Toyota Rav 4 hybrid

Shefwedfan · 13-01-2019 10:36pm

astrofluff wrote: »

I think people have a misconception of how to use EV on a Toyota Hybrid. The battery and electric motor is to compliment the petrol engine, by moving the car without having to excessively rev/stop-start the engine. The EV function is more for moving the car a very short distance without the use of a petrol engine - e.g. you have you car parked in an underground car park, and you want to move it without using petrol (stealth mode ), or sitting in traffic to creep along, this function is so helpful with it being an automatic, and the computer decides what to use, battery or ICE, or both.

Sure, you're not going to get more than 1km from EV mode. I wouldn't be driving it like that using up the battery power, then needing to regen/recharge with the petrol engine. I could see the battery health being impact by a persons driving style. If you want the best economic way of moving around, use the ECO mode.

I know how to use hybrid, in the demo I discussed above I was interested to see how long it could go on battery, I was on a private road and I could go at whatever speed I wanted, I would never do on public road

If I had time I should have done it again but I would of had to drive around so the car could self charge ....boring

CramCycle · 13-01-2019 10:45pm

Mach Two wrote: »

Couldn't agree with you more. But the amount of rear enders on our roads is hugh. Never mind the near misses.

True, but unfortunately, they won't help you if someone rear ends you. Regrettably, as is my experience on the M50 and on most roads around. If you leave enough space for safe breaking and reaction, someone will move into it when traffic is busy. regrettably, I don't think what your looking for will help in these scenarios either.

I'm lucky myself at the minute, with work I have limited reason to drive and on those days I leave with an hour in hand before the heavy traffic begins, and even then its often annoying the messing you see.

We have an eVan in work but its not got a good enough range for my stuff, so stuck on Diesel there but they hope to have a decent range van or two on the books by the end of the year.

I cannot wait, aside from my pro EV views, the fact that I won't have to expense Diesel etc. anymore is great.

Chatted with the other half tonight. We have agreed that the next car has to be full EV, and that we will buy within 3 years. There was talk from the other half about a compromise on Hybrid etc. but to be honest, I just cannot see the benefit for the amount and type of driving we do.

Mach Two · 14-01-2019 1:15am

CramCycle wrote: »

True, but unfortunately, they won't help you if someone rear ends you. Regrettably, as is my experience on the M50 and on most roads around. If you leave enough space for safe breaking and reaction, someone will move into it when traffic is busy. regrettably, I don't think what your looking for will help in these scenarios either.

When everyone has some sort of adaptive cruise control maybe rear ending cars will become a thing of the past. I think the Toyota adaptive cruise control will not work below a certain speed. I was hoping that the Toyota adaptive cruise control would stop you if you were to come too close to the car in front even if you were only moving at a slow speed of 5 km or 10 km/hr.

AlanD · 15-01-2019 10:52pm

I'm surprised at how little real world reviews are out their for the new rav4. I know it's new, but there are no owner experiences and no reviews.

All I need is real world fuel economy.

CptMackey · 15-01-2019 11:09pm

AlanD wrote: »

I'm surprised at how little real world reviews are out their for the new rav4. I know it's new, but there are no owner experiences and no reviews.

All I need is real world fuel economy.

Drove one today. Lovely drive but I couldn't find anything either. Hardly a review either only a few bad ones from the states on YouTube

carsfan2 · 16-01-2019 10:53pm

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/rav4/105711/new-toyota-rav4-2019-review

Loomis · 17-01-2019 1:03pm

Mach Two wrote: »

I don't particularly want to buy a new one. Too expensive. And my existing car is on the way out. I was hoping to get something about 2 yrs old. Is it not possible to tow something with the existing hybrid.

I've a deposit down on the new model which should be ready soon, so Toyota in Sandyford will have my trade in for sale if that's of any interest.
It's a 171 Luna Sport Hybrid.

AlanD wrote: »

I'm surprised at how little real world reviews are out their for the new rav4. I know it's new, but there are no owner experiences and no reviews.

All I need is real world fuel economy.

The two dealers I spoke with said supply if very limited (at least here anyway); they'd only be getting 3 initially, and then no more til April or possibly the summer. Not sure what the reason is for it though.

kennethsmyth · 17-01-2019 1:16pm

Nope, older hybrid not type approved, if you can find it you can put a towbar on it but essentially your insurance is considered invalid due to an illegal modification of the car, you will still have third party insurance but the insurance company can come after you for the costs. Obviously this is only if you have an incident. Additionally the nct tests towbars and electrics of towbars now so not sure if they will be aware of type approval or not for your vehicle.

CramCycle · 17-01-2019 1:44pm

kennethsmyth wrote: »

Nope, older hybrid not type approved, if you can find it you can put a towbar on it but essentially your insurance is considered invalid due to an illegal modification of the car, you will still have third party insurance but the insurance company can come after you for the costs. Obviously this is only if you have an incident. Additionally the nct tests towbars and electrics of towbars now so not sure if they will be aware of type approval or not for your vehicle.

I got caught out by that at the NCT, (Rav4 Petrol, not Hybrid) water ingress in my tow bar socket meant the power fluctuated. It still operated but the power was not steady. I never use it so removed the socket and and tow bar, instead of paying for a retest.

Shefwedfan · 17-01-2019 8:36pm

Loomis wrote: »

I've a deposit down on the new model which should be ready soon, so Toyota in Sandyford will have my trade in for sale if that's of any interest.
It's a 171 Luna Sport Hybrid.

The two dealers I spoke with said supply if very limited (at least here anyway); they'd only be getting 3 initially, and then no more til April or possibly the summer. Not sure what the reason is for it though.

What mileage on the 171? 2 wheel drive?

I would guess the UK are getting first dips on the new RAV. With the move towards petrol/hybrid in UK I would guess demand is high.

Loomis · 18-01-2019 12:21am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What mileage on the 171? 2 wheel drive?

I would guess the UK are getting first dips on the new RAV. With the move towards petrol/hybrid in UK I would guess demand is high.

Don't have the exact figure in my head - think it's about 18k. Can double check for you, but it's definitely under 20k. And ye, 2 wheel drive.
It was the demo model so had a couple of extras on top of the Luna Sport model; full leather interior and heated seats.

Soarer · 18-01-2019 12:26am

Is this one of those Toyota Self Charging Hybrids?

Teeley · 18-01-2019 12:35am

astrofluff wrote: »

I think people have a misconception of how to use EV on a Toyota Hybrid. The battery and electric motor is to compliment the petrol engine, by moving the car without having to excessively rev/stop-start the engine. The EV function is more for moving the car a very short distance without the use of a petrol engine - e.g. you have you car parked in an underground car park, and you want to move it without using petrol (stealth mode ), or sitting in traffic to creep along, this function is so helpful with it being an automatic, and the computer decides what to use, battery or ICE, or both.

Sure, you're not going to get more than 1km from EV mode. I wouldn't be driving it like that using up the battery power, then needing to regen/recharge with the petrol engine. I could see the battery health being impact by a persons driving style. If you want the best economic way of moving around, use the ECO mode.

What happens in the ECO mode? I drive a Rav 4 at the weekends..always wondered what that mode was for. Thanks

Mach Two · 19-01-2019 9:46pm

What is the car tax on a Rav 4 hybrid compared to a fully electric/petrol engine hybrid.

Shefwedfan · 19-01-2019 10:03pm

Loomis wrote: »

Don't have the exact figure in my head - think it's about 18k. Can double check for you, but it's definitely under 20k. And ye, 2 wheel drive.
It was the demo model so had a couple of extras on top of the Luna Sport model; full leather interior and heated seats.

What of ltr/100km you get out of it?

Loomis · 21-01-2019 8:38am

Mach Two wrote: »

What is the car tax on a Rav 4 hybrid compared to a fully electric/petrol engine hybrid.

It was about 200 to tax my 171.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What of ltr/100km you get out of it?

Not something I've tracked to be honest.

Mach Two · 21-01-2019 8:45pm

Loomis wrote: »

It was about 200 to tax my 171

Is this a Rav 4 petrol hybrid.

Loomis · 22-01-2019 8:54am

Mach Two wrote: »

Loomis wrote: »

It was about 200 to tax my 171

Is this a Rav 4 petrol hybrid.

It is.

80sDiesel · 22-01-2019 11:04am

Loomis wrote: »

I've a deposit down on the new model which should be ready soon, so Toyota in Sandyford will have my trade in for sale if that's of any interest.
It's a 171 Luna Sport Hybrid.

The two dealers I spoke with said supply if very limited (at least here anyway); they'd only be getting 3 initially, and then no more til April or possibly the summer. Not sure what the reason is for it though.

Did you go for the sport model ? I saw a pic of a one in 'silver blade'(colour) and looked the biz.

Loomis · 22-01-2019 11:20am

80sDiesel wrote: »

Did you go for the sport model ? I saw a pic of a one in 'silver blade'(colour) and looked the biz.

Current one is Luna Sport. One I've ordered is standard Luna.
For the new model, they've switched Sol and Luna Sport models; Sport now being higher.
We did a comparison between what I have and the new Sol, and it's practically the same. Lost leather (which was only added cause it was a demo anyway) and something else I wasn't too fussed about.
Car's been in the country over a week and still waiting on Revenue to get their finger out before it can be registered so I can get my hands on it.

Mach Two · 22-01-2019 3:19pm

Loomis wrote: »

Current one is Luna Sport. One I've ordered is standard Luna.
For the new model, they've switched Sol and Luna Sport models; Sport now being higher.
We did a comparison between what I have and the new Sol, and it's practically the same. Lost leather (which was only added cause it was a demo anyway) and something else I wasn't too fussed about.
Car's been in the country over a week and still waiting on Revenue to get their finger out before it can be registered so I can get my hands on it.

Congratulations on your purchase. Hope everything goes well for you.

bp_me · 22-01-2019 3:37pm

Teeley wrote: »

What happens in the ECO mode? I drive a Rav 4 at the weekends..always wondered what that mode was for. Thanks

Turns down throttle response and reduces the air conditioning a bit.

Charlie-Bravo · 22-01-2019 4:00pm

Loomis wrote: »

Current one is Luna Sport. One I've ordered is standard Luna.
For the new model, they've switched Sol and Luna Sport models; Sport now being higher.

That's surprising, I would have thought that all Toyotas using the Terra-Aura-Strata-Luna-Sol version made the Sol the highest. But I see they call it just 'Sport' on their website - which makes me think there'll subtle differences between the Sol and Sport. One might have something the other doesn't, and vice versa, kinda like the two top Lexus (F-Sport and Premium).

Now I know the Camry has Sol and Platinum - which blows my earth to sun analogy out of the water.

Loomis · 22-01-2019 4:29pm

astrofluff wrote: »

That's surprising, I would have thought that all Toyotas using the Terra-Aura-Strata-Luna-Sol version made the Sol the highest. But I see they call it just 'Sport' on their website - which makes me think there'll subtle differences between the Sol and Sport. One might have something the other doesn't, and vice versa, kinda like the two top Lexus (F-Sport and Premium).

Now I know the Camry has Sol and Platinum - which blows my earth to sun analogy out of the water.

Sales guy was saying it was more of a marketing thing where the name 'Sport' could put off some people at the lower end thinking they don't need it and would opt for a different grade, and people who did want 'sport' were put off that it was lower down the pecking order.
So they basically took what Sol was and have included a few bits and stamped it with 'Sport'.

Charlie-Bravo · 22-01-2019 4:32pm

Very cool - any idea what the extra bits entail. I always like trying to get the best trim, I have two UK Excel trims for the Auris and Prius.

80sDiesel · 22-01-2019 4:59pm

From what i read the Sport has gloss black cladding ( side/rear/front) instead of normal black and side mirrors in gloss black rather than in the
car colour. Also has a black gloss roof. Black Alloys.

Shefwedfan · 22-01-2019 5:22pm

Spec and pricing attached

scooby77 · 22-01-2019 6:58pm

AWD drive ( extra rear electric motor) gets good reviews for improved road holding. Been told should be here for 192. Based on those prices say will be pricey. My guess €45k

Shefwedfan · 22-01-2019 7:30pm

scooby77 wrote: »

AWD drive ( extra rear electric motor) gets good reviews for improved road holding. Been told should be here for 192. Based on those prices say will be pricey. My guess €45k

Your MPG will suffer because of AWD.....

Mach Two · 22-01-2019 11:53pm

Loomis wrote: »

Current one is Luna Sport. One I've ordered is standard Luna.
For the new model, they've switched Sol and Luna Sport models; Sport now being higher.
We did a comparison between what I have and the new Sol, and it's practically the same. Lost leather (which was only added cause it was a demo anyway) and something else I wasn't too fussed about.
Car's been in the country over a week and still waiting on Revenue to get their finger out before it can be registered so I can get my hands on it.

Let us how you get on with mpg and the general running of it please. It would be much appreciated.

roosterman71 · 23-01-2019 9:42am

Can someone explain the need for a 2.5l engine in these things?

zilog_jones · 23-01-2019 9:51am

Why not? If it can be made efficient while providing adequate power, why does displacement matter? Gone are the days when we were buying pathetically underpowered cars because we were being taxed on engine size.

roosterman71 · 23-01-2019 10:56am

zilog_jones wrote: »

Why not? If it can be made efficient while providing adequate power, why does displacement matter? Gone are the days when we were buying pathetically underpowered cars because we were being taxed on engine size.

Sure why not put in a 5l then? The consumption is much higher with a 2.5l than a smaller engine. My question, maybe badly phrased, was to do with the need for a 2.5 or would a smaller turbo'd engine be better suited?

CramCycle · 23-01-2019 10:57am

zilog_jones wrote: »

Why not? If it can be made efficient while providing adequate power, why does displacement matter? Gone are the days when we were buying pathetically underpowered cars because we were being taxed on engine size.

My current car is 2.4L, it has less emissions than my previous 1.6L and appears to be equally economical.

zilog_jones · 23-01-2019 11:26am

roosterman71 wrote: »

Sure why not put in a 5l then? The consumption is much higher with a 2.5l than a smaller engine.

Fuel consumption is not necessarily directly proportional to engine displacement. It's an Atkinson cycle engine, which is more efficient than a traditional Otto cycle petrol engine, but has lower power density. You're not adding significant weight with say a 2.0 vs. 2.5 4-cylinder aluminium block engine. A 5 litre engine is probably going to be a V8, which will be huge in comparison.

My question, maybe badly phrased, was to do with the need for a 2.5 or would a smaller turbo'd engine be better suited?

I don't think turbos are well suited to the duty cycle of petrol hybrids, as oil temperature and oil pressure are more critical for reliable operation of a turbocharger. It'd be another thing to go wrong - the current Toyota hybrids generally do not go wrong.

ELM327 · 23-01-2019 12:26pm

I'm still waiting for my dream hybrid.
A 5.9litre 6 cylinder cummins diesel with a plugin hybrid and a 80kWh+ battery pack.

Allowing for cheap running but the ability to roll coal when needed.

Come on toyota, you have a deal with Cummins in the US for the Tundra!

Katie9 · 24-01-2019 12:36am

Hi folks, hoping to test drive Rav4 Hybrid this month. Which trim seems to be the best package? I drive 320 mile round trip weekly, mainly motorway and primary roads, with less city/town driving. Am I correct in assuming that the battery-powered driving cycle will only kick in during town/city driving, that I won't see eco-benefit on motorways? ðŸ˜€

roosterman71 · 24-01-2019 9:26am

Katie9 wrote: »

Hi folks, hoping to test drive Rav4 Hybrid this month. Which trim seems to be the best package? I drive 320 mile round trip weekly, mainly motorway and primary roads, with less city/town driving. Am I correct in assuming that the battery-powered driving cycle will only kick in during town/city driving, that I won't see eco-benefit on motorways? &#55357;&#56832;

Our CH-R is on full battery below 30kph. Out on the national roads, and more so on the motorway it's on the engine 100%

Charlie-Bravo · 24-01-2019 10:15am

Engine stops when off throttle such as slowing down (regens the battery) or when going down hills might only use the battery when accelerator is pressed (you'll know when the EV light comes on).

zilog_jones · 24-01-2019 10:38am

Katie9 wrote: »

Am I correct in assuming that the battery-powered driving cycle will only kick in during town/city driving, that I won't see eco-benefit on motorways? &#55357;&#56832;

No, it's not as simple as that. It's a series-parallel hybrid, so the electric motors and petrol engine can either work together at the same time or independently of each other. The Atkinson cycle engine is not very powerful on its own (but very efficient), so the electric motors are there to provide assistance when needed.

And there's still regenerative braking at any speed (to an extent).

AlanD · 24-01-2019 3:13pm

roosterman71 wrote: »

Our CH-R is on full battery below 30kph. Out on the national roads, and more so on the motorway it's on the engine 100%

What mpg or l/100km are you averaging?

zilog_jones · 24-01-2019 3:30pm

Average here over 367 C-HR users is 5.35 l/100km (53 MPG): https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/49-Toyota/1563-C-HR.html?fueltype=2&minkm=2000&sort=3&powerunit=2

bp_me · 24-01-2019 3:36pm

Mine (CHR) is doing 5.7l/100km over past 15k km. Thats about 1/3 motorway (including 2500km of continental motorway) driven at or close to posted rather than indicated limited. Remainder is made up of mostly short hops around town where the engine would never warm up probably with a few longer (10-20km) routes on average once a week.

Thats an improvement on the auris that did 6.4 lifetime over 58k km.

roosterman71 · 24-01-2019 3:37pm

AlanD wrote: »

What mpg or l/100km are you averaging?

Only have it a few weeks. Last tank averaged 5.8l/km

AlanD · 24-01-2019 4:00pm

5.7 l/100km is what I am averaging in a Mazda 3 2.2 diesel. With a nice mix of driving. A lot of just around town, but about 1000km p/m motorway. I feel I would struggle to get that in a hybrid.

Although I did drive the RAV4 and really liked it.

Mach Two · 24-01-2019 5:04pm

Anybody know of the electricity consumption per 100 km in an all electric vehicle.

zilog_jones · 24-01-2019 5:15pm

Around 15-20 kWh/100km is typical, I think.

I'm getting about 16 kWh/100km in EV mode in my Prius Plug-in, though that mode only operates at speeds up to 85 km/h.

Mach Two · 24-01-2019 7:20pm

zilog_jones wrote: »

Around 15-20 kWh/100km is typical, I think.

I'm getting about 16 kWh/100km in EV mode in my Prius Plug-in, though that mode only operates at speeds up to 85 km/h.

How do you like the Prius Plug-in. That is 53 mph. I drive a lot on country roads. Does it not work on electric only. Can you put a tow bar on it.

zilog_jones · 25-01-2019 12:15pm

I like it, as the short range suits my commute. There's only about 6 in the country so I'm probably in the minority though (1st gen Plug-in from 2012-2016 wasn't sold in Ireland).

Does what not work on electric only? If you're in EV mode, and go over 85 km/h, the engine kicks in.

It's not approved for towing, but there's a tow bar available for a bike rack. The 4th generation standard Prius (2016 onwards) can tow, but not the new Plug-in version.

Mach Two · 25-01-2019 3:16pm

zilog_jones wrote: »

I like it, as the short range suits my commute. There's only about 6 in the country so I'm probably in the minority though (1st gen Plug-in from 2012-2016 wasn't sold in Ireland).

Does what not work on electric only? If you're in EV mode, and go over 85 km/h, the engine kicks in.

It's not approved for towing, but there's a tow bar available for a bike rack. The 4th generation standard Prius (2016 onwards) can tow, but not the new Plug-in version.

How do you mean by the "4th generation standard Prius". What is meant by standard.

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