Bearing in mind today's positive news regarding the vaccine what do people think about booking hols now for 2021, specifically September? I'm looking at Portugal and as of this evening prices are generally what I would expect to pay for the hotels I normally look at. However I'm fearful that demand from excited tourists that missed out on holidays this year will drive prices through the roof over the next few months. Is that realistic or am I reading too much into the situation?

Gael23 · 09-11-2020 8:49pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

Bearing in mind today's positive news regarding the vaccine what do people think about booking hols now for 2021, specifically September? I'm looking at Portugal and as of this evening prices are generally what I would expect to pay for the hotels I normally look at. However I'm fearful that demand from excited tourists that missed out on holidays this year will drive prices through the roof over the next few months. Is that realistic or am I reading too much into the situation?

I wouldn’t book anything that’s non refundable. I would also fly with Aer Lingus for greater flexibility.
I am looking at September too but not going to boom for another few months

scouserstation · 09-11-2020 10:42pm

JojoLoca wrote: »

Agreed. €60-85 per test is a price range used by most European countries. €180 is a rip off
I’m not advocating for a free testing for travel purposes, but if they are joining EU travel traffic light system, they should also align the prices.

Hopefully they will accept antigen testing as this is much more affordable, requiring PCR tests on a wholesale basis is not going to be a sustainable solution if they are trying to entice tourists into their regions

Spanish Eyes · 09-11-2020 10:46pm

Not going further than the garden and the park at the back etc. for now.

No point, it is too uncertain. We will cope, well most will for a while. The vaccine is looking promising now too.

Lex Luthor · 10-11-2020 5:35pm

I wouldnt be taking a vaccine to go on a holiday either

Clonmel1000 · 10-11-2020 10:02pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I wouldnt be taking a vaccine to go on a holiday either

I’ll take a vaccine not a bother. Anything to get out of this absolute malaise of a life. Life’s for living not hiding under the bed. I travelled to Italy in the summer quite safely and guess what I didn’t get covid!

Dodge · 11-11-2020 1:46am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I wouldnt be taking a vaccine to go on a holiday either

Even before Covid plenty of people took vaccines before going on holiday. It was mandatory for many African and Asian holidays

If a vaccine for Covid exists, I’ll be getting it even with our travel plans

Lex Luthor · 11-11-2020 5:15pm

Dodge wrote: »

Even before Covid plenty of people took vaccines before going on holiday. It was mandatory for many African and Asian holidays

and well proven & tested for many many years

I can see the trying to make it mandatory before getting on a plane etc that you have to have it, but lets see

when you have only 50% ish willing to step up & take it, where does that leave them

Dodge · 11-11-2020 8:06pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

when you have only 50% ish willing to step up & take it, where does that leave them

At home while the rest of us are on holiday

Lex Luthor · 11-11-2020 8:23pm

Dodge wrote: »

At home while the rest of us are on holiday

in a country where only 50% have taken the vaccine so it makes no difference

if you think it will protect you, jog on, enjoy your holiday with all your side effects from a virus that has a greater than 99% survival rate

Dodge · 13-11-2020 11:00am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

in a country where only 50% have taken the vaccine so it makes no difference

if you think it will protect you, jog on, enjoy your holiday with all your side effects from a virus that has a greater than 99% survival rate

I was joking with the last post. Assumed that was clear

However, it seems you've knowledge of a vaccine that isn't made yet and what the likelihood of take up is, so there's no real point in discussing anything with you. :rolleyes:

Holidays 2021

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