Random Running Questions

Itziger · 11-10-2019 5:16pm

Why anyone other than an expert/elite runner who was using loads of data (or someone with serious heart issues, but then would you be racing?!) would use a HRM while racing is beyond me.

What are ya going to do? Slow down when it goes high?

adrian522 · 11-10-2019 5:43pm

It's good to analyse afterwards.

You might feel like you were flat out at a certain point or that you had eased off at some point but the data from the HR monitor might say different.

For something like a marathon you can analyse your HR data to give you an idea of what your Marathon effort should look like for your next training cycle.

Also you can see things like if your HR was too high for a given pace and that could explain a subpar performance.

I tend to not bother with it any more as I don't have a chest strap but there is value in the data I think.

passinginterest · 11-10-2019 6:50pm

Itziger wrote: »

Why anyone other than an expert/elite runner who was using loads of data (or someone with serious heart issues, but then would you be racing?!) would use a HRM while racing is beyond me.

What are ya going to do? Slow down when it goes high?

I’ve never really paid attention to it in a race yet, but looking at the data after a couple of bad days, if I’d looked at the HR data and eased back a bit it might have saved a fair bit of suffering and produced a better result. Then again, if I did ease off and didn’t suffer, I’d be thinking I could have done better had I suffered more!

Bluesquare · 11-10-2019 10:29pm

flahouh79 wrote: »

Hi all - training for Dublin Marathon this year, my first, but had a question about HR tracking.

Am using the Garmin Forerunner 235 watch. On easy runs I tend to average around 130-140, Tempo 140-160 and then the end of long runs can spike high enough.

On an easy run (with hills today) I felt completely ok but my average was 175 and Max was 203. I've gotten the once over from a doc a few weeks ago who actually did a quick ECG and he said all was good. Could just be accumulated tiredness over last few weeks training?

Thinking of just ignoring it during the Marathon as it's more anxiety inducing than anything else when i look down and it's 170+ and in max zone.

Anyone any thoughts or experience with accuracy of the Forerunner 235?

I'm male, 34 and been running relatively consistently for the last year (5k 19:50, 10k 42, HM 1:31) - plan on pushing it in DCM with the 3:20 pacers

I have had a lot of issues with my 235 and heart rate . There is a known glitch in these watches -the heart rate can sync to the cadence. If you look at the hr graph on your garmin and put the cadence graph on top of it - you will see if this is the case . Another way to check is to look at the average heart rate and average cadence per lap , if the are the same or similar chances are your watch is glitching . Google it for more detail.

sixpack's little hat · 11-10-2019 11:51pm

I have a 235 and had those issues too when I got it first. I read somewhere(probably on boards) that having it tied tightly slightly higher up the arm than the wrsit improves it and have found this makes a big difference.

Zipppy · 12-10-2019 9:07am

deisedude wrote: »

6.2% according to Irish Sports Monitor 2017 engage in running

Dont think there is any stats on how many times they run per week though

See page 14 https://www.sportireland.ie/Research/Irish%20Sports%20Monitor%202017%20-%20Half%20Year%20Report/Irish%20Sports%20Monitor%202017.pdf

Great paper..many thanks.

pgmcpq · 14-10-2019 1:18am

Ok. I was watching Chicago today.

1. This has been bugging me for some time. Why are all the maie runners running in these same Nike two tone singlets. I had seen this before and in track races and assumed that they belonged to the same training group, but now I am seeing others in the same shirt design with different colours. What gives - is this some Nike 4% shirt I've missed ??

2. When runners were dropped from the lead male group, it seemed like the following car was pretty quickly between them and the remaining lead group. I know the camera messes with perspective but surely this is a huge obstacle to any attempt to rejoin the leaders.

Slow_Runner · 14-10-2019 10:01am

pgmcpq wrote: »

Ok. I was watching Chicago today.

1. This has been bugging me for some time. Why are all the maie runners running in these same Nike two tone singlets. I had seen this before and in track races and assumed that they belonged to the same training group, but now I am seeing others in the same shirt design with different colours. What gives - is this some Nike 4% shirt I've missed ??

2. When runners were dropped from the lead male group, it seemed like the following car was pretty quickly between them and the remaining lead group. I know the camera messes with perspective but surely this is a huge obstacle to any attempt to rejoin the leaders.

1. That's just the current Nike design of their tops, changes from time to time. All the elites wearing them are Nike sponsored so must wear what they are given by Nike. same goes for any elite sponsored by Adidas, Brooks, etc.
2.Didn't see the race so can't comment on how quickly the car moved between them. For the athlete thats dropped the car probably helps as it is a stepping stone back up to the group, if they see the group too far ahead it might make it more difficult mentally (that is of course if they have the strength to get back to the group)

Bluesquare · 14-10-2019 10:26pm

Has anybody used a slow jog on purpose - liked timed after you have ran a certain distance in a marathon .

As in plan your marathon to incorporate sections where you slow jog for 30/60/90 secs maybe where you take on a bit of food or water?

So like In training you might do 5k LT then 90 sec jog then 5k LT?

It’s very effective in training - a short recovery can make you feel fresh for a new burst

I know the walk/run method has been proven to work .

pgmcpq · 14-10-2019 11:37pm

Slow_Runner wrote: »

1. That's just the current Nike design of their tops, changes from time to time. All the elites wearing them are Nike sponsored so must wear what they are given by Nike. same goes for any elite sponsored by Adidas, Brooks, etc.

I didn't realize Nike had such a huge slice of the sponsorship market - The top six guys yesterday were all in Nike gear. You don't see this on the women's side.

davedanon · 14-10-2019 11:41pm

Never felt the need to eat during a marathon. Not when it's going well, anyway.

Sheep1978 · 15-10-2019 9:46am

davedanon wrote: »

Never felt the need to eat during a marathon. Not when it's going well, anyway.

I am usually starving from about mile 14/15.

Bluesquare · 15-10-2019 10:05am

I think my question was not really about the food element .

In training I use slow jogs for rest between intervals (30 secs to 3 mins depending )

I was just wondering if anybody had incorporated a similar strategy into their marathon race plan and if so was it effective .

I know Jeff Galloway has a run/ walk method but I had more of a run 5k , slow jog 30 secs type thing in mind ?

TFBubendorfer · 15-10-2019 10:10am

The run/walk method works if you haven't done sufficient training to run the entire race.

If you have done the training then keeping a steady pace all through the race is by far the best option.

KSU · 15-10-2019 10:11am

pgmcpq wrote: »

I didn't realize Nike had such a huge slice of the sponsorship market - The top six guys yesterday were all in Nike gear. You don't see this on the women's side.

Nike account for roughly 60-70% of all athlete sponsorships globally

A good example of this is the Prefontaine Diamond league where only Nike sponsored athletes compete

or the 41 pacers for Kipchoge's sub 2 attempt, again all Nike

skyblue46 · 15-10-2019 1:59pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

Has anybody used a slow jog on purpose - liked timed after you have ran a certain distance in a marathon .

As in plan your marathon to incorporate sections where you slow jog for 30/60/90 secs maybe where you take on a bit of food or water?

So like In training you might do 5k LT then 90 sec jog then 5k LT?

It’s very effective in training - a short recovery can make you feel fresh for a new burst

I know the walk/run method has been proven to work .

As has been said above that type of method can be great for someone who hasn't done enough training. You have! It's probably a bit of doubt in your mind brought on by taper maranoia. Banish it!

Bluesquare · 15-10-2019 7:56pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

As has been said above that type of method can be great for someone who hasn't done enough training. You have! It's probably a bit of doubt in your mind brought on by taper maranoia. Banish it!

Thanks for the vote of confidence .

I wasn’t thinking of walking - it was more to give myself an incentive to keep going . Like if I do 5k @ MP I could have a 30/60 sec break at MP + 30 secs!

skyblue46 · 15-10-2019 8:02pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

Thanks for the vote of confidence .

I wasn’t thinking of walking - it was more to give myself an incentive to keep going . Like if I do 5k @ MP I could have a 30/60 sec break at MP + 30 secs!

Oh I knew you weren't thinking of walking but even thinking of jogging isn't something you need. What you describe is a little breather. 60 secs @ MP + 30 secs would slow you down by only three seconds each time you do it. I'd say I probably made similar pace corrections about 50 times last year.....just a slight increase/decrease in effort depending on how I felt.

Bluesquare · 16-10-2019 7:40am

skyblue46 wrote: »

Oh I knew you weren't thinking of walking but even thinking of jogging isn't something you need. What you describe is a little breather. 60 secs @ MP + 30 secs would slow you down by only three seconds each time you do it. I'd say I probably made similar pace corrections about 50 times last year.....just a slight increase/decrease in effort depending on how I felt.

Thanks - I guess I’m over thinking it for sure.

The Davestator · 16-10-2019 9:22am

Bluesquare wrote: »

Thanks for the vote of confidence .

I wasn’t thinking of walking - it was more to give myself an incentive to keep going . Like if I do 5k @ MP I could have a 30/60 sec break at MP + 30 secs!

You could / should walk the water stations - you're more likely to actually get the fluids you need into you whilst also having a few seconds recovery.
Regardless of the time I am aiming for, I always walk the water stations

KSU · 16-10-2019 12:31pm

The Davestator wrote: »

You could / should walk the water stations - you're more likely to actually get the fluids you need into you whilst also having a few seconds recovery.
Regardless of the time I am aiming for, I always walk the water stations

Bill Rodgers did that back in the 80s and didn't do too badly (2.09 and a 3 New York Marathon wins)

Murph_D · 16-10-2019 8:01pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

Thanks for the vote of confidence .

I wasn’t thinking of walking - it was more to give myself an incentive to keep going . Like if I do 5k @ MP I could have a 30/60 sec break at MP + 30 secs!

If you’ve trained well for an appropriate MP, you shouldn’t need a break from it. You slow a bit on the ups, make up on the downs. Why introduce something new at this late stage? Back yourself! Good luck.

Bluesquare · 16-10-2019 9:29pm

Murph_D wrote: »

If you’ve trained well for an appropriate MP, you shouldn’t need a break from it. You slow a bit on the ups, make up on the downs. Why introduce something new at this late stage? Back yourself! Good luck.

My training plan had a lot of intervals and the little jog between reps was always a nice incentive to keep moving - I thought it might be helpful mentally In a marathon situation

Bluesquare · 16-10-2019 9:34pm

On a completely different topic - I’ve seen a base building boards plan referred to on many logs that seems very successful. Where can I get my hands on this ? Is it recommended for a person coming back from injury wanting to build up fitness again?

The Black Oil · 16-10-2019 10:00pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

On a completely different topic - I’ve seen a base building boards plan referred to on many logs that seems very successful. Where can I get my hands on this ? Is it recommended for a person coming back from injury wanting to build up fitness again?

Would it be the 6 week base phase of the 2016 grads plan you're referring to? I've always done it before the other sections of the spreadsheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LOkLQ_a9NHWe97yaRkfF6ArFmCHmtf9y1tU0LR7uMr8/edit#gid=144772219

Bluesquare · 16-10-2019 10:11pm

The Black Oil wrote: »

Would it be the 6 week base phase of the 2016 grads plan you're referring to? I've always done it before the other sections of the spreadsheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LOkLQ_a9NHWe97yaRkfF6ArFmCHmtf9y1tU0LR7uMr8/edit#gid=144772219

I think that’s it thanks! I think my buddy has a bit of building to do before the base building! I think this is exactly what she will need though . Cheers

skyblue46 · 16-10-2019 10:25pm

Bluesquare wrote: »

I think that’s it thanks! I think my buddy has a bit of building to do before the base building! I think this is exactly what she will need though . Cheers

This is the pace calculator to be used with all the grads plans including the base building plan.

https://runfastcoach.com/calc2/index.php

Kellygirl · 19-10-2019 12:56pm

Any thoughts on which wave I’d be better off in for DCM? I’ve been given Wave 2. However, hoping to go just under sub 4 so was thinking of dropping back to Wave 3 and starting behind the 4hr pacers, maybe even just in front of the 4:10 guys. I’m running my own race but would like to start slowly picking up the pace after Castleknock and then reeling the pacers after halfway hopefully coming in the 4hr guys or just ahead of them. (All in an ideal world) Will it be chaotic up towards the front of wave 3 by the time I start trying to pick up the pace? I’m imagining there’d be loads passing me until the 7 mile mark, then maybe doing the same pace as people for a while and starting to pull off then?

The Black Oil · 22-10-2019 10:35pm

^^Run your own race alright. Anyone passing (with gusto) early on, try to read it that they have their own agenda and may well fade later.

Itziger · 23-10-2019 7:23am

How long before you have to swap your Left and Right fancy socks 'cos of the Big Toe hole?

The Davestator · 23-10-2019 9:16am

Itziger wrote: »

How long before you have to swap your Left and Right fancy socks 'cos of the Big Toe hole?

NEVER! Sow that hole and carry on. Its actually what I do between eating porridge and going to the toilet before my long runs!

KSU · 23-10-2019 9:44am

Itziger wrote: »

How long before you have to swap your Left and Right fancy socks 'cos of the Big Toe hole?

Fancy socks? You mean the premium penny’s brand ????

skyblue46 · 23-10-2019 10:10am

The Davestator wrote: »

NEVER! Sow that hole and carry on. Its actually what I do between eating porridge and going to the toilet before my long runs!

Aw man you need to upskill. Darning is way better than sewing!

Swashbuckler · 23-10-2019 3:20pm

KSU wrote:

Fancy socks? You mean the premium pennyâ€™s brand ????

Penneys? I'm a lidl man myself. Penneys too fancy for these feet.

Ted_YNWA · 23-10-2019 7:43pm

The Davestator wrote: »

NEVER! Sow that hole and carry on. Its actually what I do between eating porridge and going to the toilet before my long runs!

That's poor time management!!

Do all at the same time.

TFBubendorfer · 25-10-2019 10:38am

*shakes head*

Real men wear their holes with pride!

Fenster · 25-10-2019 10:59am

Bought 1000 Mile brand socks with my newest shoes. They make it feel like I'm running across an angel's bum.

DeepBlue · 29-10-2019 1:05am

How do you clean your shoes? I throw the insoles into the washing machine but have baulked at throwing the rest of the shoe in for fear it would get wrecked.

Murph_D · 29-10-2019 8:08am

DeepBlue wrote: »

How do you clean your shoes? I throw the insoles into the washing machine but have baulked at throwing the rest of the shoe in for fear it would get wrecked.

Unless you're talking about cross country or trail shoes, no need to clean the shoes at all. The odd run in the rain sorts that out for me - not that I care that much, because road shoes don't get that dirty!

Swashbuckler · 29-10-2019 8:13am

DeepBlue wrote:

How do you clean your shoes? I throw the insoles into the washing machine but have baulked at throwing the rest of the shoe in for fear it would get wrecked.

Throw them into an old pillowcase and tie it with a knot. Lob them into the machine.

Darren 83 · 29-10-2019 8:45am

Don’t clean them at all, but if I’m out in the rain I’ll put tissue in the shoes to keep the shape of them and soak all moisture out.

The Black Oil · 29-10-2019 9:03am

https://www.persil.com/uk/laundry/laundry-tips/fabrics/how-to-wash-shoes-in-the-washing-machine.html

cjt156 · 29-10-2019 4:36pm

Why would you bother? I've never washed shoes in my life.
My running shoes are just for running. By the time they are dirty enough to notice they are ready to be replaced.
Then they are downgraded to dogwalking and lawnmowing duties.

crisco10 · 29-10-2019 10:13pm

Off to Helsinki next week, where it promises to be cold and dark.

Anybody have recommendation for runs that will be lit and cleared around the city centre?

Simmer down · 30-10-2019 6:07pm

Anyone know when registration for the Mullingar half marathon 2020 opens ?

skyblue46 · 01-11-2019 8:01pm

My random question....is Fusitive still alive?

Lazare · 03-11-2019 11:18pm

Anyone know if there's a way to compare two identical workouts on Garmin connect?

Am taking screenshots and flicking between. Be good if there was some software that allowed you to overlay them.

rxchxy · 04-11-2019 10:58am

Lazare wrote: »

Anyone know if there's a way to compare two identical workouts on Garmin connect?

Am taking screenshots and flicking between. Be good if there was some software that allowed you to overlay them.

Depends on the level of comparison that you want but if its just the usual stats (splits, HR, cadence etc) that you get on garmin connect then there is a way of just comparing them. On Garmin Connect go to your "All Activities" page and then click on the workouts you want to compare (they should all highlight blue) and then at the top of the page there's a compare button. You can only compare 4 workouts at a time though

Lazare · 04-11-2019 1:39pm

Brilliant, thanks for that, exactly what I'm after.

Comic Book Guy · 04-11-2019 1:56pm

I'm currently looking around for a HM in spring of 2020. There are 2 on near home but they are provisionally only 3 weeks apart.
Would it be feasible to think I could full out race both or is the 3 week break pushing out the boat too much in terms or recovery for the later one?

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