Clontarf Baths demolishion/redevelopement

marvin42 · 09-09-2016 12:49pm #1

I seen this morning that demolishing works on the Clontarf Seawater swimming pool have started. It seems the place is going to be redeveloped and will be open to public again. Has anyone more information about this project?

expectationlost · 10-09-2016 12:49am

marvin42 wrote: »

I seen this morning that demolishing works on the Clontarf Seawater swimming pool have started. It seems the place is going to be redeveloped and will be open to public again. Has anyone more information about this project?

i see what was there is being demolished, that it is all

I presume 2975/11 is the latest planning but how long does that permission last? 5 years are they getting in there before it lapses

Kevsterr · 26-09-2016 2:25pm

Any further news on this? Would love to see it reopen in some capacity

ballsdeep69 · 29-09-2016 10:44pm

marvin42 wrote: »

I seen this morning that demolishing works on the Clontarf Seawater swimming pool have started. It seems the place is going to be redeveloped and will be open to public again. Has anyone more information about this project?

We're just going to have to sea what happens we will be waiting a whale

MisterDrak · 30-09-2016 9:52am

Just had a look at Dublin-City planning and there is nothing about planning around the baths.

whiskeyman · 30-09-2016 10:51am

I reckon any work going on is probably in relation to the wall / drainage.
I've heard nothing on clontarf.ie or anywhere else since that other plan went in around 4 or 5 years ago now

expectationlost · 01-10-2016 11:49am

MisterDrak wrote: »

Just had a look at Dublin-City planning and there is nothing about planning around the baths.

2975/11 http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wchvarylogin.display

expectationlost · 01-10-2016 11:51am

whiskeyman wrote: »

I reckon any work going on is probably in relation to the wall / drainage.
I've heard nothing on clontarf.ie or anywhere else since that other plan went in around 4 or 5 years ago now

there's this separate plan

Alterations to the existing Baths and site to include the provision of a flood defence wall to protect the Baths and link with Dublin City Council's proposed Clontarf Flood defences as approved by an Board Pleanala (reg ref 29N.ja0008).

4076/10

MisterDrak · 17-10-2016 10:57am

Any more news on this ?

I haven been driving the coast road in weeks with the on-going works @ the wooden bridge...

expectationlost · 17-10-2016 3:04pm

Cllr Heney has a question down on it for November area meeting

shane1981 · 18-10-2016 12:28pm

I passed it yesterday. The work done to date seems to be demolition of the old walls and pump house and a clean up around the trees at the entrance gates.

MisterDrak · 06-03-2017 4:31pm

Finally seems to be some decent progress on this.

A steel structure was put up last week. Looks like the changing rooms / coffee shop will be reasonably sizable.

Also the existing sea way seems to have been reinforced all way around, and the works mostly completed.

Probably viewing a summer opening?

Dr Crayfish · 06-03-2017 10:12pm

I can't remember when this was closed but I remember being at it some time in the 90s, it was probably closed but we climbed over anyway, gurriers that we were. It was absolutely manky, the pool was just full of seaweed and shellfish stuck to everything. If it was actually clean and there were changing rooms, I'd probably use it, but I'd imagine it would be absolutely rammed any time the sun came out in summer.
Has anyone actually swam in it in the past?

Seth Brundle · 07-03-2017 12:43am

I would have swam there several times in the late 80s.
It was cold!
Plenty of small round orange sponge things in the water.

Dr Crayfish · 07-03-2017 12:51am

Are we sure it's going to be "baths" as such? There's no evidence on the internet, or on the planning permission signs outside, of this. Just cafe etc.

Meauldsegosha · 07-03-2017 11:38am

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Has anyone actually swam in it in the past?

I swam in it loads in the mid 1980's. Whenever the sun came out during the summer holidays we would be sent down for the day. About 20 neighbours kids ranging in in age from 4 - 15/16 each with a packed lunch. One of the older kids would be given a couple of quid to buy ice pops at lunchtime. The place would be jam packed so you would have to get there early to save a spot. Great memories

shane1981 · 07-03-2017 2:53pm

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Are we sure it's going to be "baths" as such? There's no evidence on the internet, or on the planning permission signs outside, of this. Just cafe etc.

As far as I know , there is planning permission for refurbishment of the pool too. It was granted a few years back. Not sure yet if the current construction work is for also this or just the restaurant/cafe.

Dr Crayfish · 09-03-2017 11:30am

Had a look again yesterday. It really looks like there's no pool going in according to the planning document there and the works that I could see. Looked like a weirdo climbing up on the fence.

JosDel · 09-04-2017 2:42pm

Use to swim there in the late 70s bloody freezing...

MisterDrak · 10-04-2017 10:59am

Ran past this a month ago and again yesterday, and work seems to have mostly stalled.

The steel work is up, and has been for over a month, but not much else to report.

Was hoping that this would have been completed and in use by June / July. Cant see that at this stage.

MisterDrak · 04-07-2017 11:49am

Further update...

Ran past on Sunday, and the steel seems to be completed, but still no glass in as yet. The structure itself is pretty large, to probably encompass, showers, changing rooms, and a sizable sandwich bar / coffee doc.

With the progress to date, id say it will be another 3-4 months, at least before this is open. Pity as they will miss the summer...

shane1981 · 04-07-2017 12:41pm

MisterDrak wrote: »

Further update...

Ran past on Sunday, and the steel seems to be completed, but still no glass in as yet. The structure itself is pretty large, to probably encompass, showers, changing rooms, and a sizable sandwich bar / coffee doc.

With the progress to date, id say it will be another 3-4 months, at least before this is open. Pity as they will miss the summer...

Yeah, should be up and running for the Christmas! Good to see the site developed though. Has Been an eyesore for years. Hopefully the builders do a better job of finishing it than the crowd who did the tram shelter further along the sea front...

MisterDrak · 17-07-2017 10:50am

Ran past yesterday morning, and the glass is all in place now, and the resulting structure is pretty large.

Actually looks very well, just a pity that they have missed summer and most probably autumn at this stage...

neris · 21-07-2017 2:01pm

Clontarf Baths to open in September following €2m restaurant and bar upgrade

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/clontarf-baths-to-open-in-september-following-2m-restaurant-and-bar-upgrade-35954563.html

MisterDrak · 21-07-2017 2:54pm

Cant see this being ready in 6 weeks or even September.

Its been worked on since before Xmas at this stage, and there never seems to be more that 2-3 workmen on site any one time.

I do like the line "The company had not yet decided on what basis or when the Sea water would be warmed up". Cause its not going to happen... No way it would be viable for the operators to try to heat that volume of water on an ongoing basis.

Anyway still do wish them the best, and will definitely use this when it does eventually open.

superman28 · 21-07-2017 9:01pm

It seems like a great idea.. finally cleaning up that eyesore.. il look forward to taking a dip.. although I would have thought it was a pipe dream to heat that volume of water.. so il bring my aldi wetsuit..

micar · 21-07-2017 9:06pm

I never knew of its existence until today. Would have cycled by it a few times.

Any idea of the cost to use it per session.

Would definitely use it albeit with a wetsuit

TallGlass · 21-07-2017 10:24pm

MisterDrak wrote: »

I do like the line "The company had not yet decided on what basis or when the Sea water would be warmed up". Cause its not going to happen... No way it would be viable for the operators to try to heat that volume of water on an ongoing basis.

Just wondering, why do you think this? I assume most indoor pools are heated and we are not talking boiling temps like 27/28c would be quite warm. The water isn't 'flowing' from the sea, it's emptied every week or so and fully filtered coming in. Only thing I could see hampering the heating of the water would be that it's outside.

Is it free into use the pool?

stampydmonkey · 21-07-2017 11:10pm

Tall glass...very doubtful it's free to use. The overheads to keep this system going would be quite expensive, nevermind running the cafe/bar. In addition, I doubt the pool will be heated in any way shape or form based on the info I have. Unfortunately I can't say anything more as to why I know

TallGlass · 21-07-2017 11:57pm

stampydmonkey wrote: »

Tall glass...very doubtful it's free to use. The overheads to keep this system going would be quite expensive, nevermind running the cafe/bar. In addition, I doubt the pool will be heated in any way shape or form based on the info I have. Unfortunately I can't say anything more as to why I know

Interesting that the use of the pool won't be free, considering it would be 4.50€ to use a DCC pool, which would be heated, filtered and treated also has classes etc.. I just hope someone has not made a serious error here by not offering an indoor pool like DCC operate with plenty of glass to give a nice view to the outside. With the added benefit it could be used all year around.

These are just my impressions, I will check it out, although I can't really see myself dipping into it. I have never been a fan of sea water pools, even in the Spanish Isles. Is there a gym or anything else offered?

I'm getting the idea that this pool is just for nostalgia or something. It doesn't sound exactly modern if you get me. If not, what I mean is there are a lot of options available pool wise around the area that could grab the crowd for the reasons above.

I do wish all the best of luck, but as I said I just hope they haven't missed a trick by enclosing it and heating it along with fully treating/filtering the water.

stampydmonkey · 22-07-2017 12:40am

May have further details next week. Not on costs but on what exactly is being built.

It is definitely not enclosed, as in covered/indoor. The fact it's outdoor and the length would interest me. Anyway I'll have some more detail next week

LionelNashe · 22-07-2017 7:08pm

I think I'll make use of it for the following reason: I was checking lately to see how clean the water was at Bull Island, and it had the 'excellent' rating, which is the highest rating. However on one of the official websites it said that this means that there is a 97% chance you won't get sick from swimming in the water.

A 3% chance of catching something, e-coli or whatever, doesn't sound good to me. And that's when it's 'excellent'. It can dip below that as well. If you go swimming a couple of dozen times, the odds are against you. At least the water in this pool will be filtered.

Shedite27 · 22-07-2017 8:41pm

Any idea of the pool dimensions?

expectationlost · 22-07-2017 8:54pm

planning refs 2975/11 and 4196/16 http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wchvarylogin.display

wordofwarning · 22-07-2017 9:11pm

MisterDrak wrote: »

I do like the line "The company had not yet decided on what basis or when the Sea water would be warmed up". Cause its not going to happen... No way it would be viable for the operators to try to heat that volume of water on an ongoing basis.

In Germany, most outdoor swimming pools are heated 365 days a year. It is supposed to incredible in cities like Munich and Berlin swimming in a warm outdoor pool, when the air is -15 degrees and it is snowing. I would imagine this pool will be heated in the winter. AFAIK gas and electricity are cheaper here than in Germany. Plus Irish pools are never warm compared to pools in other countries

AndrewJRenko · 22-07-2017 9:28pm

wordofwarning wrote: »

Plus Irish pools are never warm compared to pools in other countries

There is a trade-off between warmth and hygiene. Warm breeds bacteria.

odyssey06 · 23-07-2017 12:17pm

LionelNashe wrote: »

I think I'll make use of it for the following reason: I was checking lately to see how clean the water was at Bull Island, and it had the 'excellent' rating, which is the highest rating. However on one of the official websites it said that this means that there is a 97% chance you won't get sick from swimming in the water.

A 3% chance of catching something, e-coli or whatever, doesn't sound good to me. And that's when it's 'excellent'. It can dip below that as well. If you go swimming a couple of dozen times, the odds are against you. At least the water in this pool will be filtered.

I think most of the 3% occurs after heavy rain showers rather than being totally random.

Ben D Bus · 23-07-2017 4:38pm

MisterDrak wrote: »

I do like the line "The company had not yet decided on what basis or when the Sea water would be warmed up". Cause its not going to happen... No way it would be viable for the operators to try to heat that volume of water on an ongoing basis

A few solar panels on the south facing roof of the pavillion would help a lot. It's a lot of water but it doesn't need to be hot enough to take a bath!

Esel · 24-07-2017 1:16am

Seven day alcohol licence... presumably not poolside.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/revamped-clontarf-seawater-baths-to-open-in-six-weeks-1.3162860?mode=amp

wordofwarning · 25-07-2017 9:43am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

There is a trade-off between warmth and hygiene. Warm breeds bacteria.

This is a sea water pool, so it is far more difficult for pathogens to grow

Plus Ireland is not a third world country. You can add chemicals to the water to prevent pathogens growing

Gloomtastic! · 26-07-2017 9:35am

Not a hope in hell that it will be open in six weeks. I'd say they have another month before it's watertight.

(Based on my vast experience of watching Grand Designs!) :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko · 26-07-2017 10:59am

wordofwarning wrote: »

This is a sea water pool, so it is far more difficult for pathogens to grow

Plus Ireland is not a third world country. You can add chemicals to the water to prevent pathogens growing

Your comment was about 'Irish pools' not about this pool, so that was the context of my response. Chlorine helps keep bacteria down, but it's not a panacea either.

odyssey06 · 26-07-2017 11:33am

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Not a hope in hell that it will be open in six weeks. I'd say they have another month before it's watertight.
(Based on my vast experience of watching Grand Designs!) :rolleyes:

Actually a Grand Designs on the building of this structure would be an interesting one... and (assuming no disasters) great publicity for the place itself!

AndrewJRenko · 26-07-2017 12:24pm

What's the story with parking at this location?

Gloomtastic! · 26-07-2017 12:40pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Actually a Grand Designs on the building of this structure would be an interesting one... and (assuming no disasters) great publicity for the place itself!

You're right but it's a commercial building so don't think it would qualify.

MisterDrak · 31-07-2017 10:28am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What's the story with parking at this location?

There spots for around 20-30 cars, however its "unofficial parking" at the moment. If this facility does get popular then I can see absolute "carnage"

at the busy times.

There is a better car park about 400m up the road at the bottom of Vernon Ave, but it 400m and most people just wont walk, rather probably double park around Oulton road.

shane1981 · 31-07-2017 10:59am

According to the planning application There will be 15 new car park spaces provided. While this may be adequate to meet planning requirements for the cafe, it is nowhere near enough for a swimming facility. An bord pleanala report deemed there is adequate public transport available but they are living in a fantasy land if they think people wont use their cars to get to this.

It will be a similar situation to Saturdays mornings at St Annes park stables. Cars double parked and left on grass verges by the "shure it'll be grand" brigade.

stampydmonkey · 31-07-2017 7:01pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/first-look-inside-2m-clontarf-baths-redevelopment-1.3172323?mode=amp

Glimpse of the internal design

MisterDrak · 01-08-2017 9:20am

Funny, reading the blurb and there is little mention of actual swimming !!!

"We’ll be providing a place for family gatherings, business lunches, evening dinner and cocktail drinkers"...

Obviously they will make far more money from the food and drink, but to not mention swimming at all...

Dr Crayfish · 01-08-2017 10:42am

Just another overpriced eatery for the Clontarf set then. I wonder how much they'll charge to use the pool? At least 10 I'd say.

Shedite27 · 01-08-2017 11:10am

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Just another overpriced eatery for the Clontarf set then. I wonder how much they'll charge to use the pool? At least 10 I'd say.

The only 2 private (ie non-council) pools I've used in Dublin cost €15 at regular times (NAC) and €7.50 (Mespil), even the council pools at €7, so yeah I'd imagine a fancy new outdoor pool will be €12ish.

Swimming polls aren't cheap unfortunately.

Clontarf Baths demolishion/redevelopement

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