Do you work hard?

smurfjed · 19-03-2019 6:49pm

Today is a work day, so will go down to the lobby of this hotel to be met by a chauffeur who shall take me to the airport, all i have to do is check-in and make my way onboard to what should be an inflight suite with my own chef and butler. 12 hours later I shall get off and go home.

And that is really considered a work day:)

PowerToWait · 19-03-2019 7:12pm

smurfjed wrote: »

Today is a work day, so will go down to the lobby of this hotel to be met by a chauffeur who shall take me to the airport, all i have to do is check-in and make my way onboard to what should be an inflight suite with my own chef and butler. 12 hours later I shall get off and go home.

And that is really considered a work day:)

You're an amazing person.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 19-03-2019 7:12pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Most CVs have qualifications after experience. Sure look at LinkedIn.

I can't remember the results of my degree exams and even if I did they would be totally irrelevant at this stage. I've done loads of industry certifications since then which is actually what shows my skills and knowledge(along with work experience).

I have a single line which says my degree, the years I did it and where. Anything more than that is pointless filler.

Can you really not remember your degree classification? I understand that degree results become less important as one’s career progresses but I can’t fathom not being able to remember my degree classification.

jamesbere · 19-03-2019 7:15pm

Job I do isn't physically hard and it's straightforward enough. I've worked hard on previous jobs and got paid less.

Snow Garden · 19-03-2019 7:36pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I don't really work hard but not many people can do my job. It isn't particularly difficult for me but everytime I am away or out everything is a mess. Generally it just means staying on top of the work coming in and getting back to people.
Others who attempt it find it too stressful and drop the ball.
I get paid very well for a job that doesn't cause me much strain but it is more to do with the inability to replace me. Been paid a lot less to do a lot more work and much more stress. Could change jobs and get paid more but it would be a lot more strees. I get paid per day what many earn in a week. Did my time in poorly paid jobs before I decided to get better paying work.

I am intrigued. What area are you in? I am guessing compliance of some sort.

tcawley29 · 19-03-2019 7:41pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

I don't really work hard but not many people can do my job. It isn't particularly difficult for me but everytime I am away or out everything is a mess. Generally it just means staying on top of the work coming in and getting back to people.
Others who attempt it find it too stressful and drop the ball.
I get paid very well for a job that doesn't cause me much strain but it is more to do with the inability to replace me. Been paid a lot less to do a lot more work and much more stress. Could change jobs and get paid more but it would be a lot more strees. I get paid per day what many earn in a week. Did my time in poorly paid jobs before I decided to get better paying work.

What do you do out of curiosity

Electric Sheep · 19-03-2019 7:47pm

Ush1 wrote: »

I'm working in IT/OT over ten years and never been asked for my degree results and have never included them on my CV.

I'm working in IT over 20 years, and the most effective way to have your looked at is a personal recommendation from someone in the same type of role that already works at the company and has worked with you before.

Experience is way more valued than pieces of paper.

Wabbit Ears · 19-03-2019 7:48pm

I do as little as possible and pray that a meteor will just end it all. But it never does.

19-03-2019 8:00pm

Electric Sheep wrote: »

I'm working in IT over 20 years, and the most effective way to have your looked at is a personal recommendation from someone in the same type of role that already works at the company and has worked with you before.

Experience is way more valued than pieces of paper.

The fact is though you won’t get the job to gain the experience without the required qualifications.

The vast majority of of job advertisements have relevant degree in the “mandatory requirements” many now require a masters or even PhD depending on the area.

You will also see lots of people who have great experience but no qualifications hit a roof in the career where they can’t progress further without having qualifications it’s why you see people doing night degrees etc in many areas.

Ray Palmer · 19-03-2019 8:10pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

I am intrigued. What area are you in? I am guessing compliance of some sort.

Nope,IT. Basically some specialist skills with added ability to read a calendar. It is amazing how some technical people can't read a calendar.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx · 19-03-2019 9:08pm

RWCNT wrote: »

Honestly, do you work hard at your job?

I work with a fella who complains about dole scroungers and that constantly, but spends 80% of his day on social media or fag breaks. I'd say on a given day he probably does 2 hours of work if he's lucky.

I work as a PA/office support in a charity for travelling speakers who go to conferences etc. to shill for us. I don't be dossing very much but when there aren't any looming deadlines I take it handy enough tbh. I could do more but I keep everything under control and that's fair enough for the wage I get IMO. What about yourselves?

He isn't that much below the average level of productivity to be honest.
https://thriveglobal.com/stories/in-an-8-hour-day-the-average-worker-is-productive-for-this-many-hours/

eoins23456 · 19-03-2019 9:10pm

I generally work pretty hard. I tend to be fairly productive. I try to avoid overtime as much as I can and it's worked for the last few months.

Gimme A Pound · 20-03-2019 3:12am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not really.

Qualifications typically mean you passed exams.

Experience demonstrates your ability to do a particular job. Qualifications don't.

I could have left my qualifications off my CV the last time I went for a job and it would have made no difference to me getting the job.

That said, maybe it's valid early in your career when there isn't much experience.

Depends I suppose. I mean, obviously there are certain careers for which a qualification is essential and those hiring would likely wish to see where the candidate completed their training.

Then there are careers for which, again, the qualification is essential but it's a given and experience is more noteworthy.

And there are careers like marketing and PR and journalism where courses are pretty much meaningless. But employers still often specify in job ads that they're a requirement.

I always start my cv with work experience though - qualifications are listed towards the end.

BuboBubo · 20-03-2019 3:26am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

No. I work long and unsociable hours, but I have a very easy job.

Same as, easy job - shift worker - long unsociable hours, you could kill yourself bending over backwards to please da bosses, but they are lazy as fcuk themselves so... nah!

Unfortunately I've seen many people burn themselves out, mentally and physically. I won't let that happen to me. I'll do my job, I'll do it well - but I ain't killing myself doing it.

Simi · 20-03-2019 4:02am

I work hard, and so do the vast majority of people I work with. However, there is a cohort of older people who are absolutely determined to do as little work as humanly possible between now and their retirement.

I'm not having a go at older people, some of whom work diligently every single day, but there is a small group who simply will not work. They basically come in to chat with their mates while doing as little work as they possibly can.

Some of these people have 5-10 years left until retirement! Any attempt by management to address the situation is met by claims of victimisation followed by a couple of weeks stress leave. Trying to train them in new tasks is met with confused stares and playing dumb until they're allowed return to pottering about.

They're destroying the morale of the people who work directly with them, who have to work twice as hard and essentially work around them to get things done.

TCM · 20-03-2019 4:58am

Simi wrote:

I work hard, and so do the vast majority of people I work with. However, there is a cohort of older people who are absolutely determined to do as little work as humanly possible between now and their retirement.

Don't work at all. I'm retired and get a big fat public service pension. It's wonderful.

_Brian · 20-03-2019 8:09am

Work as hard as the job requires but it’s way below my abilities so it requires little effort.
I work from home so set my own appointments to ensure a bearable schedule. It keeps me separated from the office politics too which is great, no small talk, no meaningless interactions and meetings.

Could earn twice as much in my previous role but money isn’t my motivation, my time outside work is much more precious to me.

Fifty grades of shay. · 20-03-2019 8:47am

TCM wrote: »

Don't work at all. I'm retired and get a big fat public service pension. It's wonderful.

That was probably the case with your wages too when you were working in the public service, sure yous/them ones, never do anything.

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Mundo7976 · 20-03-2019 10:56am

Rarely, any more!

fancy pigeon · 20-03-2019 11:00am

I work hard to look like I'm working hard

Ush1 · 20-03-2019 11:05am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Can you really not remember your degree classification? I understand that degree results become less important as one’s career progresses but I can’t fathom not being able to remember my degree classification.

Nope, to be honest I couldn't tell you the classification the day after I did it. It really wasn't a big thing of interest to me at all. I'm just into tech, not loads of qualifications.

Ush1 · 20-03-2019 11:09am

Zachary Putrid Bread wrote: »

The fact is though you won’t get the job to gain the experience without the required qualifications.

The vast majority of of job advertisements have relevant degree in the “mandatory requirements” many now require a masters or even PhD depending on the area.

You will also see lots of people who have great experience but no qualifications hit a roof in the career where they can’t progress further without having qualifications it’s why you see people doing night degrees etc in many areas.

Once you get a certain experience level in IT/OT it makes no difference whatsoever. One of my former bosses was the best engineer in a particular technology in the country and didn't have a degree. He could have walked into many six figure roles(aside from the one he was in).

sbsquarepants · 20-03-2019 11:16am

Long story, but I feel like offloading!

I used to work very hard, but to be honest it got me nowhere. I don't know if it's true of all jobs, but in mine the more you do the more you're expected to do. It got out of hand and led to me insisting I was put on a hourly rate rather than salary as the workload was just ridiculous - they agreed and my wages increased about 60 - 70% overnight. Not for nothing mind - there was a ton of extra work, which I done well and without complaint (after they start paying for it obviously!).

After 2 or 3 years of this they decided I was being overpaid and tried to strong arm me back on to salary - I politely told them to fúck right off. Business slowed down so it became a bit of a non issue for a while, but now we have another busy spell on the horizon and the new manager is already making noises about how my pay is structure out of sync with everyone elses.

Again I told him to poilitely fúck off.

There is absolutely nothing as demotivating as your job actively begrudging you your pay after you've genuinely worked hard and performed well for them.

Long story short - my days of breaking a sweat for them are over, it's just not my style to actively sabotage or even work to rule, but i'll just mosey along at my own pace. Their problems are not mine, if work builds up, they may hire someone else. I can absolutely guarantee I won't be stressing over it and they really only have themselves to blame.

Penny wise and pound foolish as my auld nanny used to say.:D

bnt · 20-03-2019 11:29am

In the job I recently finished, I pretended to work, while they pretended to pay me.

begbysback · 20-03-2019 11:37am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Work hard when I working yes - and outside to boot. Fairly knackered when I get home at the moment but I'll never work indoors with any luck and certainly not at a desk, must be quite soul destroying.

I don’t get where people think sitting at a desk is soul destroying, if I was at home I’d be on the laptop anyways, and my soul is fine.

HBC08 · 20-03-2019 11:47am

Bridger Big Swinger wrote: »

Came off a 24 hour shift at 9am this morning. Physically I didn't work very hard, ie I wasnt building walls or running through ditches with a rifle and combat equipment fighting order, but I worked very long hours for very little money and that's hard on me and my family.

Had a sleep when I came home and off out for a run now, but I'm still exhausted.

Can i ask how you can work 24 hour shifts as most of the time its against law?
Do you have a set time to sleep at work? One of my jobs is as above,a 24hr shift but 8 hours of that is for sleeping. It doesnt always work out like that and sometimes on a very difficult shift you might be pretty much on the go for 24hrs.If this happens you get extra pay of course.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-03-2019 1:15pm

begbysback wrote: »

I don’t get where people think sitting at a desk is soul destroying, if I was at home I’d be on the laptop anyways, and my soul is fine.

Big difference between deciding which porn site you are "using" next and doing actual work at your desktop.

Its all relative but some people just aren't cut out for office work and for them it is soul destroying.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-03-2019 2:03pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Nope, to be honest I couldn't tell you the classification the day after I did it. It really wasn't a big thing of interest to me at all. I'm just into tech, not loads of qualifications.

There are only four though. You really can’t remember if you got a first, an upper or lower second or a third?

sbsquarepants · 20-03-2019 2:58pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Big difference between deciding which porn site you are "using" next and doing actual work at your desktop.

Its all relative but some people just aren't cut out for office work and for them it is soul destroying.

My job is getting more and more office based as time goes by. Used to 50 / 50 more like 80 / 20 now - the more time I spend in the office listening to the bolloxology that gets spouted the more I want to get out and about!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 20-03-2019 3:07pm

Sporadically yes. Today there's eff all to be doing, other days I'd not have time to take a bathroom break.

I do two days of double shifts about every other weekend, which is two 14/15 hour days in a row, customer facing. Those are pretty taxing but there is no sweeter feeling on earth than waking up the next day and having it stretch out gloriously free in front of me. Thank Christ I haven't kids or anyone else to take care of, those are hard-core do absolutely nothing days, I get supplies in ahead of time!

begbysback · 20-03-2019 3:10pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Big difference between deciding which porn site you are "using" next and doing actual work at your desktop

Strangely enough you are incorrect, I used to work for a big internet company and one of the roles there was checking the links on porn sites.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-03-2019 3:38pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

My job is getting more and more office based as time goes by. Used to 50 / 50 more like 80 / 20 now - the more time I spend in the office listening to the bolloxology that gets spouted the more I want to get out and about!

Tell me about it. Seriously thinking about truck driving as an option.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-03-2019 3:39pm

begbysback wrote: »

Strangely enough you are incorrect, I used to work for a big internet company and one of the roles there was checking the links on porn sites.

TBF that job is one in a million, most office jobs encourage you not to check porn links.

chrissb8 · 20-03-2019 3:39pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

No. I work long and unsociable hours, but I have a very easy job.

You sell Avon just like your Dad before you?

Fifty grades of shay. · 20-03-2019 4:02pm

begbysback wrote: »

Strangely enough you are incorrect, I used to work for a big internet company and one of the roles there was checking the links on porn sites.

:eek:, we may have interacted before.

begbysback · 20-03-2019 4:08pm

Fifty grades of shay. wrote: »

:eek:, we may have interacted before.

You were a porn link clicker?

Ush1 · 20-03-2019 4:20pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

There are only four though. You really can’t remember if you got a first, an upper or lower second or a third?

Nope, just that I got a cert with Bachelor of Science. Even if I did remember it would be totally irrelevant. What I studied in college is completely different from the tech used now.

JupiterKid · 20-03-2019 8:03pm

I tend to put things I have to do on the long finger and can doss with the best of the dossiers but then there is a deadline (and let’s face it, without deadlines sweet FA would get done) and I am under pressure I can pull out all the stops and work hard to deliver the goods.

sbsquarepants · 21-03-2019 9:01am

begbysback wrote: »

Strangely enough you are incorrect, I used to work for a big internet company and one of the roles there was checking the links on porn sites.

Happy is the man who gets paid for his hobby!:D:D

Trump Is Right · 21-03-2019 10:47am

I work efficiently and intelligently, but no not particularly hard.

My hours are streamlined down. But there is no wasted time in my day. Quality rather than quantity!

djan · 21-03-2019 8:13pm

HBC08 wrote: »

Can i ask how you can work 24 hour shifts as most of the time its against law?
Do you have a set time to sleep at work? One of my jobs is as above,a 24hr shift but 8 hours of that is for sleeping. It doesnt always work out like that and sometimes on a very difficult shift you might be pretty much on the go for 24hrs.If this happens you get extra pay of course.

There's no such law if say, you are a doctor. Having one in the family 30+ hour shifts are not all that uncommon in busy times, and about 5 hours of "sleep". Astounding given the level of concentration needed.

Sugar Free · 21-03-2019 9:34pm

HBC08 wrote: »

Can i ask how you can work 24 hour shifts as most of the time its against law?
Do you have a set time to sleep at work? One of my jobs is as above,a 24hr shift but 8 hours of that is for sleeping. It doesnt always work out like that and sometimes on a very difficult shift you might be pretty much on the go for 24hrs.If this happens you get extra pay of course.

If I remember rightly, Makikomi is a member of the Defence Forces. I'm not sure if all of the usual emploment laws apply to them. I'm sure he can confirm if/when he reads this.

Do you work hard?

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