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Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

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    #2912
    AbusesToilets
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    In reality if you look at the back row options you have


    Backrow: VdF, POM, Stander, Conan and Nordi.


    It's between Nordi and VDF as who gets final spot

    VdF is as nailed on as Jesus on Good Friday. Last spot is likely between Ruddock, Nordi and SOB. I'd take Ruddock there, given he can cover 2nd row as well, but Nordi is a quality option too.


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    #2913
    troyzer
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    Who does he replace? Have a look at the squad I guessed on the previous page.


    In reality if you look at the back row options you have


    Backrow: VdF, POM, Stander, Conan and Nordi.


    It's between Nordi and VDF as who gets final spot

    You seriously think VdF (our best openside) is left on the periphery while SOB saunters in? Based on what? That would be mental.


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    #2914
    Shefwedfan
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    troyzer wrote: »
    You seriously think VdF (our best openside) is left on the periphery while SOB saunters in? Based on what? That would be mental.


    You are getting mixed up with what I think and what Joe thinks.


    Presonally I would have

    Backrow: VdF, Stander, Conan, SOB and Nordi.


    Then I would bring Beirne in second row, drop Dillane, so if a POM player required then bring in Beirne. Then have a few players like POM, Dillane etc be on holiday somewhere very close by....

    This is not what Joe will pick.

    Joe will go for

    Backrow: SOB, POM, Stander, Conan and JVF/Nordi.

    The one advantage, last WC you could name the squad. Now if we do have an injury at least we have some decent back up. Even the SA lad said it yesterday that Ireland in the qtr last time had too many injuries


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    #2915
    troyzer
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    You seriously think VdF (our best openside) is left on the periphery while SOB saunters in? Based on what? That would be mental.


    You are getting mixed up with what I think and what Joe thinks.


    Presonally I would have

    Backrow: VdF, Stander, Conan, SOB and Nordi.


    Then I would bring Beirne in second row, drop Dillane, so if a POM player required then bring in Beirne. Then have a few players like POM, Dillane etc be on holiday somewhere very close by....

    This is not what Joe will pick.

    Joe will go for

    Backrow: SOB, POM, Stander, Conan and JVF/Nordi.

    The one advantage, last WC you could name the squad. Now if we do have an injury at least we have some decent back up. Even the SA lad said it yesterday that Ireland in the qtr last time had too many injuries

    Hang on, POM doesn't even make the plane for you?


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    #2916
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    troyzer wrote: »
    You seriously think VdF (our best openside) is left on the periphery while SOB saunters in? Based on what? That would be mental.

    100%.VdF started against New Zealand, England and France in the last 8 months. He's clearly Joe's pick for the big games at 7. O'Brien only started against Italy and Scotland (and against Wales but VdF was injured at that point).

    And no chance of POM not making the plane absent of injury.


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    #2917
    Shefwedfan
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    troyzer wrote: »
    Hang on, POM doesn't even make the plane for you?


    It's POM or Nordi....


    I am still undecided. I think injury will make the decision as I would expect at least 1 injury before WC and one during WC


    We need impactsub off the bench and SOB has that written all over him, if he can stay fit


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    #2918
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It's POM or Nordi....


    I am still undecided. I think injury will make the decision as I would expect at least 1 injury before WC and one during WC


    We need impactsub off the bench and SOB has that written all over him, if he can stay fit

    SOB doesn't have the impact anymore, bench or starting. Even as a die hard Leinster fan, I'd take any of the aforementioned off the bench over SOB, his barnstorming days are far behind him and he's shown no evidence otherwise for Ireland or Leinster this year.


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    #2919
    jm08
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    POM could walk out onto the pitch, lie down and not move for the entire 80 mins and you would still have some section of fans/media etc telling you about how great a game he had :p


    As I posted above, on another forum with a huge Irish fan base I got hammered for questioning his form, I was told he was the best player for Ireland in 6 nations and was undroppable....


    Its not just munster fans or media, its his fellow players from all four provinces who rate him. Its Joe Schmidt. Do you know more than they know? Out of about 120 players, he was shortlisted to last 4.


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    #2920
    irishbucsfan
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    Who gives a **** what people would think about POM if he did nothing for 80 minutes. He doesn’t do nothing for 80 minutes. He was man of the match against New Zealand for being the best forward on the park and making absolutely essential turnovers against one of the best packs to ever play in Dublin. Anyone who doesn’t think he should be in an Ireland squad is certifiably insane.


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    #2921
    troyzer
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Who gives a **** what people would think about POM if he did nothing for 80 minutes. He doesn’t do nothing for 80 minutes. He was man of the match against New Zealand for being the best forward on the park and making absolutely essential turnovers against one of the best packs to ever play in Dublin. Anyone who doesn’t think he should be in an Ireland squad is certifiably insane.

    He was great against New Zealand and I agree that to leave him out of the squad would be mental.

    I don't think he's good enough at the moment to make the 23 though


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    #2922
    Shefwedfan
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Its not just munster fans or media, its his fellow players from all four provinces who rate him. Its Joe Schmidt. Do you know more than they know? Out of about 120 players, he was shortlisted to last 4.


    I already said he would travel and he would start....maybe read that...If you read the posts I have him at 7 with Standar and Conan playing with him....


    Standard aggresive post from same people. When did I say I know more?



    As per all my posts I have said personal/joe opinion etc.


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    #2923
    Shefwedfan
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Who gives a **** what people would think about POM if he did nothing for 80 minutes. He doesn’t do nothing for 80 minutes. He was man of the match against New Zealand for being the best forward on the park and making absolutely essential turnovers against one of the best packs to ever play in Dublin. Anyone who doesn’t think he should be in an Ireland squad is certifiably insane.


    As per my posts I said he would travel and start for the big games....


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    #2924
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    As per my posts I said he would travel and start for the big games....

    Well then people are responding to your opinion which is;
    Shefwedfan wrote: »

    Then I would bring Beirne in second row, drop Dillane, so if a POM player required then bring in Beirne. Then have a few players like POM, Dillane etc be on holiday somewhere very close by....

    You can't express two opinions and then get uppity when one is challenged. And unless you are Joe Schmidt, it's two opinions.


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    #2925
    aloooof
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    As per my posts I said he would travel and start for the big games....

    Which, you said, was Joe's opinion. You also said you don't think he should travel. Which is your opinion. And a ridiculous one at that.


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    #2926
    irishbucsfan
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    troyzer wrote: »
    He was great against New Zealand and I agree that to leave him out of the squad would be mental.

    I don't think he's good enough at the moment to make the 23 though

    What 23?


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    #2927
    Faugheen
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Who gives a **** what people would think about POM if he did nothing for 80 minutes. He doesn’t do nothing for 80 minutes. He was man of the match against New Zealand for being the best forward on the park and making absolutely essential turnovers against one of the best packs to ever play in Dublin. Anyone who doesn’t think he should be in an Ireland squad is certifiably insane.

    When you think about the dogs abuse Heaslip got for years then that point is a bit redundant.

    For the record, people talk about impact off the bench, I think I'd much rather POM than SOB


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    #2928
    Mr Tickle
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    *ahem*
    https://www.the42.ie/pro14-dream-team-nominations-4646796-May2019/


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    #2929
    sydthebeat
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    Mr Tickle wrote: »
    *ahem*
    https://www.the42.ie/pro14-dream-team-nominations-4646796-May2019/

    reads like a "best of the rest" kinda list......


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    Nucifora has signed a new deal to stay with the IRFU until 2022.


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    #2931
    irishbucsfan
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    When you think about the dogs abuse Heaslip got for years then that point is a bit redundant.

    For the record, people talk about impact off the bench, I think I'd much rather POM than SOB

    People were wrong for years about Heaslip. How does that make anything redundant?


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    #2932
    AbusesToilets
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    When you think about the dogs abuse Heaslip got for years then that point is a bit redundant.

    For the record, people talk about impact off the bench, I think I'd much rather POM than SOB

    In what capacity though? He's not going to break out with a massive bust, he's unlikely to grab a raft of turnovers, nor tackle the opposition to a standstill.

    Heaslip got abuse because he wasn't making big breaks, but he had the stats to show he was making a massive contribution elsewhere. Far superior player in fairness.


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    #2933
    Faugheen
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    In what capacity though? He's not going to break out with a massive bust, he's unlikely to grab a raft of turnovers, nor tackle the opposition to a standstill.

    Heaslip got abuse because he wasn't making big breaks, but he had the stats to show he was making a massive contribution elsewhere. Far superior player in fairness.

    Because if you have a fresh POM coming as teams are getting tired, I'd like to think he'd have an impact on the ground.

    I could well be wrong but I reckon he'd do really well off the bench


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    #2934
    Leinstertomas
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    Because if you have a fresh POM coming as teams are getting tired, I'd like to think he'd have an impact on the ground.

    I could well be wrong but I reckon he'd do really well off the bench

    Yeah I remember him coming on after around 60 minutes in the win against Australia in 2016 and making an impact


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    #2935
    Dubinusa
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    I'd like to see Ruddock make it! I think he offers more physicality than any other 6 we have. VDF will make it, barring injury. Nordi is so flexible and covers the entire br! That could be crucial.
    The balance is very important and this will be the last rwc for a lot of these lads. J.S has his mitts full.


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    #2936
    kingofthekong
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    In reality if you look at the back row options you have


    Backrow: VdF, POM, Stander, Conan and Nordi.


    It's between Nordi and VDF as who gets final spot

    it absolutely is not , VDF is the first guy Joe schmidt is writing down on the starting xv in the backrow,

    He is by far the best 7 we have available and its not even close


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    #2937
    kingofthekong
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Who gives a **** what people would think about POM if he did nothing for 80 minutes. He doesn’t do nothing for 80 minutes. He was man of the match against New Zealand for being the best forward on the park and making absolutely essential turnovers against one of the best packs to ever play in Dublin. Anyone who doesn’t think he should be in an Ireland squad is certifiably insane.

    He'll be on the plane, but that game was along time ago and hes been ****e since


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    #2938
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    kingofthekong wrote: »
    He'll be on the plane, but that game was along time ago and hes been ****e since

    He hasn't been ****e since but a lot of players seemed to peak pre Christmas and then somewhat switched off mid season. I think the RWC is a big part in this mindset but I feel somewhere in the background something might be amiss with the provinces / IRFU in some way or just the players themselves.

    I think there is definitely something rotten afoot in Munster and I think it's potentially related to the coaching ticket.

    Leinster will pound Glasgow this weekend and then everyone goes away for a few weeks and I think that's a good thing. It's going to be an intense build up.


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    #2939
    All_in_Flynn
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    I’m also in the camp of this year being solely about the World Cup and sacrificing everything else so players arrive at peak physical condition.

    We showed absolutely nothing during the 6 nations. Nothing. We looked good v France as all we had to do was play territory against them. Think we showed one or two old set piece moves the whole tournament. It’s all in the bank.

    The fact Sexton etc was playing at start of pro 14 this year strengthens my beliefs further. We have peaked too early before and I think everyone in IRFU recognises that this is our chance. I’d go further and state that Joe/IRFU have been planning players peaks and troughs for the last 2 years. We have a winnable group and a winnable quarter.

    I’m not buying this “we have been figured out” craic at all.

    Get through Saturday with, touch wood, no serious injuries and then get a good rest into everyone before camp.

    I think we will show up at World Cup in peak condition and shape and unrecognisable to the team that played in 6 nations.

    All in my opinion of course.


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    #2940
    troyzer
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    All_in_Flynn wrote: »
    I’m also in the camp of this year being solely about the World Cup and sacrificing everything else so players arrive at peak physical condition.

    We showed absolutely nothing during the 6 nations. Nothing. We looked good v France as all we had to do was play territory against them. Think we showed one or two old set piece moves the whole tournament. It’s all in the bank.

    The fact Sexton etc was playing at start of pro 14 this year strengthens my beliefs further. We have peaked too early before and I think everyone in IRFU recognises that this is our chance. I’d go further and state that Joe/IRFU have been planning players peaks and troughs for the last 2 years. We have a winnable group and a winnable quarter.

    I’m not buying this “we have been figured out” craic at all.

    Get through Saturday with, touch wood, no serious injuries and then get a good rest into everyone before camp.

    I think we will show up at World Cup in peak condition and shape and unrecognisable to the team that played in 6 nations.

    All in my opinion of course.

    I hope you're right. There are even a few non Irish rugby experts who are sceptical about Ireland's decline and think it's part of the master plan.


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    #2941
    All_in_Flynn
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    troyzer wrote: »
    I hope you're right. There are even a few non Irish rugby experts who are sceptical about Ireland's decline and think it's part of the master plan.

    I hope I’m right too.

    I just cannot foresee a scenario where somebody as meticulous as joe etc is for this not to be the case. Lessons have been learned from 2015. Squad is bigger and in a position to cope better than we did previously with injuries. I think second piece of that puzzle was to ensure we are peaking and third was to save our best stuff for when it matters.

    Queue a BP loss to the Scots.....


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