Nvidia RTX Discussion

Cordell · 06-01-2020 5:23pm

I've some cash burning a hole in my pocket :P Should I upgrade my 2060 to a 2070S or try my best to refrain myself and wait for the new gen?

K.O.Kiki · 06-01-2020 5:30pm

It's ~25% which IMHO is enough to justify the upgrade, especially since you should get a decent chunk back for the current GPU.
However I'd hold on a week to see what (if anything) gets announced during CES this week.

K.O.Kiki · 23-01-2020 4:05pm

Very interesting - the TU104 die in the RTX 2060 KO increases workstation performance, but at the same time the die is power/overclocking limited due to being a defective 2080.

Mr Crispy · 16-02-2020 9:29pm

Looks like Ampere is being readied for at least a reveal in the next month or so.

EoinHef · 16-02-2020 11:27pm

Hardware unboxed video yesterday reviewed DLSS 2.0.

Looks good. Doesnt need titles to be supported,also does not use the tensor cores anymore so i wonder will it come to older gen GPU's.

I really want to get a replacement for my GTX 1080 at this point but im not seeing value there yet so starting to get impatient for Nvidias next line up and what ever AMD have in the pipeline.

tuxy · 16-02-2020 11:59pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Hardware unboxed video yesterday reviewed DLSS 2.0.

Looks good. Doesnt need titles to be supported,also does not use the tensor cores anymore so i wonder will it come to older gen GPU's.

Did I misunderstand the video?
It would seem that it does use the tensor cores but does not require them. Cards with tensor core will see better performance.

EoinHef · 17-02-2020 3:32am

tuxy wrote: »

Did I misunderstand the video?
It would seem that it does use the tensor cores but does not require them. Cards with tensor core will see better performance.

Yeah your right,dont know why it didnt register with me but he specifically says version 1.9 using shader cores was a one off for control. Somehow i missed that!!

Nice feature for RTX owners only then,shame. I do agree with the video thats its taken entirely too long to get DLSS to a place where its a nice feature but going forward its a feature i wouldnt mind having. The performace uplift would be nice for 4K

Calibos · 19-02-2020 5:49pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Hardware unboxed video yesterday reviewed DLSS 2.0.

Looks good. Doesnt need titles to be supported,also does not use the tensor cores anymore so i wonder will it come to older gen GPU's.

I really want to get a replacement for my GTX 1080 at this point but im not seeing value there yet so starting to get impatient for Nvidias next line up and what ever AMD have in the pipeline.

Me too. Bought a HP Reverb VR HMD (2160x2160 pixels per eye) in the Black Friday sales for Virtual Cinema and Space/Flight/Driving Sim usage. The jump in clarity compared to Rift S/Valve Index is great and while I am surprised how well my current 4.6ghz 6700K/GTX1080 is holding up, I am having to drop the detail a bit and still see some stuttering and thus can't wait till the Intel 10 series CPU's and nVidia RTX3000 series launch so I can build a new rig to take maximum advantage of the Reverbs resolution.

TitianGerm · 19-02-2020 6:00pm

Calibos wrote: »

Me too. Bought a HP Reverb VR HMD (2160x2160 pixels per eye) in the Black Friday sales for Virtual Cinema and Space/Flight/Driving Sim usage. The jump in clarity compared to Rift S/Valve Index is great and while I am surprised how well my current 4.6ghz 6700K/GTX1080 is holding up, I am having to drop the detail a bit and still see some stuttering and thus can't wait till the Intel 10 series CPU's and nVidia RTX3000 series launch so I can build a new rig to take maximum advantage of the Reverbs resolution.

Would you not consider a Ryzen cpu?

BloodBath · 19-02-2020 6:48pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Would you not consider a Ryzen cpu?

VR stresses the cpu a lot more than normal as it's 2 different 90hz+ images and a wider field of view than normal meaning more on screen geomotry which also puts more demand on the cpu.

Intel still makes the best gaming cpu's if you want the maximum cpu power for gaming at high refresh rates or VR assuming you don't get gpu botlenecked first which in most cases you will.

Inviere · 20-02-2020 8:18am

BloodBath wrote: »

Intel still makes the best gaming cpu's

Is that before or after mitigations?

/runs

johnny_ultimate · 10-03-2020 5:17pm

Howdy folks, hoping for a bit of advice!

With Half-Life Alyx around the corner and a few other graphically intensive games on the horizon, I’m thinking now might be the time to upgrade my trusty old GTX 970. Part of a bigger PC upgrade: I’ll probably be looking at a CPU upgrade later this year, but for now the GPU is the priority.

I don’t pay super close attention to all the graphic cards happenings, but from some research (and being happy to stick with Nvidia) I’m looking at the RTX 2060 Super as an option. Reviews seem good, but just wanted to check on how people have gotten on with it here? Is it my best option in the €350-450 ballpark? It’ll be for 1080p still primarily, plus VR obviously (original Oculus Rift). Mostly in the market for a good powerful card that’ll see me through another five years without having to worry much.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated

Cordell · 10-03-2020 5:25pm

In that ballpark, in its upper end, a 2070 is the better option.

Serephucus · 10-03-2020 11:43pm

If you've stuck with a 970 this long, might be worth waiting a little bit longer. We're due to hear more about Ampere (the 30xx series) this month. By all accounts it'll be a big jump this time, not the so-so improvements of the 20xx line.

Cordell · 11-03-2020 9:48am

I was thinking the same when considering upgrading my 2060 to a 2070S, but realistically it won't be before September until new cards will be available, even more so with the current situation. So I went for the upgrade now.

Homelander · 11-03-2020 10:12am

I would understand if there was a bit more urgency, like a 970 is fairly old hat now, but coming from a 2060 it would be fairly easy to just get by for another 6 months! The new cards should be a massive leap, like going from a 970 to a 1070 was.

Cordell · 11-03-2020 10:37am

Well, yeah, but I wanted it

Mr Crispy · 11-03-2020 1:40pm

Seems there might be an 8GB version of the 2060 on the way (PCGamesN).

K.O.Kiki · 11-03-2020 10:57pm

https://twitter.com/NvidiaANZ/status/1237657045022781440

Star Lord · 12-03-2020 5:03pm

Serephucus wrote: »

If you've stuck with a 970 this long, might be worth waiting a little bit longer. We're due to hear more about Ampere (the 30xx series) this month. By all accounts it'll be a big jump this time, not the so-so improvements of the 20xx line.

This is the situation I find myself in at the minute, have started learning Blender, and doing renders on my i5 4690 and GTX970 is painfully slow, and the new RTX cards are a big improvement, so I'm aching to upgrade again... Was considering a Ravi 3700 cpu / RTX 2070 Super combo, which should bring a massive jump in rendering performance, but...

With the rumoured improvements that the 30xx cards will be bringing, it seems it'd be prudent to keep my powder dry for now... If I can remain patient...

tuxy · 12-03-2020 5:09pm

Remember the whole 3000 series will not be released at the same date, you could be waiting much longer for the one in your price range.

Star Lord · 12-03-2020 5:12pm

tuxy wrote: »

Remember the whole 3000 series will not be released at the same date, you could be waiting much longer for the one in your price range.

Oh, yeah, that's understood, probably be September at the earliest for those. Hence the high level of patience that'd be needed!

K.O.Kiki · 12-03-2020 5:31pm

Star Lord wrote: »

Oh, yeah, that's understood, probably be September at the earliest for those. Hence the high level of patience that'd be needed!

You'll cave.

We all do.

tuxy · 12-03-2020 5:34pm

September may be optimistic and Nvidia will probably price gouge as usual.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 12-03-2020 7:49pm

tuxy wrote: »

September may be optimistic and Nvidia will probably price gouge as usual.

Well boys it looks like the GPU's are going to get a lot of action over the next few months will all the enforced staying at home and staying in. Doom Eternal coming out, and the GPU melter that will the half-life Alyx...

Cordell · 27-03-2020 11:53am

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce...ss-2-0-update/

TitianGerm · 27-03-2020 11:57am

Cordell wrote: »

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce...ss-2-0-update/

Dead link?

Cordell · 27-03-2020 12:02pm

Yes, it seems the whole site is down...
Control DLSS 2.0 enabled with the latest driver and game update, pretty much the same as with Wolfenstein Young Blood, 3 levels (internal resolution) of dlss, better quality, good performance improvement.

K.O.Kiki · 24-04-2020 10:01am

A legit feature to tout now.

god's toy · 24-04-2020 10:53am

That is frigging fantastic! (I mean, it works as they said it would... and its from NVIDIA...) Should make those Zoom calls less of a pain. lol
I hear you can get to work on non RTX cards also but there would be a performance hit.

Cuddlesworth · 24-04-2020 11:05am

god's toy wrote: »

That is frigging fantastic! (I mean, it works as they said it would... and its from NVIDIA...) Should make those Zoom calls less of a pain. lol
I hear you can get to work on non RTX cards also but there would be a performance hit.

Barnicles had a live demo, it was impressive. Little bit of distortion in the voice at times, but the sheer amount of noise it pulled out was impressive.

I'm curious if they bought a company or if this was done internally. You would be nuts if you had the skills to do this, to develop it in company.

27-04-2020 10:54am

So, it's now over a year and a half since RTX launch, and with the 3000 series theoretically due in six months.

What's the general consensus on the 2000 series RTX, and the rumour mill on the 3000 series?

Cuddlesworth · 27-04-2020 12:05pm

L wrote: »

So, it's now over a year and a half since RTX launch, and with the 3000 series theoretically due in six months.

What's the general consensus on the 2000 series RTX, and the rumour mill on the 3000 series?

What I said it was when they were released.

A handful of titles using the "RTX" cores, with little impact either way and no meaningful need for the tech.
No competition, so high prices on the upper end models with no drops.

Next generation will be a 25-50% increase on last because its going to be a significant die shrink, with a probable price hike and new segments created. Eg, 2080ti will remain and will still be sold, 3080 will come in above and just be more expensive.

Cordell · 27-04-2020 1:02pm

The technology itself opened the way for raytracing APIs and next gen consoles supporting it. Arguably this is a huge impact even though there is just a handful of titles on PC (one really so far, only one in which the raytracing makes such a significant difference).
Same for DLSS and the new DirectML API.

K.O.Kiki · 27-04-2020 4:05pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

What I said it was when they were released.

A handful of titles using the "RTX" cores, with little impact either way and no meaningful need for the tech.
No competition, so high prices on the upper end models with no drops.

Next generation will be a 25-50% increase on last because its going to be a significant die shrink, with a probable price hike and new segments created. Eg, 2080ti will remain and will still be sold, 3080 will come in above and just be more expensive.

2070 Super & 2060 Super were essentially cheaper 2080/2070 cards, respectively.

The price drops justified me upgrading from a GTX 1080 :pac:

28-04-2020 1:54pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Next generation will be a 25-50% increase on last because its going to be a significant die shrink, with a probable price hike and new segments created. Eg, 2080ti will remain and will still be sold, 3080 will come in above and just be more expensive.

That's my fear as well. Another gen of overpriced tech due to lack of market competition.

Cordell wrote: »

The technology itself opened the way for raytracing APIs and next gen consoles supporting it. Arguably this is a huge impact even though there is just a handful of titles on PC (one really so far, only one in which the raytracing makes such a significant difference).
Same for DLSS and the new DirectML API.

I'll hold on that until I see it getting picked up more generally - 18 months is a long time not to see a major pimped out tech be adopted.

Cordell · 28-04-2020 2:12pm

IIRC DX11 HW tessellation took much longer to get any significant traction.

Cuddlesworth · 28-04-2020 4:05pm

Cordell wrote: »

IIRC DX11 HW tessellation took much longer to get any significant traction.

And DX12 will take longer. Next version even worse.

K.O.Kiki · 07-05-2020 11:08am

Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI are reportedly planning to clear NVIDIA GeForce RTX Turing stock

BloodBath · 07-05-2020 2:47pm

If the rumors are true about their next gen I'd stay well clear of the 20 series.

Allegedly up to 4 times the RT and Tensor performance on top of a reasonably big rasterisation bump.

Mr Crispy · 07-05-2020 2:50pm

Pricing is going to be........ interesting.

BloodBath · 07-05-2020 2:58pm

AMD's new top end gpu allegedly beats the 2080ti by as much as 50% and has dedicated ray tracing hardware so Nvidia will have some competition in the high end again.

Maybe their pricing will be better.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 07-05-2020 3:08pm

BloodBath wrote: »

AMD's new top end gpu allegedly beats the 2080ti by as much as 50% and has dedicated ray tracing hardware so Nvidia will have some competition in the high end again.

Maybe their pricing will be better.

sounds great...should play Halflife 3 well

BloodBath · 07-05-2020 3:11pm

You can be the guinea pig Fitz.

AMD have a hell of a lot to do on the software side to catch up to Nvidia. Their control panel is better. Everything else is worse.

I'm still having some driver issues with the 5700. It's really pissing me off at this stage.

Still under warranty so I'm eyeballing what nvidia is up to.

What's my stance on returning the 5700 for refund because of driver issues?

More and more software is making use of those RT and Tensor cores so I wouldn't mind getting on board. Some blender benchmarks for example. Optix makes use of the RT cores boosting render times significantly compared to CUDA.

Blender-2.81-Alpha-GPU-Tests-Classroom-CUDA-vs-OptiX.jpg

Blender-2.81-Alpha-GPU-Tests-Classroom-CUDA-vs-OptiX.jpg

Homelander · 07-05-2020 3:20pm

I returned mine to OCUK due to the driver issues, even explained the situation on their forum before doing so, and they OK'd exchanging it for a 2070 Super no problem.

I will be really interested in the new RTX3080 but my terrible experience with the 5700 - and how long the issue has persisted - has somewhat scared me away from any AMD GPU's going forward.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 07-05-2020 3:25pm

BloodBath wrote: »

You can be the guinea pig Fitz.

I look forward to the next cards, I have never gotten as long with a top end card as the 2080ti...would say two years buy the time its beaten (titans not included). They still sell on adverts for a grand, so I can see those two years costing me about 4-500 euro to upgrade. I do hope there is a very strong improvement in performance. If that upgrade is AMD so be it, I have no specific love of Nvidia,

Cuddlesworth · 07-05-2020 3:32pm

Not speaking at Bloodbath specifically but from what I have seen online after the recent drivers the majority of remaining problems are something else, but the AMD card was the obvious target for their issues.

BloodBath · 07-05-2020 3:39pm

The new 3080 allegedly coming in 10GB and 20Gb memory variants as well. I'm guessing the 20GB version is offering basically a budget titan for gamer/workstation users who can make use of the extra memory.

AMD's flagship rumored to have 12GB.

BloodBath · 07-05-2020 3:42pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Not speaking at Bloodbath specifically but from what I have seen online after the recent drivers the majority of remaining problems are something else, but the AMD card was the obvious target for their issues.

It could be but I've had identical issues over 2 builds with the same card now. Brand new system with fresh windows install and everything up to date still didn't fix it.

Unless it's a hardware problem with my card I don't know what to blame other than the drivers.

Cordell · 07-05-2020 3:45pm

BloodBath wrote: »

AMD's new top end gpu allegedly beats the 2080ti by as much as 50% and has dedicated ray tracing hardware so Nvidia will have some competition in the high end again.

Maybe their pricing will be better.

I find it very hard to believe. It's an architecture incremental update (or so the naming suggests) and a die shrink that can't possibly bring some 90-100% performance improvement (40% to close the gap + 50% to be 50% better).
But I will be very happy if that will turn out to be true

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