Micheal D Higgins dog, Síoda, has passed away. RIP Síoda.

borderlinemeath · 25-09-2020 10:22am

topper75 wrote: »

Naive - a fine charge to lay against me. You are the one upset that a politician's dog died

I own a dog. Of course when he goes (he ain't great right now) I'll be upset. Which makes sense. It is my dog. The only people who can mourn that Bernese with any authenticity are Higgins, his family, and staff who would see the dog. For everybody else - it is just fake emotion. Nothing more.

We seem to be cursed with this fake emotion phenomenon in the 21st century with the demand for 24 hour news and people following celebrities as though they were some kind of distant friends. It began with Princess Diana dying. Thousand of Brits lining the streets, crying, laying flowers at the gate of the palace. We looked across and laughed - what are they at? And how we chuckled at the DPRK and they all bawling in the street at losing their Dear Leader. Behind our laughter was horror - horror that people could be manipulated to that degree. We were grounded.

You seem to be missing a little emotion called empathy. That's where people are understanding and compassionate with Michael D and Co for their loss. Nothing "fake" about it. Although sociopaths will have difficulty with it. Funny how you tend to use the word "fake" a lot, just like another infamous sociopath.

Yet, here are some people on an Irish forum upset that a politician's pet died. For real. Unless you are all trolling. In which case I doff my hat. You caught me. It would probably be the better outcome.

Do you know there's an Animals & Pets Issues forum here? There's a thread in it for departed pets, with over 150 pages of posts, and over 300,000 views. That's a lot of people showing sympathy for dogs/cats/rats/budgies/hamsters that they have never met, but understand the emotional turmoil that the owners are going through. Or maybe they're all trolling too?

Antares35 · 25-09-2020 10:29am

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0925/1167374-hero-rat-awarded-gold-medal-for-lifesaving-bravery/

rapul · 25-09-2020 10:32am

This cruel world.

R. I. P you dog

yosser hughes · 25-09-2020 10:53am

whisky_galore wrote: »

What about Hitler's dog?

Blondi I believe. Hitler got more upset over animals suffering than humans. Stalin was the same. A few posters here seem to have that in common with them.
Michael D is of course a fellow traveller of Stalin.
The 'useful idiot' was the term used back in the day.

borderlinemeath · 25-09-2020 12:35pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

Blondi I believe. Hitler got more upset over animals suffering than humans. Stalin was the same. A few posters here seem to have that in common with them.
Michael D is of course a fellow traveller of Stalin.
The 'useful idiot' was the term used back in the day.

I wouldn't say he was upset. He did kill her with cyanide too. He loved Blondi because she was very obedient, and GSDs resembled wolves and it seems he was particularly fond of those, even going so far as to have people call him "Wolf" . There's a book on how the Nazis used animals and classified them, rather than showed any empathy towards them. Hermann Goerings lionesses were for "power and prestige" but regular cats were not tolerated.

"Sometimes they served as models, sometimes as images of the enemy, sometimes they were just a means to an end," says Jan Mohnhaupt, author of the book Tiere im Nationalsozialismus (Animals in National Socialism) that also recounts the story of the Buchenwald zoo. "Anyone who wants to learn about the arbitrariness and contradictions of the Nazi regime should not ignore the animals."

https://www.dw.com/en/hitlers-dogs-g%C3%B6rings-lions-how-the-nazis-used-and-abused-animals/a-53698708

anewme · 25-09-2020 12:58pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

Blondi I believe. Hitler got more upset over animals suffering than humans. Stalin was the same. A few posters here seem to have that in common with them.

Again, sweeping generalisations and judgements of others.

How do you know people here get more upset about humans suffering than animals?

Maybe lay off trying to sneer at others and take a look at yourself and what you are projecting.

Graces7 · 25-09-2020 1:45pm

topper75 wrote: »

Naive - a fine charge to lay against me. You are the one upset that a politician's dog died

I own a dog. Of course when he goes (he ain't great right now) I'll be upset. Which makes sense. It is my dog. The only people who can mourn that Bernese with any authenticity are Higgins, his family, and staff who would see the dog. For everybody else - it is just fake emotion. Nothing more.

Yet, here are some people on an Irish forum upset that a politician's pet died. For real. Unless you are all trolling. In which case I doff my hat. You caught me. It would probably be the better outcome.

No; it is empathy. It reminds us of the pain we felt on losing OUR dog or cat. Far from fake. All too real. Dogs give unconditional love. A rare thing... My own dog is in my heart today.

On a side note; news item today on rte online re a rat that has just been awarded a gold medal for being able to detect land mines... Cannot post link.

anewme · 25-09-2020 1:50pm

Graces7 wrote: »

No; it is empathy. It reminds us of the pain we felt on losing OUR dog or cat. Far from fake. All too real. Dogs give unconditional love. A rare thing... My own dog is in my heart today.

On a side note; news item today on rte online re a rat that has just been awarded a gold medal for being able to detect land mines... Cannot post link.

You'd have to feel sorry for someone who labels love for a pet as fake emotion. It is their loss definitely.

Post about the rat already posted - link in post 108.

Thelonious Monk · 25-09-2020 3:49pm

I do think they're going way overboard with the murals etc regarding this dog. Looked like a beautiful dog but it's annoying for people who would like to see animal welfare improved and an end to factory farming, seeing people gushing over this dead dog while having no problem eating pork products made in horrific conditions (which is pretty much all Irish pork!).

topper75 · 25-09-2020 3:58pm

anewme wrote: »

You'd have to feel sorry for someone who labels love for a pet as fake emotion. ...

Literally nobody claimed that here. You are making a strawman argument. The fakeness is pretend sadness at somebody else's pet that you did not know.
Fake emotion is right there amongst psycho traits:
https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2015/03/psychopaths-mimic-emotions-very-accurately-brock-study/

anewme · 25-09-2020 4:46pm

topper75 wrote: »

Literally nobody claimed that here. You are making a strawman argument. The fakeness is pretend sadness at somebody else's pet that you did not know.
Fake emotion is right there amongst psycho traits:
https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2015/03/psychopaths-mimic-emotions-very-accurately-brock-study/

What you call fake, others call empathy.

Who are you to tell people they are faking and pretending?

I dont think the people here who can empathise with others are the ones at risk of being psychos somehow...

Deebles McBeebles · 25-09-2020 5:35pm

topper75 wrote: »

Literally nobody claimed that here. You are making a strawman argument. The fakeness is pretend sadness at somebody else's pet that you did not know.
Fake emotion is right there amongst psycho traits:
https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2015/03/psychopaths-mimic-emotions-very-accurately-brock-study/

I don't think you're seeing that people can feel actual emotion for a dog they never met. Just like you can feel actual emotion for a person you've never met. I'm not lying awake at night, crying my eyes out, but I feel bad for the Prez and his madra.

Also, I didn't know I had so much in common with psychos, Hitler and Stalin until this thread. You live, you learn. Now, I'm off to annex Roscommon with my faithful dogs, Rommel and Goebbels.

ohnonotgmail · 25-09-2020 5:57pm

Antares35 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0925/1167374-hero-rat-awarded-gold-medal-for-lifesaving-bravery/

it only works 30 minutes a day and they give it a medal. where is my medal?

Necro · 25-09-2020 6:13pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

Blondi I believe. Hitler got more upset over animals suffering than humans. Stalin was the same. A few posters here seem to have that in common with them.
Michael D is of course a fellow traveller of Stalin.
The 'useful idiot' was the term used back in the day.

Mod:

Don't post in this thread again.

whisky_galore · 25-09-2020 7:03pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I do think they're going way overboard with the murals etc regarding this dog. Looked like a beautiful dog but it's annoying for people who would like to see animal welfare improved and an end to factory farming, seeing people gushing over this dead dog while having no problem eating pork products made in horrific conditions (which is pretty much all Irish pork!).

Now all I want is a rasher sandwich...

Antares35 · 26-09-2020 1:20am

topper75 wrote: »

Literally nobody claimed that here. You are making a strawman argument. The fakeness is pretend sadness at somebody else's pet that you did not know.
Fake emotion is right there amongst psycho traits:
https://brocku.ca/brock-news/2015/03/psychopaths-mimic-emotions-very-accurately-brock-study/

Except nobody is pretending to be sad either. They are empathising. That's not the same thing.

Antares35 · 26-09-2020 1:23am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I do think they're going way overboard with the murals etc regarding this dog. Looked like a beautiful dog but it's annoying for people who would like to see animal welfare improved and an end to factory farming, seeing people gushing over this dead dog while having no problem eating pork products made in horrific conditions (which is pretty much all Irish pork!).

This is a good point. I remember a few years ago there was outrage when some looney deliberately ran his lawnmower over a duck and her chicks. Presumably many of those outraged consume battery eggs (or any I suppose) which industry shreds live male chicks because they are deemed useless.

topper75 · 26-09-2020 10:09am

Antares35 wrote: »

Except nobody is pretending to be sad either. They are empathising. That's not the same thing.

Yeah I don't think that clears the problem. Following this line, the presidential limo doesn't start some frosty morning; will they run a story on that in the national broadcaster?

Come on - we've all been there with our own jalopies looking for neighbours to push us down the road. We can empathise right?

anewme · 26-09-2020 11:34am

topper75 wrote: »

Yeah I don't think that clears the problem. Following this line, the presidential limo doesn't start some frosty morning; will they run a story on that in the national broadcaster?

Come on - we've all been there with our own jalopies looking for neighbours to push us down the road. We can empathise right?

Ah would you stop being deliberately obtuse.

Is it any wonder some people prefer the company of dogs, lol.

Antares35 · 26-09-2020 4:33pm

anewme wrote: »

Ah would you stop being deliberately obtuse.

Is it any wonder some people prefer the company of dogs, lol.

I know! I can't even keep up with the mental gymnastics.

Thelonious Monk · 26-09-2020 5:20pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Now all I want is a rasher sandwich...

lol, that is SO funny, brilliant!

borderlinemeath · 26-09-2020 8:54pm

To those with low EQ this is nothing more than "FAKE NEWS"!

To anybody that owns a pet, it's heartbreaking to watch. He doesn't even own the dog.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/90-year-old-neighbour-gives-emotional-farewell-to-labrador-pal-39564334.html?fbclid=IwAR0T81VybYB4mtTc3s3JfgtdFHPtYkvjOBDCllGZU4fYhYXA2GMC0DrqBBU

topper75 · 26-09-2020 9:39pm

borderlinemeath wrote: »

To those with low EQ this is nothing more than "FAKE NEWS"!

To anybody that owns a pet, it's heartbreaking to watch. He doesn't even own the dog.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/90-year-old-neighbour-gives-emotional-farewell-to-labrador-pal-39564334.html?fbclid=IwAR0T81VybYB4mtTc3s3JfgtdFHPtYkvjOBDCllGZU4fYhYXA2GMC0DrqBBU

Boost the bass and cut the treble.

26-09-2020 9:48pm

RobertKK wrote: »

It is sad for the Higgins household, but it shouldn't be national news.

Except for empathy with all citizens who had pet bereavements. Pet-lovers can know even the President feels such loss acutely, and they are not exceptional. A lot of pet owners are elderly or gave only their key as a companion, so it is very helpful.

Micheal D Higgins dog, Síoda, has passed away. RIP Síoda.

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