Has anyone had any luck with politicans about housing crisis?

Shelga · 12-04-2021 2:31pm #1

I've emailed Darragh O'Brien 3 times in 3 months to ask what the plan is to alleviate supply issues, and have heard nothing back, not a single response. The contempt shown to us by government is just incredible.

Has anyone else had any luck in getting responses from the people in the Dail who are supposed to represent us, yet have made this issue worse and worse and worse over the last decade?

I'm at the end of my rope. Considering leaving again, for the second time in a decade. What's the point of trying to live in Dublin, as a single person. Obviously it's a dire situation for couples and families too, it's just so stressful.

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/bungalow-20-st-brendans-terrace-coolock-dublin-5/3174734

This shack of a house, requiring full refurbishment, went up on Saturday (2 days ago) and is already up to €255k. 13% over asking, within 48 hours, without viewings taking place. I hear nothing from government ministers about the situation, still absolutely no clue when viewings will be happening again.

I just hope it somehow gets the slighest bit better in the next 6 months, or I'm off. The panic levels out there are unreal at the moment.

hi! · 12-04-2021 2:46pm

Shelga wrote: »

I've emailed Darragh O'Brien 3 times in 3 months to ask what the plan is to alleviate supply issues, and have heard nothing back, not a single response. The contempt shown to us by government is just incredible.

Has anyone else had any luck in getting responses from the people in the Dail who are supposed to represent us, yet have made this issue worse and worse and worse over the last decade?

I'm at the end of my rope. Considering leaving again, for the second time in a decade. What's the point of trying to live in Dublin, as a single person. Obviously it's a dire situation for couples and families too, it's just so stressful.

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/bungalow-20-st-brendans-terrace-coolock-dublin-5/3174734

This shack of a house, requiring full refurbishment, went up on Saturday (2 days ago) and is already up to €255k. 13% over asking, within 48 hours, without viewings taking place. I hear nothing from government ministers about the situation, still absolutely no clue when viewings will be happening again.

I just hope it somehow gets the slighest bit better in the next 6 months, or I'm off. The panic levels out there are unreal at the moment.

I emailed all my local TDs and then minister for housing and Toasiesch.
The only reply I got was from my local Sinn Fein TD saying they agreed with everything I said. Not much progress at all.

s8n · 12-04-2021 2:48pm

Nice little project in that house.

In terms of the ministers, what exactly are you looking for ?

Monsieur Folie · 12-04-2021 2:51pm

I emailed 4 of my local TDs a few weeks ago specifically citing the restriction on viewings as exacerbating an already bad situation and asking if they could put pressure on the Gov to change it when the restrictions were lifting in April. I did get 3 responses from a Green TD, PBP and an independent and they all basically agreed with me... 2 said they would submit parliamentary questions on the issue and the Green TD said they would push the issue with their colleagues. Local SF TD didn't reply at all.

ongarite · 12-04-2021 2:52pm

What are you expecting them to say?

Due to COVID, construction was stopped in this country for 7 of the last 12 months.
That's a serious knock to the already low new home supply which will take years to be alleviated.

Shelga · 12-04-2021 2:56pm

s8n wrote: »

Nice little project in that house.

In terms of the ministers, what exactly are you looking for ?

House would be a nice project! Lots of people seem to think so

What I'm looking for is a plan to help people get housing that isn't Help to Buy. For anyone looking in Dublin with a budget under €350k, this is useless, it may as well not exist.

I am also looking for some initiatives on how to stop hoarding of empty/derelict buildings, with a plan for how to rezone them if necessary and convert to residential. Surely this would be so much cheaper for developers than building new places from scratch?

I'd like councils to build their own properties, not distort the market by hiking up prices on the open market, using our money.

Mostly I'm just looking for some indication that this man gives the tiniest sh*t about what's going on.

*Edit* and yes I also want a firm date for when viewings will be happening again, because kicking it down the road indefinitely is disgraceful and making everything worse.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 12-04-2021 3:00pm

I emailed my local TD (Social Dems) - specifically about:

i) Media reports of councils taking apartments from developers at ludicrous prices of €780k and €960k, including a Glenveagh development where DCC are taking studios for 300k each, rather than using the money to build proper family houses. It seems mental to me that i) a family wins the lotto and gets an apartment no working family could afford, while the housing list barely moves, and ii) the state is essentially reinforcing these prices by taking stock at these levels. He agreed with me, and says he is working a proposed amendment to Part V rules.

ii) The ban on viewings, similar to Monsieur Folie. He didn't give a view but said it was "a priority for the Minister" and would expect it to be reinstated in "May or June". Again this seems like an easy win for the govt to deliver; insist on appointments, proof of funds, no more than x people in one house at a time. It's as low risk as you can get.

The latter in particular is a big issue. I say this with vested interests as I'm looking to sell up myself, but feedback from mortgage brokers, estate agents etc is that there is going to be a mental spike in prices in the short term. I just spoke to an estate agent about a house I saw a sign outside; it is being listed €125k higher than a better house in the same estate sold for in September.

jimmycrackcorm · 12-04-2021 3:17pm

Shelga wrote:

I'd like councils to build their own properties, not distort the market by hiking up prices on the open market, using our money.

While you are it, why not email DCC who objected to Quinn's pub being turned into apartments.

Everyone: we need more housing.
Everyone: we object to it near us though

Shelga · 12-04-2021 3:26pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

While you are it, why not email DCC who objected to Quinn's pub being turned into apartments.

Everyone: we need more housing.
Everyone: we object to it near us though

Didn't know about this, just googled it, am so sick of these stories. More important to have an empty pub that retains the "spirit" of the area, rather than people having anywhere to live eh!

Wanderer78 · 12-04-2021 3:31pm

Their response is clearly let's leave it to the usual suspects, I.e. the fire sectors(finance, insurance and real estate), since they've been doing an amazing job of it over the last couple of decades!

ongarite · 12-04-2021 3:31pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

While you are it, why not email DCC who objected to Quinn's pub being turned into apartments.

Everyone: we need more housing.
Everyone: we object to it near us though

Exactly, this whole city, Dublin, from council with height restrictions to residents is full of NIMBYs.
Full of good sound bite solutions but when it comes to implementing it, object to it.

Caranica · 12-04-2021 5:13pm

What do you want from the politicians?

A copy and paste response from the Programme for Government? A commitment to raise it the Dáil?

Every politician knows there is a housing crisis, everyone wants to fix it. There is no magic fix. It's going to take time.

Covid is delaying things in a big way. The guts of a year with no/limited construction.

The strategic housing developments initiative was brought in to ease the planning process for larger scale developments but it is thankfully coming to an end as it was intrinsically undemocratic and deeply flawed. That will lead to more delays.

It is what it is, expecting a politician to be able to change things is totally unrealistic.

Edit: In the vast majority of cases it's cheaper to demolish derelict and rebuild rather than try to bring the buildings up to standard.

Councils are building their own properties in small numbers but don't have the budget for large scale developments. That may change, look at the model development with the LDA that is due to be built in Shanganagh.

Padre_Pio · 12-04-2021 5:20pm

Housing in Ireland is f*cked beyond belief, primarily because people's worth is tied up in their property.

The government can't reduce the cost of housing because it makes homeowners (read: voters) poorer. Too many millionaires on paper in this country, too many people who's property is their nest egg, too many Bull McCabes, too many amateur landlords.
So they'll do whatever they can to come the other way; keep the cost high, but give people money and reliefs to buy houses.

But builders are savvy, they know the maximum the average couple can afford, so they just set the price of new builds accordingly, and keep supply on a leash.

So now we have a two-tier system. Houses are just about affordable to those who can afford them, and almost free to those who can't

Builders get their money, landowners get their money, EA's get their money and banks get their money. And you get a mortgage for 30 years and are happy for it since long-term renting is nonexistent.

Xterminator · 12-04-2021 5:22pm

Even the green and sinn fein politicians who 'hold the government to account' as opposition, have been nimbys on issues that occur in their backyard. So its not like you can say the government is the problem. Because the opposition are at it too, when it suits and for local votes.

there's not much point in discussing the merits of specific housing applications developments but Aodhan marched with the st annes residents who didn't want more houses in a field beside st annes park, and Eoin Ó Broin to social housing in his constituency!

Housing is a bit like the provision of services for travellers - its a vote loser for local TDs - they cant do what's best for the country if they want to get re elected, as they have to keep the local residents onside. Far too often the two have contradictory needs and desires.

If you say to residents, sorry we have a housing crisis and for the good of the country we need to build these houses and apartments on that site, even if there is local inconvenience, the TD will not get elected next time around. So self interest keeps them from taking the greater public good POV.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 12-04-2021 7:16pm

Caranica wrote: »

Every politician knows there is a housing crisis, everyone wants to fix it. There is no magic fix. It's going to take time.

I heard Simon Coveney say similar on Claire Byrne about 5 years ago. 2 housing ministers on, and things are arguably worse. They havent come up with a single idea that doesnt involve handing money to the private sector.

They could build houses themselves, in whatever scale funding allows, which they seem completely opposed to. They could look at PPP schemes. They could help people stuck in the rental trap where they cant save for a mortgage because rents are so high. They could encourage the building of smaller units for single people so that shared houses are released to the market, so that single people on lower income jobs have an option not to share. Instead they came up with co-living, all the price of a single dwelling but half of the benefits.

Instead of taking Part V units they could make the construction of affordable housing at an alternative location a condition of planning for large developments. Part V housing was meant to generate a social benefit from large scale developments; the opposite has happened. The local authorities are propping up the prices charged by these developers - prime example here:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/glenveagh-secures-green-light-for-702-build-to-rent-apartments-1.4530316?mode=amp

The could tax the hoarding of land. They could swap state owned land for other land more suitable for housing.

But they do none of these things, at least on a scale that matters. They trot out platitudes and talk about medium term plans, rather than that legislate with any degree of creativity.

12-04-2021 7:28pm

You want the Government to get into large scale property development? What could possibly go wrong.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 12-04-2021 7:40pm

Dav010 wrote: »

You want the Government to get into large scale property development? What could possibly go wrong.

I want the state - via local authorities or dedicated agencies - to take creative approaches to stimulate the provision of housing where profit is not the sole outcome.

I dont expect the state to be the builder of all of those homes, but could they contribute? Of course - is the provison of council houses that alien a concept? Why couldnt an agency like NAMA engage developers to build houses in a subsidised manner?

I certainly dont expect the state to tackle the problem of rising house prices by inflaming those prices, by buying premuim luxury apartments from the private sector at stupid levels like the ones in the article.

12-04-2021 7:57pm

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I want the state - via local authorities or dedicated agencies - to take creative approaches to stimulate the provision of housing where profit is not the sole outcome.

I dont expect the state to be the builder of all of those homes, but could they contribute? Of course - is the provison of council houses that alien a concept? Why couldnt an agency like NAMA engage developers to build houses in a subsidised manner?

I certainly dont expect the state to tackle the problem of rising house prices by inflaming those prices, by buying premuim luxury apartments from the private sector at stupid levels like the ones in the article.

Unfortunately the Children’s Hospital and the School building debacle are examples of what happens when the State gets involved in buildings projects. You are asking for the taxpayer to be charged a premium for the projects, with little capacity for oversight. Instead of paying exorbitant prices for completed projects, they pay them for building them. Should they then sell them at a loss to the taxpayer, or at the development price?

Caranica · 12-04-2021 8:02pm

Again I refer to the Shanganagh development with the LDA. Every local authority in the country is watching this development to see how it works out. If it's a success, the model will be rolled out.

antoinolachtnai · 12-04-2021 8:55pm

The government can intervene strongly in the market without needing to build.

Govt could give grants and purchase guarantees to developers for completed homes with suitable specification in areas of high demand. This would be cheap enough to do.

The barrier seems to be reluctance to give a subsidy to a developer.

The price of land needs to be tackled in parallel of course.

12-04-2021 9:02pm

antoinolachtnai wrote: »

The government can intervene strongly in the market without needing to build.

Govt could give grants and purchase guarantees to developers for completed homes with suitable specification in areas of high demand. This would be cheap enough to do.

The barrier seems to be reluctance to give a subsidy to a developer.

The price of land needs to be tackled in parallel of course.

They would have to make those grants/purchase guarantee more appealing than selling properties on the open market.

antoinolachtnai · 12-04-2021 9:09pm

Dav010 wrote: »

They would have to make those grants/purchase guarantee more appealing than selling properties on the open market.

They would still sell them in open market. The guarantee would only be called in if the developer couldn’t find a purchaser (if there were a general economic collapse for example or if interest rates went high). The point would be to make it easier to get banks to fund construction because they would be assured of a purchaser.

OscarMIlde · 12-04-2021 9:11pm

The government should ban new build houses being sold to investors for buy to let. An awful lot of new houses built near me in the last few years were bought for high prices and immediately on the rental market. People stuck in the rental trap can't compete with these big investors on price and are stuck renting for another few years until they can get enough together for a dearer house if they do at all.

jimmycrackcorm · 12-04-2021 9:20pm

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I want the state - via local authorities or dedicated agencies - to take creative approaches to stimulate the provision of housing where profit is not the sole outcome.

I dont expect the state to be the builder of all of those homes, but could they contribute? Of course - is the provison of council houses that alien a concept? Why couldnt an agency like NAMA engage developers to build houses in a subsidised manner?

I certainly dont expect the state to tackle the problem of rising house prices by inflaming those prices, by buying premuim luxury apartments from the private sector at stupid levels like the ones in the article.

The only creative approach would be to set up a statutory body that would be allowed to develop housing but not be subject to objections by either politicians or nimbys.

Object on basis of increased traffic - nope - you're the one causing traffic by driving.
Building too high - stop watching skyscraper disaster movies.

Yonce · 12-04-2021 9:26pm

Caranica wrote: »

Again I refer to the Shanganagh development with the LDA. Every local authority in the country is watching this development to see how it works out. If it's a success, the model will be rolled out.

Havnt heard of this..
What is it in a nutshell

mariaalice · 13-04-2021 8:42am

The issue is they dont know what to do.

https://www.helptobuy.gov.uk/

That is what they have in the UK and it's not without its issues and the serious issue at that there was a proposal to do the same here but parties to the left screamed blue murder about it, and it would possibly only increase prices.

in a market where supply does not meet demand, any intervention is only going to raise prices.

handlemaster · 13-04-2021 8:59am

hi! wrote: »

I emailed all my local TDs and then minister for housing and Toasiesch.
The only reply I got was from my local Sinn Fein TD saying they agreed with everything I said. Not much progress at all.

Of course SF did

handlemaster · 13-04-2021 9:03am

Shelga wrote: »

I've emailed Darragh O'Brien 3 times in 3 months to ask what the plan is to alleviate supply issues, and have heard nothing back, not a single response. The contempt shown to us by government is just incredible.

Has anyone else had any luck in getting responses from the people in the Dail who are supposed to represent us, yet have made this issue worse and worse and worse over the last decade?

I'm at the end of my rope. Considering leaving again, for the second time in a decade. What's the point of trying to live in Dublin, as a single person. Obviously it's a dire situation for couples and families too, it's just so stressful.

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/bungalow-20-st-brendans-terrace-coolock-dublin-5/3174734

This shack of a house, requiring full refurbishment, went up on Saturday (2 days ago) and is already up to €255k. 13% over asking, within 48 hours, without viewings taking place. I hear nothing from government ministers about the situation, still absolutely no clue when viewings will be happening again.

I just hope it somehow gets the slighest bit better in the next 6 months, or I'm off. The panic levels out there are unreal at the moment.

Every turn people have agreed with the new regulations against landlords. This is what you get people pleasers making laws to please the people. The result is what you have now. Investment in housing is what it is as investors assets are no longer to be viewed as their assets. Every year over the last few years laws have been changed to appease the public with no one politician having the back bone to say this is counter productive

The comment about going if it doesn't get better is laughable. People have a choice to move if they want lots of countries out there to move to.

Idbatterim · 13-04-2021 9:09am

Watch realestate4ransom on youtube op, it explains why governments love rip off prices... housing situation here is obviously going to get worse , it has too... shutting down residential construction was idiocy full stop, I dont care about a few more covid cases, it was utter idiocy...

rightmove · 13-04-2021 9:39am

OscarMIlde wrote: »

. People stuck in the rental trap can't compete with these big investors on price and are stuck renting for another few years until they can get enough together for a dearer house if they do at all.

Same ppl renting were delighted that the RTB anti LL regulation were brought in. Time and time we were told that the mom and pop LL was bad model and the big investors were the way to go and the regulations didnt bite them the way they did small LL. Its a case of you reap what you sow.

I would have continued to rent out my gaff (while also renting myself at the time) but gov regulation meant I sold my rented house and bought where I lived as I could not find another place to rent.

Idbatterim · 13-04-2021 9:46am

Free housing for " the poor" paid for by the poor, who will never own their own home or have to emigrate etc...

mariaalice · 13-04-2021 9:58am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Free housing for " the poor" paid for by the poor, who will never own their own home or have to emigrate etc...

It all well giving out but what is your solution to housing those on low income that does not cost anything to the taxpayer.

Two examples and you tell me the solution.

Person A has a child and works in a creche their income is 27k plus a small amount of maintenance they live in Dublin.

In fact, what are your solution for any modestly paid worker or for those with mental health issues or disabilities in Dublin?

Any nonsensical answers such as they need to get better jobs = a fail as every society need carers, childcare workers, retail, transport and myriad of other job that do no pay very well.

ELM327 · 13-04-2021 9:59am

There is no housing crisis.

I'd much prefer that our ministers' time is spent on the vaccine rollout.

mariaalice · 13-04-2021 10:05am

ELM327 wrote: »

There is no housing crisis.

I'd much prefer that our ministers' time is spent on the vaccine rollout.

The is an affordability issue for some that is not a crisis.

Xterminator · 13-04-2021 10:10am

ELM327 wrote: »

There is no housing crisis.

To be fair for people on the property ladder, there is no crisis.

they have pulled the ladder up behind them and those who live in rented accommodation are not invited to the party.

of those on rented accommodation the ones with council & state funded controlled rent, as again okay, was rent is tied to income and tenure is safe.

Of those who are on the waiting list, or not eligible - they pay more for rent than a mortgage would cost on the open market, but they are excluded from getting a mortgage - and if they ever get ill or lose their job etc, they are truly screwed.

But i am guessing ELM327 and a large chunk of the population are grand, and sure if they are grand, they can say

There is no housing crisis

slipperyox · 13-04-2021 10:17am

I reckon the solution of housing is as follows:

1) Everyone accepts that housing is exceptionally important .
2) As such, it is not treated as a "good".
3) Every person in ireland is only allowed to own 2 houses.

Give 15 years for the last rule to kick in.

That would solve an awful lot of problems, for several reasons.

Mrs OBumble · 13-04-2021 10:26am

[quote="slipperyox;116875113"
3) Every person in ireland is only allowed to own 2 houses.

Give 15 years for the last rule to kick in.

That would solve an awful lot of problems, for several reasons.[/quote]

If companies were not allowed to own houses, there would be a LOT of social houses being sold.

13-04-2021 10:27am

mariaalice wrote: »

It all well giving out but what is your solution to housing those on low income that does not cost anything to the taxpayer.

Two examples and you tell me the solution.

Person A has a child and works in a creche their income is 27k plus a small amount of maintenance they live in Dublin.

In fact, what are your solution for any modestly paid worker or for those with mental health issues or disabilities in Dublin?

Any nonsensical answers such as they need to get better jobs = a fail as every society need carers, childcare workers, retail, transport and myriad of other job that do no pay very well.

It was ever thus. Buying in most cities is not cheap for obvious reasons. I hate to say it, but society does not owe anyone a house.

ELM327 · 13-04-2021 10:31am

mariaalice wrote: »

The is an affordability issue for some that is not a crisis.

Correct, if your current job cannot fund a house purchase then you need a new job.

Xterminator wrote: »

To be fair for people on the property ladder, there is no crisis.

they have pulled the ladder up behind them and those who live in rented accommodation are not invited to the party.

of those on rented accommodation the ones with council & state funded controlled rent, as again okay, was rent is tied to income and tenure is safe.

Of those who are on the waiting list, or not eligible - they pay more for rent than a mortgage would cost on the open market, but they are excluded from getting a mortgage - and if they ever get ill or lose their job etc, they are truly screwed.

But i am guessing ELM327 and a large chunk of the population are grand, and sure if they are grand, they can say

I rented for 10 years privately before buying a cheap apartment in 2018. We're now looking to move again.

There was no crisis when I was renting up to 2018, and there is no crisis now.

fliball123 · 13-04-2021 10:33am

mariaalice wrote: »

It all well giving out but what is your solution to housing those on low income that does not cost anything to the taxpayer.

Two examples and you tell me the solution.

Person A has a child and works in a creche their income is 27k plus a small amount of maintenance they live in Dublin.

In fact, what are your solution for any modestly paid worker or for those with mental health issues or disabilities in Dublin?

Any nonsensical answers such as they need to get better jobs = a fail as every society need carers, childcare workers, retail, transport and myriad of other job that do no pay very well.

Person A should of thought about the consequences of having a kid before having one and at the very least asking one very basic question can I afford it.
Also why isnt babydaddy paying more. Person A could afford to live in other areas of the country why should they get preferential treatment of living somewhere that a high number of people also want to live? Why is it it nonsensical to say they need to get a better job?? Its as nonsensical as asking others to pay for you to stay somewhere you cant afford.

Mad_maxx · 13-04-2021 10:33am

slipperyox wrote: »

I reckon the solution of housing is as follows:

1) Everyone accepts that housing is exceptionally important .
2) As such, it is not treated as a "good".
3) Every person in ireland is only allowed to own 2 houses.

Give 15 years for the last rule to kick in.

That would solve an awful lot of problems, for several reasons.

you forgot another key solution

1. frivolous objections to developments should not be entertained , that is a major factor and its completely politicised , SF have blocked building left right and centre in Dublin as they are the largest party on DCC , pure political cynicism

mariaalice · 13-04-2021 10:35am

Dav010 wrote: »

It was ever thus. Buying in most cities is not cheap for obvious reasons. I hate to say it, but society does not owe anyone a house.

Society does not own anyone a house but if you want services in large urban areas people have to be housed.

So how does society house moderately or averagely paid workers? and preferably it's not to cost the taxpayer any money.

slipperyox · 13-04-2021 10:35am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If companies were not allowed to own houses, there would be a LOT of social houses being sold.

Why would a company need to own a house?
A person in the company could.

ELM327 · 13-04-2021 10:35am

fliball123 wrote: »

Person A should of thought about the consequences of having a kid before having one and at the very least asking one very basic question can I afford it.
Also why isnt babydaddy paying more. Person A could afford to live in other areas of the country why should they get preferential treatment of living somewhere that a high number of people also want to live? Why is it it nonsensical to say they need to get a better job?? Its as nonsensical as asking others to pay for you to stay somewhere you cant afford.

Simples. Person A should move to an area they can afford! I moved from Dublin to Meath in 2014 as I couldnt afford to rent a larger house in Dublin.

mariaalice · 13-04-2021 10:49am

fliball123 wrote: »

Person A should of thought about the consequences of having a kid before having one and at the very least asking one very basic question can I afford it.
Also why isnt babydaddy paying more. Person A could afford to live in other areas of the country why should they get preferential treatment of living somewhere that a high number of people also want to live? Why is it it nonsensical to say they need to get a better job?? Its as nonsensical as asking others to pay for you to stay somewhere you cant afford.

First off A is from Dublin and is working in a creche with the children of well-off IT workers and the like the IT worker can't go to work unless A goes to work.
If A gets a better Job who is going to work in the childcare sector or any sector that pays modestly.

Define affordable in regards to having a baby by your definition everyone on average and above incomes in Dublin should not have a baby as the average cost of child care is 1000k a month.

Where within commuting range of Dublin would a worker on 27k get a home?

By you definition evey lower-paid civil servant, retail, pub, restaurant, childcare, and care worker should feck off out of Dublin.

13-04-2021 10:52am

mariaalice wrote: »

Society does not own anyone a house but if you want services in large urban areas people have to be housed.

So how does society house moderately or averagely paid workers? and preferably it's not to cost the taxpayer any money.

I understand your point, but this is not unique to Ireland. I lived and worked in London and New York in the 90s and could not afford to live near where I worked in either. I had long commutes daily in both cities. Eventually I took a job outside London where I could afford to live within 30mins of where I worked. Ce la vie.

Mrs OBumble · 13-04-2021 10:53am

slipperyox wrote: »

Why would a company need to own a house?
A person in the company could.

How many people do you think there are working in Clúid, Respond, Tuath, etc

mariaalice · 13-04-2021 10:56am

ELM327 wrote: »

Simples. Person A should move to an area they can afford! I moved from Dublin to Meath in 2014 as I couldnt afford to rent a larger house in Dublin.

Where is the area when A on an income of 27k plus say 3k maintenance could house themselves and still work in childcare in Dublin and by way, A has a degree? they just happen to work in a not very well-paid area.

ELM327 · 13-04-2021 10:58am

mariaalice wrote: »

Where is the area when A on an income of 27k plus say 3k maintenance could house themselves and still work in childcare in Dublin and by way, A has a degree? they just happen to work in a not very well-paid area.

Why have they to work in Dublin? That's not affordable for them, demonstrably, as they cannot afford to live there.
(The degree is not relevant by the way, that just means they have spent thousands of taxpayer money to get a qualification)

27k is a low salary, but you could get housing in plenty of areas with that.
Cavan for instance.

mariaalice · 13-04-2021 10:59am

Dav010 wrote: »

I understand your point, but this is not unique to Ireland. I lived and worked in London and New York in the 90s and could not afford to live near where I worked in either. I had long commutes daily in both cities. Eventually I took a job outside London where I could afford to live within 30mins of where I worked. Ce la vie.

Nobody is answering the question of where within commuting distance of their job in Dublin A on an income of 27k could house themselves?

ELM327 · 13-04-2021 11:03am

mariaalice wrote: »

Nobody is answering the question of where within commuting distance of their job in Dublin A on an income of 27k could house themselves?

Because they cannot afford to sustain a lifestyle in dublin on a single 27k salary?

Show me an area of london, paris, new york, berlin etc where you can live in the city on a single 27k salary?

Has anyone had any luck with politicans about housing crisis?

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