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Luas Drivers Cooler Bag Row

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    #62
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    troyzer wrote: »
    They're not asking for a fridge. They're asking to be allowed to take their lunch in Sandyford which Transdev said would require extra drivers to cover lunch periods.

    Hence, hundreds of thousands of euro a year.



    again, because transdev said it would require extra drivers, it doesn't automatically mean it is the case. perhapse, maybe they are playing hardball here and it in fact would only require better rostering with the existing drivers.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #63
    troyzer
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    end of the road wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    They're not asking for a fridge. They're asking to be allowed to take their lunch in Sandyford which Transdev said would require extra drivers to cover lunch periods.

    Hence, hundreds of thousands of euro a year.



    again, because transdev said it would require extra drivers, it doesn't automatically mean it is the case. perhapse, maybe they are playing hardball here and it in fact would only require better rostering with the existing drivers.

    If it was simply a case of buying a fridge and not paying a fortune for more drivers, do you really think Transdev wouldn't have sorted it by now?

    No, of course not. They might of course be exaggerating that figure but by definition, the drivers demands must be imposing extra cost or else they would have done it. Especially when they've already got a reputation for being unable to manage the union. If this genuinely had a simple solution, Transdev would have had every incentive to nip it in the bud early rather than make them look incompetent again


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    #64
    end of the road
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    troyzer wrote: »
    If it was simply a case of buying a fridge and not paying a fortune for more drivers, do you really think Transdev wouldn't have sorted it by now?
    No, of course not. They might of course be exaggerating that figure but by definition, the drivers demands must be imposing extra cost or else they would have done it.

    a fridge is extra cost. the purchase, the extra electricity to operate it. that would impose extra cost on the company, small as it would be.
    troyzer wrote: »
    Especially when they've already got a reputation for being unable to manage the union.
    If this genuinely had a simple solution, Transdev would have had every incentive to nip it in the bud early rather than make them look incompetent again


    look incompetent again? they weren't incompetent the first time, never mind look it, or again. doing a deal with the drivers does not make them incompetent. companies all over the world in various industries will do deals with their staff where there is an industrial issue, are you suggesting that they are all incompetent?
    transdev are perfectly able to manage the union. that's not a problem for them.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #65
    troyzer
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    end of the road wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    If it was simply a case of buying a fridge and not paying a fortune for more drivers, do you really think Transdev wouldn't have sorted it by now?
    No, of course not. They might of course be exaggerating that figure but by definition, the drivers demands must be imposing extra cost or else they would have done it.

    a fridge is extra cost. the purchase, the extra electricity to operate it. that would impose extra cost on the company, small as it would be.
    troyzer wrote: »
    Especially when they've already got a reputation for being unable to manage the union.
    If this genuinely had a simple solution, Transdev would have had every incentive to nip it in the bud early rather than make them look incompetent again


    look incompetent again? they weren't incompetent the first time, never mind look it, or again. doing a deal with the drivers does not make them incompetent. companies all over the world in various industries will do deals with their staff where there is an industrial issue, are you suggesting that they are all incompetent?
    transdev are perfectly able to manage the union. that's not a problem for them.

    You do realise that this has been an issue since the summer and has been to the Labour court? There is absolutely no way any company would drag it through an expensive legal process for the sake of a €400 fridge from Currys. That isn't how the real world works.

    If a company let's a labour dispute escalate to an expensive strike and then capitulates anyway, that is incomeptence.


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    #66
    end of the road
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    troyzer wrote: »
    You do realise that this has been an issue since the summer and has been to the Labour court? There is absolutely no way any company would drag it through an expensive legal process for the sake of a €400 fridge from Currys. That isn't how the real world works.

    If a company let's a labour dispute escalate to an expensive strike and then capitulates anyway, that is incomeptence.

    allowing it to get to a strike is certainly incompetents i would agree. however even when that does happen, realising that a mistake has been made and then trying to resolve the dispute another way wouldn't be incompetents, nor capitulation.
    transdev didn't capitulate when the strike happened, they played hardball, and then excepted it was in everyone's interest to solve the dispute and put an meaningful offer on the table. that is not capitulation, but common sense and good faith.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #67
    troyzer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,199 ✭✭✭troyzer


    end of the road wrote: »
    troyzer wrote: »
    You do realise that this has been an issue since the summer and has been to the Labour court? There is absolutely no way any company would drag it through an expensive legal process for the sake of a €400 fridge from Currys. That isn't how the real world works.

    If a company let's a labour dispute escalate to an expensive strike and then capitulates anyway, that is incomeptence.

    allowing it to get to a strike is certainly incompetents i would agree. however realising that a mistake has been made and then trying to resolve the dispute another way on the other hand wouldn't be. we should remember that when the luas strike happened, transdev didn't capitulate. they played hardball, and then excepted it was in everyone's interest to solve the dispute and put an meaningful offer on the table. that is not capitulation, but common sense and good faith.

    It is capitulation? They didn't want to move and the strike forced them to move.

    It doesn't matter really. The point is that the issue imposes a significant enough cost on Transdev that they seem willing to roll the dice on the Labour court and a strike.

    There is simply no way that an easy fix would be to buy them a fridge. If it was, Shane Ross would probably order it for them to avoid the avalanche of abuse he'll inevitably get.


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    #68
    GM228
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    end of the road wrote: »
    again, because transdev said it would require extra drivers, it doesn't automatically mean it is the case. perhapse, maybe they are playing hardball here and it in fact would only require better rostering with the existing drivers.

    There are currently 67 weekday jobs based out of Sandyford, an exercise was conducted and showed that 72 jobs would be needed to have all breaks at Sandyford.


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    #69
    pjohnson
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    I'd say if we all chip in a bus fare we could probably buy them the fridge ourselves. Black Friday and all that stuff.


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    #70
    Odelay
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    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    Broombridge but it doesn't have a staffed canteen so it's not fit for purpose.

    What “staff” do they need? Maids in uniform serving them? A butler?


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    #71
    LRNM
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    I work for the ambulance service and we're frequently not back to the station to eat lunch. I leave the station at 8:30am most mornings and it might be 7pm or later when I arrive back. So most of us don't leave our lunches at the station, we either bring it in a little bag and try find a place to heat it up (hospital canteen) or we just eat in applegreen or topaz. There are days where I might only get a 30 minute break for an entire 12 hour shift.
    Is it ideal? no not at all but it's not the end of the world.

    I can see why having only 1 or 2 places on the line where they can stop for lunch is a pain. I wonder how often they get a chance to get a break?

    It's a bit ridiculous that SIPTU fight for the LUAS drivers when they practically ignore the ambulance service sector and we've been trying our hardest to raise our voices about some shockingly bad conditions the way we're treated, but because there's only about 1000 members in SIPTU, we're small fry to them so they've give zero shíts.

    I'm glad the luas drivers have earned themselves a good wage and conditions and i'd hope to see things go that way in all the driving professions. I've nothing against the drivers as such

    But SIPTU are only interested in lining their pockets. They're as corrupt.


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    #72
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Is there that many that bring in food rather than running over the road to a spar ? ( In general ? )


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    #73
    tabbey
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    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    It sort of in a way does

    The drivers switch between lines on different days

    One day a driver could be on the green and another on the red etc

    So it kind of effects them all

    Surely tram drivers are allocated to a specific depot, either Sandyford, Broombridge or Red Cow?


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    #74
    Stephen15
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    tabbey wrote: »
    Surely tram drivers are allocated to a specific depot, either Sandyford, Broombridge or Red Cow?

    I believe drivers swap around seems like a peculiar rostering system either way


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    #75
    Jamie2k9
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    I know they swap but suspect they can pick a prefered depot to be based at. However they must swap lines as required by the company.


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    #76
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,790 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    ham&cheese sambo, pack o' Tayto, banana - none of this is going to go off in the few hours it's sitting in the drivers bag on the tram. I presume SIPTU will say 100% of the drivers bring sushi for lunch...

    It would be a lot cheaper for Transdev to pay O'Briens to deliver a tray of sandwiches to Broadstone each day than to hire 5 extra drivers but then I suppose they'd all want to take their lunch there and the red-line guys would want the same.


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    #77
    Gravelly
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    ham&cheese sambo, pack o' Tayto, banana - none of this is going to go off in the few hours it's sitting in the drivers bag on the tram. I presume SIPTU will say 100% of the drivers bring sushi for lunch...

    You haven't factored in the cost of a Tayto-bag-opening training course, not to mention the Banana Skin Removal Certificate.


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    #78
    SeeMoreBut
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    How do they bring their sambos into work?


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    #79
    TheChrisD
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    SeeMoreBut wrote: »
    How do they bring their sambos into work?

    The sambos are escorted in by armed guards :pac:
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    #80
    Stephen Gawking
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    If they move the Apple forward does that not count as part of their lunch? Seriously though, this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in my life. The fact that siptu are involved doesn't surprise me in the least. Cringeworthy beyond belief.


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    #81
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I thought I had it bad with sub ten minute lunch breaks ,

    This has to be the single most rediculous excuse for a strike in a very long time.
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    #82
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Gatling wrote: »
    I thought I had it bad with sub ten minute lunch breaks ,

    This has to be the single most rediculous excuse for a strike in a very long time.


    there isn't any strike. so far anyway.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #83
    PlaneSpeeking
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    end of the road wrote: »
    there isn't any strike. so far anyway.

    It's SIPTU - there's ALWAYS a strike somewhere around.

    And yes, it would be the most ridiculous reason for a strike. Cool box, cool bag, brown paper sarnie wrapper, loads of options.


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    #84
    suicide_circus
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    how in the name of god did I survive 14 odd years of school without a cooler bag?


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    #85
    PlaneSpeeking
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    how in the name of god did I survive 14 odd years of school without a cooler bag?

    You were normal and had common sense and weren't in a pointless union led by morons ???!!


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    #86
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭atticu


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    how in the name of god did I survive 14 odd years of school without a cooler bag?

    You weren’t away from you work place for more than five hours, so you didn’t qualify for the €14 lunch allowance. 😜


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    #87
    end of the road
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    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    You were normal and had common sense and weren't in a pointless union led by morons ???!!

    so no different to the luas drivers then.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #88
    PlaneSpeeking
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    end of the road wrote: »
    so no different to the luas drivers then.

    Where would we be without comedy eh ? Thanks!


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    #89
    3DataModem
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    We are probably about 7-10 years away from "Luas Driver" not being a job, and 15-20 years away from "Bus Driver" and "Taxi Driver" not being a job at any scale.

    These lads can fiddle around in the meantime with lunches and perks, but they remind me of the 6,000 coopers in Ireland in the early part of last century planning to work forever and bequeath their tools and trade to their children. It'll all be over soon.


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    #90
    end of the road
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    3DataModem wrote: »
    We are probably about 7-10 years away from "Luas Driver" not being a job, and 15-20 years away from "Bus Driver" and "Taxi Driver" not being a job at any scale.

    These lads can fiddle around in the meantime with lunches and perks, but they remind me of the 6,000 coopers in Ireland in the early part of last century planning to work forever and bequeath their tools and trade to their children. It'll all be over soon.


    i'd suggest putting those timeframes out by at least another 10 to 20 years.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #91
    PlaneSpeeking
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    end of the road wrote: »
    i'd suggest putting those timeframes out by at least another 10 to 20 years.

    Proof ? Evidence ? Amy kind of rationale behind that vision ?

    Given that a suitably trained parrot could operate a LUAS right now, and that the London DLR is automated - as are many others worldwide - 7 to 10 years may have been an overestimation.


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