Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

papu · 28-03-2017 1:01am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eUoogLMVP0

This is a really nasty junction, cars turning right often just go for it, had a few near misses here.
It's also an area lots of cars have left hooked me on.

cython · 28-03-2017 7:08am

Cycling home through Rialto yesterday, with the OH on her first commute from her relatively new job, and the traffic is backed up as usual, so we're filtering on the left in the cycle track. Cue one clown in a Micra out of nowhere (i.e. traffic is still stationary and has been for as long as we've been nearby, so there is no reason to expect a decision to manoeuvre, and they have not bothered to indicate) electing to turn off the road, and in here. They started the turn as I was alongside, and I just got by, but rather than this near miss and my gesticulating prompting them to check the track for more cyclists, they continue, and nearly clear the OH out of it. We had one bystander (who was nearly a witness to a serious incident) shouting at us to go back and get their registration number, but given my temper at the time, no good was going to come from engaging the moron in the Micra.

Alanstrainor · 28-03-2017 10:37am

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Most passes I deal with are not to do with people not seeing me. They are to do with people who do see me, and decide to chance their arm in passing where there is no room to do so. I have 2 lights front, and 2 lights rear. I do have some highvis gear, but I don't always wear it, and I definitely don't agree with RSA's fetish for highvis clothing.

This about sums it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE0YZ-y6hKA

Call now logged with traffic watch, awaiting call back from local station.

The person who answered the call on the traffic watch line was fantastic, asked for the details of the incident (which I had a lot of!) and just said she would pass on all information to the local station. I'll keep you all posted with how I get on.

jive · 28-03-2017 10:42am

papu wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eUoogLMVP0

This is a really nasty junction, cars turning right often just go for it, had a few near misses here.
It's also an area lots of cars have left hooked me on.

To be fair, the plant pot isn't helping - I can see how the driver in the clip did not see the cyclist. It's poor driving but if you put a load of lego on the floor eventually you will step on one!

ThisRegard · 28-03-2017 11:16am

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Call now logged with traffic watch, awaiting call back from local station.

The person who answered the call on the traffic watch line was fantastic, asked for the details of the incident (which I had a lot of!) and just said she would pass on all information to the local station. I'll keep you all posted with how I get on.

Be prepared to think nothing is ever going to come of it, and weeks later get a call from a garda about it, that has been my experience of it anyway.

RacoonQueen · 28-03-2017 1:07pm

I had a mammywagon overtake me on Sunday on a bend and solid white line on Blackglen road approaching Lamb Doyles from Lambs Cross, taxi driver who came round the bend may have needed to leave his car in for cleaning. She had kids in the car too....given the speed people do along that road at the best of times it made it even more idiotic a move. If she'd met nearly any other car coming round that bend there could have been a nasty accident.

roadster5 · 28-03-2017 1:25pm

So yesterday being the beautiful day it was i decided to cycle to and from work from Swords to the Navan Road, travelling along the back of the airport. Both going into work at 07:30 and returning home in the opposite direction, at approx 17:00 i was passed by a Black Mit Pajero Cavan registered jeep, near where they are erecting the new perimeter fence for the airport. THe Jeep barely gave any clearance on both occassions. The Jeep had a "N" plate clearly displayed in the back window. Just to give anyone else using that route the heads up. I had front and rear lights and an orange night vision jacket on, so was easily visible, in broad daylight.

Tombo2001 · 28-03-2017 1:49pm

roadster5 wrote: »

So yesterday being the beautiful day it was i decided to cycle to and from work from Swords to the Navan Road, travelling along the back of the airport. Both going into work at 07:30 and returning home in the opposite direction, at approx 17:00 i was passed by a Black Mit Pajero Cavan registered jeep, near where they are erecting the new perimeter fence for the airport. THe Jeep barely gave any clearance on both occassions. The Jeep had a "N" plate clearly displayed in the back window. Just to give anyone else using that route the heads up. I had front and rear lights and an orange night vision jacket on, so was easily visible, in broad daylight.

This bit

I get so annoyed when these forum comments come up from drivers - "I would urge cyclists to wear high-viz gear" - please use your efforts to get other drivers to drive properly, instead of pinning the blame on cyclists all the time.

Chuchote · 28-03-2017 1:53pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

This bit

I get so annoyed when these forum comments come up from drivers - "I would urge cyclists to wear high-viz gear" - please use your efforts to get other drivers to drive properly, instead of pinning the blame on cyclists all the time.

Tribal, innit.

Would make a great study for an anthropologist.

TonyStark · 28-03-2017 2:23pm

Squeezed whilst out on a solo training spin on Sunday. Scary looking back on it especially when you start considering the relative distances involved.

I am happy to say it was the only incident in what was an 80km spin around North Kildare, but that's not the point. Very reckless driving, especially in comparison with the car directly behind it.

BTW: Anyone know the best way to reset the time on a Fly6?

mrcheez · 28-03-2017 3:33pm

Jesus

magicbastarder · 28-03-2017 3:47pm

the funny thing is that the car giving you more room was technically the one breaking the law, as he put his wheels over a solid white line.

shootermacg · 28-03-2017 3:57pm

TonyStark wrote: »

Squeezed whilst out on a solo training spin on Sunday. Scary looking back on it especially when you start considering the relative distances involved.

I am happy to say it was the only incident in what was an 80km spin around North Kildare, but that's not the point. Very reckless driving, especially in comparison with the car directly behind it.

BTW: Anyone know the best way to reset the time on a Fly6?

Scumbag, hope you're submitting this, that's deliberate endangerment.

Crocked · 28-03-2017 4:09pm

Crocked · 28-03-2017 4:10pm

TonyStark wrote: »

BTW: Anyone know the best way to reset the time on a Fly6?

If i recall correctly there's a text file on the memory card that you adjust the time in

NeedMoreGears · 28-03-2017 4:25pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

the funny thing is that the car giving you more room was technically the one breaking the law, as he put his wheels over a solid white line.

This got me thinking. Is the solid white line p[art of the problem? I was passed this morning at St Anne's on the coast road in Dublin. Nothing crazy but he only have me about 75cm of a gap. The oncoming lane was completely free of traffic for at least 250m ahead. The next car gave me at least 2m. I am wondering was the first driver conditioned not to cross the white line?

For what its worth during some recent driving lessons I had, in a similar situation , the instructor advised that I could declare the cyclist a "hazard" and that I was ok to cross over the white line. At the subsequent test, the tester confirmed this was correct - this was an advanced driving test.

CramCycle · 28-03-2017 4:29pm

NeedMoreGears wrote: »

This got me thinking. Is the solid white line p[art of the problem? I was passed this morning at St Anne's on the coast road in Dublin. Nothing crazy but he only have me about 75cm of a gap. The oncoming lane was completely free of traffic for at least 250m ahead. The next car gave me at least 2m. I am wondering was the first driver conditioned not to cross the white line?

For what its worth during some recent driving lessons I had, in a similar situation , the instructor advised that I could declare the cyclist a "hazard" and that I was ok to cross over the white line. At the subsequent test, the tester confirmed this was correct - this was an advanced driving test.

This was my understanding as well but on the same note, the rules for overtaking do not change. The road still has to be clear ahead and it must be possible to see far enough ahead to presume that the road will remain clear for the duration of the overtake. In most cases, a solid white line is there because this is not possible. It is not always the case, so I would be wary about giving some road users who are clearly not fit to make a decision for themselves the impression that it is grand to do, nor do I like the terminology of hazard.

NeedMoreGears · 28-03-2017 4:36pm

To be fair to the tester, the cyclist wasn't a "hazard" just because they were a cyclist. The same terminology would apply to a parked or broken down vehicle, road works etc. It probably isn't the best term - the Germans probably have some wonderfully long word that conveys the idea of "slowish-thing-that-its-ok-to pass-but-be extra-careful-because-that-is-a-white-line". Kinda like "Okumlangsamesachezupassierenaberseiensiebesondersvorsichtigwegenderweißenlinie"

Myself I am quite happy to cross over a solid line when passing any of the above, subject of course to the caveats Cram outlined in the post above.

andy69 · 28-03-2017 5:27pm

NeedMoreGears wrote: »

..."hazard" and that I was ok to cross over the white line. At the subsequent test, the tester confirmed this was correct - this was an advanced driving test.

Yeah recently I was giving a statement to the Gardai after a dangerously close pass I reported via trafficwatch. One of the points I was making was that on top of everything else the driver crossed a continuous white line. The Guard immediately pointed out this was not an issue, and was technically not an offence and that it was ok for him to do this, for example as you would if someone was walking on the road and you had to cross over.
I wondered to myself if there had been a collision with an oncoming vehicle would it have mattered then!

NUTLEY BOY · 28-03-2017 5:29pm

Strand Road Sandymount yesterday afternoon. Approaching roundabout at Martello tower. Well ahead of following traffic and keeping a good pace. A BIFFO reg. truck overtakes me. At about half way along his length he starts drifting left and turning in on top of me as he was lining up for the roundabout.

Broad daylight. Reflective gear. I am not small ! I fail to understand how he could not have seen me. He probably did but was just intimidating me out of it as he was in a hurry or else it was poor judgment.

I was able to come to a full stop as it would have been lethal to press on. Managed to stop with foot on kerb ready to jump if he came any closer. He stopped and stared via his wing mirror. Nobody died and we all moved on.

What really worries me is that as you approach some roundabouts - including this one - there are railings / pedestrian barriers. If you get trapped between a lorry and one of them you will do well to get away.

I love Sean nos · 28-03-2017 5:40pm

TonyStark wrote: »

Squeezed whilst out on a solo training spin on Sunday. Scary looking back on it especially when you start considering the relative distances involved.

I am happy to say it was the only incident in what was an 80km spin around North Kildare, but that's not the point. Very reckless driving, especially in comparison with the car directly behind it.

Looks deliberate to me too.

Is that the big long straight into Allenwood? The closest I've ever been to being hit by a car without actual contact happened on that road a number of years ago. I was a pedestrian.

Chuchote · 28-03-2017 5:40pm

NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

What really worries me is that as you approach some roundabouts - including this one - there are railings / pedestrian barriers. If you get trapped between a lorry and one of them you will do well to get away.

I can't understand why those barriers are used. Deadly dangerous things.

JosDel · 28-03-2017 5:41pm

I've had a couple of near missed myself at that roundabout at Martello...

I love Sean nos · 28-03-2017 5:42pm

Chuchote wrote: »

I can't understand why those barriers are used. Deadly dangerous things.

To keep pesky pedestrians out of the way of the important road vehicles.

Chuchote · 28-03-2017 5:48pm

Have to say that I usually cycle on the pavement (slowly) at Sandymount; it's one of the very few places I do so. People here have pooh-poohed my saying it, but I find that road scary and dangerous.

NUTLEY BOY · 28-03-2017 5:59pm

Chuchote wrote: »

Have to say that I usually cycle on the pavement (slowly) at Sandymount; it's one of the very few places I do so. People here have pooh-poohed my saying it, but I find that road scary and dangerous.

Generally, it is alright. Maybe I am just too familiar with it for my own good !

However, there are a few "pinch points" on it and they can certainly be a bit dodgy when traffic volume is high.

Some of the mini-roundabouts can be a bit high risk the way certain motorists negotiate them or, to be more accurate, point the cars at them and hope for the best :mad:

Danjamin1 · 28-03-2017 6:08pm

That whole road is a pain in the hole, the surface is awful, the shíte roundabouts create pinchpoints & the traffic buildup southbound due to the Merrion gates would do your head in. It's a few years since I cycled it so maybe some of that has changed.

TonyStark · 28-03-2017 6:29pm

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Looks deliberate to me too.

Is that the big long straight into Allenwood? The closest I've ever been to being hit by a car without actual contact happened on that road a number of years ago. I was a pedestrian.

Yup, you can see for miles ( well to the dips in the road at least ) in either direction. It does look like he swerves in ever so slightly just before he passes by me. I won't use the words overtake.

Lemming · 28-03-2017 6:33pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

the funny thing is that the car giving you more room was technically the one breaking the law, as he put his wheels over a solid white line.

So did the scrotebag carrying out a very dangerous manoeuvre. At least one pair of wheels were over the line, not on it at one point. But as pointed out already, that line of thinking wont see much action from the powers-that-be, so it's all a bit academic anyway.

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I had a mammywagon overtake me on Sunday on a bend and solid white line on Blackglen road approaching Lamb Doyles from Lambs Cross, taxi driver who came round the bend may have needed to leave his car in for cleaning. She had kids in the car too....given the speed people do along that road at the best of times it made it even more idiotic a move. If she'd met nearly any other car coming round that bend there could have been a nasty accident.

That road was always crap for cycling RacoonQueen, particularly on the upward slope given how narrow it was. Granted, the road has been widened but all things considered it's still not a particularly wide road ..., as was what is now called Ticknock Park just up from it heading towards the fly-over. It used to be the narrow country-road connecting Lamb Doyles with Ballinteer/Dundrum and I used to cycle up and down those roads to get around Ticknock for mountain-biking when I was much younger and even with less traffic albeit with narrower roads, it sometimes got a bit intimidating when cycling uphill and you've some clownbag sat on your rear-wheel impatiently.

AndrewJRenko · 28-03-2017 6:42pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

This bit

I get so annoyed when these forum comments come up from drivers - "I would urge cyclists to wear high-viz gear" - please use your efforts to get other drivers to drive properly, instead of pinning the blame on cyclists all the time.

Pat Kenny did about 10-15 minutes of this diversionary victim-blaming this morning while supposedly interviewing Ciaran Cannon. Not just hi-vis, but all the hoary old chestnuts came out - road tax, red lights, no lights, failing to indicate. It was screaming at the radio.

At one stage, Cannon called him out on his victim-blaming and he backed off for a second. The only issue that got any kind of reasonable airing from Pat was the one issue where he had direct personal experience - the rollercoaster cycle lane on the N11. Everything else got blown out of the water with tired old clichés.

There has to be a better way.

Duckjob · 28-03-2017 7:57pm

CramCycle wrote: »

This was my understanding as well but on the same note, the rules for overtaking do not change. The road still has to be clear ahead and it must be possible to see far enough ahead to presume that the road will remain clear for the duration of the overtake. In most cases, a solid white line is there because this is not possible. It is not always the case, so I would be wary about giving some road users who are clearly not fit to make a decision for themselves the impression that it is grand to do, nor do I like the terminology of hazard.

Yeah but solid white lines are basically designed to denote high level of danger in cars overtaking other cars. A car initiating an overtake from behind a bike generally would require much less roadspace to complete the overtake due to lower speeds, so plenty of places where the former could be highly dangerous but the latter would be fine.

papu · 28-03-2017 8:18pm

Almost witnessed a very nasty accident today, Truck was maneuvering into the construction site off Pearse St. 3 Banksmen for J R Ratigan construction to guide the truck , but they all stood at the front and no-one was watching the rear.

I was walking my bike up the footpath and the truck came well onto the footpath and then started reversing , it turned the cab and just narrowly missed the cyclist coming from behind..

Skipping on Embedded doesn't seem to work , its 12seconds in.

AndrewJRenko · 28-03-2017 9:32pm

Chiparus wrote: »

Sorry you are correct about DLR area.
They widened the footpath on the north side narrowed the footpath on the southside and put in parking bays the then narrowed the road.

When it was pointed out that there was no provision for cyclists, they painted some bicycles on the road - no cycles .

I was driving along it a month ago saw a female cyclist nearly get killed when she suddenly stopped when she dropped some thing.

https://dlrcoco.citizenspace.com/transportation/bird-avenue-road-safety-improvement-scheme/

http://irishcycle.com/2016/11/05/council-uses-guidance-to-justify-no-spaceforcycling-but-ignores-advice-on-removal-of-slip-turns/

I'm not sure what else they could have done on Bird Ave. Unless they were to take away all parking to put in a bike lane, but you can just imagine the uproar that would result from that.

papu wrote: »

Almost witnessed a very nasty accident today, Truck was maneuvering into the construction site off Pearse St. 3 Banksmen for J R Ratigan construction to guide the truck , but they all stood at the front and no-one was watching the rear.

I was walking my bike up the footpath and the truck came well onto the footpath and then started reversing , it turned the cab and just narrowly missed the cyclist coming from behind..

They weren't banksmen - they were just lads standing round having a look. They were feck-all use to anyone. The driver was very 'jerky' too - driving quite fast for the manoeuvres in question, presumably trying to take advantage of a gap in traffic - but definitely very risky.

Danbo! · 29-03-2017 7:48am

Had someone skip into the bus lane this morning approaching Patrick's cathedral without checking her blind spot. It wasn't really a near miss as I kinda saw it coming, but 100ft up the road there was a cyclist on the ground in front of a golf that had done the same thing. Two peds were helping him up and he seemed ok, if a little shook.

Chiparus · 29-03-2017 8:18am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'm not sure what else they could have done on Bird Ave. Unless they were to take away all parking to put in a bike lane, but you can just imagine the uproar that would result from that.

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Perhaps if you drive up Bird Avenue and look at the 3m wide footpaths?

You can guess what happens when the church carpark or the sports ground carpark is full

Weepsie · 29-03-2017 8:36am

Danbo! wrote: »

Had someone skip into the bus lane this morning approaching Patrick's cathedral without checking her blind spot. It wasn't really a near miss as I kinda saw it coming, but 100ft up the road there was a cyclist on the ground in front of a golf that had done the same thing. Two peds were helping him up and he seemed ok, if a little shook.

Cameras on Bus lanes would stop this. In certain places if you've not left it within so many metres a fixed fine immediately. Same as with cameras at lights. It would free up gardai to police the dangerous driving etc that cameras alone can't.

Weepsie · 29-03-2017 8:43am

Also a couple of things. The Bus Eireann strike has lead to a lot more private coach operators in Dublin the past few days. Operators who might rarely drive in urban areas, and operators I rarely see on my route but have seen a lot of the past few days. I'd be taking extra care with them around at the moment, as I feel they're less likely to be aware of the cyclists around the place.

Also, on Sunday had someone wait patiently enough behind me while cycling near Dunboyne/Clonee. They then thought a bend was a good spot. Luckily for them I could see a car ahead and waved at them to pull in behind me. They looked a little spooked and gave an appreciative wave as I possibly saved them and someone else serious injury.

I did have a closs pass on the Quays coming from the point to the IFSC too. I'm not sure what the point of the cycle lane there is at all. I don't know where you're supposed to get onto to it as it's slightly raised, goes off onto the road and around some busstops and has car parking spaces on some of the exits. It's really a stupid design. That it throws you out onto the little bridge beside the convention centre where there is virtually no space is nuts too.

magicbastarder · 29-03-2017 8:49am

there's a spot on the r130, heading east from garristown towards the oldtown/naul road, where twice in my last three times on it, i've had to stick out the hand to warn a car approaching from behind not to overtake, as there was oncoming traffic. and both times the person behind me seems to have mistaken that for an 'overtake as fast as you can' signal. i must be doing something wrong, or maybe the drivers behind think i must have some form of tourettes.

on sunday, it was a 4x4 pulling a horsebox who was the oncoming traffic. he got a little bit of a start, waved a thank you at me.

Danbo! · 29-03-2017 8:55am

magicbastarder wrote: »

there's a spot on the r130, heading east from garristown towards the oldtown/naul road, where twice in my last three times on it, i've had to stick out the hand to warn a car approaching from behind not to overtake, as there was oncoming traffic. and both times the person behind me seems to have mistaken that for an 'overtake as fast as you can' signal. i must be doing something wrong, or maybe the drivers behind think i must have some form of tourettes.

on sunday, it was a 4x4 pulling a horsebox who was the oncoming traffic. he got a little bit of a start, waved a thank you at me.

This is a tough one, I had a dublin bus tailgate me on a narrow road a while back and I attempted to gesture "back off/wait" and he overtook very tightly. When I spoke to him he said I had waved him on. Since then I use arm-out signal, like I'm turning right, then just take the lane. Not always possible but works the majority of the time.

bucketybuck · 29-03-2017 9:12am

I was driving down the Templeville road towards Terenure today, through both roundabouts as I do quite frequently. As I came onto the roundabout at Cypress Grove I saw a cyclist coming from Wainsfort road, passing on the left of the traffic sitting waiting.

As I drove around the roundabout I could see the cyclist with his head turned looking straight at me, but he never stopped and as I exited the roundabout he then came straight out in front of me. I braked and missed him by inches, but if I hadn't already seen him and been wary of him I have no doubt I would have hit him full on.

Considering what had happened on that road just the day before I couldn't believe how utterly stupid that guy was, but the fact is that I see such behavior very regularly on that road and at those roundabouts. The cycle lane is marked right around the roundabout but many cyclists seem to think it being marked gives them right of way over any vehicles already on the roundabout.

Chuchote · 29-03-2017 9:21am

Right, lads, point to be raised at the compulsory weekly meeting of all Irish cyclists on Thursday.

bucketybuck · 29-03-2017 9:25am

Chuchote wrote: »

Right, lads, point to be raised at the compulsory weekly meeting of all Irish cyclists on Thursday.

Typical dismissive answer, but do you not think that the markings on those roundabouts give rise to these sorts of incidents? Is there not a case to be made for better information on what those markings mean?

The thread title says "near misses", are you only interested in those that weren't the cyclists fault?

Chuchote · 29-03-2017 9:27am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Typical dismissive answer, but do you not think that the markings on those roundabouts give rise to these sorts of incidents? Is there not a case to be made for better information on what those markings mean?

Not dismissive but simply recognising that other cyclists are no more responsible for a stupid act by a cyclist than you, as a driver, are for all the idiots who use their phone while in the car, say.

magicbastarder · 29-03-2017 9:28am

Danbo! wrote: »

This is a tough one, I had a dublin bus tailgate me on a narrow road a while back and I attempted to gesture "back off/wait" and he overtook very tightly. When I spoke to him he said I had waved him on. Since then I use arm-out signal, like I'm turning right, then just take the lane. Not always possible but works the majority of the time.

i'm not sure if you can mistake an arm shot out, splayed fingers, and palm facing backwards as a 'coast is clear to overtake' manouevre, in the situations i've mentioned.

Chuchote · 29-03-2017 9:39am

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm not sure if you can mistake an arm shot out, splayed fingers, and palm facing backwards as a 'coast is clear to overtake' manouevre, in the situations i've mentioned.

I particularly like the idea of siccing an earworm on the drivers. A-wim-a-weh-a-wim-a-weh

magicbastarder · 29-03-2017 9:41am

yeah, when people beep at me i give them a nice cheery wave. to be fair, on at least one occasion, it has enraged them.

Weepsie · 29-03-2017 10:09am

I gave a confused I don't know to someone who beeped at me. He then tried to run me off the road. But yeah, I agree, I am trying to be better at not reacting angrily.

Danbo! · 29-03-2017 10:46am

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm not sure if you can mistake an arm shot out, splayed fingers, and palm facing backwards as a 'coast is clear to overtake' manouevre, in the situations i've mentioned.

Yeah you'd think that alright, but I guess they either misinterpret or just dont care.

CramCycle · 29-03-2017 10:51am

Weepsie wrote: »

Cameras on Bus lanes would stop this. In certain places if you've not left it within so many metres a fixed fine immediately. Same as with cameras at lights. It would free up gardai to police the dangerous driving etc that cameras alone can't.

I still cannot understand why this is not done. The N11 is a joke at the minute with bus lane usage. One guy yesterday, had used the bus lane from Cabinteely, every light he was on his phone. Make it a requirement of any state sponsored buses to have their cameras to have ANPR, and run it against registry for taxis and buses.

Danbo! wrote: »

Yeah you'd think that alright, but I guess they either misinterpret or just dont care.

FYP

jive · 29-03-2017 11:23am

CramCycle wrote: »

I still cannot understand why this is not done. The N11 is a joke at the minute with bus lane usage.

Had someone beeping and gesturing at me last week because I wasn't using the rollercoaster part of the N11 cycle lane city-bound by RTE. A certain someone not in a bus or taxi during the restricted hours for bus lane usage :pac:

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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