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Clontarf Baths demolishion/redevelopement

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    #122
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    erm, you kind of did...
    expectationlost wrote: »
    kbannon wrote: »
    But they are opening a pool, bar and restaurant?!?!?!
    The local authority may not have questioned the subject of membership or charging but should that have been a factor in the planning permission?
    yes it should.



    expectationlost wrote: »
    kbannon wrote: »
    expectationlost wrote: »
    was the planning dependent on paid-public swimming if not why not?
    Why should it have been?

    because they got their restaurant and bar because of the baths so they should run its as paid-public swimming pool, thats what the deal should be.


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    #123
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    kbannon wrote: »
    erm, you kind of did...
    yes I said they should not that they did.


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    #124
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Whatever!
    Anyhow, as much as I learned to dislike Cullen years ago, his company hasn't done anything incorrect here so far.
    They've developed something which was neglected long before he bought it. It will bring some more recreational activity to the area.
    There have been many developments in and around Clontarf that should never have happened (for some reason Westwood springs to mind). I don't think the baths redevelopment is one of them.


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    #125
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The baths are not operational as far as I am concerned... bring your own insurance... what next... bring your own water?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #126
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    The baths are not operational as far as I am concerned... bring your own insurance... what next... bring your own water?
    That's the point we're discussing.
    With insurance and whatever else, it is too expensive to allow the great unwashed in so for the interim only clubs with their own insurance will be able to use the pool. Everyone though can use the bar and cafe.
    This is time limited AFAIK.
    The council are not willing to cough up to allow the pool to open to the public so if you're not in an insured swimming club then you can only watch from the bar.


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    #127
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I guess it hinges on whether a pool only open to private clubs is open as per the planning permission conditions... insurance is a legal requirement. The pool does not have it ergo it is closed.

    Is a restaurant open to private parties only really open...

    Times like this I regret not studying law.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #128
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,958 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The permission from ABP had the following conditions in terms of being open:
    3) The opening hours of the restaurant/café bar shall be from 08:00 to 23:30 Monday to Sunday.
    Reason: In the interests of orderly development.
    My understanding is that the restaurant/bar is open to all. The pool isn't!


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    #129
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Update on the Clontarf.IE site about this...
    The enforcement section of Dublin City Council will be visiting the Baths this week to inspect the development and they will make a determination as to whether or not the development is in accordance with or in breach of its Planning Permission. We will update residents on the outcome of that visit as soon as that information becomes available to us.

    https://www.clontarf.ie/news/update-from-cra-on-clontarf-baths

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #130
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users Posts: 8,336 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    I’m surprised Clontarf residents have not objected to f@cking Christmas at this stage because none of them believe in Santa’s superpowers! They are a miserable lot!! :rolleyes:


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    #131
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    I’m surprised Clontarf residents have not objected to f@cking Christmas at this stage because none of them believe in Santa’s superpowers! They are a miserable lot!! :rolleyes:

    Its a total bait and switch...they only got PP for the restaurant as they said they needed it to fund the pool... then they pull this no insurance scam with the pool.

    Clontarf people are just paying attention, seems like nobody else in this country, maybe not even the taoiseach, gives a damn about planning conditions.

    We shoulda built a bigger wall not against the sea but everyone else! Clontarfexit

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #132
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users Posts: 8,336 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Its a total bait and switch...they only got PP for the restaurant as they said they needed it to fund the pool... then they pull this no insurance scam with the pool.

    Clontarf people are just paying attention, seems like nobody else in this country, maybe not even the taoiseach, gives a damn about planning conditions.

    We shoulda built a bigger wall not against the sea but everyone else! Clontarfexit

    But it’s the fact that Clontarf residents get angry when they want to build a wall against the sea that will eventually engulf them. They also get angry when they build that wall too high so the car drivers can’t see the sea on their way into work.

    They complain when someone wants to build homes in their back yard when there’s a housing shortage using geese as their latest excuse for not to build.

    They get angry when they try to put homeless people near them, god forbid!

    The only justifiable complaint Clontarf have had in recent years is the trees along Fairview Park/reducing two lanes to one instead. Everything else is just people with too much time on their hands and nothing better to do. Get a friggin life Clontarf!!


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    #133
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    But it’s the fact that Clontarf residents get angry when they want to build a wall against the sea that will eventually engulf them. They also get angry when they build that wall too high so the car drivers can’t see the sea on their way into work.

    There are no houses along the stretch in question, nobody wanted a wall built there and the area hasn't flooded from the sea since the Bull Island formed 150 years ago. There are parts of the country crying out for flood defences. And then to top it all off, DCC screw up the finishing and height of the wall.
    They complain when someone wants to build homes in their back yard when there’s a housing shortage using geese as their latest excuse for not to build.

    The site in question is completely unsuitable for the proposed development and its zoning was never intended to allow a primarily residential development, which this is. Plus the geese, apparently.
    They get angry when they try to put homeless people near them, god forbid!

    2 million to temporarily house 13 homeless families when the same money would have permanently housed them is bonkers.

    Yet when Clontarf people mention this they are angry busybodies with too much time on their hands. Utter tosh. If we had a properly run city we wouldn't have to be complaining about the bonkers stuff that goes on.

    On the southside the DART line floods because there's no sea defences and nobody bats an eyelid, they push in some of the world's highest building standards to deter building on their landbanks, and blow 36 million on a library... but in the papers it's always Clontarf this and Clontarf that.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #134
    onimpulse
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭onimpulse


    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    But it’s the fact that Clontarf residents get angry when they want to build a wall against the sea that will eventually engulf them. They also get angry when they build that wall too high so the car drivers can’t see the sea on their way into work.

    They complain when someone wants to build homes in their back yard when there’s a housing shortage using geese as their latest excuse for not to build.

    They get angry when they try to put homeless people near them, god forbid!

    The only justifiable complaint Clontarf have had in recent years is the trees along Fairview Park/reducing two lanes to one instead. Everything else is just people with too much time on their hands and nothing better to do. Get a friggin life Clontarf!!

    Before you start commenting on the objections "using geese" you really should inform yourself of the actual issues, rather than picking up on headline from a building industry funded publication.


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    #135
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users Posts: 8,336 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    onimpulse wrote: »
    Before you start commenting on the objections "using geese" you really should inform yourself of the actual issues, rather than picking up on headline from a building industry funded publication.

    I read it on Clontarf.ie actually.
    - it does not adequately address biodiversity issues including the impact the development would have on the Brent geese.

    The objectors are obviously getting pretty desperate at this stage. I see those geese grazing everytime I walk on the avenue. I also see them graze on any grass areas all along the Dublin coastline.


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    #136
    onimpulse
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭onimpulse


    Gloomtastic! wrote: »
    I read it on Clontarf.ie actually.



    The objectors are obviously getting pretty desperate at this stage. I see those geese grazing everytime I walk on the avenue. I also see them graze on any grass areas all along the Dublin coastline.

    My point is that you are being selective and disingenuous picking that argument.

    There are numerous reasons this site is not fit for development and the geese while one of them are in my opinion the least compelling reason this application should be refused.

    But carry on... why let the facts get in the way..


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    #137
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,464 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    DCC have launched an investigation into whether planning permission has been breached.

    Clontarf baths may breach planning rules
    Owners of the 132-year-old Clontarf baths, recently refurbished at a cost of €2.4 million, could be breaking the conditions of their planning permission by failing to open the outdoor seawater pool at the site.


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    #138
    LionelNashe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭LionelNashe


    In the future, an explorer will find this island empty, with ashes swirling across the dead land like will-o'-the-wisps and nothing standing except for a giant monument engraved with the words: "An investigation has been launched."


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    #139
    checky88
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭checky88


    Anyone heard anymore on if or when the pool might open be an awful shame if it didnt open this summer


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    #140
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,090 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    checky88 wrote: »
    Anyone heard anymore on if or when the pool might open be an awful shame if it didnt open this summer

    It's all gone quiet on that front of late... the local councillors focus is on the St Annes development.
    Plus, on a sunny weekend afternoon, you'd have to be pretty confident to be in the pool with everyone on the terrace sipping pints*, G&Ts and what not and gawping at you.

    * Disclaimer, I may be one of those people.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #141
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    sugarman wrote: »
    Why hasnt it opened do you know?

    Insurance issues for the pool it seems


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    #142
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users Posts: 8,336 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Talking to one of the busy bodies earlier in the week. They’re waiting for the council decision about whether they are breaching planning or not.

    Visited the place a few weeks ago and the pool doesn’t look that inviting to be honest. Big rubber duck plonked in the middle. The actual restaurant missed a trick by putting a big partition between the diners and the sea, blocking most of their view.


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    #143
    downtheroad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Seeing as planning permission was granted for a restaurant and pool, the restaurant should be closed immediately by the council until such time that the pool is opened by the owner.
    It is quite obvious that he never had any intention of opening the pool, but pretending that he would must have been the only way to get planning permission to develop the restaurant.


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    #144
    dudara
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    I walked in last weekend to take a look around. It's very bright and light, and looked great in the sunshine. Didn't try the food, so can't comment.

    As a previous poster said, I'm not sure how the pool and restaurant together will work. I don't think swimmers would want to be gawked at by diners and drinkers while swimming.


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    #145
    expectationlost
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    is there anyone swimming there, even clubs members ?

    New Battle of Clontarf Baths as DCC opens investigation ( has it i thought they had 6 months to a year)
    https://www.businesspost.ie/news/new-battle-clontarf-baths-dcc-opens-investigation-418677

    article says there a number of other building breaches of planning eg size of restaurant

    presume these docs will online next week


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    #146
    L1011
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    If you're not in compliance with planning on a new or extended pub, your declaratory order for the drink licence is invalid... This could get messy


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    #147
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Some of the above comments are a bit strange. I actually couldn't give a fiddlers if people see me in a pool, surely that's the case with every pool in the world, no?


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    #148
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Yeh I wouldn't mind it either. Lots of restaurants overlook bathing and swimming areas in pool and beaches in lots of european holiday resorts , I don't think it s a big deal and well if it is to you then nobody is forcing you to swim there


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    #149
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just about every beach resort I've been to and a good chunk of pool facilities, even here in Ireland, are in full public view. Even indoor pools often have large windows or glass walls around them, and even eating/drinking facilities facing onto them.


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    #150
    Bungy Girl
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    is there anyone swimming there, even clubs members ?

    Nope, it's not fit for purpose at the moment. I was there a few weeks ago for a nose and there was work going on poolside but the water that is in the pool is dirty so no possibility of anyone swimming there for now.


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    #151
    Alicano
    Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭Alicano


    I certainly didn't think there would ever be baths. they don't want that. Just clean the water.. Put in some nice lights and a fountain. And let's all move on. :)


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