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    #2132
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Bernard Laporte confirmed the signing of Quade Cooper to local press yesterday. The signing should be announced officially after the Champions Cup final.

    So as it stands Toulon could name these two backlines:

    Tillous-Borde, Cooper, Habana, Nonu, Bastareaud, Nalaga, Halfpenny

    Pelissié, Michalak, Mitchell, Giteau, Mermoz, Tuisova, Delon

    Mental.


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    #2133
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    Looks like an expensive squad alright....

    Salary Cap must be very strictly enforced o'er there...


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    #2134
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Looks like an expensive squad alright....

    Salary Cap must be very strictly enforced o'er there...

    Even though they are under contract, I'd say Michalak and Mermoz will be leaving.


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    #2135
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Even though they are under contract, I'd say Michalak and Mermoz will be leaving.

    A blow to Toulon, two players who could be paid their first €100k outside of the cap.


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    #2136
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A blow to Toulon, two players who could be paid their first €100k outside of the cap.
    I'm not sure if they are in the France 30 or not.

    In fairness I'd say the rules are strictly enforced over. The DNACG is the financial watchdog and they have relegated clubs before that have fallen foul of the rules.


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    #2137
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I'm not sure if they are in the France 30 or not.

    In fairness I'd say the rules are strictly enforced over. The DNACG is the financial watchdog and they have relegated clubs before that have fallen foul of the rules.

    Boujadel explained very straightforwardly how they get around the cap.

    Wilkinson was paid his Toulon wage for playing rugby, which sits inside the cap. Then Toulon's 'partners' also employ Johnny for media deals and sponsorship opportunities.

    Wilkinson's Bank Account
    Toulon Wages - €100k
    'Toulon Partners' Wages - €X00k

    Think about Sexton's 'package' from Leinster/DOB.


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    #2138
    thomond2006
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    Thanks emmet. I'm sure Dan Carter's deal involves the same!

    Btw Cooper has actually been confirmed on Toulon's website.


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    #2139
    Fireball07
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Bernard Laporte confirmed the signing of Quade Cooper to local press yesterday. The signing should be announced officially after the Champions Cup final.

    So as it stands Toulon could name these two backlines:

    Tillous-Borde, Cooper, Habana, Nonu, Bastareaud, Nalaga, Halfpenny

    Pelissié, Michalak, Mitchell, Giteau, Mermoz, Tuisova, Delon

    Mental.


    Nalaga is going to Toulon too?


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    #2140
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Nalaga is going to Toulon too?
    Yes


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    #2141
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Boujadel explained very straightforwardly how they get around the cap.

    Wilkinson was paid his Toulon wage for playing rugby, which sits inside the cap. Then Toulon's 'partners' also employ Johnny for media deals and sponsorship opportunities.

    Wilkinson's Bank Account
    Toulon Wages - €100k
    'Toulon Partners' Wages - €X00k

    Think about Sexton's 'package' from Leinster/DOB.

    They wany to bring that under the cap but it's a nightmare to legislate for and enforce.


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    #2142
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    They wany to bring that under the cap but it's a nightmare to legislate for and enforce.

    It's practically impossible.


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    #2143
    Sangre
    Registered Users Posts: 12,152 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's practically impossible.
    It wouldn't be that hard to make a pretty good go at it. Widen the net of relevant bodies to include related companies and affiliates. Include all 'tied' compensation provided to the player by any related (defined very very widely) body that is considered an inducement to player for them to play for team i.e. the player wouldn't have joined with X 'sponshorship. You're never going to tackle it unless you try. Sure there may still be some ways to get around but you could at least limit impact.

    As this isn't a strictly legal matter, the burden of evidence won't need to be very high.


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    #2144
    RuggieBear
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    So. I thought I would bring my 4year old nephew to his first rugby match, sale sharks vs harlequins....and I discover that Wayne bloody Barnes is reffing!


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    #2145
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Sangre wrote: »
    It wouldn't be that hard to make a pretty good go at it. Widen the net of relevant bodies to include related companies and affiliates. Include all 'tied' compensation provided to the player by any related (defined very very widely) body that is considered an inducement to player for them to play for team i.e. the player wouldn't have joined with X 'sponshorship. You're never going to tackle it unless you try. Sure there may still be some ways to get around but you could at least limit impact.

    As this isn't a strictly legal matter, the burden of evidence won't need to be very high.

    Which is exactly how they do it in the AP. But the extent to which it works isn't very clear at all.


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    #2146
    Stheno
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    RuggieBear wrote: »
    So. I thought I would bring my 4year old nephew to his first rugby match, sale sharks vs harlequins....and I discover that Wayne bloody Barnes is reffing!

    Im still laughing at the outrage emanating from your post :)


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    #2147
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Leicester 7-10 London Welsh; HT at Welford Road.

    No, you are not seeing things.


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    #2148
    matthew8
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    My initial reaction was Leicester must have been playing with 13 players. I'd even have been surprised for a 14 man Leicester to be losing.


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    #2149
    Stheno
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    Anyone read the article about Victor o'Connell in the Irish Times today?


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    #2150
    The Lost Sheep
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Anyone read the article about Victor o'Connell in the Irish Times today?
    No. Do you have a link to it?

    Bristol beat Worcester in final round of RFU Championship today. Bristol top, Worcester second. Both will end up meeting in the final. Cant see Rotherham or London Scottish surprising either in the two legged semis. First leg of the semi finals are next Saturday


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    #2151
    matthew8
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    Bristol and Worcester has to be the best promotion challenge in recent memory, you'd imagine both would have a great chance at staying up. Between them they have only managed 2 losses to the rest of the league in 40 games, with a try bonus almost every single match. At 30-26 you would imagine it was a good game, their match earlier in the season was an absolute cracker. Bristol could rue not taking their chance last year against London Welsh but they're probably marginal favourites this year.


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    #2152
    Interested Observer
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    http://sport.bt.com/sport-hurts/halaufia-sent-off-for-shoving-rivals-head-into-ground-91363977720013

    Region locked to the UK but this is Chris Hala'ufia getting sent off today, just outright thuggery.


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    #2153
    BBDBB
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    RuggieBear wrote: »
    So. I thought I would bring my 4year old nephew to his first rugby match, sale sharks vs harlequins....and I discover that Wayne bloody Barnes is reffing!




    Surely something that brutal and upsetting should have an 18 rating?


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    #2154
    Burr10
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    http://sport.bt.com/sport-hurts/halaufia-sent-off-for-shoving-rivals-head-into-ground-91363977720013

    Region locked to the UK but this is Chris Hala'ufia getting sent off today, just outright thuggery.

    Typical Hala'ufia really, the guy has been cheapshotting people for years, including slapping the face of someone he tackled earlier this season. His 'tackle' on Olly Morgan a few years ago was particularly awful.

    I really don't like players like him playing and game and hope he gets a nice long ban.


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    #2155
    razorblunt
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    http://sport.bt.com/sport-hurts/halaufia-sent-off-for-shoving-rivals-head-into-ground-91363977720013

    Region locked to the UK but this is Chris Hala'ufia getting sent off today, just outright thuggery.

    Scumbag, that's the second incident following his attempted cheek slap after smashing a Newcastle player (though that tackle was legal I believe), not to mention his previous indiscretions.


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    #2156
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    I can't see the vid but Hala'ufia has 12 yellows and 2 reds in 89+21 games in the Aviva!!


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    #2157
    razorblunt
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I can't see the vid but Hala'ufia has 12 yellows and 2 reds in 89+21 games in the Aviva!!

    It was a shocker, he put a big hit on the Leicester player who stayed down, as he was over him Hala'ufia then pushed his head into the ground as he was getting up.


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    #2158
    aimee1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭aimee1


    Brendan fanning has an article in the sindo about the suta choke hold last week, the picture wit the article makes me sick. Its up there with calum clark breaking a players arm a few years ago. How he didnt get cited i dont know. Disgusting behaviour, the look on suta's is a disgrace.


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    #2159
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Dunno if I'd go as far as comparing it to Clarke. Would have happily seen a lifetime ban for that tbh.

    I do find it disturbing it wasn't cited though.


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    #2160
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Some great games across the leagues next weekend, after what is basically a weekend off for the Champions Cup final (which noone is going to go to).

    In the Pro 12, Ulster play Munster AND Glasgow play Ospreys. That's basically the top 4 all playing each other.

    In the Premiership, Saracens play Exeter and Wasps play Leicester. Both big games between team who aren't guaranteed playoff positions. Those teams are 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th and are seperated by 5 points.

    The Top 14 is a little less exciting, but the Pro 12 and Premiership will be great to watch. Use that incentive to get you through this weekend... :/


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    #2161
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Some great games across the leagues next weekend, after what is basically a weekend off for the Champions Cup final (which noone is going to go to).

    In the Pro 12, Ulster play Munster AND Glasgow play Ospreys. That's basically the top 4 all playing each other.

    In the Premiership, Saracens play Exeter and Wasps play Leicester. Both big games between team who aren't guaranteed playoff positions. Those teams are 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th and are seperated by 5 points.

    The Top 14 is a little less exciting, but the Pro 12 and Premiership will be great to watch. Use that incentive to get you through this weekend... :/

    And for the small coterie of SXV-philes that inhabit this forum, a few crunch games there too, not least the excitement-plus Canes v the Crusaders.


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