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Are there paid shills, hired trolls, and web bots on boards.ie?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Thats really only dawning on you now?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Given that Sky News website had upwards of 25 stories about the Rohynga in Myanmar with all of them promoting one side of the story I'd say that news sites are already promoting their agenda


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭Prune Tracy


    Sky News is usually anti muslim. How could there be any other side really to the Rohingya people's plight - there are innocent civilian families enduring unimaginable mistreatment by a brutal Myanmar military (which has been brutal to its own people too). That's all there is to it really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Sky News is usually anti muslim. How could there be any other side really to the Rohingya people's plight - there are innocent civilian families enduring unimaginable mistreatment by a brutal Myanmar military (which has been brutal to its own people too). That's all there is to it really.

    I'd agree to a point but it's not a black and white issue. The Rohynga are not angels in this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭Prune Tracy


    I'd agree to a point but it's not a black and white issue. The Rohynga are not angels in this.
    Maybe the militants aren't but innocent civilians are bearing the brunt as usual.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    I dunno but Im suspicious of the guy who started the 'how big is your telly' thread. He could be working for the TV license dept.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I always took one of the posters in the politics section as a putinbot.
    Well there was one poster who couldn't twist and turn fast enough to agree with everything Putin related, from the US election to Ukraine, but they've not posted in a good eight months. I mentioned in one of the threads though that there has been a 'peculiar' uptick in the number of abortion themed threads on AH in recent weeks, it'll be interesting to see if that continues to ramp up and up between now and the referendum.

    Typically though, I wouldn't expect it on here much. You can find them on reddit really easily in any subreddit based on politics, abortion, or anything along those lines (they usually beef their accounts up early on with memes, sports and gaming posts to get easy upvotes and to look like a genuine account).

    It makes more sense for them to move in waves, and while we did have a wave of pro Trump accounts register in the months leading up to the US election that quickly vanished after as another example, I really don't think boards is a big enough target or Ireland a 'relevant' enough player for it to be worth the effort, and by and large these guys tend to try to hit hard and fast en-masse to control the narrative, rather than individually where their comments can just slip through the net unnoticed. If we had another Lisbon referendum type situation though (and I suppose for some interests, abortion would qualify) then I could see them having use on boards.

    Good, quick video on how these accounts work on Reddit in particular for anyone confused (the same principle easily translates into other platforms like Twitter, and while I'm sure there are other methods it also shows why this type on a 'traditional' forum setup like boards would be less successful e.g. no upvote system for prominence).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Well there was one poster who couldn't twist and turn fast enough to agree with everything Putin related, from the US election to Ukraine, but they've not posted in a good eight months. I mentioned in one of the threads though that there has been a 'peculiar' uptick in the number of abortion themed threads on AH in recent weeks, it'll be interesting to see if that continues to ramp up and up between now and the referendum.

    Typically though, I wouldn't expect it on here much. You can find them on reddit really easily in any subreddit based on politics, abortion, or anything along those lines (they usually beef their accounts up early on with memes, sports and gaming posts to get easy upvotes and to look like a genuine account).

    It makes more sense for them to move in waves, and while we did have a wave of pro Trump accounts register in the months leading up to the US election that quickly vanished after as another example, I really don't think boards is a big enough target or Ireland a 'relevant' enough player for it to be worth the effort, and by and large these guys tend to try to hit hard and fast en-masse to control the narrative, rather than individually where their comments can just slip through the net unnoticed. If we had another Lisbon referendum type situation though (and I suppose for some interests, abortion would qualify) then I could see them having use on boards.

    Good, quick video on how these accounts work on Reddit in particular for anyone confused (the same principle easily translates into other platforms like Twitter, and while I'm sure there are other methods it also shows why this type on a 'traditional' forum setup like boards would be less successful e.g. no upvote system for prominence).

    You realise that not everybody who disagrees with you is a Russian bot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭Prune Tracy


    You realise that not everybody who disagrees with you is a Russian bot.
    I'd say he does definitely and is referring to people who defend Vlad no matter what, and twist and downplay facts relating to Vlad, as Russia bots... rather than just those who disagree with him. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    You realise that not everybody who disagrees with you is a Russian bot.
    Sounds like something a bot would say... :D

    Like I said though, I doubt there are much if any on here. The way boards works doesn't make it all that beneficial, since 150 'likes' doesn't get your post any closer to the first page, or the most recent one either. Meanwhile though they are very prominent on the likes of reddit and Twitter, some through purpose dedicated troll factories like the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, others more as independent contractors who will support whatever you (the client) want to pay them to support.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    I'd say he does definitely and is referring to people who defend Vlad no matter what, and twist and downplay facts relating to Vlad, as Russia bots... rather than just those who disagree with him. ;)

    It’s perfectly reasonable to see the anti-Russian hysteria for what it is. A new McCarthyism.

    It’s also perfectly reasonable to not agree with American or western foreign policy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    There's rumours some of the boards mods are trolls. They've been reported as being homeless and living under bridges.
    They can apparently distinguish between sheep and goats crossing their bridge and eat the goats :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    It’s perfectly reasonable to see the anti-Russian hysteria for what it is. A new McCarthyism.

    It’s also perfectly reasonable to not agree with American or western foreign policy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭Prune Tracy


    It’s perfectly reasonable to see the anti-Russian hysteria for what it is. A new McCarthyism.
    What?! :pac:

    There are witch hunts of Russian people with them losing their jobs?

    How is criticism of Vlad = anti Russian. Nobody is saying he is all Russian people.

    And what about those in the middle (like me) who can see positives to him (strong leadership, improved economy) and can understand why the people of Russia like having him as their leader, but can also see negative aspects of concern?

    To refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoings whatsoever and to condemn any criticism backed up by facts is to be brainwashed.
    It’s also perfectly reasonable to not agree with American or western foreign policy.
    Of course it is - I don't see anything to the contrary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Yep everywhere, remember at the height of the water charges protests the journal.ie had numerous Fine Gael /pro water charges paid trolls who were caught out but continued on relentlessly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    What?! :pac:

    There are witch hunts of Russian people with them losing their jobs?

    McCarthyism wasn’t a witch hunt of Russian people. I’d do the Piccard facepalm but I leave that kind of argument to morons. It was a belief that the Russians were influencing American politics via internal political organisations like the communists.
    How is criticism of Vlad = anti Russian. Nobody is saying he is all Russian people.

    This is a thread about Russian “bots” on boards. It’s not about Putin. I didn’t mention Putin.
    And what about those in the middle (like me) who can see positives to him (strong leadership, improved economy) and can understand why the people of Russia like having him as their leader, but can also see negative aspects of concern?

    To refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoings whatsoever and to condemn any criticism backed up by facts is to be brainwashed.

    Again the thread isn’t about Putin. It’s about Russians under the bed. I didn’t mention Putin.
    Of course it is - I don't see anything to the contrary.

    Oh a lot of the commentators here will cry Russian if you criticise us foreign policy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    A good example of the links between McCarthyism and the present Russian hysteria

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jimcarrey/status/929394238621564928?lang=en

    Remarkable that the US now sees themselves as victims in the war against Vietnam.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    A good example of the links between McCarthyism and the present Russian hysteria

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jimcarrey/status/929394238621564928?lang=en

    Remarkable that the US now sees themselves as victims in the war against Vietnam.

    Whatever you say comrade. What ever you say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Army_of_One


    Exhibit 1 : https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057383413

    Just a heads up but there's an awful bang of Putin smegma off that thread


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    Whatever you say comrade. What ever you say.

    You don’t think so? You believe the US war in Vietnam to be legit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Well there was one poster who couldn't twist and turn fast enough to agree with everything Putin related, from the US election to Ukraine, but they've not posted in a good eight months. I mentioned in one of the threads though that there has been a 'peculiar' uptick in the number of abortion themed threads on AH in recent weeks, it'll be interesting to see if that continues to ramp up and up between now and the referendum.

    Typically....

    Reddit is notorious for shills and web bot accounts, to the point that it is no longer a human site-I would say almost all the content is automatically generated.

    The Politics forum there is the most notable example. It's just hundreds and hundreds of Trump hit pieces every day. It was very notable the day after he won the election, the anti-Trump content suddenly stopped.

    I suspect it's because this is when the shillbots had their contracts expire. They've since returned with a vengeance though.

    Another good example is the 'askreddit' forum. It's pretty much the same questions repeated every few months, with practically the same answers being regurgitated in a slightly different format.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    It's just hundreds and hundreds of Trump hit pieces every day.

    I wonder can he help with the North, like Bill Clinton did?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭LewisR


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Meanwhile, FF have proposed that using web bots to influence public opinion should be a crime.
    Squeaky bum time for a few notable boardsies I would say....
    New Bill proposes action against fake social media accounts
    Government’s strategic communications unit targeted in Fianna Fail legislation

    The use of internet “bots” to manipulate online political debates and influence campaigns would become a crime under a Private Members’ Bill to be introduced in the Dáil on Wednesday.
    New rules requiring transparency on the funding sources of online political advertising are also included in the Online Advertising and Social Media (Transparency) Bill which Fianna Fáil TD James Lawless has drafted.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/new-bill-proposes-action-against-fake-social-media-accounts-1.3316254


    It would be interesting to see just what the Leo's 'Strategic Communications Unit' is getting up to behind closed doors. Their budget for next year alone is €5 million euros :eek:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/strategic-communications-unit-cost-3639125-Oct2017/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Well there was one poster who couldn't twist and turn fast enough to agree with everything Putin related, from the US election to Ukraine, but they've not posted in a good eight months. I mentioned in one of the threads though that there has been a 'peculiar' uptick in the number of abortion themed threads on AH in recent weeks, it'll be interesting to see if that continues to ramp up and up between now and the referendum.

    Typically though, I wouldn't expect it on here much. You can find them on reddit really easily in any subreddit based on politics, abortion, or anything along those lines (they usually beef their accounts up early on with memes, sports and gaming posts to get easy upvotes and to look like a genuine account).

    It makes more sense for them to move in waves, and while we did have a wave of pro Trump accounts register in the months leading up to the US election that quickly vanished after as another example, I really don't think boards is a big enough target or Ireland a 'relevant' enough player for it to be worth the effort, and by and large these guys tend to try to hit hard and fast en-masse to control the narrative, rather than individually where their comments can just slip through the net unnoticed. If we had another Lisbon referendum type situation though (and I suppose for some interests, abortion would qualify) then I could see them having use on boards.

    Good, quick video on how these accounts work on Reddit in particular for anyone confused (the same principle easily translates into other platforms like Twitter, and while I'm sure there are other methods it also shows why this type on a 'traditional' forum setup like boards would be less successful e.g. no upvote system for prominence).
    3 years since the user I was thinking of posted.

    https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=436119&sort=newest


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    We should be seeing some Israeli ones popping up in the next while


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Meanwhile, FF have proposed that using web bots to influence public opinion should be a crime.
    Squeaky bum time for a few notable boardsies I would say....



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/new-bill-proposes-action-against-fake-social-media-accounts-1.3316254


    It would be interesting to see just what the Leo's 'Strategic Communications Unit' is getting up to behind closed doors. Their budget for next year alone is €5 million euros :eek:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/strategic-communications-unit-cost-3639125-Oct2017/

    More nonsense ramblings from the opposition.

    Claiming it to be something it's not.

    Fake news.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    It would almost reduce you to tears! Fianna Fail who destroyed this country with their culture of back handers, brown envelopes, the Galway races "tint", cowboy builders and speculators now want new rules requiring transparency of political funding!
    But if the good people of Ireland forgive and forget then thats the way it goes I suppose .....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    The only interest I think we might have to states who use "web-brigades"/"50 cent army" paid trolls to influence public opinion in democracies is that we are an EU member (so they could perhaps affect workings of the EU by influencing Irish public opinion in the right way, seems a long shot though).

    I would think the more powerful or just more populous states within the EU (more important for QMV decisions in EU) would make better targets.

    One thing that occurs is the fact we speak English means they can get a two-for-one and target much the same propaganda / teams of trolls at both ourselves and the UK.

    Our importance for this type of operation might rise when UK leaves the EU. We'll be pretty much the only EU member state they could use teams of English-speaking trolls on - they need fluent French speakers for France, Polish speakers for Poland etc etc which must be harder than getting trolls who are passably fluent in English.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    I'm going to really show my ignorance here, but it anonymous so here goes. I get what a paid troll but what is a web bot. Was that the phrase? Does it automatically generate content without any human interaction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    And what is a paid shill?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭circadian


    3 years since the user I was thinking of posted.

    https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=436119&sort=newest

    Just over two years for their similarly named counterpart https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=720459&sort=newest


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Imagine getting paid money to talk pure sh online and trying to explain it to the folks :pac:
    "My Henry just qualified as a doctor, what's your Michael up to these days?"

    "He talks sh1te on the internet."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    "My Henry just qualified as a doctor, what's your Michael up to these days?"

    "He talks sh1te on the internet."

    He works in "marketing"


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Someone paid to post positive things about a company / brand / political party / cause etc

    Boards is rife with it.

    How do we describe those who have an unhealthy obsession with hating a particular political party, country, ideology, person/persons?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    More nonsense ramblings from the opposition.

    Claiming it to be something it's not.

    Fake news.

    I don't know, whatever about the current group they appear to be targeting with it, having laws in place regarding issues like this could be very helpful to protect against the much more damaging nonsense seen in the US and UK last year (not referring the election/referendum results so much as the fake news/social media bot/etc campaigns). As to how effectively Ireland could police it without the greater EU being involved however, would concern me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Saruhashi


    Certain posters have a very noticeable trend of only appearing for certain topics, and disappearing again until the next similar debate pops up. (There are also certain posters who group together and thank each others posts repeatedly, but they seem be to more partisan in nature.)

    To be honest here I would say that there are a few topics that I find really interesting and I think the best discussion or argument, for me, is contained within those topics. I'm not Russian though. I'm not a bot.

    I would say I basically see Boards as a form of entertainment primarily and a source of news to a lesser extent. Participation is just a nice bonus, really.

    I think the opinion you've presented above puts you in a bit of a strange situation yourself.

    By saying a certain group of people always show up on certain topics and are partisan in nature you have already "poisoned the well" when it comes to discussion on that topic.

    Implying that people on one side of an argument must be "fake" or "bots" or "Russian" before the discussion even gets going is just a tactic.

    when someone uses that tactic it brings their motivations into doubt.

    What if there are a bunch of bots that go around accusing other people of being bots? How do you untangle that? Botception! BWWWAAAAAAM!

    Let's say there is a pro-choice vs "pro-life" debate going on and the pro choicers are accusing the pro lifers of all being "bots" or evangelical american backed paid accounts or some such. Then how do we know that actually the pro choice crowd are not also paid shills trying to undermine the genuine pro life people?

    Imagine going into a discussion with the idea already set in your mind that anyone who disagrees with you is a fake Russian account. How are you not totally blinkered at that stage? How would you even be able to think rationally?

    Such posters have already decided that not only are they right but that they also know what everyone else is thinking and that anyone who wants to offer any contradictory points must be a fake or a troll account.

    In the wake of Trump and Brexit it seems like a lot of people are using these "bot" situations as a tactic to control the discussion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    That's the point though, to stir things up, cause division and distrust.

    Bomb Syria to generate a huge influx of refugees, while promoting anti-immigration politics throughout Europe.

    It's not about trying to win people to their cause, it's about weakening and undermining western democratic nations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Saruhashi


    That's the point though, to stir things up, cause division and distrust.

    Bomb Syria to generate a huge influx of refugees, while promoting anti-immigration politics throughout Europe.

    It's not about trying to win people to their cause, it's about weakening and undermining western democratic nations.

    Definitely and they seem to be doing a terrifyingly good job of it.

    In the US it looks like you've got large sections of the population who simply cannot accept any kind of disagreement. The amount of people I see online talking about "Nazis" and "SJWs" is ridiculous.

    Everyone is losing their mind over fringe groups that should not be allowed anywhere near positions of power and that "outrage" is giving those groups the power they need to exert influence.

    DONALD F*CKING TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

    Something is seriously, seriously, wrong here. How did this happen?

    If you have an opinion that questions either of these 2 extreme sides? Prepare to be hounded, banned, blocked, whatever. They simply will not accept any criticism. The side that hounds you most? Of course you are going to vote against their interests, no matter what. It makes sense.

    However, these groups seem to be driven by Americans venting their various frustrations on the Internet. Sometimes it seems like they are about to go to war with each other over tweets and memes.

    The whole thing is driven by people in the US. At least it has started in the US. Maybe the Russians are nudging things along but I don't think the sole responsibility lies with the Russians.

    It might be a good time for everyone to look at their internet activity.

    I see well meaning people who are not bots spreading outright lies and misinformation and I wonder "why would you do this".

    I have a friend on Twitter who lives in Ireland but posts about "Nazis" 20 to 30 times a day. EVERY DAY. I tried saying "maybe dial it down" but I got the old WW2 happened because people didn't protest the Nazis line.

    This person is a good person. Really a good person but they just can't help themselves at this point. They just NEED to "win" and be right on the Internet.

    A lot of times it's real people who KNOW the truth about a situation but they will share the lie because it suits their agenda or makes them feel good.

    I think that this could almost be worse than bots or trolls or shills. The genuine guy or girl who just wants their dopamine hit now and to hell with the consequences.

    I think I'm guilty of it sometimes too. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭valoren


    "Cause this is Shiller! Shiller night! And no one's gonna save you from the Bots about to strike....."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    There's a load of right-wing, "new" accounts constantly starting up new threads to whinge about "SJW's", muslims and foreigners.

    I'd bet that it's one, maybe two people behind it all and whinging over at Voat about boards at the same time.

    Mod actions have to be questioned here too though. It'd be easy to stop these brand new troll and dump accounts by either having a minimum post requirement to post here or a waiting time between signing up and posting on AH.

    It's a shame because it's making AH a place where I spend less and less time and somewhere like r/ireland becomes much more appealing because it's self-policing and the troll accounts generally get spotted and down-voted into oblivion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭tara73


    kbannon wrote: »
    It is very scary.
    I read yesterday how Brexit is a plot by the Germans to lead us towards a WWIII in order to help push the German manufacturing industry. Apparently the French are helping as they have been promised billions by German banks.
    This was backed up by so many facts in secret research papers which are being withheld by governments across Europe.
    Our governments are complicit and lying to us all.

    aahahahaha, that's the most crazy stuff I read in a while...I strongly presume it was meant as a joke...although the last sentence is of some insight..:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    Im doing my bit

    but so far

    no cheques have arrived


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    People with different opinions than you OP aren't paid trolls or bots.
    People have different opinions, people will have some opinion that annoys you - everyone does.
    This generation can't take anything different, it's agree with us or "Shut them DOWN SHUT THEM DOWN!! HATE SPEECH HATE SPEECH"!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭NollagShona


    joe40 wrote: »
    He works in "marketing"

    He's an "influencer"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    There is definitely at least one poster on Boards that goes into topics and takes the least popular view, whatever that may be and just riles everyone up.

    I'm becoming convinced they're paid by Boards just to keep threads going because most threads are dying a quick death now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    pilly wrote: »
    There is definitely at least one poster on Boards that goes into topics and takes the least popular view, whatever that may be and just riles everyone up.

    I'm becoming convinced they're paid by Boards just to keep threads going because most threads are dying a quick death now.

    "No, you're wrong". ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    pilly wrote: »
    There is definitely at least one poster on Boards that goes into topics and takes the least popular view, whatever that may be and just riles everyone up.

    I'm becoming convinced they're paid by Boards just to keep threads going because most threads are dying a quick death now.

    You seem surprised by that. This is common in all media. Radio phone in shows, opinion articles and especially online fora etc.

    Hey we even had an Admin stepping down to do a Mod Job there a few pages back :) I noticed Zaph...

    And no one has spoken about business yet.

    With 33% of traffic coming in from web search, being a Top 25 site and most importantly a healthy average on site time of 8 and a half minutes per visitor, make no mistake it will be targetted. Irish do love to talk but make no mistake this is a business.

    But lets not forget the first rule of fight club... :)


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    STB. wrote: »
    Hey we even had an Admin stepping down to do a Mod Job there a few pages back :) I noticed Zaph...

    I did? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    Zaph wrote: »
    I did? :confused:

    Aha. Thought no one noticed eh.

    You can blame the russians all you want :)


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