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Holidays 2021

  • 30-10-2020 4:27pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭


    Is it too risky booking holidays for July?
    Don't know what to do


Comments

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,185 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    I think it will be ok, although you may need to be willing to take a Covid test before going or upon arrival back !?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I think it will be ok too but I would hold out on booking for another while.
    If you must book o would book flights with Aer Lingus for more flexibility


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭naughtysmurf


    Locker10a wrote: »
    I think it will be ok, although you may need to be willing to take a Covid test before going or upon arrival back !?

    Pretty much this, the Canaries will shortly be making a negative test necessary in order to check into hotels / registered tourist accommodation, others will follow, could even be a EU travel requirement by then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭yenom


    The Spanish economy which is already bad will collapse into a Greek level if they don't get their tourists back. I suspect the EU will agree to allow holidays whether it's the right thing to do or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭Stratvs


    Pretty much this, the Canaries will shortly be making a negative test necessary in order to check into hotels / registered tourist accommodation, others will follow, could even be a EU travel requirement by then

    https://www.canarianweekly.com/posts/Negative-test-results-made-official#ath

    This is now officially in since 01/11/20 but will probably start to be implemented within 10 days.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭screamer


    So then if you test positive, no holiday for you, you spend the time in quarantine?
    Worst case scenario, and I’d bet travel insurance won’t refund the cost of your holiday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    yenom wrote: »
    The Spanish economy which is already bad will collapse into a Greek level if they don't get their tourists back. I suspect the EU will agree to allow holidays whether it's the right thing to do or not.

    At no stage has the “EU” not allowed holidays

    It’s always been down to the policy of individual countries and regions

    And even with them, plenty of holidaying has taken place this year (if only a fraction of what normally happens)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    We transferred our June 2020 Holiday to June 2021. Deposit only paid. Happy enough to leave it like that until closer to the time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭Eleven Benevolent Elephants


    Our work has told us that until a vaccine is found we'll have to quarantine for two weeks upon return, unpaid.

    Regardless of negative test or not.

    So travel off the cards for next year too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Locker10a wrote: »
    I think it will be ok, although you may need to be willing to take a Covid test before going or upon arrival back !?

    That’s fine but then they need to be made affordable. €180 per person is not a price many can pay


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Gael23 wrote: »
    That’s fine but then they need to be made affordable. €180 per person is not a price many can pay

    To be fair if you’re going on holiday, you can


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    Dodge wrote: »
    To be fair if you’re going on holiday, you can

    Not necessarily.

    Flights and holidays are cheap at the moment, so a family of 4 or 5 paying €180 each could be a step too far for some.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Not necessarily.

    Flights and holidays are cheap at the moment, so a family of 4 or 5 paying €180 each could be a step too far for some.

    OK, so they can't go.

    You said it's a price "not many can pay" and that's simply not true for most holiday goers. It might mean they have €180 less to spend on their holiday, but so be it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Dodge wrote: »
    OK, so they can't go.

    You said it's a price "not many can pay" and that's simply not true for most holiday goers. It might mean they have €180 less to spend on their holiday, but so be it.

    But for a family of 2 adults and 2 kids it’s €720 which is simply unaffordable


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gael23 wrote: »
    But for a family of 2 adults and 2 kids it’s €720 which is simply unaffordable




    I think the point Dodge is making, is that it's a holiday. Not an essential life purchase like medicine. The extra cost is simply part of the overall holiday cost, and if you can't afford it, you can't afford the holiday as a whole.




    That said, I am curious what happens.. Do they test you before you embark the plane, and turn you away at the gate? Or do you still go on your holiday and swear on your holy socks that you won't leave the hotel, wink, wink, nudge, nudge..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    I think the point Dodge is making, is that it's a holiday. Not an essential life purchase like medicine. The extra cost is simply part of the overall holiday cost, and if you can't afford it, you can't afford the holiday as a whole.

    It’s that exactly. I can’t afford plenty of holidays available, so I can’t go

    If the cost of going to the canaries is flight + accommodation + transfers + covid test, then that’s the cost.

    No real difference from other countries that require vaccinations, shots or insurance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭naughtysmurf


    Gael23 wrote: »
    But for a family of 2 adults and 2 kids it’s €720 which is simply unaffordable

    Cut your cloth to suit,

    If you usually go for 14 night, go for ten or eleven, choose 4* if you usually choose 5*, 3* if you usually choose 4*, if you're self catering, have dinner in a couple of nights, have a few beers in on a couple of nights, there are lots of options to keep costs down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭johnire


    I agree with this way of looking at it. I think people are going to have to get used to the fact that when travel resumes properly there’s going to be an agreed COVID protocol in place. I’d imagine that if there’s a vaccine that’s readily available then that solves all your issues if you get it. Obviously you’ll be given proof of the vaccine and you’ll be required to show it when asked. However if for whatever reason you don’t get it then I’d imagine you’ll be required to take a test for a fee before check in. I’d very much imagine too that travel insurance policies will specifically not give cover for any Covid related claims unless you pay an excess which will probably be quite hefty.Again I’d say if you’ve got the vaccine then that won’t be an issue. I could be completely wrong on all this but it stands to reason that there’s going to have to be a proper system in place.
    Dodge wrote: »
    It’s that exactly. I can’t afford plenty of holidays available, so I can’t go

    If the cost of going to the canaries is flight + accommodation + transfers + covid test, then that’s the cost.

    No real difference from other countries that require vaccinations, shots or insurance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭johnire


    I would definitely say that any test will be prior to check in and if you test positive then you can kiss your holiday goodbye. However that’s where the real problems start. It’s very possible you’ve spent hundreds if not thousands of euro-unless you have travel insurance you’ve lost it all. Equally no travel insurance policy is just going to automatically give Covid cover. It’ll be an extra but an essential one at that. The other issue is what happens if a family is travelling and one or two members test positive and the others don’t..... it’s all very messy.
    Again if there’s a vaccine then this whole scenario of a test prior to travel will only apply to those who don’t get the vaccine for whatever reason.
    I think the point Dodge is making, is that it's a holiday. Not an essential life purchase like medicine. The extra cost is simply part of the overall holiday cost, and if you can't afford it, you can't afford the holiday as a whole.




    That said, I am curious what happens.. Do they test you before you embark the plane, and turn you away at the gate? Or do you still go on your holiday and swear on your holy socks that you won't leave the hotel, wink, wink, nudge, nudge..


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 responder XX


    Our work has told us that until a vaccine is found we'll have to quarantine for two weeks upon return, unpaid.

    Regardless of negative test or not.

    So travel off the cards for next year too.

    I can't see how any employer can say that. If they require you to comply with government health guidelines then fine, but if the guidelines either say no self-isolation is required (green zone) or a test can suffice, then your employer has no business saying otherwise.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    My employer says we have to do the 2 weeks at our own annual leave expense no matter where we return from at the moment anyway. Employer is a large semi state company.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Kevski


    finbarrk wrote: »
    My employer says we have to do the 2 weeks at our own annual leave expense no matter where we return from at the moment anyway. Employer is a large semi state company.

    That doesn’t really sit right with me, particularly as a lot of people are working from home. If you are someone who is working from home (and not physically interacting with other people in the company) then why should you be forced to take an additional 2 weeks leave if you are available to work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    Kevski wrote: »
    That doesn’t really sit right with me, particularly as a lot of people are working from home. If you are someone who is working from home (and not physically interacting with other people in the company) then why should you be forced to take an additional 2 weeks leave if you are available to work?

    Exactly - No need to tell your employer where you are going.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 responder XX


    finbarrk wrote: »
    My employer says we have to do the 2 weeks at our own annual leave expense no matter where we return from at the moment anyway. Employer is a large semi state company.

    Semi states/public sector said that during the summer, they then backtracked silently very soon thereafter as was clearly illegal. Of course they didn't publicise that change https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/0cfe6-update-24th-august-2020-to-guidance-on-working-arrangements-during-covid-19-for-the-civil-and-public-service/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Semi states/public sector said that during the summer, they then backtracked silently very soon thereafter as was clearly illegal. Of course they didn't publicise that change https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/0cfe6-update-24th-august-2020-to-guidance-on-working-arrangements-during-covid-19-for-the-civil-and-public-service/
    Does this go for the private sector too?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 responder XX


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Does this go for the private sector too?

    What I linked to is public sector policy. I think some private sector companies have applied the same, but can't say it'll always be the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Our work has told us that until a vaccine is found we'll have to quarantine for two weeks upon return, unpaid.
    thats a big statement


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Kevski wrote: »
    That doesn’t really sit right with me, particularly as a lot of people are working from home. If you are someone who is working from home (and not physically interacting with other people in the company) then why should you be forced to take an additional 2 weeks leave if you are available to work?

    He never said he was working from home


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭naughtysmurf


    Booked flights for three of us for June 2021, had to add €60 to voucher value, 11 nights in the sun so hopefully between vaccine rollout & generally getting on top of the virus it's fingers crossed, hotel booked with pay on arrival & free cancellation up to four days in advance., I can feel the sun on my back & the sand between my toes.

    Car hire is also pay on arrival & free cancellation


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Kevski


    He never said he was working from home

    I’m aware of that, thanks.

    As subsequent posters have said, this policy was communicated to workers across the semi-state/Public sector earlier this year and applied to everyone, regardless of whether they worked from home or not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Kevski wrote: »
    I’m aware of that, thanks.

    As subsequent posters have said, this policy was communicated to workers across the semi-state/Public sector earlier this year and applied to everyone, regardless of whether they worked from home or not.

    Has this changed?


  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭JojoLoca


    Gael23 wrote: »
    That’s fine but then they need to be made affordable. €180 per person is not a price many can pay

    Agreed. €60-85 per test is a price range used by most European countries. €180 is a rip off
    I’m not advocating for a free testing for travel purposes, but if they are joining EU travel traffic light system, they should also align the prices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    JojoLoca wrote: »
    Agreed. €60-85 per test is a price range used by most European countries. €180 is a rip off
    I’m not advocating for a free testing for travel purposes, but if they are joining EU travel traffic light system, they should also align the prices.

    It’s probably the governments way of making it so difficult people won’t travel


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Bearing in mind today's positive news regarding the vaccine what do people think about booking hols now for 2021, specifically September? I'm looking at Portugal and as of this evening prices are generally what I would expect to pay for the hotels I normally look at. However I'm fearful that demand from excited tourists that missed out on holidays this year will drive prices through the roof over the next few months. Is that realistic or am I reading too much into the situation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Bearing in mind today's positive news regarding the vaccine what do people think about booking hols now for 2021, specifically September? I'm looking at Portugal and as of this evening prices are generally what I would expect to pay for the hotels I normally look at. However I'm fearful that demand from excited tourists that missed out on holidays this year will drive prices through the roof over the next few months. Is that realistic or am I reading too much into the situation?

    I wouldn’t book anything that’s non refundable. I would also fly with Aer Lingus for greater flexibility.
    I am looking at September too but not going to boom for another few months


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  • Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭scouserstation


    JojoLoca wrote: »
    Agreed. €60-85 per test is a price range used by most European countries. €180 is a rip off
    I’m not advocating for a free testing for travel purposes, but if they are joining EU travel traffic light system, they should also align the prices.

    Hopefully they will accept antigen testing as this is much more affordable, requiring PCR tests on a wholesale basis is not going to be a sustainable solution if they are trying to entice tourists into their regions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,000 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Not going further than the garden and the park at the back etc. for now.

    No point, it is too uncertain. We will cope, well most will for a while. The vaccine is looking promising now too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    I wouldnt be taking a vaccine to go on a holiday either


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    I wouldnt be taking a vaccine to go on a holiday either

    I’ll take a vaccine not a bother. Anything to get out of this absolute malaise of a life. Life’s for living not hiding under the bed. I travelled to Italy in the summer quite safely and guess what I didn’t get covid!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    I wouldnt be taking a vaccine to go on a holiday either

    Even before Covid plenty of people took vaccines before going on holiday. It was mandatory for many African and Asian holidays

    If a vaccine for Covid exists, I’ll be getting it even with our travel plans


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Dodge wrote: »
    Even before Covid plenty of people took vaccines before going on holiday. It was mandatory for many African and Asian holidays

    and well proven & tested for many many years

    I can see the trying to make it mandatory before getting on a plane etc that you have to have it, but lets see

    when you have only 50% ish willing to step up & take it, where does that leave them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    when you have only 50% ish willing to step up & take it, where does that leave them

    At home while the rest of us are on holiday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    Dodge wrote: »
    At home while the rest of us are on holiday

    in a country where only 50% have taken the vaccine so it makes no difference

    if you think it will protect you, jog on, enjoy your holiday with all your side effects from a virus that has a greater than 99% survival rate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    in a country where only 50% have taken the vaccine so it makes no difference

    if you think it will protect you, jog on, enjoy your holiday with all your side effects from a virus that has a greater than 99% survival rate

    I was joking with the last post. Assumed that was clear

    However, it seems you've knowledge of a vaccine that isn't made yet and what the likelihood of take up is, so there's no real point in discussing anything with you. :rolleyes:


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