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05-11-2018, 20:18   #1
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Rental agency only HAP clients offered

First rental of apt in Dublin. Newly done up, new appliances, market rent. Hired letting agency as too busy to do it myself. Just got an email to say only HAP clients interested. Now I will look at those clients obv when I get the references but am I right to be a bit wary after the recent announcement about agencies getting 500 bonus for HAP clients???? It’s in a very sought after area.
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First rental of apt in Dublin. Newly done up, new appliances, market rent. Hired letting agency as too busy to do it myself. Just got an email to say only HAP clients interested. Now I will look at those clients obv when I get the references but am I right to be a bit wary after the recent announcement about agencies getting 500 bonus for HAP clients???? It’s in a very sought after area.
That is fierce strange.

Nearly worth your while sticking up your own ad with email only replies, just to see if they're taking the mick.
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Fire that agency ASAP. You cannot trust them.
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Fire that agency ASAP. You cannot trust them.
Have not signed anything or paid anything yet so may well go with another!
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First rental of apt in Dublin. Newly done up, new appliances, market rent. Hired letting agency as too busy to do it myself. Just got an email to say only HAP clients interested. Now I will look at those clients obv when I get the references but am I right to be a bit wary after the recent announcement about agencies getting 500 bonus for HAP clients???? It’s in a very sought after area.
Very easy to manage yourself. Advert on letting site with email only contact. Get throw away SIM card until you get the tenant.

If you use an agent you are paying them a fee to provide YOU a service. They are not there to provide the government with a service.

You should be offered all types of tenants so definitely strange. I think I would be firing them and get feedback from other landlords agencies they use and definitely move on...
You need at least 3references and don't take the latest one. Don't trust the agency to check the references either. X tenant moved into a house managed by agency. I did not get a call..
Review everything they give you.

Not everyone is on hap...
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Eh, wasn't there just something in the news about this?

The local authorities are offering payments to letting agents to place HAP tenants. So they get €500 on top of whatever fee you'd be paying them. Means a HAP tenant is more valuable to them than a regular tenant.

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https://www.thejournal.ie/hap-lettin...17277-Nov2018/
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Definitely very dodgy. For a market-rate apartment in Dublin you're looking at 150-200 inquiries in the first 24-48hrs if it's on Daft.. Chances of all of them being HAP is slim to nil. If it's Dublin City centre you can usually expect 15-25% of applicants to look to use HAP, may be higher for the suburbs.
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That’s disgusting that the government are paying 500 to letting agents, absolutely disgusting

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That’s disgusting that the government are paying 500 to landlords , absolutely disgusting
500 to letting agents not landlords, but don’t let me (or facts) get in the way of a landlord bashing rant
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500 to letting agents not landlords, but don’t let me (or facts) get in the way of a landlord bashing rant

Was a simple error
Not bashing any landlords
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Was a simple error
Not bashing any landlords
Did you read the article? Every time the govt takes measures v homelessness.?

The discrimination against HAP tenants?
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Every time the govt takes measures v homelessness.?
This isn't a measure against homelessness though, its just moving a problem, its like sweeping the dirt from your kitchen into you hall and not actually picking it up.
To reduce homelessness more houses are needed any other "solution" is just to try and make them look good.

Re the OP either way I wouldn't be using the agency but I would question them on it first to see what their response is.
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OP- the fact of the matter is- in the greater Dublin area- less than 20% of prospective tenants are eligible for HAP (the main reason its not higher is a stipulation that a HAP tenant *HAS* to stay in a property for a minimum of 2 years after getting a property). What the agency are saying- patently isn't true. I don't know who they are, nor do I want to know- but you need to find an agency who work for you- not the government. The 500 quid into their hands- creates an immense conflict of interest for agencies- and this particular agency- have patently chosen who their paymaster is- and it isn't you.

As for the comment about HAP tenancies being higher in the suburbs- that doesn't hold water either. I helped a colleague recently with a property in Lucan- he had his choice of tenants within an hour of putting it up on DAFT- and had to edit his advertisement within the hour to remove his contact details- as he was getting deluged.

Drop the agency you've been talking to- they are not acting in your best interests.

When you are vetting tenants- you may choose to go with a HAP tenant- if they are the best choice for you- however- they will be on a list of prospective tenants you're vetting- and whether they are a HAP tenant or not- is not pertinent to vetting them (nor may you discriminate against them for being a HAP tenant).

Go get a new agency- or put the property up on DAFT yourself (and prepare to be snowed under by prospective tenants).
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Tell the agent you've had second thoughts and are going to sell it / let it to a friend. You know HAP pay a month in arrears instead of up front.
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Tell the agent you've had second thoughts and are going to sell it / let it to a friend. You know HAP pay a month in arrears instead of up front.
In Dublin they will pay in advance and pay 2-3 months deposit- the same as any other tenant will pay- if a landlord demands all prospective tenants meet the same criteria.

You can't discriminate against HAP tenants- however, you shouldn't kneel over backwards to facilitate them either- and if it is an issue- local authorities in Dublin- have recognised this (not as a rule- more as an infrequent practice) and are willing to negotiate (obviously it would be up to the tenant to organise this- not the landlord- as the running involved is pretty mental).

The norm in much of Dublin is first and last month's rent in advance- along with two month's deposit. Many tenants will offer a significantly higher deposit (4-5-6 months deposit are far from unusual). Obviously even if you have a massive deposit- you still need to properly vet the tenant!!!
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