Seems like a good deal on coal....

brian_gall85 · 29-01-2015 7:06pm

On the topic of peat briquettes being cheaper in the UK, you have the carbon tax and higher VAT level this side of the border to thank for that...

Carbon tax in ROI = €20 per ton
Carbon tax in UK = €0

Vat ROI = 13.5%
Vat UK = 5%

Cost of living, wages etc are higher in Ireland, than in the UK.

Expect to see the price of this coal rise by at least 10-15% this time with the fall in the value of the euro over the past 4-6 weeks.

vicwatson · 29-01-2015 7:39pm

my3cents wrote: »

But I think we may be taking the thread off topic.

Fair point, my bad

ted1 · 29-01-2015 7:45pm

brian_gall85 wrote: »

On the topic of peat briquettes being cheaper in the UK, you have the carbon tax and higher VAT level this side of the border to thank for that...

Carbon tax in ROI = €20 per ton
Carbon tax in UK = €0

Vat ROI = 13.5%
Vat UK = 5%

Cost of living, wages etc are higher in Ireland, than in the UK.

Expect to see the price of this coal rise by at least 10-15% this time with the fall in the value of the euro over the past 4-6 weeks.

You can't compare fuel without knowing the energy content of each fuel

TTTT · 29-01-2015 10:10pm

brian_gall85 wrote: »

On the topic of peat briquettes being cheaper in the UK, you have the carbon tax and higher VAT level this side of the border to thank for that...

Carbon tax in ROI = €20 per ton
Carbon tax in UK = €0

Vat ROI = 13.5%
Vat UK = 5%

Cost of living, wages etc are higher in Ireland, than in the UK.

Expect to see the price of this coal rise by at least 10-15% this time with the fall in the value of the euro over the past 4-6 weeks.

The carbon tax is €20 per tonne of carbon.
This equates to €52.67 per tonne of coal.
Add 13.5% Vat and it's €59.78 Carbon tax per tonne.

There's the rip off!

Atlantic Dawn · 29-01-2015 10:34pm

TTTT wrote: »

The carbon tax is €20 per tonne of carbon.
This equates to €52.67 per tonne of coal.
Add 13.5% Vat and it's €59.78 Carbon tax per tonne.

There's the rip off!

In our tiny country imposing these pure nonsensical taxes to heat a persons home where the rest of the world doesn't impose the same taxes on their people is a scandal.

brian_gall85 · 30-01-2015 9:44am

TTTT wrote: »

The carbon tax is €20 per tonne of carbon.
This equates to €52.67 per tonne of coal.
Add 13.5% Vat and it's €59.78 Carbon tax per tonne.

There's the rip off!

Exactly, that makes it 25% more expensive in tax alone!

30-01-2015 9:57am

Rang for my second pallet this morning.

Prices are going up on Monday due to weakness of euro. If you order today you get current prices.

vicwatson · 30-01-2015 1:53pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Rang for my second pallet this morning.

Prices are going up on Monday due to weakness of euro. If you order today you get current prices.

Too what did they say?

invalidkey · 30-01-2015 4:12pm

Word is a rise of 80c on 40kg

30-01-2015 5:20pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Too what did they say?

As above. 80c per 40kg bag

funnyname · 30-01-2015 5:54pm

Ordered in the nick of time, my procrastination nearly caught me out.

TheTorment wrote: »

Rang for my second pallet this morning.

Prices are going up on Monday due to weakness of euro. If you order today you get current prices.

vicwatson · 31-01-2015 11:51am

Still a great price plus 80c imo

31-01-2015 12:08pm

Agreed Vicwatson.

I've a roaring fire burning it right now. Super heat. Super price.

vicwatson · 31-01-2015 12:52pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Agreed Vicwatson.

I've a roaring fire burning it right now. Super heat. Super price.

:eek::eek: at 11.08??

K

my3cents · 31-01-2015 1:31pm

vicwatson wrote: »

:eek::eek: at 11.08??

K

Same here fire was relit about 8:30 am but there is a really cold north wind which would freeze the old house if we didn't have it going.

31-01-2015 2:34pm

vicwatson wrote: »

:eek::eek: at 11.08??

K

Yep. Lit fire before I brought the dog for a walk around 7:30.

Was glad I did upon returning. There was an icy wind out!

tennis12 · 31-01-2015 2:55pm

TheTorment wrote: »

Yep. Lit fire before I brought the dog for a walk around 7:30.

Was glad I did upon returning. There was an icy wind out!

Had the fire burning from 8am every day this week. Indicates how much we use, this deal has been a godsend! So very very pleased, thank you once again op and agreed, the 80c increase is 20€ per ton but tbh I was paying 19.90 per bag of Coal pre this deal so I still consider this a great deal.

_Jumper_ · 31-01-2015 2:57pm

Ye need to invest in a good jumper

_Jumper_ · 31-01-2015 2:58pm

tennis12 wrote: »

Had the fire burning from 8am every day this week. Indicates how much we use, this deal has been a godsend! So very very pleased, thank you once again op and agreed, the 80c increase is 20€ per ton but tbh I was paying 19.90 per bag of Coal pre this deal so I still consider this a great deal.

You need to invest in new house

Rock Paper Scissors · 31-01-2015 10:21pm

Guys has anyone tried the smokeless ovoids from this crowd?

I currently use ecobrite and cosyglow gems (both also ovoids) but its very expensive down here at around 21 per 40kg bag

This crowd up north is selling their smokeless ovoids at 12.80 per bag but im just wondering if its any good

If anyone has used it please share your experience

Cheers

moodrater · 01-02-2015 11:12am

vicwatson wrote: »

:eek::eek: at 11.08??

K

Ours is roaring since 18th on november :pac: serves me right for buying a house on top of a hill .. spectacular views me aaarse!

wait4me · 01-02-2015 2:55pm

Rock Paper Scissors wrote: »

Guys has anyone tried the smokeless ovoids from this crowd?

I currently use ecobrite and cosyglow gems (both also ovoids) but its very expensive down here at around 21 per 40kg bag

This crowd up north is selling their smokeless ovoids at 12.80 per bag but im just wondering if its any good

I'm interested in this too as I burn smokeless ovoids in an insert stove.

aero1974 · 01-02-2015 7:21pm

Just wondering if anyone has got premium double and put them in stove

Thanks

Cantona's Collars · 01-02-2015 7:58pm

wait4me wrote: »

I'm interested in this too as I burn smokeless ovoids in an insert stove.

I used smokeless ovoids before, €15 per 40kg locally.I took the plunge and got the Premium Coal from here for nearly half the price,burns grand and is actually giving me more heat,I mix it with timber for best results.

makeorbrake · 01-02-2015 9:17pm

zerks wrote: »

I used smokeless ovoids before, €15 per 40kg locally.I took the plunge and got the Premium Coal from here for nearly half the price,burns grand and is actually giving me more heat,I mix it with timber for best results.

Not gone with this crowd (will do next season) but have experimented with polish and then ecobrite - when someone suggested ecobrite was better for a stove.

Perhaps it is better (i know there are concerns about just how hot a stove should become) but there are pluses and minuses.

The ecobrite lasts considerably longer. However, it's a b1tch to get started - and I'm finding those damned ovoids - with them being rounded - keep rolling out onto my carpeted floor. Furthermore, whilst they endure longer, the heat output is half what regular coal would give you.

my 2 cents..

moodrater · 01-02-2015 10:07pm

makeorbrake wrote: »

whilst they endure longer, the heat output is half what regular coal would give you.
my 2 cents..

The overall heat output is higher but over a much longer period at lower temperature. If you have a large enough stove its not a problem and your flue, stove and stove glass remain immaculate though.

makeorbrake · 01-02-2015 10:44pm

moodrater wrote: »

The overall heat output is higher but over a much longer period at lower temperature. If you have a large enough stove its not a problem and your flue, stove and stove glass remain immaculate though.

Yes, I don't doubt that. I've got the smallest of stoves (stanley oisin) and with that, it can't produce the necessary output with ecobrite. I had thought exactly the same...ie. if I had a larger stove, it would probably be fine.

funnyname · 02-02-2015 3:27pm

Ordered Friday evening delivered to Clare lunchtime today.

Rock Paper Scissors · 02-02-2015 4:39pm

makeorbrake wrote: »

the heat output is half what regular coal would give you.

I also have a stanley oisin and when I bought it initially I tested just about every type of coal there is

Im my experience Ecobrite produced the best heat by far along with cosyglow gems. It also produced the least ash.

I have no problem getting it to light

I really want to hear from someone who has bought the smokeless ovoids from this crowd up north to see what its like as I would be saving around 7 euro per 40kg bag

Maybe if there is enough interest 2 or 3 of us could share a pallet between us?

pm. · 02-02-2015 6:21pm

Hi

I am just finished the coal I got at the start of the month Jan ( went half with my mother ), I got 23 bags of polish and 2 slack. I wouldnt bother with the slack again as it didnt burn great..

This time I ordered the below

Champion Premium Coal 40kg x21
Black Diamond Blend 40kg x2
Smokeless Ovoids 40kg x2

I found the champion ok tbh but want to try out the other 2 this time, I will report back my findings at the end of the week..

my3cents · 02-02-2015 6:40pm

pm. wrote: »

Hi

I am just finished the coal I got at the start of the month Jan ( went half with my mother ), I got 23 bags of polish and 2 slack. I wouldnt bother with the slack again as it didnt burn great..

This time I ordered the below

Champion Premium Coal 40kg x21
Black Diamond Blend 40kg x2
Smokeless Ovoids 40kg x2

I found the champion ok tbh but want to try out the other 2 this time, I will report back my findings at the end of the week..

Very interested to hear how you get on with the Smokeless Ovoids, so don't burn them last

makeorbrake · 02-02-2015 6:53pm

Rock Paper Scissors wrote: »

I also have a stanley oisin and ...Im my experience Ecobrite produced the best heat by far

If you mean the best heat in terms of pure termperature, then I disagree. It has greater longevity definitely - so heat output spread over a longer duration - but in terms of pure temperature at any given time, then that output at that time is the lesser when compared with polish.

Anyway - that's just my experience.

pm. · 02-02-2015 7:53pm

my3cents wrote: »

Very interested to hear how you get on with the Smokeless Ovoids, so don't burn them last

Ha tell you what... I will burn them first

Rock Paper Scissors · 02-02-2015 8:03pm

pm. wrote: »

Ha tell you what... I will burn them first

nice one mate, please be sure to post your results as im v interested in the ovoids

cathalj · 02-02-2015 8:18pm

Rock Paper Scissors wrote:

Maybe if there is enough interest 2 or 3 of us could share a pallet between us?

Was thinking the same, dependent on people interested living close to each other though.

Rock Paper Scissors · 02-02-2015 8:27pm

cathalj wrote: »

Was thinking the same, dependent on people interested living close to each other though.

Ok lets just wait on pm to test the ovoids first, then we can go from there

moodrater · 02-02-2015 8:39pm

pm. wrote: »

Ha tell you what... I will burn them first

If they're the really high carbon kind they're had to light put them on top of a lighting fire and give it some air.

pm. · 02-02-2015 8:56pm

I always have the front and back air vents open all the way on my stanley eirn to start the fire and just to be sure i also leave the bottom door a bit for 4/5 mins, with a couple of fire lighters and a handful of sticks that stove would burn stones

I hope to get the delivery tomorrow or wednesday as soon a i get it i will report back..

slave1 · 02-02-2015 9:37pm

pm. wrote: »

I always have the front and back air vents open all the way on my stanley eirn to start the fire and just to be sure i also leave the bottom door a bit for 4/5 mins, with a couple of fire lighters and a handful of sticks that stove would burn stones

I hope to get the delivery tomorrow or wednesday as soon a i get it i will report back..

Cheers, I have the Erin too and burn mostly Cosyglow with the odd Ecobrite, very interested to see how you get on...

Midlandsman80 · 03-02-2015 2:31pm

slave1 wrote: »

Cheers, I have the Erin too and burn mostly Cosyglow with the odd Ecobrite, very interested to see how you get on...

I got a pallet 2 weeks ago. 15 bags of premium polish, 2 doubles and 4 each of Ovids and ClearFlame (both smokeless, clearflame is hot stuff).
I said id like and share their facebook page so they knocked of the price of 2 bags and bill came to something like €204.

I have an Olymberyl Aidan stove, this is a big stove, can take 8+ kg of coal at a time, in an eve lighting at 4 we could go through 12kg (+2 logs of my own timber either side of fire to keep it well together and built up).
This 12kg per day is costing me €3.17 incl delivery (26.4 cent a kg), my previous cosyglow was costing me €19.50 or 48.75 cent a kg (€5.85 pd).
I am burning a bit more coal now because I can afford too.

For a large quantity coal user like me Kerosene at current prices is nearly better value than €20 euro bags of coal...
€40quid on Kerosene at my last price of 59 cent is 68ltrs, in a week with a modern high efficiency burner that's a good bit of heat.

I mix mine, sounds like heartship but its not really.
I fill 10 plastic buckets at a time, 1/2 with cheap polish, 1/4 with each of other two, these can just be emptied into house coal bucket as required, meaning the Mrs or anyone can do it if I am away.

Its working out great value for me and the mix works best, you would need to keep the air going under it, if you don't it will burn alright but will be left with more cinders in the morning..

Once fire gets lower at about 10pm I would almost fully open door and let it burn hot for the rest of the night, this reduces cinders by 50% or more. if this was not done could be taking out 1/5th of a bucket of cinders.

slave1 · 03-02-2015 3:36pm

Regarding the cinders, cheap sieve and less than a minute and all saved, bag them in whatever small bags are around be they nappy sacks or the packaging from a sliced pan and then peg them on the fire when it's in full glow, they burn away, less waste and more bang for your buck...

moodrater · 03-02-2015 4:20pm

Midlandsman80 wrote: »

For a large quantity coal user like me Kerosene at current prices is nearly better value than €20 euro bags of coal...
€40quid on Kerosene at my last price of 59 cent is 68ltrs, in a week with a modern high efficiency burner that's a good bit of heat.

If your stove isn't at full efficiency i.e. fully loaded going full pelt kerosene is pretty close at the moment in theory. Unfortunately its too easy for the wife / kids to crank up the Euros on the timer and thermostat so coal still works out a lot cheaper

With regard to sieving coal you'd want a good mask to be doing that PAC's from burnt bituminous coal are highly carcinogenic not to mention heavy metals.

pm. · 03-02-2015 9:12pm

hi all

well ordered the coal yesterday lunchtime got delivery this morning

as promised i burnt the ovoids first... they are a little bit harder to light compared to the polish coal but not that bad. with regards to the heat i have a thermostat on the chimney of the stove, with the polish it hits just over 200c with the ovoids they hit 165c but they do burn for over 2 hours before the temperature drops to 115c.

at this point i reload the fire ( stanley erin back boiler ) i also burning the ovoids with some logs.

in the kids room i have a small 6kw non boiler stove you will get 3.5 to 4 hours of good heat using the ovoids, then just stoke the fire and add logs, the fire still has enough heat to burn logs without adding more ovoids. as for ash wont know until tomorrow but i am burning logs also.

my verdict... stay with the polish coal its a lot cheaper and better value for money, however if you want to burn smokeless you wont go wrong with these ovoids they are the same quality as the 20 euro bag i buy locally

tomorrow i will try the black diamond mix semi smokeless

hope this helps

_Jumper_ · 03-02-2015 11:14pm

Midlandsman80 wrote: »

I got a pallet 2 weeks ago. 15 bags of premium polish, 2 doubles and 4 each of Ovids and ClearFlame (both smokeless, clearflame is hot stuff).
I said id like and share their facebook page so they knocked of the price of 2 bags and bill came to something like €204.

I have an Olymberyl Aidan stove, this is a big stove, can take 8+ kg of coal at a time, in an eve lighting at 4 we could go through 12kg (+2 logs of my own timber either side of fire to keep it well together and built up).
This 12kg per day is costing me €3.17 incl delivery (26.4 cent a kg), my previous cosyglow was costing me €19.50 or 48.75 cent a kg (€5.85 pd).
I am burning a bit more coal now because I can afford too.

For a large quantity coal user like me Kerosene at current prices is nearly better value than €20 euro bags of coal...
€40quid on Kerosene at my last price of 59 cent is 68ltrs, in a week with a modern high efficiency burner that's a good bit of heat.

I mix mine, sounds like heartship but its not really.
I fill 10 plastic buckets at a time, 1/2 with cheap polish, 1/4 with each of other two, these can just be emptied into house coal bucket as required, meaning the Mrs or anyone can do it if I am away.

Its working out great value for me and the mix works best, you would need to keep the air going under it, if you don't it will burn alright but will be left with more cinders in the morning..

Once fire gets lower at about 10pm I would almost fully open door and let it burn hot for the rest of the night, this reduces cinders by 50% or more. if this was not done could be taking out 1/5th of a bucket of cinders.

Must be an ould house to be burning through so much?

Midlandsman80 · 04-02-2015 12:36am

_Jumper_ wrote: »

Must be an ould house to be burning through so much?

Yep, late 70s large bungalow with gunbarrel piping to 14 old rads, if lucky the insulation on piping to rads consists of a bit of rockwool thrown on top...ðŸ˜³
About a 16ft run from stove to cylinder, not ideal but had to be that way.

still a big stove like this would take that much to get any value of of it.
it's a rented house, landlord funded stove I installed with friends.

modern Rads and really well insulated plumbing and walls would mean a smaller stove...

It is putting a lot more heat into the house and the house it retaining it as it's getting it every day,
a modern fully efficient house would be some oven with 12kg of this stuff buring per day....

charlesh · 04-02-2015 1:48am

Ordered mine yesterday at 2pm - delivered today at 2pm.
Dublin.
Was out tonight , but still got a couple of hours of stovage in.
Got a ton of premium - so far so good.

moodrater · 04-02-2015 2:04am

Midlandsman80 wrote: »

Yep, late 70s large bungalow with gunbarrel piping to 14 old rads, if lucky the insulation on piping to rads consists of a bit of rockwool thrown on top...ðŸ˜³
About a 16ft run from stove to cylinder, not ideal but had to be that way.

still a big stove like this would take that much to get any value of of it.
it's a rented house, landlord funded stove I installed with friends.

modern Rads and really well insulated plumbing and walls would mean a smaller stove...

It is putting a lot more heat into the house and the house it retaining it as it's getting it every day,
a modern fully efficient house would be some oven with 12kg of this stuff buring per day....

12kg is very low compared to the national heating statistics for detached houses especially considering this weather.

12kg standard coal equates to burning about 7l of kerosene when you take back boil stove and non condensing oil boiler efficiency into account.

Over heating season:
32 weeks x 7 days = 224 days x 12kg = 2688kg = 21235kwh

In reality it would be more like 17000-19000kwh since your consumption will be less in the early and late months.

The average cost of heating a home in ireland could be guestimated somewhere between 12000kwh for a 2 bed terraced to 25000kwh for a 4/5 bed detached.

Cocoon · 04-02-2015 2:20am

I've been watching this thread and trying to decide which coal to go with? Last week I bought a couple of 20kg bags of smokeless from a petrol station in mount brown @ 7.99 a bag. The smokeless coal seems to contain lignite nuggets and a petcoke blend which is not recommended for stoves under warranty but mixing this blend with some peat briquettes has given me great results. I have a flue thermometer stuck to the front of the stove and when it gets to 250c I close off the vents a little and cool the burn, the heat and amount of fuel used is impressive. Has anybody else here used a petcoke blend in a stove? Btw I'm using a town and country little thurlow stove..

charlesh · 04-02-2015 2:38am

forgot to say the premium coal is now 8.80 for 40kg.

moodrater · 04-02-2015 3:33am

Cocoon wrote: »

Has anybody else here used a petcoke blend in a stove? Btw I'm using a town and country little thurlow stove..

My wife bought it inadvertently and warped the front bars in one stove to the point that they have to be replaced and warped the grate in the other stove. If you're religious about tending it maybe you'll get away with it but forget the baffle open and by the time you hear it roaring its too late.

Only the crappy smokeless fuels are petcoke/lignite by the way, ovoids are up to 98% carbon and do have a protective ash layer .

Seems like a good deal on coal....

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