Demons Souls

AnCapaillMor · 08-07-2009 2:44pm

Yeah 1.1, around where you bump into the blue dragon first time, flame shiled is there too, both worth dieing for, Just search the charred remains. And Ouch!!! do not consume the demons souls, most can be used to upgrade weapons or buy magic with. As ror trading them for Weapons\magic, free or save crtain characters, Yuria in 1-4, freke in 3-1, Urbain in 4-2 and they'll apear in the nexus with nice new magic that requires souls. for weapons, bug the crap out of the blacksmith on 2-1 when you have 2-2 demon soul and he'll start upgrading weapons for you. Fecked up myself too and ate a few souls, did'nt realise certain weapons had to be +X to upgrade with a soul, although i did get most of the magic stuff. You'll have play a few times, new game+2, to get everything, some souls can used for different upgrades\magics.

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/demon-s-souls, a guide on what each soul will get you.

Kiith · 08-07-2009 4:08pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

Ok I'm having a hard time on the spider, I have no ranged weapons or magic really so need to move towards it and melee. However the spider either quickly crushes me or gets me with her fire blast.

Looking at a list of the requirements to kill her online:

* Total Protection
* Soul Light
* Ring of Flame Resistance
* White Bow + White arrows
* Sticky White Stuff

I have none of that stuff Also, the sticky white stuff, where can I buy it?

I had none of those, and was able to melee him down. I was able to time my dodges well to avoid his web attack, which then allowed me to walk/run around his fireball most of the time. My normal shield blocked most of the damage from the fireball when i did get hit. Then you just run up to him, he'll cross his arms just before attacking, block this twice/three times, and he'll drop his head onto the ground (stay back here, as it can knowck you down). Then chop away, and once he gets up run back down the tunnell, as he does an aoe flame attack.

As for co-op, i'd be up for it sometime, though i dont have any of the needed souls yet i think.

Amalgam · 08-07-2009 4:17pm

If you are a Vagrant Story nerd, would you like this? I seriously like the visuals, does the gameplay match?

[counts pennies to buy PS3]

Retr0gamer · 08-07-2009 4:24pm

It's only like Vagrant Story in look and feel. the Combat is much better in this. Let's face it the combat in Vagrant Story was utter rubbish but everything else mad eit good. I'd definitely recommend it though.

L31mr0d · 08-07-2009 6:40pm

it has all the parts of an rpg I love (character and weapon upgrading, the feeling of constantly struggling to get better) but has removed all the parts that I hate (a far too expansive sandbox filled with morons babbling on about their life with too much reading and listening and not enough doing)

It's sandbox'ish, but the levels are linear, and the story is simple. It basically amounts to:

"Some dude released a load of demons who are harvesting human souls, you need to kill said demons... well what are you waiting for! get on with it!"

L31mr0d · 09-07-2009 11:07am

Ok what's with the in game descriptions of items? I usually don't like reading walkthroughs and wikis unless I have to but this game seems to require it if I'm to understand what a weapon actually does.

I defeated the red eye'd dual sword skeleton on 4.1 (did it without even trying I stood a distance from him and hit him with 4 volleys of fire magic) I then got the crescent falcion +1 which looked pretty rubbish tbh so I stored it in the nexus.

I was reading about what to do with the crow woman, and seen that the crescent falcion +1 regenerates my MP... what? I don't understand why this little nugget of information is omitted from the description of the weapon.

btw, I'm using this, has a nice little guide on what to drop for the crow woman

http://mycheats.1up.com/view/section/3169297/26459/demon_s_souls/ps3

Retr0gamer · 09-07-2009 12:00pm

It's called bad localisation. If you loved your JRPGs in the 8, 16 and early 32 bit era you'd be used to it. Back then localisation was so bad that you couldn't beat some games without a tip book of hint lines. See Simons Quest and Phantasy Star for examples.

AnCapaillMor · 09-07-2009 12:16pm

Yeah game descriptions are pretty brutal, crescent is anything comes that from mercurystone. Had to look up wiki to see what each ore does. Falcion is't great but if you're strong and you've a load bad guys around you, its quite handy. you'd definately be lost without a guide. Demons Souls guide are probably the top selling item in asia.

rossism · 09-07-2009 12:31pm

Anyone invaded another world yet? just got a black eye stone and was thinking of using it.

AnCapaillMor · 09-07-2009 2:09pm

I'd level up a bit first, there's some pretty nasty guys going around that'll hand you your ass in 10 seconds.

L31mr0d · 09-07-2009 3:09pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

I'd level up a bit first, there's some pretty nasty guys going around that'll hand you your ass in 10 seconds.

don't you also lose a soul level if you invade and fail? I'd say invading is only an option once I've gotten up to seriously high soul levels.

rossism · 09-07-2009 3:14pm

eh you dont lose a soul level.I failed earlier and im still at the same level.

L31mr0d · 09-07-2009 3:32pm

rossism wrote: »

eh you dont lose a soul level.I failed earlier and im still at the same level.

I read it here:

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/online

"If the invading player fails to kill the host, or somehow dies by the environment of the stage (falling, fireball in 1-x) but not by hosted or a blue phantom player, your Soul Level will decrease, deducting a level from your highest stat."

rossism · 09-07-2009 3:34pm

well if checked twice and my soul level and stats all appear to be the same.

EDIT: re-read it you only lose a soul level if you die by anything other than the player whose world you invaded.

L31mr0d · 09-07-2009 4:12pm

rossism wrote: »

EDIT: re-read it you only lose a soul level if you die by anything other than the player whose world you invaded.

Or if you fail to kill the host. When you have invaded a game have you always managed to kill the host?

rossism · 09-07-2009 4:20pm

no ive been killed a few times, but ive always been killed by the host so i dont lose any stats.

L31mr0d · 09-07-2009 4:26pm

rossism wrote: »

no ive been killed a few times, but ive always been killed by the host so i dont lose any stats.

yeah I'm trying hard to understand under which conditions you lose a soul. So if don't die and the host doesn't die you lose a soul level. But if you die and the host kills you you don't lose a soul level

why would they reward you for getting killed by the host? Surely the punishment should be for dying and not staying alive?

rossism · 09-07-2009 4:29pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

yeah I'm trying hard to understand under which conditions you lose a soul. So if don't die and the host doesn't die you lose a soul level. But if you die and the host kills you you don't lose a soul level why would they reward you for getting killed by the host? Surely the punishment should be for dying and not staying alive?

i think you only lose one if you die by falling or beong burned by the dragon in 1-2. ive been invading worlds trying to get pure black tendency and if lost a few and ran out of time in one and still i havnt lost any stats.

AnCapaillMor · 09-07-2009 5:10pm

According to wiki its only if you invade with the red stone that you lose a level, i don't think you get it till the end.

Ross why do you want black tendency, got it on world 1 and 2 it was very bloody tough, black phantom mirilda took me 3-4 gos. How many stones of ephemeral eyes do you have, you can get black tendendy with them farely quick.

rossism · 09-07-2009 5:13pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Ross why do you want black tendency, got it on world 1 and it was very bloody tough, black phantom mirilda took me 3-4 gos. How many stones of ephemeral do you have, you can get black tendendy with them farely quick.

to fight mirilda. I have 2 ephemeral eye stones left.I wasted five commiting suicide trying to get pure black.

AnCapaillMor · 09-07-2009 5:17pm

5 should be enough, i know its 7 to get from pure white to black. Be prepared, Miralda is f'in tough(i'd trouble with her at around soul level 60), take the other black phantoms on the game and multiply them by 5. Her drop is crap(good damage but takes a while to swing it) however you will be able to get Biorrs armour(it totals 50 in weight so make space beforehand).

rossism · 09-07-2009 5:24pm

i really want the armour more than the axe. even if i dodge her attacks and get the armour ill be happy.

thanks for the warning ill go prepared:cool:

rossism · 09-07-2009 5:45pm

i must be very lucky:D.

miralda fell down and landed next to biorrs armour.didnt even have to swing my sword.

AnCapaillMor · 09-07-2009 5:50pm

Poxy poxy poxy poxy git.

Don't forget the colourless demons soul on the lower rafter.

rossism · 09-07-2009 5:58pm

dont worry i got it.

its a pity after all my troubles im not strong enough to wear biourrs armour.:p

rossism · 10-07-2009 1:19pm

anyone know any good places to farm souls?
Im looking to boost up some of my stats.

L31mr0d · 10-07-2009 1:40pm

rossism wrote: »

anyone know any good places to farm souls?
Im looking to boost up some of my stats.

3.1 is pretty good. My fire magic is high enough now that I can take out the skeletons with one volley of it, they also give you a lot of souls. Also drop your brass telescope (you should of got it off Ostrava in 1.1) at the base of the crow tree then reload the level, you'll get the Fragrant ring which recharges your MP.

The gold skeleton, the 3 red eye'd skeletons, the flying stingrays and then all the normal skeletons all add up to a lot of souls to collect and you can kill them all with fire magic pretty easily.

EDIT: Question, the gecko in 1.2 no longer seems to be appearing

is this a glitch or something? How do I get it to appear?

rossism · 10-07-2009 1:43pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

3.1 is pretty good. My fire magic is high enough now that I can take out the skeletons with one volley of it, they also give you a lot of souls. Also drop your brass telescope (you should of got it off Ostrava in 1.1) at the base of the crow tree then reload the level, you'll get the Fragrant ring which recharges your MP.

The gold skeleton, the 3 red eye'd skeletons, the flying stingrays and then all the normal skeletons all add up to a lot of souls to collect and you can kill them all with fire magic pretty easily.

thanks ill give it a try now. If there weak against fire my dragon long sword should come in handy.

L31mr0d · 10-07-2009 3:07pm

has anyone invited blue phantoms into their game yet? It kinda ruined it for me. I invited some guy in for the boss on 3.1 and he had some weapon that just instantly killed everything with one hit. I basically just tailed him until we got to the demon and he took about 80% of it's health off. I shot one or two volleys of fire magic at it's head and he was done.

I don't think I'll be inviting others into my game now unless I really need them. I like a bit of a challenge and having other, really high level players in my game made it feel too easy.

rossism · 10-07-2009 3:13pm

ye ive invited a few but only when im really stuck and getting frustrated.Although if my friends had the game id probably have them in my game all the time.

rossism · 10-07-2009 5:41pm

Anyone up for some co-op?

and does anyone know if you need a certain amount of magic to use certain swords?
when i try to use both makoto the magical sword and meat cleaver it says that im not skilled enough to use it fully but i can still use both like any other sword.

AnCapaillMor · 10-07-2009 10:49pm

rossism wrote: »

Anyone up for some co-op?

and does anyone know if you need a certain amount of magic to use certain swords?
when i try to use both makoto the magical sword and meat cleaver it says that im not skilled enough to use it fully but i can still use both like any other sword.

Hit square on weapon select, it should showe you the reqs.

Finished it today, totally revamped my fighting style, less armour more bouncing around with a curved sword. I overkilled on leveling up which was handy as new game+ is tricky.

What annoys me about the co op is you place the stone but you join the others game. At one stage last night i joined a boss fight and i was'nt even making a dent on him.

BTW 3.1 is the tower, 4-1 is the skeletons. Once you get to 4-3, its the best for leveling, work your way back through 3-2 and you can get around 60K souls per run.

rossism · 10-07-2009 11:26pm

just out of curiousity. what soul level where you when you finished it?

AnCapaillMor · 10-07-2009 11:56pm

rossism wrote: »

just out of curiousity. what soul level where you when you finished it?

111, altho if i'd gone with my tactics that defeated the last dude, it would've been less, i got up to him around level 80, kept leveling up, getting my ass handed and so i'd level up again and so on and on.

L31mr0d · 11-07-2009 2:14pm

A really quick way to farm, at least so far (haven't tried 3.2 yet) is at the beginning of 4.2

There is reaper down below that you can kill with about 4 or 5 flame arrows, killing him kills all the other spirits in the room and nets you about 4500 souls. I just run in, kill the guy closest with flame magic, then kill the guy below. I can usually get this done in 15 seconds. I then run back to the archstone exit and then enter again. In about a minute I can usually get around 13500 souls without any effort or risk. Did it for a bit to upgrade my strength so I could carry the flame shield.

AnCapaillMor · 12-07-2009 7:52pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

A really quick way to farm, at least so far (haven't tried 3.2 yet) is at the beginning of 4.2

There is reaper down below that you can kill with about 4 or 5 flame arrows, killing him kills all the other spirits in the room and nets you about 4500 souls. I just run in, kill the guy closest with flame magic, then kill the guy below. I can usually get this done in 15 seconds. I then run back to the archstone exit and then enter again. In about a minute I can usually get around 13500 souls without any effort or risk. Did it for a bit to upgrade my strength so I could carry the flame shield.

With a decent upgraed bow and strength it'll 2 no problems. Also take out the winged thingy for a 1200, equip the ring of avarice and get 20% more souls. working backwards from 4-3 to 4-2 is where all the souls are. The 3 reavers expect attacks from elsewhere.

NEW game+ is proving to be tough, build up your defenses because most bosses are one hit kills, i've given up trying to kill the dual katana skeletons. Most attacks will break through your defense, even with the flame shiled+10 and fire res ring. everytime i blocked the spiders fireball it knocked around 60% of me.

Levelling up is a botch at the moment, 92K for my next one.

L31mr0d · 13-07-2009 10:41am

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Also take out the winged thingy for a 1200

What's a good way to kill those flying mantas? I'm having a real hard time with the ones off the coast in 4.2. I have to constantly cast my hide spell which is irritating as it's draining my MP which I'm using to fire spell the skeletons.

Magic moves too slow and it's hit and miss aiming with a bow. Is there any homing magic that becomes available that would take them out?

rossism · 13-07-2009 2:38pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

What's a good way to kill those flying mantas? I'm having a real hard time with the ones off the coast in 4.2. I have to constantly cast my hide spell which is irritating as it's draining my MP which I'm using to fire spell the skeletons.

Magic moves too slow and it's hit and miss aiming with a bow. Is there any homing magic that becomes available that would take them out?

Equip thiefs ring and they cant see you.

AnCapaillMor · 13-07-2009 7:03pm

L31mr0d wrote: »

What's a good way to kill those flying mantas? I'm having a real hard time with the ones off the coast in 4.2. I have to constantly cast my hide spell which is irritating as it's draining my MP which I'm using to fire spell the skeletons.

Magic moves too slow and it's hit and miss aiming with a bow. Is there any homing magic that becomes available that would take them out?

What Ross said about the thiefs ring if you can't hit them.

if you want to kill em, i recommend a good bow and light arrows. Vicious compound bow or quality compund should do the trick. I recommend the vicious made from spiderstones. Best bow in the game. Stormruler is also quite handy for taking them out, just lock on and hit R1. If you've killed the 4-3 boss, you can start at the old hero's stone, go out and take out all the manta's there, then work your way back through 4-2 and there'll be no more mantas. On new game+ with the ring of avarice you get 40K souls in the space of a minute taking out all the manta's, i think i'll be on the UN's radar soon for the genocide of manta's.

And i'd like to add that fecking new patch, i lost white world tendency on worlds 1 and 4 after it patched. Still have it on stonefang but i've done all the white relatd events there, i only got makoto in 4-2, i never got a chance to fight satsuki in 4-1. Weird thing is i got makoto but its still showing up in 4-2 on the raised rock down in the pit.

L31mr0d · 14-07-2009 11:13am

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

i think i'll be on the UN's radar soon for the genocide of manta's.

Good. I still haven't forgiven them for Steve Irwin... never forget

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Weird thing is i got makoto but its still showing up in 4-2 on the raised rock down in the pit.

The game does seem glitchy in places. The vendor in 4.2, does he only sell a limited number of "white sticky stuff". I bought 2 of them off him, then when I went back he wasn't selling them any more. Apart from the turpentine in 1.2 I can't find weapon buffs anywhere.

Plus, is it me or is this game heavily weighted against melee players. I've pretty much given up on weapon upgrades and have been upgrading my bow and magic abilities only.

Another thing, have any of you had players invade your games? It's really starting to ruin it for me, as I spend so long without using a stone of ephemeral eyes, then when I do so I can stop using the cling ring, someone busts into my games and kills me outright with one hit from some unholy weapon. So I can't even revive myself now for fear of getting locked into the game to wait for some asshat to come along and kill me :mad: I also don't understand why it has to lock you in, I bought the evacuate spell specifically so I wouldn't have to fight people invading my game and now I find all ways of exiting the level get locked when someone invades.

rossism · 14-07-2009 11:51am

L31mr0d wrote: »

The game does seem glitchy in places. The vendor in 4.2, does he only sell a limited number of "white sticky stuff". I bought 2 of them off him, then when I went back he wasn't selling them any more. Apart from the turpentine in 1.2 I can't find weapon buffs anywhere.

Another thing, have any of you had players invade your games? It's really starting to ruin it for me, as I spend so long without using a stone of ephemeral eyes, then when I do so I can stop using the cling ring, someone busts into my games and kills me outright with one hit from some unholy weapon. So I can't even revive myself now for fear of getting locked into the game to wait for some asshat to come along and kill me :mad: I also don't understand why it has to lock you in, I bought the evacuate spell specifically so I wouldn't have to fight people invading my game and now I find all ways of exiting the level get locked when someone invades.

well for weapon buffs you can kill the slugs in 4-2. The drop sticky white stuff so its worth it.

for upgrading weapons its about what upgrade you use.i have a dragon longsword+4 and its taken through most of the boss fights(i have 3 left) but at the same time my sharp schimiter+3 is useless as it adds no real magical or fire damage.

for black phantoms urbain sells a spell called banish which sends tham back to their own world. Im not sure which soul you need but i think its the pureblood soul from 5-3. the way i deal with phantoms is to go on the offensive, just throw everything you have at them as it seems the have lower defense then most.

hope some of that helps:o

rossism · 14-07-2009 3:49pm

anyone know how to get past the blue dragon in 1-4 do i have to kill it or is there another way?

AnCapaillMor · 14-07-2009 6:43pm

You don't have to kill it, but have to et past it everytime is a pain. Bring about 200 arrows, keep firing at him, have a good bow. Use heavy arrows from patches. Get him down to 50% and he'll fly off. You'll bump into him again standing over a huge archway. Get your equipment down to below 50% of the limit. Equip ring of fire resistance, use magic water veil, time his sweeps(he'll go from left to right then vice versa) and run like a mofo until you get to the door. Walk out of the door you'll be under her arch of fire(arch is too high to manually aim), look on and use your bow or magic to finih him off. She has a shed load of MP. You've killed all the other bosses? The boss boss is very close and you can't get to him unless you did the other ones? One neat trick is equip makoto or gripless to drain hp below 30%, unequip, equip the clever rats ring and you've got 50% on your attacks.

What level are you at because newgame+ is a serious step up.

Phantoms i never bother with yet, i suicide in the nexus once i get full life.

As for melee, 2 options moon winged spear with a heavy shield\armour, block and thrust, or farm darkmoon stones and build a cresent kijii or scimitr have light armour\shield(i recommend , roll and slash like a mofo. always have a bow ready for magic dudes and take them from a distance(in particular, fat ministers and those gits from Latria).

PS very handy tip, its possible to kill the 1st maneater through the fog with a bow and arrow, walk right up against the fog, do not enter, move to the right of the archway and fire to your hearts content.

rossism · 14-07-2009 11:15pm

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

You've killed all the other bosses? The boss boss is very close and you can't get to him unless you did the other ones? One neat trick is equip makoto or gripless to drain hp below 30%, unequip, equip the clever rats ring and you've got 50% on your attacks.

What level are you at because newgame+ is a serious step up.

yes ive killed all other bosses and im currently soul level 87 but ill continue levelling up till im abou 100 or so.

AnCapaillMor · 15-07-2009 1:55am

Whats your will level at? and did you use the yellow demons soul yet? Thirst(requires yellow demons soul and yuria) is very handy for leveling up, it add's 50% to the souls you've earned for 60 seconds. 4-3 and the flying manta's is the quickest place to get souls in 60 seconds. You'll get around 40K per run. equip ring of avarice as well. On newgame+, i'm getting around 60k per run.

L31mr0d · 15-07-2009 12:06pm

Yeah phantoms are really starting to piss me off. I'm going to start killing myself as well in the nexus before starting a level that I haven't killed the demon in.

If you want to suffer some serious ganking, play 4.2. Without fail everytime I enter that level now alive a phantom breaks in and starts griefing :mad: it's a joke.

I guess they pick that level because a lot of people use it for farming, it also has loads of cliff face ledges and there is that trap that Hyena pushes you in to that has a NPC phantom also, so you'd be fighting 2 of them. It's a pain because I like being alive for the sound of my armour rattling when I run and roll, also it means I can stop using the cling ring and use my usual combo (avarice and fragrant)

Quick question, is there a male version of the silver bracelet you get in 3.1?

rossism · 15-07-2009 12:35pm

i spent the yellow soul on one-time revival as old hero was really frustrating.My willpowers 25.

and leimrod just play in offline mode.No black phantoms invading:cool:

L31mr0d · 15-07-2009 1:26pm

rossism wrote: »

leimrod just play in offline mode.No black phantoms invading:cool:

well yeah, I could, but I actually like reading the messages and watching how people died :pac:. It's saved me a few times from walking off a blind ledge.

AnCapaillMor · 15-07-2009 7:01pm

Just don't revive yourself, i spend 98% of the time in soul form, then again i'm not much of a magic user.

rossism · 15-07-2009 7:07pm

Prefer body form.Only because i can have more health, and equip a ring other than cling ring for once.

And on another note, can anything be bought from the blue dragons soul or should i consume it.

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