Bookies Reopening

realdanbreen · 17-02-2021 2:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The bookies and the RP (who've been gouging their customers for years - last time I bought it was around Christmas, and it was €4.20 then :mad: ) should collaborate, and maybe each shop could print out the twenty or so pages that are relevant to Cheltenham - the Front page, the few pages towards the front that give the trainers' views, the racecard and form, and also that "signpost" (always look at that one) page, and hand them out to customers in the morning. It would be a nice gesture, and that way the punter/s could study the form (many probably aren't even online, or if they are, maybe don't know about 'Racing Sites'.. )

So, if the punter had access to just the Cheltenham form s/he could come back an hour or two later to get their bets on... They could also bet on anything else, if they so wished, but it would be a nice gesture to at least let them/us have the form for the "Greatest 4 days racing on earth"...

I wouldn't be surprised if we get an "eleventh hour" declaration from Micheal, or Leo stating there will be a temporary moraturium on the enforced betting shop closures; with certain restrictions still in place, granted. All for the 'brownie points' they'd get from the small amount of solace the punter would get from being able to indulge in his/her hobby...

Considering the outcry that followed last years gathering at Cheltenham I doubt very much if Michael or any politician for that matter will call for the bookies to open any time soon.

17-02-2021 2:28pm

SteM wrote: »

Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say for sure. Anecdotally I know that the last time they were allowed to open the shops that my friend manages had an issue with people staying in and it causing problems for the staff. The pubs that they would normally have gone to to watch the races were all shut.

I can guess who/what calibre of person was causing the staff problems.. I doubt it was Mick or Paddy who are retired / part time farmers, or Tom or John in on their day off from work.

Say, it was acceptable at the time to be allowed to stay in for half an hour, and the aforementioned Mick, Paddy, John, and Tom were already in there for half an hour; I don't think them fellas would have much of a problem if the clerk/manager said - "Right lads, another fifteen minutes and you'll have to leave.. I don't like these rules either, but shur what are we to do?"

I can only guess who was causing the cashiers/managers the most problems when it came to "overstaying" , and refusing to leave after an acceptable/allowable timeframe , but can't really say so here..

SteM · 17-02-2021 3:05pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can guess who/what calibre of person was causing the staff problems.. I doubt it was Mick or Paddy who are retired / part time farmers, or Tom or John in on their day off from work.

Say, it was acceptable at the time to be allowed to stay in for half an hour, and the aforementioned Mick, Paddy, John, and Tom were already in there for half an hour; I don't think them fellas would have much of a problem if the clerk/manager said - "Right lads, another fifteen minutes and you'll have to leave.. I don't like these rules either, but shur what are we to do?"

I can only guess who was causing the cashiers/managers the most problems when it came to "overstaying" , and refusing to leave after an acceptable/allowable timeframe , but can't really say so here..

Well there are no farms near the shops he manages so.....

realdanbreen · 17-02-2021 3:49pm

Just as an aside.
I hear stories of bookies closing online accounts if the punter is doing well.
Are you better off letting the winnings build up and then withdraw or withdraw small amounts as you go along.

okidoki987 · 17-02-2021 8:12pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

? Online specials are always better than shop 'specials'.

Not in my experience.
However would also depend on which bookie you are talking about.

okidoki987 · 17-02-2021 8:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The bookies and the RP (who've been gouging their customers for years - last time I bought it was around Christmas, and it was €4.20 then :mad: ) should collaborate, and maybe each shop could print out the twenty or so pages that are relevant to Cheltenham - the Front page, the few pages towards the front that give the trainers' views, the racecard and form, and also that "signpost" (always look at that one) page, and hand them out to customers in the morning. It would be a nice gesture, and that way the punter/s could study the form (many probably aren't even online, or if they are, maybe don't know about 'Racing Sites'.. )

So, if the punter had access to just the Cheltenham form s/he could come back an hour or two later to get their bets on... They could also bet on anything else, if they so wished, but it would be a nice gesture to at least let them/us have the form for the "Greatest 4 days racing on earth"...
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Ladbrokes do a little colour booklet (I'd guess at a big cost) which includes the same Cheltenham information and also a form guide for all the football matches on that night.
PP and Boyles do a printed handout with the form details for each race each day taken from the Racing Post, PP have form guides on the walls in digital form with a light behind to make it easier to read for punters.
There's no way the staff could print out one of those if each one was 20+ pages, the cost and the time taken to put them together would make it way too expensive.

okidoki987 · 17-02-2021 8:30pm

SteM wrote: »

Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say for sure. Anecdotally I know that the last time they were allowed to open the shops that my friend manages had an issue with people staying in and it causing problems for the staff.

During the last lockdown, there were loads of occasions where staff would just use the buzzer to let people in/out when the shop limit was reached.
Was a pain for people waiting to get in to have a bet with people in there playing roulette.

The pubs that they would normally have gone to to watch the races were all shut.

That problem is going to remain as pubs will be last to open.

hurleronditch · 17-02-2021 9:46pm

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Something like an ATM Terminal were you just walk up, put your money in and then put your bet on. You could collect there as well,

They have those inside the shops already, but i imagine several hundred sets of grubby punters hands touching the same screen and machine probably wouldnt pass muster, but you never know. i also think some old codger trying to line up a 10c superheinz and spending 20 minutes at the machine would be infuriating!!

17-02-2021 10:11pm

hurleronditch wrote: »

They have those inside the shops already, but i imagine several hundred sets of grubby punters hands touching the same screen and machine probably wouldnt pass muster, but you never know. i also think some old codger trying to line up a 10c superheinz and spending 20 minutes at the machine would be infuriating!!

Not very user-friendly them self-service terminals (or whatever they're called) in the bookies. I tried them once or twice, but gave up, as I couldn't figure the blasted things out.. I rarely ever seen any old codgers use them

madmax72 · 17-02-2021 10:30pm

Why can't the bookies just accept bets while controlling numbers and no live racing on the screens.That would stop the crowds during the big meetings.Itv are showing 6 live races a day for Cheltenham

realdanbreen · 17-02-2021 10:40pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Just as an aside.
I hear stories of bookies closing online accounts if the punter is doing well.
Are you better off letting the winnings build up and then withdraw or withdraw small amounts as you go along.

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17-02-2021 10:45pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

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You wondering why you're talking to yourself Dan?

Lost Ormond · 17-02-2021 10:45pm

madmax72 wrote: »

Why can't the bookies just accept bets while controlling numbers and no live racing on the screens.That would stop the crowds during the big meetings.Itv are showing 6 live races a day for Cheltenham

Because it isnt seen as necessary to keep them open. It wouldnt stop people staying around the bookies and congegating though.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Just as an aside.
I hear stories of bookies closing online accounts if the punter is doing well.
Are you better off letting the winnings build up and then withdraw or withdraw small amounts as you go along.

There's loads of stories of bookies closing or restricting accounts if punter is doing very well. Very much up to you if you want to let winnings build up

realdanbreen · 17-02-2021 11:02pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You wondering why you're talking to yourself Dan?

But seriously, what kind of money are we talking about before they get iffy about your account. A fella was telling me that it's not how much you are winning but the percentage you win. Or are you better off wagering small amounts at a time.

okidoki987 · 17-02-2021 11:59pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

But seriously, what kind of money are we talking about before they get iffy about your account. A fella was telling me that it's not how much you are winning but the percentage you win. Or are you better off wagering small amounts at a time.

It depends on a lot of things.
Different bookies have different views of winning punters and also will depend on what ways you are making money off them.
If you are making money from betting on virtual races, lotteries, roulette or slots, you should be fine as the bookie will know they will get the money back over time.
If it's horse racing, greyhounds or sports, it's a different view especially if you are backing horses at prices that are better than SP's.
Some will close near enough immediately, some will restrict you or some will let you have your bets for a while so they can see what you are backing and they can then take the relevant action.
Percentages return is one way they would look at it.
Smaller stakes should see you last a bit longer with most bookies.
I've had accounts closed after 4 winning bets on Grade A sports and I've had accounts for years with other bookies doing the same bets.

hurleronditch · 18-02-2021 12:22am

okidoki987 wrote: »

It depends on a lot of things.
Different bookies have different views of winning punters and also will depend on what ways you are making money off them.
If you are making money from betting on virtual races, lotteries, roulette or slots, you should be fine as the bookie will know they will get the money back over time.
If it's horse racing, greyhounds or sports, it's a different view especially if you are backing horses at prices that are better than SP's.
Some will close near enough immediately, some will restrict you or some will let you have your bets for a while so they can see what you are backing and they can then take the relevant action.
Percentages return is one way they would look at it.
Smaller stakes should see you last a bit longer with most bookies.
I've had accounts closed after 4 winning bets on Grade A sports and I've had accounts for years with other bookies doing the same bets.

I think the SP point is important if a horse racing gambler. Someone sticking a very good run together for small to moderate stakes on a mix of racing probably won’t be limited down too quickly. Someone showing a clear trend of knowledge on some aspect of racing, all weather, Irish maidens and bumpers, NH UK handicaps, or else someone who gets in early on market moves beating SP frequently on winning picks won’t last long at all.

okidoki987 · 18-02-2021 1:37am

hurleronditch wrote: »

someone who gets in early on market moves beating SP frequently on winning picks won’t last long at all.

Very true, it's probably the biggest alert for a bookie to close an account.

Not very user-friendly them self-service terminals (or whatever they're called) in the bookies.

Close enough.
They are Self Service Betting Terminals or SSBT for short.
In the UK, their machines are called FOBT's, Fixed Odds Betting Terminals as
they have different content to ROI with roulette, slots and others available.

okidoki987 · 19-02-2021 2:17pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

If UK bookies open (including NI) around early March and ROI bookies don't,I know a professional punter who is talking about moving up North until they reopen down here.

Heard about a few professional punters are looking at taking an AirBnB in Belfast for Cheltenham week and getting their bets on if the bookies are open up there.
There seems to be a lot of different firms in Belfast including Boyles, Ladbrokes, Paddy Power, Grahams, McCleans and Toals.

Mongfinder General · 19-02-2021 4:14pm

hurleronditch wrote: »

They have those inside the shops already, but i imagine several hundred sets of grubby punters hands touching the same screen and machine probably wouldnt pass muster, but you never know. i also think some old codger trying to line up a 10c superheinz and spending 20 minutes at the machine would be infuriating!!

Not much use inside the shops right now. You would literally need a hole in the wall ATM. As for touching a key pad bare handed, you would be better off sticking your Mickey in a wasps nest.

realdanbreen · 19-02-2021 4:19pm

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Not much use inside the shops right now. You would literally need a hole in the wall ATM. As for touching a key pad bare handed, you would be better off sticking your Mickey in a wasps nest.

Are you speaking from experience?

Mongfinder General · 21-02-2021 12:16am

Stick to the Thread title please.

okidoki987 · 22-02-2021 5:48pm

UK Bookies will be back open 12th April, 2 days after the Grand National.
Punter friends living in border counties will be in demand.

I'd say there is a good chance they will change the GN meeting to the following week so the B&M bookies are open for it.
Biggest single day for bookies for both turnover and profits.

pottokblue · 22-02-2021 9:29pm

It would be grand if NPHET recommend a two exemption from shutdown/lockdown the week 16March2021 for Cheletenham and the weekend 8th April for Aintree...

thatsmighty · 22-02-2021 9:32pm

Gambling will probably be moving all online, I don't see the point of shops

Lost Ormond · 22-02-2021 9:47pm

pottokblue wrote: »

It would be grand if NPHET recommend a two exemption from shutdown/lockdown the week 16March2021 for Cheletenham and the weekend 8th April for Aintree...

More chances of them forgetting covid existed.

thatsmighty wrote: »

Gambling will probably be moving all online, I don't see the point of shops

It wont at all. Far too many people never will want or desire to open an account and have their betting tied to their bank accounts.
Then if you move it all online you restrict betting to those who do it regularly and wont have lots who do it on one off basis

Bobeagleburger · 23-02-2021 8:37am

They will either reopen in the Autumn with non food pubs, or mid summer (whenever that is!) with other retail.

I'd expect many bricks and mortar shops to close in the medium term. It's a highly profitable online business.

realdanbreen · 23-02-2021 9:05am

pottokblue wrote: »

It would be grand if NPHET recommend a two exemption from shutdown/lockdown the week 16March2021 for Cheletenham and the weekend 8th April for Aintree...

50-1 NPHET won't do that !

okidoki987 · 23-02-2021 2:04pm

pottokblue wrote: »

It would be grand if NPHET recommend a two exemption from shutdown/lockdown the week 16March2021 for Cheletenham and the weekend 8th April for Aintree...

Didn't they try that for Christmas?

It wont at all. Far too many people never will want or desire to open an account and have their betting tied to their bank accounts.
Then if you move it all online you restrict betting to those who do it regularly and wont have lots who do it on one off basis

+1

mid summer (whenever that is!) with other retail.

My guess as well, just in time for Euro 20(insert number here)

It's a highly profitable online business.

Also profitable business in shops as well.

It would be grand if NPHET recommend a two exemption from shutdown/lockdown the week 16March2021 for Cheletenham and the weekend 8th April for Aintree.

50-1 NPHET won't do that !

1,000/1, minimum bet €10,000 cash, up front

provided you don't work for NPHET or the Government!

hurleronditch · 24-02-2021 9:36pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

UK Bookies will be back open 12th April, 2 days after the Grand National.
Punter friends living in border counties will be in demand.

I'd say there is a good chance they will change the GN meeting to the following week so the B&M bookies are open for it.
Biggest single day for bookies for both turnover and profits.

Do you genuinely think they’d move the biggest single race on the UK calendar to suit the bookies? Horses are being prepped for that date, TV schedules, racing schedules.... there isn’t a prayer. The bookies could offer them 20 million combined and the still wouldn’t or at least couldn’t take it to I’ve it.

okidoki987 · 25-02-2021 1:24am

hurleronditch wrote: »

Do you genuinely think they’d move the biggest single race on the UK calendar to suit the bookies? Horses are being prepped for that date, TV schedules, racing schedules.... there isn’t a prayer.

Want to give me odds on that?

It's the biggest turnover day of the year for bookies and the most profitable for them as well.
The bookies won't be open on the 10th but will be open 2 days later, Grand National was scheduled for the 10th and there is no reason for it not to be on the following week.

Bobeagleburger · 25-02-2021 7:51am

Be surprised if they do. Would be a PR disaster if it led to rise in cases. People can use their phone. Much easier.

pottokblue · 25-02-2021 1:07pm

Piece on the radio about lockdown flutter and online/mobile smartphone gambling that 50 % people become promblem gamblers. I'm a gambler with a problem; shops will be shut over CHeltenham and I have no online account.

chancer007 · 25-02-2021 2:09pm

pottokblue wrote: »

Piece on the radio about lockdown flutter and online/mobile smartphone gambling that 50 % people become promblem gamblers. I'm a gambler with a problem; shops will be shut over CHeltenham and I have no online account.

a lot of people in the same boat, just gotta grin & bear it.

realdanbreen · 25-02-2021 5:02pm

pottokblue wrote: »

Piece on the radio about lockdown flutter and online/mobile smartphone gambling that 50 % people become promblem gamblers. I'm a gambler with a problem; shops will be shut over CHeltenham and I have no online account.

Why would you not open an online account?

okidoki987 · 27-02-2021 9:38am

From the Racing Post.

The Randox Grand National meeting will remain in its scheduled position of April 8-10 after the Jockey Club said there was not a "solid enough basis" for moving the dates, or the Grand National itself, until after betting shops in England are scheduled to reopen on April 12.

Can't believe that.

Edgware · 27-02-2021 9:45am

okidoki987 wrote: »

UK Bookies will be back open 12th April, 2 days after the Grand National.
Punter friends living in border counties will be in demand.

I'd say there is a good chance they will change the GN meeting to the following week so the B&M bookies are open for it.
Biggest single day for bookies for both turnover and profits.

Apart from bookies the fact that the North is way ahead on vaccinations will result in a massive travel North from the South to avail of hotel breaks, restuarants etc. There will have to be a move to Level 3 in the South after Easter otherwise it will be open season

Edgware · 27-02-2021 9:48am

realdanbreen wrote: »

Why would you not open an online account?

I am not a big gambler but I have an online account. I mainly concentrate on football and I find myself tipping away nearly on a daily basis. I could imagine how that convenience would suit a problem gambler.

pottokblue · 27-02-2021 1:04pm

Thats right Edgware I like that the shops have opening hours where on the online I could be 24/7 putting bets on horses in Kentucky or SDS rides in Japan. Shops I stick to Irl, Uk, France and the odd Meday, Breederscup, Melbournecup... Handling cash helps me to keep tabs on my losses. I'd put my bets on in the morning then watch them run in the afternoon, online access would make me more tempted to chase my losses or to follow in the pubs chinese whispers/tips...Much prefer the facetoface interaction of the shops despite their inconveniences. However I'm sorely tempted to open an online account for the upcoming festivals...Anyone know can you do placepots with PP online or do the Tote do online betting??

Edgware · 27-02-2021 5:52pm

I read the book "Tony 10" about the Postmaster in Carlow who gambled millions. He was throwing thousands on games in Peru Third Division etc.
My 1euro lucky 15 is harmless in comparison

okidoki987 · 27-02-2021 7:56pm

Edgware wrote: »

I read the book "Tony 10" about the Postmaster in Carlow who gambled millions. He was throwing thousands on games in Peru Third Division etc.
My 1euro lucky 15 is harmless in comparison

But are you getting any free trips, free bets, free champagne lunches and so on?

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okidoki987 · 27-02-2021 8:08pm

pottokblue wrote: »

.Anyone know can you do placepots with PP online or do the Tote do online betting??

https://offers.tote.co.uk/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=%2Btote%20%2Bireland&utm_campaign=Brand_BMM_IRE&utm_content=Tote_BMM_IRE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzIfxod-K7wIVAdtRCh2fWQ9zEAAYASAAEgL2cfD_BwE

They update that with in running results and units remaining, handy if you want to know the size of the payout.

Can't remember if PP still do Placepots, it's so long since I did them.
When I used to do them in PP, the bets didn't go into the pool so placepot payout in a PP shop would nearly always be higher than if your and all other shop stakes went into the official pool.
It was very handy for Cheltenham and other larger placepot pots.

Edgware · 28-02-2021 7:04pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

But are you getting any free trips, free bets, free champagne lunches and so on? .

I get a diary at Christmas and double odds on one winner in the Lucky 15ðŸ˜

okidoki987 · 28-02-2021 8:38pm

Edgware wrote: »

I get a diary at Christmas and double odds on one winner in the Lucky 15ðŸ˜

Did you get a diary for Christmas 2020?
Used to be treble odds one winner but cut backs etc.

Tommo 76 · 04-03-2021 12:50pm

Anyone know is there ways to top up a paddypower account without using visa / credit card so it doesn’t show on a bank statement? Don’t want it to show up in case applying for a loan or mortgage etc. Could I add money to my PayPal balance and then deposit with PayPal (I presume once the PayPal account is in balance and topped up, then the actual PayPal transactions wouldn’t show up on the bank statement would they?).

Scoundrel · 04-03-2021 1:08pm

Tommo 76 wrote: »

Anyone know is there ways to top up a paddypower account without using visa / credit card so it doesn’t show on a bank statement? Don’t want it to show up in case applying for a loan or mortgage etc. Could I add money to my PayPal balance and then deposit with PayPal (I presume once the PayPal account is in balance and topped up, then the actual PayPal transactions wouldn’t show up on the bank statement would they?).

Use Revolut if you have 1 though sometimes the banks look for that and all

okidoki987 · 04-03-2021 2:03pm

Tommo 76 wrote: »

Anyone know is there ways to top up a paddypower account without using visa / credit card so it doesn’t show on a bank statement? Don’t want it to show up in case applying for a loan or mortgage etc. Could I add money to my PayPal balance and then deposit with PayPal (I presume once the PayPal account is in balance and topped up, then the actual PayPal transactions wouldn’t show up on the bank statement would they?).

No use at the moment but when shops do reopen you can lodge money into your account then.
Revolut as mentioned would be my choice if I was doing it.

realdanbreen · 04-03-2021 2:25pm

Tommo 76 wrote: »

Anyone know is there ways to top up a paddypower account without using visa / credit card so it doesn’t show on a bank statement? Don’t want it to show up in case applying for a loan or mortgage etc. Could I add money to my PayPal balance and then deposit with PayPal (I presume once the PayPal account is in balance and topped up, then the actual PayPal transactions wouldn’t show up on the bank statement would they?).

I just get a Paysafe top up for whatever amount, 10,20 50 whatever and add to pp account that way. You can get them in any centra shop and I'm sure other shops also sell them.

Bobeagleburger · 04-03-2021 2:27pm

Banks can ask for Revolut statements too

Tommo 76 · 14-03-2021 10:54am

realdanbreen wrote: »

I just get a Paysafe top up for whatever amount, 10,20 50 whatever and add to pp account that way. You can get them in any centra shop and I'm sure other shops also sell them.

Thanks, I did that. For anyone else just buy the voucher in a shop and in paddypower select deposit, alternative method, Paysafe and just key in the voucher number.

callaway92 · 14-03-2021 10:57am

If banks see regular transactions to a Revolut account they’ll obviously question that too, so ya, it’s a tough one if you’re trying to avoid questions.

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