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A/R 5k TT 25th April ‘20.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|Adjusted
    ReeReeG|F|22:30||
    Hedgehoggy|F35|20:30||
    career move|F35|21:20||
    laura_ac3|F35|||
    Laineyfrecks|F40|20:30||
    Sussex18|F40|22:00||
    ariana’|F40|23:30||
    Bluesquare|F40|25:00||
    Younganne|F45|28:00||
    Annie get your Run|F45|29:00||
    juke|F50|||
    Damo2k9|M|||
    KSU|M|||
    deconduo|M|24:00||
    pconn062|M|17:48||
    yiddo 1882|M|19:50||
    Dudda|M35|18:00||
    justdoit|M35|19:20||
    duffyshuffle|M35|19:59||
    healy1835|M35|17:05||
    djemba djemba|M35|||
    Mellow Yellow26.2|M35|17:59||
    Butterbeans|M35|||
    Swashbuckler|M35|18:15||
    Guill|M35|||
    Omeceron|M35|21:59||
    racersedge|M35|21:30||
    Lambay Island|M35|17:45||
    quick feet|M35|18:45||
    IvoryTower|M35|19:25||
    diego_b|M35|22:00||
    Dubh G|M35|18:30||
    dickidy|M35|||
    token56|M35|21:00||
    Clash City Rocker|M35|17:59||
    zico10|M35|||
    OOnegative|M40|||
    shotgunmcos|M40|19:47||
    ComicBookGuy|M40|||
    average_runner|M40|21:20||
    Zebra3|M40|22:30||
    Marty Bird|M40|||
    adrian522|M40|25:00||
    66_Lad|M40|||
    dangerous quack|M40|18:45||
    Treviso|M40|17:59||
    Lazare|M40|19:50||
    mister paul|M40|19:48||
    ofthelord|M40|21:00||
    Singer|M40|19:59||
    spc78|M40|17:45||
    jamule|M45|17:45||
    krusty_clown|M45|17:30||
    coogy|M45|19:30||
    MrSkinny|M45|20:00||
    WubbleWubble|M45|21:30||
    Slow_Runner|M45|19:59||
    AuldManKing|M45|17:49||
    DeepBlue|M45|20:50||
    Sideswipe|M45|19:29||
    Kurt Godel|M45|21:00||
    ultrapercy|M45|16:59||
    Itziger|M50|18:30||
    skyblue46|M50|20:00||
    snailsong|M50|20:00||
    dna_leri|M50|17:30||
    MisterDrak|M50|20:50||
    Speedy44|M50|||
    TFBubendorfer|M50|21:00||
    EnPassant|M55|||
    Murph_D|M55|||
    Crisco10|M|19:10||
    wookiesleep|M40|19:45||
    MisterJinx|M40|||


    Added ultrapercy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    After doing a couple of workouts (disclaimer: I was on a 5k training plan for a week already before this TT popped up) I want to change my target time to 20:00, albeit with an asterisk.

    Why the asterisk, you ask? Because I'm planning on running this on a treadmill and a) I cannot guarantee how accurate my footpod is and b) I'm pretty sure 5k race pace on a treadmill is easier than 5k race pace on the road.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    After doing a couple of workouts (disclaimer: I was on a 5k training plan for a week already before this TT popped up) I want to change my target time to 20:00, albeit with an asterisk.

    Why the asterisk, you ask? Because I'm planning on running this on a treadmill and a) I cannot guarantee how accurate my footpod is and b) I'm pretty sure 5k race pace on a treadmill is easier than 5k race pace on the road.

    Rules clearly state road only..........

    Joking, actually be interested to see your result on the treadmill.


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    The majority of the people here are marathon road runners, it's good to try out something different. Bring the pain :)

    Having done a mile TT a week ago myself, I can indeed confirm the pain :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭Itziger


    I take it we're applying the plus 4% rule to any fancy b0llix wearing CheaterShoes. So a 20 minute run would be (gimme a couple a mins here).............. 20.48 if my maths (and Google) are right.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Itziger wrote: »
    I take it we're applying the plus 4% rule to any fancy b0llix wearing CheaterShoes. So a 20 minute run would be (gimme a couple a mins here).............. 20.48 if my maths (and Google) are right.

    Nope, no handicaps of any kind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭Itziger


    OOnegative wrote: »
    Nope, no handicaps of any kind.

    Joke shop, m8, fooking joke shop.



















    Off to check that the Vapoflys are still in the bag.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Itziger wrote: »
    Joke shop, m8, fooking joke shop.



















    Off to check that the Vapoflys are still in the bag.

    You still using your daughter to pace so you can draft off her on her bike.........


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭Itziger


    OOnegative wrote: »
    You still using your daughter to pace so you can draft off her on her bike.........

    My daughters, all 3 of 'em, would quickly tell me where to go and how to get there if I so much as asked, the young fella on the other hand..... Boys are so much easier *sigh*.

    I'm rethinking his role exshelly. I might ask him now to do a li'll video of the start, maybe the turn around (he can cycle ahead of me) and the finish.

    What about it folks? If you have children (or a partner......) you can easily and cheaply bribe we could have video evidence in the case of reclamations and disputes. Or just to record our superb 5k efforts for posterity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭Ecoenergy


    Good idea for a bit of motivation.
    I’m afraid of making a mess of that table so would someone mind adding me please??
    M45 and predicting 19.45- optimistically
    I’ve joined the strava group.
    Thanks


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Ecoenergy wrote: »
    Good idea for a bit of motivation.
    I’m afraid of making a mess of that table so would someone mind adding me please??
    M45 and predicting 19.45- optimistically
    I’ve joined the strava group.
    Thanks

    PM a name please


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|Adjusted
    ReeReeG|F|22:30||
    Hedgehoggy|F35|20:30||
    career move|F35|21:20||
    laura_ac3|F35|||
    Laineyfrecks|F40|20:30||
    Sussex18|F40|22:00||
    ariana’|F40|23:30||
    Bluesquare|F40|25:00||
    Younganne|F45|28:00||
    Annie get your Run|F45|29:00||
    juke|F50|||
    Damo2k9|M|||
    KSU|M|||
    deconduo|M|24:00||
    pconn062|M|17:48||
    yiddo 1882|M|19:50||
    Dudda|M35|18:00||
    justdoit|M35|19:20||
    duffyshuffle|M35|19:59||
    healy1835|M35|17:05||
    djemba djemba|M35|||
    Mellow Yellow26.2|M35|17:59||
    Butterbeans|M35|||
    Swashbuckler|M35|18:15||
    Guill|M35|||
    Omeceron|M35|21:59||
    racersedge|M35|21:30||
    Lambay Island|M35|17:45||
    quick feet|M35|18:45||
    IvoryTower|M35|19:25||
    diego_b|M35|22:00||
    Dubh G|M35|18:30||
    dickidy|M35|||
    token56|M35|21:00||
    Clash City Rocker|M35|17:59||
    zico10|M35|||
    OOnegative|M40|||
    shotgunmcos|M40|19:47||
    ComicBookGuy|M40|||
    average_runner|M40|21:20||
    Zebra3|M40|22:30||
    Marty Bird|M40|||
    adrian522|M40|25:00||
    66_Lad|M40|||
    dangerous quack|M40|18:45||
    Treviso|M40|17:59||
    Lazare|M40|19:50||
    mister paul|M40|19:48||
    ofthelord|M40|21:00||
    Singer|M40|19:59||
    spc78|M40|17:45||
    jamule|M45|17:45||
    krusty_clown|M45|17:30||
    coogy|M45|19:30||
    MrSkinny|M45|20:00||
    WubbleWubble|M45|21:30||
    Slow_Runner|M45|19:59||
    AuldManKing|M45|17:49||
    DeepBlue|M45|20:50||
    Sideswipe|M45|19:29||
    Kurt Godel|M45|21:00||
    ultrapercy|M45|16:59||
    Ecoenergy|M45|19:45||
    Itziger|M50|18:30||
    skyblue46|M50|20:00||
    snailsong|M50|20:00||
    dna_leri|M50|17:30||
    MisterDrak|M50|20:50||
    Speedy44|M50|||
    TFBubendorfer|M50|21:00||
    EnPassant|M55|||
    Murph_D|M55|||
    Crisco10|M|19:10||
    wookiesleep|M40|19:45||
    MisterJinx|M40|||


    Added Ecoenergy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭Ecoenergy


    I’m a right Alexander Dumbass.
    I’m not 45 for another few weeks so I should be M40.

    Apologies. Is there any chance someone could change this?
    Prematurely ageing myself. 😁

    Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|Adjusted
    ReeReeG|F|22:30||
    Hedgehoggy|F35|20:30||
    career move|F35|21:20||
    laura_ac3|F35|||
    Laineyfrecks|F40|20:30||
    Sussex18|F40|22:00||
    ariana’|F40|23:30||
    Bluesquare|F40|25:00||
    Younganne|F45|28:00||
    Annie get your Run|F45|29:00||
    juke|F50|||
    Damo2k9|M|||
    KSU|M|||
    deconduo|M|24:00||
    pconn062|M|17:48||
    yiddo 1882|M|19:50||
    Dudda|M35|18:00||
    justdoit|M35|19:20||
    duffyshuffle|M35|19:59||
    healy1835|M35|17:05||
    djemba djemba|M35|||
    Mellow Yellow26.2|M35|17:59||
    Butterbeans|M35|||
    Swashbuckler|M35|18:15||
    Guill|M35|||
    Omeceron|M35|21:59||
    racersedge|M35|21:30||
    Lambay Island|M35|17:45||
    quick feet|M35|18:45||
    IvoryTower|M35|19:25||
    diego_b|M35|22:00||
    Dubh G|M35|18:30||
    dickidy|M35|||
    token56|M35|21:00||
    Clash City Rocker|M35|17:59||
    zico10|M35|||
    OOnegative|M40|||
    shotgunmcos|M40|19:47||
    ComicBookGuy|M40|||
    average_runner|M40|21:20||
    Zebra3|M40|22:30||
    Marty Bird|M40|||
    adrian522|M40|25:00||
    66_Lad|M40|||
    dangerous quack|M40|18:45||
    Treviso|M40|17:59||
    Lazare|M40|19:50||
    mister paul|M40|19:48||
    ofthelord|M40|21:00||
    Singer|M40|19:59||
    spc78|M40|17:45||
    jamule|M45|17:45||
    krusty_clown|M45|17:30||
    coogy|M45|19:30||
    MrSkinny|M45|20:00||
    WubbleWubble|M45|21:30||
    Slow_Runner|M45|19:59||
    AuldManKing|M45|17:49||
    DeepBlue|M45|20:50||
    Sideswipe|M45|19:29||
    Kurt Godel|M45|21:00||
    ultrapercy|M45|16:59||
    Ecoenergy|M45|19:45||
    Itziger|M50|18:30||
    skyblue46|M50|20:00||
    snailsong|M50|20:00||
    dna_leri|M50|17:30||
    MisterDrak|M50|20:50||
    Speedy44|M50|||
    TFBubendorfer|M50|21:00||
    EnPassant|M55|||
    Murph_D|M55|||
    Crisco10|M|19:10||
    wookiesleep|M40|19:45||
    MisterJinx|M40`
    Pherekydes|M60|32:00||


    Might as well join in the fun. Not expecting much, but at least I should win my age category, which I enter next Monday! :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|Adjusted
    ReeReeG|F|22:30||
    Hedgehoggy|F35|20:30||
    career move|F35|21:20||
    laura_ac3|F35|||
    Laineyfrecks|F40|20:30||
    Sussex18|F40|22:00||
    ariana’|F40|23:30||
    Bluesquare|F40|25:00||
    Younganne|F45|28:00||
    Annie get your Run|F45|29:00||
    juke|F50|||
    Damo2k9|M|||
    KSU|M|||
    deconduo|M|24:00||
    pconn062|M|17:48||
    yiddo 1882|M|19:50||
    Dudda|M35|18:00||
    justdoit|M35|19:20||
    duffyshuffle|M35|19:59||
    healy1835|M35|17:05||
    djemba djemba|M35|||
    Mellow Yellow26.2|M35|17:59||
    Butterbeans|M35|||
    Swashbuckler|M35|18:15||
    Guill|M35|||
    Omeceron|M35|21:59||
    racersedge|M35|21:30||
    Lambay Island|M35|17:45||
    quick feet|M35|18:45||
    IvoryTower|M35|19:25||
    diego_b|M35|22:00||
    Dubh G|M35|18:30||
    dickidy|M35|||
    token56|M35|21:00||
    Clash City Rocker|M35|17:59||
    zico10|M35|||
    OOnegative|M40|||
    shotgunmcos|M40|19:47||
    ComicBookGuy|M40|||
    average_runner|M40|21:20||
    Zebra3|M40|22:30||
    Marty Bird|M40|||
    adrian522|M40|25:00||
    66_Lad|M40|||
    dangerous quack|M40|18:45||
    Treviso|M40|17:59||
    Lazare|M40|19:50||
    mister paul|M40|19:48||
    ofthelord|M40|21:00||
    Singer|M40|19:59||
    spc78|M40|17:45||
    Ecoenergy|M40|19:45||
    jamule|M45|17:45||
    krusty_clown|M45|17:30||
    coogy|M45|19:30||
    MrSkinny|M45|20:00||
    WubbleWubble|M45|21:30||
    Slow_Runner|M45|19:59||
    AuldManKing|M45|17:49||
    DeepBlue|M45|20:50||
    Sideswipe|M45|19:29||
    Kurt Godel|M45|21:00||
    ultrapercy|M45|16:59||
    Itziger|M50|18:30||
    skyblue46|M50|20:00||
    snailsong|M50|20:00||
    dna_leri|M50|17:30||
    MisterDrak|M50|20:50||
    Speedy44|M50|||
    TFBubendorfer|M50|21:00||
    EnPassant|M55|||
    Murph_D|M55|||
    Crisco10|M|19:10||
    wookiesleep|M40|19:45||
    MisterJinx|M40`
    Pherekydes|M60|32:00||


    Adding Eco to the correct age group


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭ooter


    was going to have a bash at this but jaysus, the M45 category is the most competitive of the lot. :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,015 ✭✭✭Itziger


    ooter wrote: »
    was going to have a bash at this but jaysus, the M45 category is the most competitive of the lot. :eek:

    That's hardly a reason for not doing it though! I was thinking of doing London even though Kipchoge and Bekele were signed up as well! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    In order to win this I would need a steep downhill that would allow me to run 5.28 start to finish.

    It's not looking good.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    In order to win this I would need a steep downhill that would allow me to run 5.28 start to finish.

    It's not looking good.

    That's assuming people aren't sandbagging and end up running much faster than their predicted times.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    adrian522 wrote: »
    That's assuming people aren't sandbagging and end up running much faster than their predicted times.

    Sandbagging:eek:

    As if ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭djemba djemba


    adrian522 wrote: »
    That's assuming people aren't sandbagging and end up running much faster than their predicted times.

    I was thinking about this on a run during the week. If we ever do this again, we could add a points race.

    Everyone predicts their time. If you run to your predicted time bang on or +/- an agreed amount of seconds you get 0 points. Every second you run quicker than predicted time you get a 2 point penalty and every second over a 1 point penalty. Lowest amount of points scored the better.

    Probably lots of flaws in such an idea.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I was thinking about this on a run during the week. If we ever do this again, we could add a points race.

    Everyone predicts their time. If you run to your predicted time bang on or +/- an agreed amount of seconds you get 0 points. Every second you run quicker than predicted time you get a 2 point penalty and every second over a 1 point penalty. Lowest amount of points scored the better.

    Probably lots of flaws in such an idea.

    I think Raheny used to do something like that on a mile race or a 2 mile race, winner was whoever got closest to their predicted time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Speedy44


    OOnegative wrote: »
    Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|Adjusted
    ReeReeG|F|22:30||
    Hedgehoggy|F35|20:30||
    career move|F35|21:20||
    laura_ac3|F35|||
    Laineyfrecks|F40|20:30||
    Sussex18|F40|22:00||
    ariana’|F40|23:30||
    Bluesquare|F40|25:00||
    Younganne|F45|28:00||
    Annie get your Run|F45|29:00||
    juke|F50|||
    Damo2k9|M|||
    KSU|M|||
    deconduo|M|24:00||
    pconn062|M|17:48||
    yiddo 1882|M|19:50||
    Dudda|M35|18:00||
    justdoit|M35|19:20||
    duffyshuffle|M35|19:59||
    healy1835|M35|17:05||
    djemba djemba|M35|||
    Mellow Yellow26.2|M35|17:59||
    Butterbeans|M35|||
    Swashbuckler|M35|18:15||
    Guill|M35|||
    Omeceron|M35|21:59||
    racersedge|M35|21:30||
    Lambay Island|M35|17:45||
    quick feet|M35|18:45||
    IvoryTower|M35|19:25||
    diego_b|M35|22:00||
    Dubh G|M35|18:30||
    dickidy|M35|||
    token56|M35|21:00||
    Clash City Rocker|M35|17:59||
    zico10|M35|||
    OOnegative|M40|||
    shotgunmcos|M40|19:47||
    ComicBookGuy|M40|||
    average_runner|M40|21:20||
    Zebra3|M40|22:30||
    Marty Bird|M40|||
    adrian522|M40|25:00||
    66_Lad|M40|||
    dangerous quack|M40|18:45||
    Treviso|M40|17:59||
    Lazare|M40|19:50||
    mister paul|M40|19:48||
    ofthelord|M40|21:00||
    Singer|M40|19:59||
    spc78|M40|17:45||
    jamule|M45|17:45||
    krusty_clown|M45|17:30||
    coogy|M45|19:30||
    MrSkinny|M45|20:00||
    WubbleWubble|M45|21:30||
    Slow_Runner|M45|19:59||
    AuldManKing|M45|17:49||
    DeepBlue|M45|20:50||
    Sideswipe|M45|19:29||
    Kurt Godel|M45|21:00||
    ultrapercy|M45|16:59||
    Itziger|M50|18:30||
    skyblue46|M50|20:00||
    snailsong|M50|20:00||
    dna_leri|M50|17:30||
    MisterDrak|M50|20:50||
    Speedy44|M50|||21:59||
    TFBubendorfer|M50|21:00||
    EnPassant|M55|||
    Murph_D|M55|||
    Crisco10|M|19:10||
    wookiesleep|M40|19:45||
    MisterJinx|M40|||


    Added ultrapercy.


    Figured I'd be brave and throw in a prediction


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Speedy44


    Speedy44 wrote: »
    Figured I'd be brave and throw in a prediction


    And like I thought I would, I screwed it up :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|Adjusted
    ReeReeG|F|22:30||
    Hedgehoggy|F35|20:30||
    career move|F35|21:20||
    laura_ac3|F35|||
    Laineyfrecks|F40|20:30||
    Sussex18|F40|22:00||
    ariana’|F40|23:30||
    Bluesquare|F40|25:00||
    Younganne|F45|28:00||
    Annie get your Run|F45|29:00||
    juke|F50|||
    Damo2k9|M|||
    KSU|M|||
    deconduo|M|24:00||
    pconn062|M|17:48||
    yiddo 1882|M|19:50||
    Dudda|M35|18:00||
    justdoit|M35|19:20||
    duffyshuffle|M35|19:59||
    healy1835|M35|17:05||
    djemba djemba|M35|||
    Mellow Yellow26.2|M35|17:59||
    Butterbeans|M35|||
    Swashbuckler|M35|18:15||
    Guill|M35|||
    Omeceron|M35|21:59||
    racersedge|M35|21:30||
    Lambay Island|M35|17:45||
    quick feet|M35|18:45||
    IvoryTower|M35|19:25||
    diego_b|M35|22:00||
    Dubh G|M35|18:30||
    dickidy|M35|||
    token56|M35|21:00||
    Clash City Rocker|M35|17:59||
    zico10|M35|||
    OOnegative|M40|||
    shotgunmcos|M40|19:47||
    ComicBookGuy|M40|||
    average_runner|M40|21:20||
    Zebra3|M40|22:30||
    Marty Bird|M40|||
    adrian522|M40|25:00||
    66_Lad|M40|||
    dangerous quack|M40|18:45||
    Treviso|M40|17:59||
    Lazare|M40|19:50||
    mister paul|M40|19:48||
    ofthelord|M40|21:00||
    Singer|M40|19:59||
    spc78|M40|17:45||
    Ecoenergy|M40|19:45||
    jamule|M45|17:45||
    krusty_clown|M45|17:30||
    coogy|M45|19:30||
    MrSkinny|M45|20:00||
    WubbleWubble|M45|21:30||
    Slow_Runner|M45|19:59||
    AuldManKing|M45|17:49||
    DeepBlue|M45|20:50||
    Sideswipe|M45|19:29||
    Kurt Godel|M45|21:00||
    ultrapercy|M45|16:59||
    Itziger|M50|18:30||
    skyblue46|M50|20:00||
    snailsong|M50|20:00||
    dna_leri|M50|17:30||
    MisterDrak|M50|20:50||
    Speedy44|M50|21:59||
    TFBubendorfer|M50|21:00||
    EnPassant|M55|||
    Murph_D|M55|||
    Crisco10|M|19:10||
    wookiesleep|M40|19:45||
    MisterJinx|M40`
    Pherekydes|M60|32:00||


    Adding Speedy's time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭MrSkinny


    First speed session in months today. Went for a pyramid 200/400/600/800/1000 and back down again. Two things (that I already knew) became apparent: one, pushing yourself on your own is hard; two, I'm nowhere near 20:00 shape so definitely not sandbagging here. Bring on next Saturday! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭MrSkinny


    ooter wrote: »
    was going to have a bash at this but jaysus, the M45 category is the most competitive of the lot. :eek:
    Some of us in the M45 group will be working hard not to get lapped by the speedsters. Join us ... The more the merrier! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Lazare


    I've entered a predicted time 2 secs faster than my pb from last December.

    Do feel in shape to do it, but certainly not sandbagging.

    Never got the point of sandbagging tbh. Is it people not wanting to look foolish or what? Who cares?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Lazare wrote: »
    I've entered a predicted time 2 secs faster than my pb from last December.

    Do feel in shape to do it, but certainly not sandbagging.

    Never got the point of sandbagging tbh. Is it people not wanting to look foolish or what? Who cares?

    Maybe it is. I haven’t entered a prediction because I genuinely don’t know what to enter.

    Untested fitness x (Hilly course + TT format - race day adrenaline ) = ???


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Lazare wrote: »
    I've entered a predicted time 2 secs faster than my pb from last December.

    Do feel in shape to do it, but certainly not sandbagging.

    Never got the point of sandbagging tbh. Is it people not wanting to look foolish or what? Who cares?

    As Murph has already stated C, some people genuinely don’t know what kind of shape they are in having not raced in a while. But you have the sandbaggers like healy1835 who ran sub 17 few weeks back but reckons 17.05 is his limit.......


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