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14-07-2017, 22:27   #16
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More houses means more traffic in both directions, is what is actually obvious as they will have to travel beyond the immediate area for business and leisure activities like anywhere else. So there's no unlikely about it, especially considering the marginal properties of that variable and the fact that we are at the edge of the 'acceptable inefficiency' range as it is, if not beyond. Also it's not merely a Sunday driver type of problem as Sutton Crops is clogged many times during week days at off-peak times. The time to get through Sutton Cross was over 10 minutes each way on a not so sunny/no school Wed and Thurs mid-afternoon. This common now.

As for camper vans there are usually at least a dozen at any time; about 18 yesterday.

Paid parking is not a runner either as there is far too much resistance like when the overzealous parking warden was told to stop by the Gardaí a few years back.

Also the rough crowd phenomenon is thankfully a rarity despite some instances of bad trouble in recent times. Thankfully those instances could be counted on only one hand. Otherwise any trouble is no more or less than normal. Really do not know where you have picked up the notion that walking is anywhere as intimidating as you believe - unless you mean the gulls which are a pain because eejits feed them.
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Just giving this thread a bump. Saw this this morning.

http://www.thejournal.ie/project-pie...43107-May2018/
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30-05-2018, 10:11   #18
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saw the for sale sign up last night. i really hope they dont go high rise and high density
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This is being sold with planning permission attached?
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Isn't there tennis courts on the west side of this planning application? Are these not public property?
The site is an eyesore and needs to be redeveloped into something. Howth also has a few sites that are not developed and could be,, the Bailey Hotel in the village an empty shell,, also the Edross community center,, no idea what the story is with this,, but its a large site behind the martello tower there on the East Pier.

I don't accept the traffic argument it is served by a decent 31 bus and has a Dart station next to it..
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Isn't there tennis courts on the west side of this planning application? Are these not public property?
The site is an eyesore and needs to be redeveloped into something. Howth also has a few sites that are not developed and could be,, the Bailey Hotel in the village an empty shell,, also the Edross community center,, no idea what the story is with this,, but its a large site behind the martello tower there on the East Pier.

I don't accept the traffic argument it is served by a decent 31 bus and has a Dart station next to it..
It’s the general weekend traffic to howth added to this. I don’t think the residents will be able to leave in cars in fact without traffic lights.
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Isn't there tennis courts on the west side of this planning application? Are these not public property?
The site is an eyesore and needs to be redeveloped into something. Howth also has a few sites that are not developed and could be,, the Bailey Hotel in the village an empty shell,, also the Edross community center,, no idea what the story is with this,, but its a large site behind the martello tower there on the East Pier.

I don't accept the traffic argument it is served by a decent 31 bus and has a Dart station next to it..
Planning application for Bailey Court/Edros development lodged with Bord Pleanala yesterday. Plans, elevations, reports etc. can be viewed here -

http://www.howthshd.ie/
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Planning application for Bailey Court/Edros development lodged with Bord Pleanala yesterday. Plans, elevations, reports etc. can be viewed here -

http://www.howthshd.ie/
As a Side note nice to see a developer publishing these. Sometimes the Scanning by FCC can be terrible to interpret.
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I don't accept the traffic argument it is served by a decent 31 bus and has a Dart station next to it..
Any time the weather is half decent, especially at weekends, the jams get really bad. It can take an hour some weekends to get through Sutton Cross. My longest was 115mins to get to Sutton Cross from Watermill Road/The Causeway. Then there's the DART getting pulled every Bank Holiday weekend for maintenance.


Then there is the traffic survey which ABP use to justify the size of such developments, which is from a quiet Tuesday afternoon back in 2008 which is unrepresentative to the actual traffic volumes.



While something does need to be done with the eyesores, these developments are just way too big.
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As a Side note nice to see a developer publishing these. Sometimes the Scanning by FCC can be terrible to interpret.
I can see some privacy concerns with the east most block there.
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As a Side note nice to see a developer publishing these. Sometimes the Scanning by FCC can be terrible to interpret.
Its a requirement for all SHD applications that the developer provides a website with the original docs.
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A further 200 apartments directly across the road to the right of the gate of Howth Castle are in pre-planning stage with Glenveagh homes.

It is an SHD so will go directly to An Bord Pleanala and bypass Fingal County Council.

They bought the 7 acre site for €14m it transpires.

on top of the 512 units for techrete, 150 for Balscadden Bay, we are looking at 850 - 900+ additional new units in total in this immediate area in the new future.

The council will almost certainly be forced to put in pay and display parking in Howth as a result of this
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On parking it is the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine who own and run the harbour who will be the main decision makers on parking. They might even be responsible for Harbour Road as it was constructed as part of the harbour. I'll try to check that later.

850+ units on top of a population of ~8000 is going to be all sorts of traffic and parking fun. One of the engineer's reports on what is expected to happen (nothing significant they say) at Sutton Cross is comedy gold.
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Recent correspondance to yacht club members said they are looking at this again already. The place is over touristed at this stage and all the extra development is just going to add to the chaos

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Planning been given for 177 apartments at the Bailey court site

https://www.thejournal.ie/howth-apar...33123-Mar2020/
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