Mens Rights Thread

creditcarder · 27-02-2020 7:16pm

Eh, just to let everybody know I have a bit of interest in teh gender thing and not all of my posts are actually complaints per se, but this kind of is.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/28/yes-yes-yes-are-we-on-the-brink-of-a-revolution-in-sex-toys

1) I doubt this would be written so positively about avn or male sex toys

2) The thought of 'realistic' (Probably not realistic due to gender beliefs) sex ed games for 7 year olds is verging on selling porn to minors imo.

3) VR for consent. Is that if there is a power/age imbalance or the woman says yes but didn't make 2.5 seconds of eye contact ? :P

iptba · 04-03-2020 1:45am

One of the 2 promoted items in the daily bulletin from the LinkedIn app today, for what it is worth:
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/news/women-at-the-top-increase-profits-4514003/

Women at the top increase profits
By Cayla Dengate, Editor at LinkedIn
Updated 21 hours ago

Companies with more female board members have been shown to be more profitable. The Macquarie Business School research https://lighthouse.mq.edu.au/article/january-2020/Do-women-make-better-CEOs-than-men looked at companies listed on the US-based S&P500 Index from 2000 to 2015 and found companies with at least three female board members were more profitable than the average, with a higher return on assets and better market performance. Researcher Dr Farida Akhtar also looked at female CEOs and found they made more prudent decisions https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/careers/do-women-make-better-ceos-20200211-p53znx , including agreeing to fewer merger and acquisitions and making efforts to “reduce unrest within internal corporate governance”.

I doubt it would have been promoted with a different type of result. Also, if female CEOs tend to make different decisions to male CEOs, are all these differences positive?

How much data dredging is going on with inconvenient data being ignored/not published?

iptba · 08-03-2020 2:33am

TORONTO -- The age-old bias that suggests “boys don’t cry” is unconsciously perpetuated by mothers more than fathers, according to new research from the University of Guelph.

The study, published in the Canadian Journal of Behavioral Science, found that moms tend to favour girls expressing emotions of sadness and anger over boys. Fathers, on the other hand, lacked a bias towards emotions of anger and sadness in their children.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/boys-don-t-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons-1.4693208

iptba · 12-03-2020 3:34am

Original Article Open Access
Becoming a Female‐Breadwinner Household in Australia: Changes in Relationship Satisfaction
Niels Blom Belinda Hewitt
First published:26 December 2019 https://doi.org/10.1111/jomf.12653
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Abstract
Objective
This study longitudinally investigated the associations between becoming a female‐breadwinner household and changes in relationship satisfaction for men and women.

Background
Female‐breadwinner households pose a fundamental challenge to gender norms, particularly in countries such as Australia with a strong male breadwinner culture. Despite an increase in their prevalence, the implications for relationship satisfaction is understudied. Hypotheses were formulated based on specialization, relative resource, role collaboration, and doing gender theories.

Method
A total of 17 waves of the Household, Income and Labour Dynamics in Australia household panel survey (76,866 observations, 11,986 people) and fixed effects models were used to study the associations between changes in breadwinner arrangements and relationship satisfaction. Building on previous research our breadwinner typology combined employment and income differences between partners, differentiating single earners from dual earners.

Results
Both men and women became less satisfied when they transitioned to dual‐earner households where women out‐earned their partners. Becoming a female‐breadwinner household due to male unemployment or illness decreased relationship satisfaction for women. Respondents were most satisfied when they were in male‐breadwinner, female‐homemaker households. For women, but not men, gender role attitudes influenced some of these associations.

Conclusion
The results extend our understanding of the consequences of the increasing prevalence of female‐breadwinner households and suggest that they may be contributing to lower relationship quality and stability.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jomf.12653

iptba · 13-03-2020 11:19pm

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

March 4, 5
International Women's Day

March 5, 8
#IWD20

March 6, 7
#InternationalWomenDay2020

March 8
#InternationalWomensDay

Random articles. I don't recall seeing similar articles about men for International Men's Day:

From Greta Thunberg to Mary Robinson, women globally are giving leadership to the climate crisis – the defining issue of our time. To mark International Women's Day, Helen O'Callaghan talks to five women in Ireland, playing key roles in raising awareness about the urgent need to take action.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/world-in-their-hands-five-women-who-want-us-to-take-action-on-climate-change-986129.html

To mark #IWD2020 five trailblazers reflect on what we can do to create a more equal society
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/to-mark-iwd2020-five-trailblazers-reflect-on-what-we-can-do-to-create-a-more-equal-society-985244.html

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/1235105194708525057?s=20
"And women challenge things in a very different way to the way men do, and I think women are very much more open to asking what sometimes as what can sometimes be is perceived as the idiot question,
as in, "I don't understand that, can you run it by me again?" Or "has anybody thought about? "There are less stereotyped that way, whereas men tend to be much more reluctant to ask those type of questions."
So yet again people are claiming there are differences between men and women when it suits, and saying women are better in some way but often then saying there are no differences between men and women.

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/Postvox/status/1235883000405143555?s=20

#FemPower2020
https://twitter.com/madaz_wacho/status/1236247493903609856
https://twitter.com/UCCFemSoc/status/1236279372602126336

#girlpower

#CantSeeCantBe
@20x20_ie
20×20 asks all sections of Irish society to #ShowYourStripes and pledge to champion women in sport through: Promotion/Attendance/Participation #CantSeeCantBe

#SeriousSupport
Also for females playing sports

#AGRIAWAREIWD
Agri Aware
@AgriAware
Independent agri-food educational body - educating the Irish public on the importance of the agri-food industry since 1996.
Find us on FB & Insta
@AgriAware

#MeToo

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I didn't see this one trending, but it's another event focused on women:
Tipperary County Council said all libraries were closed until April and that the remainder of its MnáMonth events would have to be rescheduled to a later date

iptba · 16-03-2020 3:07am

2010 paper. I like studies like this where empirical findings of gender differences are sought

ABSTRACT
Do Employers Discriminate by Gender?
A Field Experiment in Female-Dominated Occupations*

We test for gender discrimination by sending fake CVs to apply for entry-level jobs. Female candidates are more likely to receive a callback, with the difference being largest in occupations that are more female-dominated

https://imgur.com/a/icc78JF
http://ftp.iza.org/dp4690.pdf

Die Hard 2019 · 16-03-2020 3:16am

This thread is an example of the unequal treatment of mens issues and not mens issues
In the Christian forum if you say "your for is a concept that was invisaged by goat herders 2000 years ago" you will be punished and banned
In the teachers forum if you similarly state "teachers seem to be trying to protect their holidays while they should be protecting their students " it will not go well
But here men who complained about unequal treatment are questioned by agenda driven people and it's allowed .

I don't think shutting down debate is a good practice but I do see the difference.

Calhoun · 16-03-2020 5:27am

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

This thread is an example of the unequal treatment of mens issues and not mens issues
In the Christian forum if you say "your for is a concept that was invisaged by goat herders 2000 years ago" you will be punished and banned
In the teachers forum if you similarly state "teachers seem to be trying to protect their holidays while they should be protecting their students " it will not go well
But here men who complained about unequal treatment are questioned by agenda driven people and it's allowed .

I don't think shutting down debate is a good practice but I do see the difference.

Why should we want an echo chamber? I don't know about the other forums but i feel we are better than that. We should be challenged and i have personally seen the mods step in when people are obviously trolling.

If you have issues please take them up with the mods though.

the_pen_turner · 16-03-2020 10:04am

Die Hard 2019 wrote: »

This thread is an example of the unequal treatment of mens issues and not mens issues
In the Christian forum if you say "your for is a concept that was invisaged by goat herders 2000 years ago" you will be punished and banned
In the teachers forum if you similarly state "teachers seem to be trying to protect their holidays while they should be protecting their students " it will not go well
But here men who complained about unequal treatment are questioned by agenda driven people and it's allowed .

I don't think shutting down debate is a good practice but I do see the difference.

everyone needs to be chalanged on their beliefs and claims that they make. letting the femanist side run riot and say what they like without being challanged is what has created a lot of the discrimination and bias towards men.
most of the posters here are open to debate and that is healthy..

16-03-2020 10:17am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

e are open to debate and that is healthy..

That's the point. debate. Not being told what to believe/think. There's a trend reappearing to demand conversion to certain lines of logic. When you resist that demand, then you're being unreasonable.

It's one of the reasons conflict rears up so often on this subject. Women tend to lean towards the more emotional perceptions of reality, whereas men tend to need logical steps to follow. Which is why there is such an echo chamber on these subjects rather than true debate. There are many women who can, and do, engage in logical debate over issues, but they're a minority, because emotional perceptions expect/demand acceptance. Male perceptions lean towards being proven over steps which means that ideas can be taken apart at any stage. So, many women who seek to debate with men will make a statement based on their emotional understanding, expect that it be accepted without discussion, and get frustrated when the men seek to take the logic apart so that they can really understand her pov.

It's probably one of the reasons why feminism has been so successful, whereas Men's rights movements tend to stagger.

iptba · 17-03-2020 3:01am

https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1238208382542233601

Padraig Mor · 18-03-2020 2:04pm

iptba wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1238208382542233601

Last I saw, there were more men than women contracting it most days in Ireland anyway - but nah, it's women who are being disproportionately being affected of course.....:rolleyes:

FishOnABike · 18-03-2020 2:24pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Last I saw, there were more men than women contracting it most days in Ireland anyway - but nah, it's women who are being disproportionately being affected of course.....:rolleyes:

You know the saying "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth". Much of modern western feminism is built on that foundation.

Sonic_exyouth · 20-03-2020 12:06pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Last I saw, there were more men than women contracting it most days in Ireland anyway - but nah, it's women who are being disproportionately being affected of course.....:rolleyes:

I think the issue is the increase in domestic violence, and decrease in services - not the number of cases per se.

20-03-2020 12:12pm

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

I think the issue is the increase in domestic violence, and decrease in services - not the number of cases per se.

Yes, but there's an assumption being played here, driving an agenda. Statistically women are as likely to engage in or initiate DV. Or that women are capable of violence/abuse towards children. And yet, the notice is directed towards women being the victim.

If there was any real intention of seeking equality, then it would have been a suggestion of more patience for both genders.. but that wouldn't fit the agenda being driven.

iptba · 21-03-2020 2:19am

Not the most annoying thing I've come across on Tumblr, but this has been shared and/or liked by over 80,000 people in less than 2 months.

https://speakintosilence.tumblr.com/post/190623951148

capstellium

male anger is so..... disgusting......

capstellium

like stop throwing **** and slamming doors and just go to therapy..... it’s not cute to make women around you afraid bc you’re mad about something......

Source: capstellium
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iptba · 26-03-2020 2:31am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Last I saw, there were more men than women contracting it most days in Ireland anyway - but nah, it's women who are being disproportionately being affected of course.....:rolleyes:

A politician from Australia:

https://twitter.com/MehreenFaruqi/status/1242713728048455680
It's a popular tweet, though quite a number of people are also challenging it in replies.

I also came across some articles along those lines, also.

Padraig Mor · 26-03-2020 11:00am

iptba wrote: »

A politician from Australia:

I also came across some articles along those lines, also.

Do these people ever stop?

The facts (Ireland):

FishOnABike · 26-03-2020 12:03pm

It's an argument on the same level as women suffered more in war because men were conscripted and sent to the frontline to be killed.

For a movement that proports to be all about equality, modern western feminism seems to be pretty one sided. Don't it's proponents believe in equal equality?

Silentcorner · 26-03-2020 2:19pm

We are in an unprecedented global pandemic and the selfish morans are still at it.

The Irish one's were doing the media rounds going about about vulnerable women in Domestic Violence situations....which would be noble if they didn't completely ignore the men in the same situations...which as we know is extremely deliberate....funding for these professional feminists should be first on the chopping block.

This wave of feminism is getting more and more odious.

It will be interesting how many firms keep entertaining people with Diversity/Equality agendas as they scramble to survive a global downturn.

26-03-2020 3:15pm

FishOnABike wrote: »

It's an argument on the same level as women suffered more in war because men were conscripted and sent to the frontline to be killed.

For a movement that proports to be all about equality, modern western feminism seems to be pretty one sided. Don't it's proponents believe in equal equality?

Selective equality... with the ability to test equality under a trial basis, and when that fails to appeal, keep the brand name (equality), but change the content. It's all in the TOS but the tiniest writing in the universe.

Equality no longer means actual equality. Look at the equality organisations for the EU or UN. The vast majority of their initiatives are aimed at women, but also aimed at women in many areas where they've already reached parity.

Silentcorner · 26-03-2020 4:16pm

There was an article in Spectator Australia, it is behind a paywall, on this....it goes through the gender differences in death by county.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/03/greens-spread-the-virulent-virus-of-gender-wars/?fbclid=IwAR3jjh7bToa0H7WHm6mxdyahwOrTQHZGEuXtz2afuaxOSESb6c_INp0g95I

The last line was fairly damning if I can recall correctly..."These horrible individuals get greedy as we bury men"

It seems to completely pass her by that every other crisis sees men in the front line...you know, doing their jobs.

H3llR4iser · 31-03-2020 8:13pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

There was an article in Spectator Australia, it is behind a paywall, on this....it goes through the gender differences in death by county.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/03/greens-spread-the-virulent-virus-of-gender-wars/?fbclid=IwAR3jjh7bToa0H7WHm6mxdyahwOrTQHZGEuXtz2afuaxOSESb6c_INp0g95I

The last line was fairly damning if I can recall correctly..."These horrible individuals get greedy as we bury men"

It seems to completely pass her by that every other crisis sees men in the front line...you know, doing their jobs.

It's actually also forgetting one small detail - yeah, most nurses and hospital cleaning staff are women, as well as probably more than half of the doctors. Possibly supermarket staff too.

However, pretty much all of the other services working right now employ an overwhelmingly male workforce - rubbish collection, street cleaning, deliveries, rescue, fire brigade, police, army...I suppose they don't count.

iptba · 31-03-2020 8:56pm

Overall (pre-Covid-19)
"Men 23 times more likely to die in the workplace than women" - SHP Online
https://www.arcoservices.co.uk/news/blog-article/-men-23-times-more-likely-to-die-in-the-workplace-than-women----shp-online

These are figures for the UK. I don’t think the data is available in Ireland. When I looked into it, the health safety body had detailed descriptions of the circumstances of deaths but didn’t publish the gender breakdown but the deaths were generally in areas where the vast majority of workers were male.

The same health body did publish data on low level sickness and injury at work where the gender difference wasn’t so noticeable. I’m suspicious the gender breakdown for deaths wasn’t convenient for some.

iptba · 06-04-2020 3:31am

A mother has told a court that she is denying her ex-partner access to their son because she is protecting the boy and her family from coronavirus.

The couple are estranged and live in separate homes a number of miles away from each other in Co. Clare.

The father hasn’t seen his 12-year old son since March 4 and solicitor for the father, Frank Doherty, stated that his client has been denied access on 13 separate dates in March in breach of a court order in place for access to the child.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/i-am-protecting-my-child-mother-denies-ex-partner-access-to-son-due-to-coronavirus-court-hears-992043.html

iptba · 14-04-2020 1:40pm

A female Facebook friend of mine just posted this online:

What Do Countries With The Best Coronavirus Responses Have In Common? Women Leaders
https://www.forbes.com/sites/avivahwittenbergcox/2020/04/13/what-do-countries-with-the-best-coronavirus-reponses-have-in-common-women-leaders/

Sometimes we hear that there is no difference between men and women;
Other times we hear that women are better than men in some way;
However, anyone mentioning the third option (men are better than women) will probably be told to look at option 1.

I doubt very much that Forbes would have published this with the genders reversed i.e.
"What Do Countries With The Best Coronavirus Responses Have In Common? Male Leaders"
Also, I've seen some commentary on Twitter that it isn't quite as simple as the article suggests.

masculinist · 14-04-2020 2:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, but there's an assumption being played here, driving an agenda. Statistically women are as likely to engage in or initiate DV. Or that women are capable of violence/abuse towards children. And yet, the notice is directed towards women being the victim.

If there was any real intention of seeking equality, then it would have been a suggestion of more patience for both genders.. but that wouldn't fit the agenda being driven.

Even the misandrist BBC hints at the reality from time to time but doesn't mention the champions at DV who are female couples.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29994648

"
"One of our startling findings was that rates of domestic violence among same-sex couples is pretty consistently higher than for opposite sex couples," says Richard Carroll, a psychologist and co-author of the report."

The article then goes on to turn being a minority into a mitigating excuse...

Silentcorner · 14-04-2020 2:29pm

Imagine how it must feel, to be an empowered feminist who has invested their identity to the cause of Domestic Violence in the belief it is part of "patriarchial oppression" only to gradually learn that lesbians are the most prolific offenders....

masculinist · 14-04-2020 2:50pm

Eventually theres so much of it that its impossible to ignore

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8216713/Police-warn-huge-rise-women-committing-Cinderella-abuse.html

"Cases of 'Cinderella' abuse by sisters and stepsisters have risen dramatically with attacks by women on family members rising twice as fast as those by men."

iptba · 27-04-2020 4:47pm

Be safe? Don't be seen... Why women self-censor, and who benefits?
For so many women, there is still tension between being safe and being seen; being visible, and being a target - for unwanted attention, invasive comments, even abuse. Liadan Hynes talks to four Irish women about their experiences of walking a difficult line, and why the corona crisis may be making it worse

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/be-safe-dont-be-seen-why-women-self-censor-and-who-benefits-39144571.html

I haven't read this closely, but skimming down it, it looks like a long article largely complaining about men; we would rarely if ever see similar types of articles complaining about women in the national media.

Huntergonzo · 27-04-2020 9:44pm

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/be-safe-dont-be-seen-why-women-self-censor-and-who-benefits-39144571.html

I haven't read this closely, but skimming down it, it looks like a long article largely complaining about men; we would rarely if ever see similar types of articles complaining about women in the national media.

I got as far as "micro-aggressions" and stopped. Loony lefty lingo like that is usually a great indication that reading any further is a complete waste of your time.

Ps, it seems in the media that sports news is for men, whereas anything got to do with the universal condemnation of having a penis (but particularly a white penis) is for women.

Cake for everybody :-)

Silentcorner · 27-04-2020 10:08pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I got as far as "micro-aggressions" and stopped. Loony lefty lingo like that is usually a great indication that reading any further is a complete waste of your time.

Ps, it seems in the media that sports news is for men, whereas anything got to do with the universal condemnation of having a penis (but particularly a white penis) is for women.

Cake for everybody :-)

These articles treat women like they are infants or have special needs....I wonder what this will do to a woman's mental health in the long term...it can't be healthy!!!

iptba · 30-04-2020 12:47am

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/kathy-sheridan-crisis-is-exposing-clay-feet-of-strong-men-pathetic-churchillian-wannabes-1.4240199

Kathy Sheridan: Crisis is exposing clay feet of strong men, pathetic Churchillian wannabes

Almost every reckless decision ever can be traced to someone persuaded he was a brilliant maverick

[..]

Every crisis is defined by the quality of its leadership. This one is swiftly and deftly exposing the clay underpinnings of the world’s strong men and pathetic Churchillian wannabes. The hubris, machismo, casual bigotry and naked electioneering on the back of mass tragedy cannot compete on the same podium as the consensus-builders, the experts, the decisive, prudent, patient, resolute and respectful. It’s hardly controversial to note that some of the most effective corona crisis leaders have been women – Angela Merkel of Germany, Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan, Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand, Erna Solberg of Norway, Katrin Jakobsdottir of Iceland. And Silveria Jacobs of the Caribbean nation of Sint Maarten, whose no-nonsense, no-loophole, April 1st video went viral: “Simply. Stop. Moving. If you do not have the type of bread you like in your house, eat crackers. If you do not have bread, eat cereal, eat oats, sardines.” An RTÉ Prime Time clip of intensive care physician Dr Catherine Motherway has captured over a million views on Twitter alone.

I think it's unlikely the Irish Times would have ran this story with the genders reversed, i.e.

<male columnist>: Crisis is exposing clay feet of strong women pathetic Churchillian wannabes

Almost every reckless decision ever can be traced to someone persuaded she was a brilliant maverick

[..]

Every crisis is defined by the quality of its leadership. This one is swiftly and deftly exposing the clay underpinnings of the world’s strong women and pathetic Churchillian wannabes. The hubris, machismo, casual bigotry and naked electioneering on the back of mass tragedy cannot compete on the same podium as the consensus-builders, the experts, the decisive, prudent, patient, resolute and respectful. It’s hardly controversial to note that some of the most effective corona crisis leaders have been men – X of Germany, Y of Taiwan, Z of New Zealand, A of Norway, Bof Iceland. And <man> of the Caribbean nation of Sint Maarten, whose no-nonsense, no-loophole, April 1st video went viral: “Simply. Stop. Moving. If you do not have the type of bread you like in your house, eat crackers. If you do not have bread, eat cereal, eat oats, sardines.” An RTÉ Prime Time clip of intensive care physician <man >has captured over a million views on Twitter alone.

iptba · 02-05-2020 7:22pm

(More men's issues than men's rights)

Why You Stand Side-by-Side or Face-to-Face
The secret science of posture and position.
Posted Apr 27, 2014

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/he-speaks-she-speaks/201404/why-you-stand-side-side-or-face-face

Argues that women prefer to talk face-to-face, while men prefer to talk side-by-side.

These are very broad generalities, but could have an element of truth to them.

02-05-2020 8:04pm

iptba wrote: »

(More men's issues than men's rights)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/he-speaks-she-speaks/201404/why-you-stand-side-side-or-face-face

Argues that women prefer to talk face-to-face, while men prefer to talk side-by-side.

These are very broad generalities, but could have an element of truth to them.

It's rubbish, because many women will stand slightly to the side, because it protects their breasts, just as men will stand slightly to the side, because it protects their privates. Typically those standing face-to-face are either doing it as a sign of trust, or a challenge, which is why so many people will stand facing with their arms across their chests.

Body language is incredibly unreliable as a guide to human behavior, and thoughts. There are just too many variables. Culture, personal experiences, subconscious and conscious thoughts, environmental concerns, etc. It was a useful guide, a hundred years ago when people didn't travel beyond their local areas, and populations were generally of the same cultural group, but even then, sub-cultures could blow it all out of wack.

Body language is promoted because it provides easy answers to things people don't want to prove, or because they can't prove it.

2u2me · 03-05-2020 12:14am

Silentcorner wrote: »

These articles treat women like they are infants or have special needs....I wonder what this will do to a woman's mental health in the long term...it can't be healthy!!!

You can't have your cake and eat it too as much as they persist in trying.

Turns out the US women's soccer team had rejected a bonus based deal that the men had taken so their suit for equal pay got thrown out of court.

The women's team also rejected a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) where they would have the same pay structure as the men's team in favor of a different CBA, Klausner wrote.
The women's CBA guarantees that players will be compensated regardless of whether they play a match or not, while the men's CBA calls for players to be paid if they are called into camp to play and then participate in a match, according to the summary judgment.
Klausner wrote that the women were asking for a court to conclude that the women were paid less than men because had the women been paid under the men's CBA, they would have earned more than they did under their own CBA.
"This approach — merely comparing what each team would have made under the other team's CBA — is untenable in this case because it ignores the reality that the MNT and WNT bargained for different agreements which reflect different preferences, and that the WNT explicitly rejected the terms they now seek to retroactively impose on themselves," Klausner wrote.

https://twitter.com/mPinoe/status/1256373201283809281

Silentcorner · 03-05-2020 11:18pm

Lads...we are oppressing them when we run.....apparently.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/manspreading-running-social-distancing-jogging-men-coronavirus-a9491926.html

These women are headbangers.....

04-05-2020 12:34am

Silentcorner wrote: »

Lads...we are oppressing them when we run.....apparently.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/manspreading-running-social-distancing-jogging-men-coronavirus-a9491926.html

These women are headbangers.....

I've come to the realisation that it's about domination. Pushing males into a corner where women can rule over them, because everything that males do (even when doing exactly the same as women) is seen as negative, and somehow has an impact on women.

It's beyond retarded, but it's going to continue growing as long as males ignore it or dismiss it as being the realms of nutcases. Manspreading has made it into public consciousness and even has been debated as becoming part of city ordances in various cities or states. Thankfully, it's been dismissed so far, but it's only a matter of time before it's brought in.... as it becomes more acceptable/normal to consider.

I'm not talking about a grand conspiracy, although there are likely feminist groups in communication with each other about how to bring about their utopian society.. God knows, Feminists are often quite organised about protests or other activities, so it's hardly a stretch of imagination to see them coordinating certain ideas to become more mainstream, and acceptable.

Makes me feel glad that I decided to live in Asia, where this nonsense isn't tolerated.

Silentcorner · 04-05-2020 11:13am

Deleted User wrote: »

I've come to the realisation that it's about domination. Pushing males into a corner where women can rule over them, because everything that males do (even when doing exactly the same as women) is seen as negative, and somehow has an impact on women.

It's beyond retarded, but it's going to continue growing as long as males ignore it or dismiss it as being the realms of nutcases. Manspreading has made it into public consciousness and even has been debated as becoming part of city ordances in various cities or states. Thankfully, it's been dismissed so far, but it's only a matter of time before it's brought in.... as it becomes more acceptable/normal to consider.

I'm not talking about a grand conspiracy, although there are likely feminist groups in communication with each other about how to bring about their utopian society.. God knows, Feminists are often quite organised about protests or other activities, so it's hardly a stretch of imagination to see them coordinating certain ideas to become more mainstream, and acceptable.

Makes me feel glad that I decided to live in Asia, where this nonsense isn't tolerated.

The man hating credentials of modern day feminism cannot be denied...you'll find, most vocal feminists are projecting anger which at a personal level is very unhealthy.

The problem for the ideology is that it is intellectually shallow and rooted in dishonesty, a 15 year old who is handy at google could take it apart...so as more and more of us get exposed to it, more and more of us will reject it.

Remember, politicans and media are way behind the general consensus which is one reason why feminists cannot get traction in elections, the media industry that embrace it are merely exposing what was believed all along about feminists, they hate men and or male culture.

Feminism has overplayed its hand, the commercial and political entities that have allowed it into their organisations will pay the price....it's already happening.

One eyed Jack · 04-05-2020 12:23pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

it's going to continue growing as long as males ignore it or dismiss it as being the realms of nutcases.

I think the opposite to be honest. It’s not growing, simply because people, both men and women, refuse to entertain it, and dismiss it out of hand for the complete nonsense it is. That’s why it’s not really seen in Asia, but in Western media it’s a small handful of people churning out 90% of the content and making a good living for themselves out of doing so. When I read that piece, I’m contributing to it by feeding them, giving an opinion on it when I can see they’re only trolling and looking for a reaction. Giving them any attention is just giving them what they want. That’s why most people simply aren’t bothered or interested - they have more important concerns to be prioritising rather than entertaining complete nonsense.

2u2me · 04-05-2020 3:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I've come to the realisation that it's about domination. Pushing males into a corner where women can rule over them, because everything that males do (even when doing exactly the same as women) is seen as negative, and somehow has an impact on women.

In 1993 Naomi Wolf's "In Fire with Fire", a New York Times notable book and national bestseller, Wolf called for a new approach to address shortcomings she perceived in the feminist movement. Power is presented as the only solution.
It is a disgusting idea that has taken root and is why so many feminists are trying to take unearned positions of power and make power plays.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not talking about a grand conspiracy, although there are likely feminist groups in communication with each other about how to bring about their utopian society.. God knows, Feminists are often quite organised about protests or other activities, so it's hardly a stretch of imagination to see them coordinating certain ideas to become more mainstream, and acceptable.

Makes me feel glad that I decided to live in Asia, where this nonsense isn't tolerated.

It has taken quite a hold in India, but interesting point. Why has it not taken a hold in China? Is it because of lack of representation or are they not allowed to coordinate in some way or is material banned from publication/distribution?

04-05-2020 8:45pm

2u2me wrote: »

It has taken quite a hold in India, but interesting point. Why has it not taken a hold in China? Is it because of lack of representation or are they not allowed to coordinate in some way or is material banned from publication/distribution?

Well, regarding China, it would be for a number of reasons.

You already find women working in almost every field. There's already women working in bin collection, construction (menial work same as the men), etc. In just about every aspect of Chinese society, you will find women working alongside men. There is a serious difference in authority when you look at management or other leadership roles, where women are often just used as a screen, with real authority being elsewhere. However, there doesn't tend to be the coddling that happens in Western nations. There is a degree of equality in China already... it's just pretty brutal to both genders.

Secondly, I suspect that feminism tends to find support in richer countries where women have more time and resources to organise. In a poorer country, tradition, and the basic needs of survival, take precedence over feminist "ideals". The difference being that in China, any successful woman will have gained her success due to family, guanxi1(relationships/favors), and by permission of the males in her circle. They know that, and don't want to lose that position... equality would mean genuine competition with other men.. a level playing field.

Third, History. The few times that women have reached the same levels of power as men, they've apparently abused that power. So, there's a certain stigma against women in positions of power over men. You'll find very rich women, and women who are the genuine owners of companies, but there's still very much a structure that binds their behavior.

Fourth, interest. There's little actual interest in changing the status quo. Most women I know, and have spoken to about these things (rich and poor) like their place in their society. They don't want to have to sacrifice a family lifestyle and need to work the long hours as the men do.. (a generalisation though.. since for the poor/uneducated, everyone needs to work hard) and the men do work very long hours to achieve a measure of success. You might be born into the right family, but most people don't have that kind of influence or power. Being a male in China brings a lot of pressure.. there are benefits, but I honestly wouldn't want to be a Chinese man living in China... not due to the government but due to the culture. If a woman is even remotely attractive, she has a lot of influence in deciding her fate, whereas a man won't.

There are groups of feminists in China. I encounter them a lot in Universities, but their ideas are very shallow. And when queried, they're not ready to give up any of the advantages they have, in order to gain genuine equality. There's quite a few Chinese women who have studied in the States who return with feminist notions... but that tends to disappear once they get married, and reality sets in.

H3llR4iser · 05-05-2020 8:54pm

Been really out of the loop lately, turns out working from home means you basically work twice or thrice what you normally do. Still, don't miss the morning DART squeeze in the least.

Deleted User wrote: »

I've come to the realisation that it's about domination. Pushing males into a corner where women can rule over them,

Or should be, "where SOME women can rule over them" - I can't shake the feeling this is all transforming into an agenda where a small elite is basically creating and riding a wave of public opinion to gain power.

Not that we've ever seen that in history...

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, regarding China, it would be for a number of reasons.

You already find women working in almost every field.

The good old Communism equality - the same that sent a non insignificant amount of Russian women to the front as pilots and tank operators during WWII. You do any job you're qualified for, regardless of what set of genitalia you're equipped with.

Deleted User wrote: »

Secondly, I suspect that feminism tends to find support in richer countries where women have more time and resources to organise. In a poorer country, tradition, and the basic needs of survival, take precedence over feminist "ideals".

This could indeed be the subject of a hundred sociology books - case in point, again WWII era, the USA: women picked up all the dirty, dangerous, physically intensive jobs usually done by men, when the latter were sent to war. Nobody complained about it. Actually, they did absolutely fine at these tasks, as it's to be expected (industrial machinery or a wrench don't care about the set of genitalia in possession of whomever handle them).

Then, as the economy improved, they all abandoned these jobs again. To this day, I believe pretty much in the whole western society, finding a woman working as a mechanic, rubbish collector, construction, in a mine...is almost impossible.

08-05-2020 10:04am

It looks like they are going to cancel the leaving cert and award predictive grades. This will likely widen the gap between girls and boys. Boys are much more likely to be late crammers.

iptba · 08-05-2020 4:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It looks like they are going to cancel the leaving cert and award predictive grades. This will likely widen the gap between girls and boys. Boys are much more likely to be late crammers.

That reminded me of another issue:

Teachers 'give higher marks to girls'
By Sean Coughlan
Education correspondent

An OECD report on gender in education, across more than 60 countries, found that girls receive higher marks compared with boys of the same ability.

Researchers suggest girls are better behaved in class and this influences how teachers perceive their work.

Differences in school results can sometimes "have little to do with ability", says the study.

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672

H3llR4iser · 09-05-2020 3:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It looks like they are going to cancel the leaving cert and award predictive grades. This will likely widen the gap between girls and boys. Boys are much more likely to be late crammers.

Well, I was the latest of the late crammers and to be honest, it's not exactly something to be proud of

It's has given me the ability to deliver under pressure later in life 'though, I'll give you that :eek:

iptba wrote: »

That reminded me of another issue:

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672

Yeah, used to happen back when I was in school too - and it was the 1980s.

mr_fegelien · 10-05-2020 2:44am

I don't know if anyone has realized this but it seems that female on male violence is prevalent in television shows and movies moreso than male or female violence. The former seems to be viewed in a comical way.

I've never seen that to be the case with male on female violence. The rare times it's shown on TV, it is usually about an overall domestic abuse.

I don't want to be petty but does anyone think it's kind of sad that writers condone this type of violence?

py2006 · 10-05-2020 12:56pm

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I don't know if anyone has realized this but it seems that female on male violence is prevalent in television shows and movies moreso than male or female violence. The former seems to be viewed in a comical way.

I've never seen that to be the case with male on female violence. The rare times it's shown on TV, it is usually about an overall domestic abuse.

I don't want to be petty but does anyone think it's kind of sad that writers condone this type of violence?

I've said this before on here. If you watch any soap opera. Men are either stupid or abusers/murderers.

While most men aren't bothered by this, its the double standard when we hear complaints about how women are portrayed.

Also, I have seen scenes in Corrie etc where female characters belittle (suggestively) the size and or lack of performance of the male characters genitalia. Then of course we have the perfectly acceptable hitting/slapping of men.

iptba · 13-05-2020 3:31pm

Irish Examiner:

Women will be the ‘collateral damage’ of Covid-19 crisis, warns employment expert
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/women-will-be-the-collateral-damage-of-covid-19-crisis-warns-employment-expert-999178.html

I've no major observations on this except that I imagine a neutral observer might also find ways that men are badly affected. For example, if a man is unemployed, he is more likely to be divorced than a woman

Unemployment Can Spell Divorce for Men, But Not Women
https://www.livescience.com/14705-husbands-employment-threatens-marriage.html

And there is a lot of unemployment now and it's likely to continue to some extent.

And according to this survey, a man who doesn't have a steady job could find it more difficult than a woman to find a partner

New Survey Sheds Light On What People Really Want In A Spouse
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pew-low-marriage-rates_n_5878662?guccounter=1

2u2me · 13-05-2020 11:24pm

iptba wrote: »

I've no major observations on this except that I imagine a neutral observer might also find ways that men are badly affected.

The examiner might be highlighting the ways women are more indirectly affected by this virus, but aren't men dying at a higher rate than women directly from the virus? Although I'd agree with you, surely we are affected nearly equally indirectly.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/11/coronavirus-covid-19-death-rates-higher-in-men-doing-low-skilled-professions-says-ons

"Nearly two-thirds of the deaths were men compared to women, echoing other countries' statistics on the disease."

(from the UK)

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