Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

14-06-2021 10:16pm

Lord_Slong2 wrote: »

From what I’ve gathered it’s in circumstances that the Gardai are searching somewhere with a warrant, they can then demand all devices to be opened there and then. If the suspect fails to adhere to the demand that’s when legal issues will arise.

So it’s only for houses with warrants and not for strip searches and stopping lads on the street/in cars ?

crooked cockney villain · 14-06-2021 10:31pm

theballz wrote: »

Nicola tallant podcast on fat Freddie is very good

Fcuk me he’s a horrible bag of sh*te, seen a few on here claiming he’s on strung out on Bobby now inside - is that true?

It seems a bit mad alright. You grow up in an area where you see the damage it causes, probably had numerous childhood friends sucked into it, you spend 20 odd years trafficking the stuff knowing how dangerous it would be to be tempted to use it, then you hit 40 odd years old and you're so depressed you say fcuk it I'm game for some. Mad carry on.

Is there any/ many people who have combined a prominent gangland career with a serious heroin habit? I know some of the Dunnes got addicted in the end. A few heroin addicts were referred to as members of the Westies in the media (Halpins, White, Allen) though whether these lads ever made serious money or were mere runners/ enforcers feeding a habit who weren't seriously regarded as players I don't know. Certainly the Halpin lads seem daft as a brush.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-broke-yankee-candle-over-the-head-of-beauty-salon-robber-as-she-was-getting-her-nails-done-34482300.html

Halpin was wearing a scarf over his face but a customer, Emma Kelly, recognised him...... Halpin raised the knife above his head and said “back off Emma.”

:pac::pac::pac:

stingrayed · 14-06-2021 10:33pm

Kaisersosay wrote: »

If you were tasked with convicting the South American Cartels of selling drugs surely you would be looking at their customers, the big bulk buyers around the world, as part of your investigations.
DK, and his buying group, by all accounts buy by the tonne. Pallet loads. Europol and the DEA would be sharing info weekly if not daily.

So I think it would be fair to say the American authorities would have huge knowledge of the individual in question. I'd even go as far as to suggest that they would have surveillance on him. He's a major player in Europe.

Could have not put it better, Encro, Skyecc, An0m and No1BC are just the start to cartels including the K,s coming down hard and for long spells in prison, the phones are hot and they are all petrified.

Jinglejangle69 · 14-06-2021 10:42pm

Lord_Slong2 wrote: »

This law will be challenged in the Court of Human Rights. There’s no way it won’t be amended. A mobile phone has so much sensitive data that the Gardai have no right to access. It will just take one person to say that Gardai were making snide comments on their personal photos and a whole can of worms opens

So do computers and laptops but that doesn't stop them

Omackeral · 14-06-2021 10:57pm

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

Certainly the Halpin lads seem daft as a brush.

Gerry is nuts, did a few crazy strokes in Birmingham and some bad bad stuff. Out of it on Crystal Meth at one stage and all. His mot is arguably madder...

Lord_Slong2 · 14-06-2021 11:18pm

Fedcba321 wrote: »

So it’s only for houses with warrants and not for strip searches and stopping lads on the street/in cars ?

From what I’ve gathered, no. They must have a valid warrant

Lord_Slong2 · 14-06-2021 11:19pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So do computers and laptops but that doesn't stop them

When I made that comment it was in relation to street searches, I wasn’t fully versed on how these new powers they have would work.

Pasor84 · 15-06-2021 12:32am

Stingtayed is and has ruined this thread, iv never claimed to know big stuff but only my end of the street, which is minute compared to others, he's a melt. Had a mate in fás who said Coates used to always give him an eight of hash on his bday for free but his eyes would literally put the fear of god in ye, only talk but no reason to not believe

Tiktokboom · 15-06-2021 1:30am

Fedcba321 wrote: »

So it’s only for houses with warrants and not for strip searches and stopping lads on the street/in cars ?

This is where it gets interesting, does it have to be online crime or are we looking at guards driving around targeting people for their mobile and passwords, using the excuse that a crime just happened close by or something, before checking their calls logs and messages and any other messaging app they might have, just hoping to find something incriminating, guaranteed some guards will chance it either way.

Witcher · 15-06-2021 1:31am

Tiktokboom wrote: »

This is where it gets interesting, does it have to be online crime or are we looking at guards driving around targeting people for their mobile and passwords, using the excuse that a crime just happened close by or something, before checking their calls logs and messages and any other messaging app they might have, just hoping to find something incriminating, guaranteed some guards will chance it either way.

If you read the actual Bill you would know the answer to that.

stingrayed · 15-06-2021 6:20am

Witcher wrote: »

If you read the actual Bill you would know the answer to that.

Ireland are just catching up on what most EU and other countries already do, you refuse a photo or fingerprints, its a crime, refuse dna test in a criminal investigation same thing, and refusing password has been going around now for quite a few years, so let us give some credit at least to Ireland, it is a small country and they did not realise until all this cartel stuff came out just how much Irish lads are important in a lot of crime elsewhere also.

giles lynchwood · 15-06-2021 7:10am

It's like Gilligan the drug's are a mean's to an end.The extreme act's of anarchy and blood on the street's of a European capital by both side's in the H/K feud cannot go unpunished in today's civil society.They will end up in court at some stage and that's where the real battle will begin.

Haladmirer · 15-06-2021 8:38am

giles lynchwood wrote: »

It's like Gilligan the drug's are a mean's to an end.The extreme act's of anarchy and blood on the street's of a European capital by both side's in the H/K feud cannot go unpunished in today's civil society.They will end up in court at some stage and that's where the real battle will begin.

Thats why gerry was always on a loser with the regency
Even if he got dk,he was always going to end up on the run or in a cell

theballz · 15-06-2021 8:46am

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

It seems a bit mad alright. You grow up in an area where you see the damage it causes, probably had numerous childhood friends sucked into it, you spend 20 odd years trafficking the stuff knowing how dangerous it would be to be tempted to use it, then you hit 40 odd years old and you're so depressed you say fcuk it I'm game for some. Mad carry on.

Is there any/ many people who have combined a prominent gangland career with a serious heroin habit? I know some of the Dunnes got addicted in the end. A few heroin addicts were referred to as members of the Westies in the media (Halpins, White, Allen) though whether these lads ever made serious money or were mere runners/ enforcers feeding a habit who weren't seriously regarded as players I don't know. Certainly the Halpin lads seem daft as a brush.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-broke-yankee-candle-over-the-head-of-beauty-salon-robber-as-she-was-getting-her-nails-done-34482300.html

:pac::pac::pac:

I think it says more about Freddie than it does his situation.

Admittedly I’ve never done any time, the only run in I’ve had with the law was being caught with an ounce of hash when I was 15. A few penalty points along the way, that’s about it - so I’m reluctant to judge anyone who is inside struggling with the time.

However, there are rehabilitation programmes inside, there is a gym and plenty of opportunities to better yourself. Even Christy took the time to learn some languages and I believe a degree in law - from the little I understand, most people serving time are given the option to do exactly the same.

Freddie choose a different route, he is scum through and through

theballz · 15-06-2021 8:49am

Haladmirer wrote: »

Thats why gerry was always on a loser with the regency
Even if he got dk,he was always going to end up on the run or in a cell

Not saying you are wrong but what makes you say that?

Would CK have taken to the streets to avenge his sons dead (had it of happened?) or is he smart enough to know it was expected?

Christy is not as close to the day to day runnings as he once was

ohnonotgmail · 15-06-2021 8:57am

theballz wrote: »

Not saying you are wrong but what makes you say that?

Would CK have taken to the streets to avenge his sons dead (had it of happened?) or is he smart enough to know it was expected?

Christy is not as close to the day to day runnings as he once was

you think Christy would have just let it go?

giles lynchwood · 15-06-2021 10:17am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you think Christy would have just let it go?

Not a chance but he would not have a bull in a china shop.Gerry made the biggest miscalculation of his career,once there was a paramilitary element involved,whereas if they had been shot on the street,just another two unsolved murder's.

Haladmirer · 15-06-2021 11:03am

theballz wrote: »

Not saying you are wrong but what makes you say that?

Would CK have taken to the streets to avenge his sons dead (had it of happened?) or is he smart enough to know it was expected?

Christy is not as close to the day to day runnings as he once was

If gerry got dk or not,he would still be on the run now in the same situation as he is,on run or in cell
State was never going to let an attack like that go and he should have known that

Figel Narage · 15-06-2021 11:21am

theballz wrote: »

I think it says more about Freddie than it does his situation.

Admittedly I’ve never done any time, the only run in I’ve had with the law was being caught with an ounce of hash when I was 15. A few penalty points along the way, that’s about it - so I’m reluctant to judge anyone who is inside struggling with the time.

However, there are rehabilitation programmes inside, there is a gym and plenty of opportunities to better yourself. Even Christy took the time to learn some languages and I believe a degree in law - from the little I understand, most people serving time are given the option to do exactly the same.

Freddie choose a different route, he is scum through and through

Yeah in fairness in a way you have to respect CK from where he was to where he ended up. Clearly had a strategy and plan, I can't think of many who learned Spanish, Dutch (Maybe Russian and some Arabic too) and also got a masters in prison, stayed low key and was largely unknown by the general public prior to maybe 15-12 years ago. You can't be unambitious or lazy to do those things. I also heard he was a heroin addict prior to his first long stretch in prison. Contrast that with FF who was a total oaf in comparison and treated as such by the higher ups after a while and was probably saved by the fact he was related to people who were a bit more influential.

Pinoy adventure · 15-06-2021 11:40am

Poor mr nobody getting more time added on,as well as his mrs & bit on the side.
Was he part of the bomb squad and got sucked in by DK or was it all on bombers side ?

theballz · 15-06-2021 12:29pm

giles lynchwood wrote: »

Not a chance but he would not have a bull in a china shop.Gerry made the biggest miscalculation of his career,once there was a paramilitary element involved,whereas if they had been shot on the street,just another two unsolved murder's.

Well this is the thing.

Monk is known as an intelligent criminal, doesnt drink or so drugs etc. Was Garys life that important to him that he thought he could get away with it?

It was lose lose for him regardless and with the aftermath resulting in many of his family/friends being done you can bet your life he regrets it.

Joeseph Balls · 15-06-2021 1:29pm

theballz wrote: »

Well this is the thing.

Monk is known as an intelligent criminal, doesnt drink or so drugs etc. Was Garys life that important to him that he thought he could get away with it?

It was his own life that was important. Would the regency have happened when it did if it wasn't for the attempt in the pub at new years?

giles lynchwood · 15-06-2021 2:43pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

It was his own life that was important. Would the regency have happened when it did if it wasn't for the attempt in the pub at new years?

Very well said.I wonder does DK regret the 4 mil.

RoosterCogburn · 15-06-2021 3:23pm

theballz wrote: »

Well this is the thing.

Monk is known as an intelligent criminal, doesnt drink or so drugs etc. Was Garys life that important to him that he thought he could get away with it?

It was lose lose for him regardless and with the aftermath resulting in many of his family/friends being done you can bet your life he regrets it.

I heard he enjoys a few pints, wouldn't be surprised if he did a bitta sniff, he lived a life of crime and his family lived off the back of that name and destroyed plenty of lives, take away the nickname and the mythical figure the media have created and he's just any criminal on the run

15-06-2021 3:44pm

RoosterCogburn wrote: »

I heard he enjoys a few pints, wouldn't be surprised if he did a bitta sniff, he lived a life of crime and his family lived off the back of that name and destroyed plenty of lives, take away the nickname and the mythical figure the media have created and he's just any criminal on the run

Doubt it, plenty of men of his age / era get absolutely gee eyed on the drink but detest drugs and drug users.

OzBhoy88 · 15-06-2021 3:47pm

giles lynchwood wrote: »

Very well said.I wonder does DK regret the 4 mil.

Every single person involved in the feud would regret it. Hutch’s have lost many, monk on run, NIC community torn apart. Byrnes have lost a son, bomber facing years, 80 odd cartel members locked up, Kinahans exiled in Dubai. Dk wife missed her own mother’s funeral. And every single one of them is constantly looking over there shoulders and wondering what’s coming for them. Nobody wins in feuds and they are terrible for business.

stingrayed · 15-06-2021 3:49pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

It was his own life that was important. Would the regency have happened when it did if it wasn't for the attempt in the pub at new years?

Aye exactly that, and if DK and FF did not hire village idiots to do their hits like frizzy etc, he could have blamed the real hit on the russians or turks, like he normally does after stabbing someone in the back.

Noseygit · 15-06-2021 4:06pm

theballz wrote: »

Well this is the thing.

Monk is known as an intelligent criminal, doesnt drink or so drugs etc. Was Garys life that important to him that he thought he could get away with it?

It was lose lose for him regardless and with the aftermath resulting in many of his family/friends being done you can bet your life he regrets it.

He does drink

GangstaCat · 15-06-2021 6:02pm

Noseygit wrote: »

He does drink

Pissed out of his head in Lanzarote on the regular

GangstaCat · 15-06-2021 6:04pm

MrMedium wrote: »

I assume the person laundering money in Australia and being sent to South America in the article on Giller is Fran Fennell?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/gardai-warn-dublin-godfather-crime-24284061.amp

Yep and Big has already replaced him a new guy who is out in Venezuela

Kaisersosay · 15-06-2021 8:12pm

Figel Narage wrote: »

Yeah in fairness in a way you have to respect CK from where he was to where he ended up. Clearly had a strategy and plan, I can't think of many who learned Spanish, Dutch (Maybe Russian and some Arabic too) and also got a masters in prison, stayed low key and was largely unknown by the general public prior to maybe 15-12 years ago. You can't be unambitious or lazy to do those things.

Ehhhh?... No.

You don't have to respect him one bit.

I couldn't care less if he got a PhD in prison and learnt 10 languages. The man sold Heroin...I'll say it again... Heroin to enrich his bank balance and in the process ruined countless lives in Dublin and beyond.

He deserves to be in prison for the rest of his days. He deserves ZERO respect in my opinion.

stingrayed · 15-06-2021 9:33pm

Kaisersosay wrote: »

Ehhhh?... No.

You don't have to respect him one bit.

I couldn't care less if he got a PhD in prison and learnt 10 languages. The man sold Heroin...I'll say it again... Heroin to enrich his bank balance and in the process ruined countless lives in Dublin and beyond.

He deserves to be in prison for the rest of his days. He deserves ZERO respect in my opinion.

And anyone else that deals in death.

15-06-2021 9:33pm

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/cash-designer-goods-and-car-among-assets-seized-in-cab-raids-in-four-counties-40543443.html who were cab raiding this morning

theballz · 15-06-2021 9:57pm

Fedcba321 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/cash-designer-goods-and-car-among-assets-seized-in-cab-raids-in-four-counties-40543443.html who were cab raiding this morning

Only ears would wear them sh*te runners. They’ve got diamonds on them who the fcuk else would wear that horror?

Justin Credible Darts · 15-06-2021 10:19pm

theballz wrote: »

Only ears would wear them sh*te runners. They’ve got diamonds on them who the fcuk else would wear that horror?

"luxury goods"...looks like something a immature child would wear.

Figel Narage · 15-06-2021 10:43pm

Kaisersosay wrote: »

Ehhhh?... No.

You don't have to respect him one bit.

I couldn't care less if he got a PhD in prison and learnt 10 languages. The man sold Heroin...I'll say it again... Heroin to enrich his bank balance and in the process ruined countless lives in Dublin and beyond.

He deserves to be in prison for the rest of his days. He deserves ZERO respect in my opinion.

Fair enough, maybe respect was the wrong word. He had more ambition than the average dealer

crooked cockney villain · 15-06-2021 10:44pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Gerry is nuts, did a few crazy strokes in Birmingham and some bad bad stuff.

Do tell.

One of their sister's seems to be mates with JOC's mrs, even commented welcome home when he got out, which is strange as not along ago a relative of theirs was telling the papers he was harassing the whole family because he wrongly believed they had a hand on the attempt on him at the pigeon club.

Out of it on Crystal Meth at one stage and all. His mot is arguably madder...

Irish junkies are something else. Destroy their life from the 90's with heroin and instead of at least restricting themselves to that, when something new comes on the market (meth, crack, snow blow) ah I'll give that a go.

Jeff2 · 15-06-2021 10:48pm

Figel Narage wrote: »

Fair enough, maybe respect was the wrong word. He had more ambition than the average dealer

If only he put his smarts to legitimate business then he and his sons could be living it up here instead of hiding away in no mans land.

All went down hill with Danny ego.

Jeff2 · 16-06-2021 2:25am

Can't wait for a the headline that says suspect excepted on electric scooter.

RoosterCogburn · 16-06-2021 6:20am

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

Do tell.

Irish junkies are something else. Destroy their life from the 90's with heroin and instead of at least restricting themselves to that, when something new comes on the market (meth, crack, snow blow) ah I'll give that a go.

Irish junkies? 😂Restricting themselves to one drug for what? Moral reasons 😂

RoosterCogburn · 16-06-2021 10:43am

Any word on when Tommy Hinchon is supposed to be released?

Noseygit · 16-06-2021 1:07pm

Caught with a mobile a while back so that will probably slow him down.

theballz · 16-06-2021 2:25pm

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

irish junkies are something else. Destroy their life from the 90's with heroin and instead of at least restricting themselves to that, when something new comes on the market (meth, crack, snow blow) ah I'll give that a go.

Junkies from any country will be the same mate.

Heroin won’t fix their personal issues, they will always try new highs when you’re suffering to that extent

Halenvaneddie · 16-06-2021 3:11pm

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

Do tell.

One of their sister's seems to be mates with JOC's mrs, even commented welcome home when he got out, which is strange as not along ago a relative of theirs was telling the papers he was harassing the whole family because he wrongly believed they had a hand on the attempt on him at the pigeon club.

Irish junkies are something else. Destroy their life from the 90's with heroin and instead of at least restricting themselves to that, when something new comes on the market (meth, crack, snow blow) ah I'll give that a go.

I don’t think it’s exclusive to Irish addicts

Eyes1 · 16-06-2021 5:03pm

stingrayed wrote: »

either DK invited the who,s who of drugs murder guns etc to his wedding to get tracked down on behalf of the DEA or he is the dumbest of the dumb, and his downfall will be forthcoming, they are going through a lot of phone stuff, and when they have enough to send him to supermax, offski he will go like El Chapo.

Well the fact he's still walking around as free as a bird shows he's definitely not that.

No convictions, no firm case against him, no charges pending it seems and no sign of deportation. However he has managed to do it (Hmmm) it's working for him.

I'm not convinced he'll ever be done. They couldn't get him at the height of a blood thirsty feud in their own back garden ffs.

Eyes1 · 16-06-2021 5:15pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

From a legal perspective civil cases make no difference to the FBI or DEA. This is a minor argument over a boxer. Don't make it to be more than it is.

Which will no doubt get resolved with a few hundred thousand $'s fine and the show goes on.

Eyes1 · 16-06-2021 5:21pm

Halenvaneddie wrote: »

If you are dumb enough to leave incriminating stuff on your phone, that’s on you

Pictures of your children that are of no concern to others?

Pics of your Mrs' diddys she sent you or better or even a small stash of pics of your mickey you send to birds now and again when requested to.

It's private stuff. End of.

This ruling will be abused no end.

Halenvaneddie · 16-06-2021 5:26pm

Eyes1 wrote: »

Pictures of your children that are of no concern to others?

Pics of your Mrs' diddys she sent you or better or even a small stash of pics of your mickey you send to birds now and again when requested to.

It's private stuff. End of.

This ruling will be abused no end.

Yep, you’re not wrong there

Eyes1 · 16-06-2021 5:35pm

Halenvaneddie wrote: »

Yep, you’re not wrong there

A simple I can't remember the code as I'm panicking will suffice.

Try it 10 different times and the phone will go back to factory settings anyway

16-06-2021 6:18pm

Eyes1 wrote: »

A simple I can't remember the code as I'm panicking will suffice.

Try it 10 different times and the phone will go back to factory settings anyway

Unless it writes over the data then that's fairly irrelevant. When you delete a file, it just deleted the pointer to it. The bits (1s and 0s) are all flipped in the same combination until data is written over that address again. Its not hard at all to view 'deleted' things on a storage device

Gangland Shootings part 4 - Read OP before posting - updated 30/12/23

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