Milk Price III

farmertipp · 24-09-2020 10:28pm

straight wrote: »

If only. If one is not happy, then switch. I wouldn't take no for an answer anyway.

there is a gentlemans agreement there to stop you. indeed you have to give notice of a yr or 2 to leave. thus far the effort is to effect change. some way to go as some channels need to be explored.
the catalyst is the inexplicable failure to rise the August price so only getting going

farmertipp · 24-09-2020 10:32pm

One question ,not a criticisin you seem to have lots of issues with dairygold ,do u go to meetings ,ask questions ??,have u ever tried to get a position on a dairygold rep committee or board ???theres a huge problem with lads remaining on boards for years and for most part because no one will run against them or put there name forward[/quote]
l know this is not directed at me but
I find alot of the most vocal are no help when it comes down to it. i have served on committee.

Water John · 24-09-2020 10:35pm

Hindsight is an exact science and some are applying it here. An Arrabawn board member wanted to open negotiations of a merger/takeover by DG. Nobody else agreed, he left and took some 20 suppliers with him. DG would have taken any supplier willing to move at the time. DG for once in its life wasn't going to respect the Gentlemans Agreement, which they had often invoked.

DG have todays prize, the wooden spoon.

MOO they closed a store (Muskerry) which should have had the trade of Mod Cork. Most people instead choose to over the hill to Bandon.

mahoney_j · 24-09-2020 10:50pm

Water John wrote: »

Hindsight is an exact science and some are applying it here. An Arrabawn board member wanted to open negotiations of a merger/takeover by DG. Nobody else agreed, he left and took some 20 suppliers with him. DG would have taken any supplier willing to move at the time. DG for once in its life wasn't going to respect the Gentlemans Agreement, which they had often invoked.

DG have todays prize, the wooden spoon.

MOO they closed a store (Muskerry) which should have had the trade of Mod Cork. Most people instead choose to over the hill to Bandon.

Dairygold is still a fundamentally stronger coop than arrabawn have u seen our yearly accounts last 2 years and kpmg audited figures at year end show us consistently on bottom steps of the ladder

Fyi tgere was a bit more than one board member pushing for this anyway old news we are where we are now option of switching not really there atm

farmertipp · 24-09-2020 10:55pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Dairygold is still a fundamentally stronger coop than arrabawn '

They will continue to get fundamentally stronger if they are at bottom of the class in price all the time

farmerrichie · 24-09-2020 10:56pm

In the past I did serve one the dairygold outer board committee. The 'tea drinking committee' according to Ned o keeffe, found it a total waste of time and very frustrating. No bother in getting on these committees anymore,most of the time nobody wants to go on them... a total waste of time . Unusual to see dairygold lover Jack Kennedy turning on them

Mooooo · 24-09-2020 10:58pm

Water John wrote: »

Hindsight is an exact science and some are applying it here. An Arrabawn board member wanted to open negotiations of a merger/takeover by DG. Nobody else agreed, he left and took some 20 suppliers with him. DG would have taken any supplier willing to move at the time. DG for once in its life wasn't going to respect the Gentlemans Agreement, which they had often invoked.

DG have todays prize, the wooden spoon.

MOO they closed a store (Muskerry) which should have had the trade of Mod Cork. Most people instead choose to over the hill to Bandon.

That's the store I'm on about, Barrett Agri and bandon cleaning up. Easier to go to coppeen/ bandon/ eniskeane than killumney or coachford

Water John · 24-09-2020 10:58pm

That's what they said about the economy in 2008, 'the fundamentals are sound'.

Wildsurfer · 25-09-2020 9:38am

farmerrichie wrote: »

In the past I did serve one the dairygold outer board committee. The 'tea drinking committee' according to Ned o keeffe, found it a total waste of time and very frustrating. No bother in getting on these committees anymore,most of the time nobody wants to go on them... a total waste of time . Unusual to see dairygold lover Jack Kennedy turning on them

From the guys I know of on the board, they are famers who have reared families, well established farms, other income sources, spouse wage or pension etc and thinking about retirement in not too distant future themselves. Now who we need on the board are the farmers who have heavily invested in their farms, have families who have years of education to be paid for and are dependent on milk price to make ends meet, but where are they going to find the time to put on a shirt and tie and spend all day in meetings!

straight · 25-09-2020 10:07am

You should be able to switch Co-ops. I thought once you find someone to take you, you could just switch away. Finish with one in December. Start in january with new CO-OP. Tell them to stick their gentleman's agreement where the sun doesn't shine. What are we all paying Icmsa, IFA for if this is the case. Where else do gentleman's agreements exist?

jaymla627 · 25-09-2020 10:13am

straight wrote: »

You should be able to switch Co-ops. I thought once you find someone to take you, you could just switch away. Finish with one in December. Start in january with new CO-OP. Tell them to stick their gentleman's agreement where the sun doesn't shine. What are we all paying Icmsa, IFA for if this is the case. Where else do gentleman's agreements exist?

Bar stathroy if your in leinster, arrabawn our Lakeland wont take on a glanbia supplier, I tried for nine months to move and had no msa signed at the time so was free to move and after initial calls to the correct people in the co-ops they initially fobbed us off and then just stopped answering the phone

straight · 25-09-2020 11:22am

jaymla627 wrote: »

Bar stathroy if your in leinster, arrabawn our Lakeland wont take on a glanbia supplier, I tried for nine months to move and had no msa signed at the time so was free to move and after initial calls to the correct people in the co-ops they initially fobbed us off and then just stopped answering the phone

Surely that is evidence of a CARTEL. What did IFA/ICMSA say about it

alps · 25-09-2020 12:20pm

straight wrote: »

I thought once you find someone to take you, you could just switch away. Finish with one in December. Start in january with new CO-OP.

If Carlsberg did Coops..

alps · 25-09-2020 12:27pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

Bar stathroy if your in leinster, arrabawn our Lakeland wont take on a glanbia supplier, I tried for nine months to move and had no msa signed at the time so was free to move and after initial calls to the correct people in the co-ops they initially fobbed us off and then just stopped answering the phone

The door slipped open for just a very short period, while the disagreement happened. ICOS stepped in pretty fast to pull the warning factions apart and made them agree on the principal that a coop could ot take a supplier from another coop until a signed MSA had expired, a supplier had paid all debts to the coop, and supplier worked out 3 months notice period....not unreasonable.

The gentleman's agreement ended up being a gentleman's threat...

If you take 1 of our customers, we'll take 2 of yours back...

Doors closed..

alps · 25-09-2020 12:31pm

Alarmingly....

A new entrant in Duhallow (taking over from parents) wanted to begin supplying Arrabawn, but Dairygold objected as his parents had a signed MSA. Afaik, the young lad had to supply Dairygold.

jaymla627 · 25-09-2020 12:48pm

alps wrote: »

Alarmingly....

A new entrant in Duhallow (taking over from parents) wanted to begin supplying Arrabawn, but Dairygold objected as his parents had a signed MSA. Afaik, the young lad had to supply Dairygold.

Glanbia have the same clause in their msa, but if challenged in a court I cant see how a third parties rights even if related can be signed away by another person with no consent, the flipside is the likes of glanbia seem to portray it's a massive burden to shift the extra supply the last few years why are they then so hellbent on tying in suppliers and the next generation into supplying them

RightTurnClyde · 25-09-2020 12:52pm

If the IFA discuss beef prices with factories the CCPC are all over them. Yet see no issues with MSAs and gentlemen's agreements between coops.
I've said it before, the MSA was the greatest con job ever pulled on irish dairy farmers. After 30 yrs of pampering because of quotas, dairy farmers lazily signed up to these.

RightTurnClyde · 25-09-2020 1:01pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

Glanbia have the same clause in their msa, but if challenged in a court I cant see how a third parties rights even if related can be signed away by another person with no consent, the flipside is the likes of glanbia seem to portray it's a massive burden to shift the extra supply the last few years why are they then so hellbent on tying in suppliers and the next generation into supplying them

Because if they allow 1 go, all hell breaks loose.
We're in an area where there are 5 processors passing the gates. You should see the rule bending and hurdles jumped by processors to get a new entrant. Yet if you pick up the phone as a supplier of a different coop they'll hardly even answer.

Siamsa Sessions · 25-09-2020 2:14pm

I spoke to Glanbia as a potential new entrant supplier a few weeks and they would be happy to take me, the rep said.

I had planned to start with Glanbia but with the “spare wheel” of a switch to Arrabawn after 18-24 months if Glanbia were acting up too much. Their store near me is over priced compared to independent merchants.

It seems this spare wheel might not be the safety release I thought it would be! I might talk to Arrabawn now so before going any further with Glanbia.

But from what I gather there’s not much between them in terms of price or how they’re managed.

Having said that, there’s 3 lads around here who switched from Glanbia to Arrabawn in the last 2 years and they seem happy enough. And they were all with Glanbia for decades.

K.G. · 25-09-2020 2:56pm

straight wrote: »

You should be able to switch Co-ops. I thought once you find someone to take you, you could just switch away. Finish with one in December. Start in january with new CO-OP. Tell them to stick their gentleman's agreement where the sun doesn't shine. What are we all paying Icmsa, IFA for if this is the case. Where else do gentleman's agreements exist?

Just to say that carbery do not want transfers.on the whole transfer thing, its alot like looking at neighbouring farmer with a nice setup and saying we can do a swap .its up to you to fix your setup.this all goes back to coop ethos and why the coop s were set up

farmertipp · 25-09-2020 3:26pm

straight wrote: »

Surely that is evidence of a CARTEL. What did IFA/ICMSA say about it

cartel? where have I heard that before? beef

DukeCaboom · 25-09-2020 10:09pm

Water John wrote: »

They don't even have the excuse of others who say they have to look after the Co shareholders. In this case the suppliers are the shareholders.

I'd say the Lordans here would be far happier if rather than two plaques these boys had brought an extra cheque of €1,500 for their August milk which is what they'd have got supplying the Carbery plant down the road;

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/winners-of-dairygold-milk-quality-awards-announced/

You can literally see a farm in the background supplying Bandon Co op in that picture.

farmertipp · 26-09-2020 12:53pm

Wildsurfer wrote: »

From the guys I know of on the board, they are famers who have reared families, well established farms, other income sources, spouse wage or pension etc and thinking about retirement in not too distant future themselves. Now who we need on the board are the farmers who have heavily invested in their farms, have families who have years of education to be paid for and are dependent on milk price to make ends meet, but where are they going to find the time to put on a shirt and tie and spend all day

I agree 100 %. anyone that has expanded and needs the last cent will find it to get to meetings but they will have to make time. The committee demographic is not much better than board. if people want change they will have to be involved.
how dg board could look at the rises across the board for August and still leave dg price untouched is a disgrace and shows management are running rings around the dopes.

Mooooo · 26-09-2020 1:33pm

It's not black and white either. Dairygold hasn't the margin that other coops have/ may have. Management don't seem to be doing a massive amount to rectify that. Maybe the jarlsberg plant when up and running will help and I see there are a few changes at management level but results will have to be seen soon.

Water John · 26-09-2020 1:34pm

In DG any one who might rock the boat hardly gets on the Committee not to mind the Board, handpicked by management.

DG don't own the Jalsberg plant and AFAIK Tine have no tied contract to take milk from DG. You'd think from the press releases and management that DG own the plant.
Milk price thread here so won't go further.

alps · 26-09-2020 3:27pm

Water John wrote: »

In DG any one who might rock the boat hardly gets on the Committee not to mind the Board, handpicked by management.

DG don't own the Jalsberg plant and AFAIK Tine have no tied contract to take milk from DG. You'd think from the press releases and management that DG own the plant.
Milk price thread here so won't go further.

Interesting to tease out that ownership issue. Anyone got firm facts on this?

Water John · 26-09-2020 10:52pm

The original small plant was DG's but TMK the new plant is Tine owned and were a bit peeved with DG intimating to the public that it was their own. I am open to correction if anyone has alternative facts as I do not have first hand knowledge.

farmerrichie · 27-09-2020 1:48pm

Shur we were all of the opinion that dairygold more - less owned the Danone factory in Macroom, the only connection they have with them is that they supply them with milk, as does other co ops. Dairygold pay their PR firm to put a nice glossy spin with only a small % of the truth

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-10-2020 4:05pm

GDT up 2.2%, butter the star of the show, up 8.4%. All our major components up bar skim back marginally.

Mooooo · 06-10-2020 8:22pm

I see a share of farms in Scotland have had to sell cow's after getting notice from Muller. Swapping and changing unfortunately isn't a solution either

trixi2011 · 06-10-2020 8:52pm

Mooooo wrote: »

I see a share of farms in Scotland have had to sell cow's after getting notice from Muller. Swapping and changing unfortunately isn't a solution either

Think that has been in the pipeline for a while would be farmers based in the north east .

Injuryprone · 09-10-2020 7:20pm

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/arrabawn-to-lose-major-liquid-milk-contract/

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-10-2020 7:34pm

Injuryprone wrote: »

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/arrabawn-to-lose-major-liquid-milk-contract/

9 million litres contract lost is a big loss.

alps · 09-10-2020 7:45pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

9 million litres contract lost is a big loss.

Ooof...

Who's not in for a price rise this month??

whelan2 · 09-10-2020 7:57pm

Did arrabawn not get the contract a few years ago instead of glanbia or was that something else?

GrasstoMilk · 09-10-2020 8:36pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Did arrabawn not get the contract a few years ago instead of glanbia or was that something else?

Yeah they did it was only a yearly contract and the margin was tight as far as I know
It doesn't offer much security for glanbia to form a liquid milk scheme around

GrasstoMilk · 09-10-2020 8:38pm

John Murphy taking over from Martin Keane as chair of glanbia coop
Hopefully he can straighten the ship and get milk price and share price back on track

whelan2 · 09-10-2020 8:42pm

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

John Murphy taking over from Martin Keane as chair of glanbia coop
Hopefully he can straighten the ship and get milk price and share price back on track

Any update on the gain controversy? Went to order the offer of 10 mineral buckets with 2 free and they couldn't sell them to me or anyone...

alps · 09-10-2020 8:57pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Any update on the gain controversy? Went to order the offer of 10 mineral buckets with 2 free and they couldn't sell them to me or anyone...

Certified UFAS feed mills?? How come all inputs are not tested?

GrasstoMilk · 09-10-2020 9:00pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Any update on the gain controversy? Went to order the offer of 10 mineral buckets with 2 free and they couldn't sell them to me or anyone...

Havent heard any more on it
It's a fair mess, rumour has it came in a load of soya from south America
Supposed to test 300g in every 10t of straights, be alot of tests to be ran on a boat load of soya

alps · 09-10-2020 9:04pm

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Havent heard any more on it
It's a fair mess, rumour has it came in a load of soya from south America
Supposed to test 300g in every 10t of straights, be alot of tests to be ran on a boat load of soya

Who will be liable for the damage? Can that liability be passed back to the importer or the supplier or does the balance of responsibility pass to glanbia when they are supposed to test?

The loss to farmers will be fine....they'll suck it up..

But the horsey boys...**** me, they'll dig deep to fix the damaged.

jaymla627 · 09-10-2020 9:08pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Any update on the gain controversy? Went to order the offer of 10 mineral buckets with 2 free and they couldn't sell them to me or anyone...

On the journal that their is bagged cattle meal contaminated with it, was probably some soya in the licks potentially from the contaminated shipment of soya they supposedly got in, letter of the law any bovine animals that have consumed feed that has traces of the growth hormones in it, shouldn't be allowed to enter the food chain in Ireland, if a farmer was found doing it no matter how much ignorance he pleaded he would be in hot water

whelan2 · 09-10-2020 9:10pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

On the journal that their is bagged cattle meal contaminated with it, was probably some soya in the licks potentially from the contaminated shipment of soya they supposedly got in, letter of the law any bovine animals that have consumed feed that has traces of the growth hormones in it, shouldn't be allowed to enter the food chain in Ireland, if a farmer was found doing it no matter how much ignorance he pleaded he would be in hot water

I've bagged feed here from them :eek:

GrasstoMilk · 09-10-2020 9:20pm

alps wrote: »

Who will be liable for the damage? Can that liability be passed back to the importer or the supplier or does the balance of responsibility pass to glanbia when they are supposed to test?

The loss to farmers will be fine....they'll suck it up..

But the horsey boys...**** me, they'll dig deep to fix the damaged.

Buck stops with Gain I would imagine, they formulated the feed and imported the feed.

And it's not just a run of the mill horsey guy either, coolmore and ballydoyle wont let this lie
Has big ramifications for the horses they havent ran,

mahoney_j · 09-10-2020 9:32pm

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Yeah they did it was only a yearly contract and the margin was tight as far as I know
It doesn't offer much security for glanbia to form a liquid milk scheme around

Liquid market is pure cut throat very likely glanbia margin on this if any will be miniscual and they’ll loose it again on next tender surprises strathroy weren’t a bigger player there but the fact glanbia got it says enough .will be a major hit for Arrabawn ,9 million litre contract is pretty substantial on top of the Aldi contract we lost to strathroy and aurivo

GrasstoMilk · 09-10-2020 10:10pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Liquid market is pure cut throat very likely glanbia margin on this if any will be miniscual and they’ll loose it again on next tender surprises strathroy weren’t a bigger player there but the fact glanbia got it says enough .will be a major hit for Arrabawn ,9 million litre contract is pretty substantial on top of the Aldi contract we lost to strathroy and aurivo

Glanbia is only supplying it until a contract with a new supplier is formed
It's a big contract for sure but at 12 months and chopping and changing suppliers hardly offers much security on supplying it never mind at tight margins

trixi2011 · 10-10-2020 9:31am

Why are the supermarket like Tesco contracts not lucrative in Ireland ?in the UK farmers who supply Tesco get paid serious money for there milk at time it could be 10p + what other milk contracts are paying

tanko · 10-10-2020 10:47am

Sure wasn't it Tesco who coined the phrase "Treasure Ireland" because their profit margins are larger here than in other countries they operate in.

atlantic mist · 10-10-2020 2:41pm

tesco have plenty of room to do that here, they all do
there branded milk is 70c a litre vrs avonmore at 90c
when you check out the various price for milk on line its very cheap in comparison to cost, its hard to understand how coops branded milk sell vrs supermarket branded, nearly a fifth cheaper

whelan2 · 11-10-2020 2:13pm

Will we see a milk price increase this week?

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