Mass shooting in Utrecht

jam_mac_jam · 18-03-2019 2:59pm

TomSweeney wrote: »

Jesus Fn Christ what ???

He wasn't involved in any rape, that's just racism and scaremongering, I know this cos all the boards lefties told me so...

Are you hearing voices as literally nobody said that?

oleras · 18-03-2019 3:00pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

BBC news rolling banner STILL stating "multiple shootings in Utrecht " about 1hr after this was officially refuted. Poor show by the BEEB. Expect better from them

3 fatal victims now it seems.

jaykay74 · 18-03-2019 3:01pm

TomSweeney wrote: »

Jesus Fn Christ what ???

He wasn't involved in any rape, that's just racism and scaremongering, I know this cos all the boards lefties told me so...

Strange post!

Ace Attorney · 18-03-2019 3:04pm

Turkish shooter gokmen tanis
3 dead & others injured
Shooting at several locations
Bbc

pjohnson · 18-03-2019 3:06pm

TomSweeney wrote: »

Jesus Fn Christ what ???

He wasn't involved in any rape, that's just racism and scaremongering, I know this cos all the boards lefties told me so...

You poor manchild

Inquitus · 18-03-2019 3:08pm

So this is a revenge attack for NZ, or something along those lines? Muslim Terrorist on non Muslim targets?

OOnegative · 18-03-2019 3:09pm

3 dead, 9 injured, 3 of those seriously per CNN from Utrecht mayor

Seth Brundle · 18-03-2019 3:09pm

Inquitus wrote: »

So this is a revenge attack for NZ, or something along those lines? Muslim Terrorist on non Muslim targets?

Who suggested that?

inforfun · 18-03-2019 3:10pm

And here he is insulting a Dutch reporter in 2011 (white shirt)

https://youtu.be/3ZeerZfl20A?t=146

I really wonder sometimes what we, the Dutch did to deserve this kind of vermin being imported in to their country

Inquitus · 18-03-2019 3:11pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Who suggested that?

Well a Turkish Muslim goes and shoots a load of non-Muslims on a tram a couple of days after the despicable attack in NZ, seems that that was likely the motivation?

Sardonicat · 18-03-2019 3:13pm

Inquitus wrote: »

So this is a revenge attack for NZ, or something along those lines? Muslim Terrorist on non Muslim targets?

We simply don't know yet. There is a chance it could be a personal revenge attack and not terrorist related. Whatever the reason, 3 people lie dead and 3 more are in a critical condition with 6 others injured. At least 1 gunman is on the loose and the city is on lock down. Once again, death, horror and misery meted out on innocent people by a piss ant full of hate.

inforfun · 18-03-2019 3:13pm

inforfun wrote: »

Witness of it all had the feeling Gogman Tanis was focussing on 1 person, a woman.

https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/ooggetuige-niels-21-hij-schoot-op-die-mensen-die-die-vrouw-hielpen~abd214eb/

Copy\paste link in Google translate, should be at least deliver an English translation easy enough to understand.

jaykay74 · 18-03-2019 3:14pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Well a Turkish Muslim goes and shoots a load of non-Muslims on a tram a couple of days after the despicable attack in NZ, seems that that was likely the motivation?

You could be right or you could be wrong. Why not wait for the facts to emerge or is that extreme in some way :P

KikiLaRue · 18-03-2019 3:14pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Well a Turkish Muslim goes and shoots a load of non-Muslims on a tram a couple of days after the despicable attack in NZ, seems that that was likely the motivation?

If you actually read the thread you’d be aware there are other possibilities including that he is taking revenge on a woman who accused him of rape.

Right now we don’t know, so maybe hold back on jumping to conclusions.

Sardonicat · 18-03-2019 3:15pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Well a Turkish Muslim goes and shoots a load of non-Muslims on a tram a couple of days after the despicable attack in NZ, seems that that was likely the motivation?

How do you know all the victims are non-Muslims? Has this information been released?

Adamocovic · 18-03-2019 3:15pm

Inquitus wrote: »

So this is a revenge attack for NZ, or something along those lines? Muslim Terrorist on non Muslim targets?

Suppose the honest or correct answer at the moment is we don't know.

It has been noted there is possible terrorist motivations, or that the person was actually targetting one person on the tram. Considering the shooting occured on the tram in an area that reportedly has a high muslim population it would be an odd location for a revenge attack in my eyes.

Others reported that the person could have possibly been in court last month for rape accusations too, has not been confirmed by the officials yet however.

It's a case of waiting and seeing before jumping into assumptions.

Gimme A Pound · 18-03-2019 3:17pm

1641 wrote: »

Hate filled extremists (ie, inadequates) on all sides are responsible - pumping out their bile and bigotry on internet forums (to feel big, get likes, whatever), while being indifferent to where there words and ideology leads to when turned to murder by the sociopathically inclined. Or maybe not indifferent - more delighted - as violence by any one side leads to more slaughter all round.

Nobody who posts stuff for likes on the internet is responsible ffs.

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's amazing to me that you two just happen to have completely ignored the thread on the NZ shootings. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though.

Did you go through all their posts and the posts they thanked though? People are ignoring this and only posting about the NZ atrocity also, in fairness.

And RocketRacoon didn't say anything unreasonable - they just mentioned likelihood. It's a bit much if people get pounced on for that. Is that gonna stop anti Muslim views? If anything it's gonna compound them.

Inquitus · 18-03-2019 3:19pm

Ok, granted I am putting 2+2 together and perhaps getting 5, will let this play out in the media, although they are probably even more keen to 2+2 it than me. Terrible sad whatever the motivation, sickening these attacks go on so persistently, thoughts and prayers with all concerned in NZ and Holland.

judeboy101 · 18-03-2019 3:19pm

KikiLaRue wrote: »

If you actually read the thread you’d be aware there are other possibilities including that he is taking revenge on a woman who accused him of rape.

Right now we don’t know, so maybe hold back on jumping to conclusions.

Honor killing then

Sardonicat · 18-03-2019 3:31pm

Reports on social media that he was previously charged with rape are false. Different fella same name. A/c to the reddit feed.

Looks increasingly like terrorism.

Auntie Semite · 18-03-2019 3:33pm

Looks like one of the injured victims was a Muslim Woman.

SoundsRight · 18-03-2019 3:38pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Well a Turkish Muslim goes and shoots a load of non-Muslims on a tram a couple of days after the despicable attack in NZ, seems that that was likely the motivation?

What was their motivation for all those attacks prior to Christchuch?

Alun · 18-03-2019 3:40pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

His twitter account from 3 days ago (allegedly, could be fake)

First name is different, his is Gökmen. Also, the spelling Gökman in the original reports was later corrected.

Auntie Semite · 18-03-2019 3:42pm

Alun wrote: »

First name is different, his is Gökmen. Also, the spelling Gökman in the original reports was later corrected.

There you go, its almost to get a handle on the truth in these situations.

inforfun · 18-03-2019 3:44pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Looks like one of the injured victims was a Muslim Woman.

Would have been a miracle if there wasnt a muslim injured in that part of Utrecht

Auntie Semite · 18-03-2019 3:46pm

inforfun wrote: »

Would have been a miracle if there wasnt a muslim injured in that part of Utrecht

Yea, what some people tend to forget is that Muslims are also killed in these attacks as they are often totally indiscriminate.

Hobosan · 18-03-2019 3:49pm

I'd say combating this sort of thing world be very difficult. It's surely a mix of genuine grievances, radicalisation as well as a genetic predisposition, such has heightened aggression.

inforfun · 18-03-2019 3:49pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Yea, what some people tend to forget is that Muslims are also killed in these attacks as they are often totally indiscriminate.

Not really why it would have been a miracle.

56,5% non EU foreigners in that part of Utrecht.

KikiLaRue · 18-03-2019 3:58pm

judeboy101 wrote: »

Honor killing then

That’s not what an honour killing is

CFlat · 18-03-2019 4:11pm

Not looking like a terrorist attack now. Saying on Sky News it may have been a domestic dispute and the other people who got shot were trying to help the woman who it appeared, was his target.

The fuc king world has gone mad.

18-03-2019 4:13pm

Courtney Vast Piano wrote: »

Nobody who posts stuff for likes on the internet is responsible ffs..

Those responsible (whatever side) are motivated by an ideology of hate. A lot of these sociopathic haters are self -radicalised - by stuff they read and see on the internet. It didn't just spring up out of nowhere. Plenty of those who read and internalise this hate don't do anything (criminal) with it - just other than spread it further.
Some post hate just to vent. Some post to feel included. Some post to influene others to their views. Some post to incite. Other than the latter (possibly) none are criminally responsible. That doesn't mean that they have no responsibility. Words are important and powerful.
The internet didn't invent radicalisation or incitement by words. It just made words more accessible and influencial eveywhere. And more dangerous.

jaykay74 · 18-03-2019 4:15pm

CFlat wrote: »

Not looking like a terrorist attack now. Saying on Sky News it may have been a domestic dispute and the other people who got shot were trying to help the woman who it appeared, was his target.

The fuc king world has gone mad.

The world has gotten small. This kind of stuff would have happened oblivious to us in the past. Small article in newspaper the next day maybe. If it ends up being what you suggest it might be.

Sardonicat · 18-03-2019 4:22pm

CFlat wrote: »

Not looking like a terrorist attack now. Saying on Sky News it may have been a domestic dispute and the other people who got shot were trying to help the woman who it appeared, was his target.

The fuc king world has gone mad.

The British media still reporting stuff that has been largely refuted. The guy they interviewed who gave that account took it from social media. Earlier reports from nos say the guy up on a rape charge was in fact a different man with the same name. It's still very unclear and the media are jumping on every unconfirmed rumour and running with it. I won't be updating to this thread anymore for fear of contributing to the rumour frenzy.

RIP to those who died. I wish a full recovery to those injured. Hope the folk of Utrecht can resume a normal life soon when they apprehend this human turd. Many thanks to the posters updating from The NL, stay safe.

harry Bailey esq · 18-03-2019 4:24pm

inforfun wrote: »

Would have been a miracle if there wasnt a muslim injured in that part of Utrecht

True enough, I've stayed in a hotel in Utrecht (The Bastion) a few times, just south of Kanaleiland. To get to or from the hotel to Hoog Catherijn, all the busses and trams pass through that very spot. I did notice a fairly high Muslim population. Not something that's anyway unusual in the Netherlands, I was advised that Kanaleiland was a bad area and made a point of checking the place out(only from the bus window admittedly). The area didn't seem too bad, and I put it down to casual racism from hotel staff insofar as an area with lots of immigrants is automatically a bad neighbourhood. Obviously there are some elements of truth there but I've never seen areas over there that would compare to some of the kips dotted around Dublin or Limerick. I don't want to sound like a leftie, but this kind of thing could happen anywhere at any time. Sadly for the people of Utrecht it was their beautiful city that suffered this tragedy today. If it's confirmed as an Islamic terrorist act then the next one, and there will be a next one, could happen in any major population centre across the world.

OOnegative · 18-03-2019 4:24pm

Utrecht Police have lifted the stay indoors order.

inforfun · 18-03-2019 4:34pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

True enough, I've stayed in a hotel in Utrecht (The Bastion) a few times, just south of Kanaleiland. To get to or from the hotel to Hoog Catherijn, all the busses and trams pass through that very spot. I did notice a fairly high Muslim population. Not something that's anyway unusual in the Netherlands, I was advised that Kanaleiland was a bad area and made a point of checking the place out. The area didn't seem to bad, and I put it down to casual racism from hotel staff insofar as an area with lots of immigrants is automatically a bad neighbourhood. Obviously there are some elements of truth there but I've never seen areas over there that would compare to some of the kips dotted around Dublin or Limerick.

"Our" **** neighbourhoods look better than your **** neighbourhoods but that is only cosmetic.

I sooner walk all by myself in one of the dodgy Dublin neighbourhoods than through the likes of Kanaleneiland, Schilderswijk (The Hague), Spangen -Delfshaven (Rotterdam) or Amsterdam Nieuw-West. The part of Amsterdam that has the nickname 020-Gaza (020 being the area code for Amsterdam).

Some of these places are really not better than the most famous of them all: Brussel's Molenbeek.

Pac1Man · 18-03-2019 4:45pm

Another one!

And I was only in Frankfurt in 2010 (which is close enough to Utrecht).

SoundsRight · 18-03-2019 4:47pm

The honour killing theory doesn't make a lot of sense. They normally do them in private. And not with a gun either.

Sardonicat · 18-03-2019 4:51pm

SoundsRight wrote: »

The honour killing theory doesn't make a lot of sense. They normally do them in private. And not with a gun either.

There is no honour killing theory. ? !

harry Bailey esq · 18-03-2019 5:03pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

There is no honour killing theory. ? !

It was mentioned somewhere in the thread, but I don't think at this stage that it's the official police line.

Sardonicat · 18-03-2019 5:06pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

It was mentioned somewhere in the thread, but I don't think at this stage that it's the official police line.

The only thing mentioned in the thread as a motive apart from an Islamicist terror attack is a possible revenge attack on an accuser/witness after a court appearance for rape. That would not constitute an honour killing

Adamocovic · 18-03-2019 5:15pm

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

True enough, I've stayed in a hotel in Utrecht (The Bastion) a few times, just south of Kanaleiland. To get to or from the hotel to Hoog Catherijn, all the busses and trams pass through that very spot. I did notice a fairly high Muslim population. Not something that's anyway unusual in the Netherlands, I was advised that Kanaleiland was a bad area and made a point of checking the place out(only from the bus window admittedly). The area didn't seem too bad, and I put it down to casual racism from hotel staff insofar as an area with lots of immigrants is automatically a bad neighbourhood. Obviously there are some elements of truth there but I've never seen areas over there that would compare to some of the kips dotted around Dublin or Limerick. I don't want to sound like a leftie, but this kind of thing could happen anywhere at any time. Sadly for the people of Utrecht it was their beautiful city that suffered this tragedy today. If it's confirmed as an Islamic terrorist act then the next one, and there will be a next one, could happen in any major population centre across the world.

Think it's different when you actually live in a place. I was in Utrecht visiting a friend last year and would have thought the same. Was speaking to him today and he mentioned how it was a rough area, I wouldn't have known, but if you're living there and experiencing the city every day then you would have to know. He also lives just down the road from the area too.

Similarly there are areas in Ireland where we'd call them rough or kips and people who visit wouldn't see it or think they're too bad to ones they know better from home. Also for me most of the Dutch I've met have been no nonsense, direct, and come from very multicultural backgrounds. If they were to tell me an area isn't the safest I'd be more inclined to believe it was due to it being true. Even looking up the history of the area shows why locals have the opinion, so I don't think it has much to do with casual racism by locals.

Like most have said, at this point we can only wait and see to find out the motivations to this attack, but like you said it's terrible for the people of Utrecht.

Strazdas · 18-03-2019 5:39pm

Dutch journalist saying on RTE that it is far from clear this was a terrorist attack, echoing what Sky News said. The suspect had a long criminal rap sheet, was up on a rape charge and had serious family problems.

byte · 18-03-2019 5:46pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Dutch journalist saying on RTE that it is far from clear this was a terrorist attack, echoing what Sky News said. The suspect had a long criminal rap sheet, was up on a rape charge and had serious family problems.

But reading the thread, it appears the man on rape charges isn't the same man shooting people dead, just shares the same or very similar name.

thomasj · 18-03-2019 5:59pm

Strazdas wrote:

Dutch journalist saying on RTE that it is far from clear this was a terrorist attack, echoing what Sky News said. The suspect had a long criminal rap sheet, was up on a rape charge and had serious family problems.

Yeah still uncertain but reports suggesting he shot a family member and people jumped in to help.

Sardonicat · 18-03-2019 6:05pm

byte wrote: »

But reading the thread, it appears the man on rape charges isn't the same man shooting people dead, just shares the same or very similar name.

That claim that he has been up on a rape charge (amongst other things)* has now been confirmed by Dutch police, as reported by the same news agency that claimed it was a different guy just a few hours ago. This has been happening all day, reports being refuted and the later re-confirmed. The result is different news agencies reporting opposite 'facts' to each other. This is why I think it's best to just wait now for the full picture to emerge and reserve judgement til then.. All this contradiction is letting fear and panic take hold.
* If true, he does seem to be a serious sh1t stain of an excuse for a person

suicide_circus · 18-03-2019 6:09pm

was in Utrecht a good deal in my youth, lovely city

Lillyfae · 18-03-2019 6:09pm

inforfun wrote: »

I sooner walk all by myself in one of the dodgy Dublin neighbourhoods than through the likes of Kanaleneiland, Schilderswijk (The Hague), Spangen -Delfshaven (Rotterdam) or Amsterdam Nieuw-West. The part of Amsterdam that has the nickname 020-Gaza (020 being the area code for Amsterdam).

Some of these places are really not better than the most famous of them all: Brussel's Molenbeek.

I definitely would rather my chances in the Schilderswijk

Danzy · 18-03-2019 6:18pm

inforfun wrote: »

"Our" **** neighbourhoods look better than your **** neighbourhoods but that is only cosmetic.

I sooner walk all by myself in one of the dodgy Dublin neighbourhoods than through the likes of Kanaleneiland, Schilderswijk (The Hague), Spangen -Delfshaven (Rotterdam) or Amsterdam Nieuw-West. The part of Amsterdam that has the nickname 020-Gaza (020 being the area code for Amsterdam).

Some of these places are really not better than the most famous of them all: Brussel's Molenbeek.

Who can forget the Isis flags in Den Haag

OOnegative · 18-03-2019 6:18pm

Lillyfae wrote: »

I definitely would rather my chances in the Schilderswijk

Same as that!!!

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