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Luas Drivers Cooler Bag Row

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  • #102
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    A parrot could.
    Also they have a distinct advantage over us humans as they don't need to store their bird seed in a fridge, so there....

    *sticks tongue out and blows*

    You wait till Siptu get their hands on them - it'll be "whatta we want ? TRILL When do want it ? NOW!'


  • #103
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I'm not defending the Luas drivers in question but seriously do you have something against transport workers. I don't understand how people can assume a job is easy when they have never that said job. If you've never driven a train, a bus or a tram I don't understand how you can assume it's an easy job.

    Some people are just bitter for the sake of it, others jealous or envious of the percieved wages or are just arrogant know it alls who think its an easy job with absolutely no experience at all.

    As for the whole cooler bag row it does look pretty ridiculous on the outset but I dont know how this couldn't have been solved by simply organising rosters so noone ends up being stuck out of depot for their break. Would only be a green line issue as well as the red line has only the one depot on the red cow.

    Also that video whoever linked it isnt even funny your man comes off like a condesencing prick rather than comedic. Really lousy taste.


  • #104
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I'm not defending the Luas drivers in question but seriously do you have something against transport workers. I don't understand how people can assume a job is easy when they have never that said job. If you've never driven a train, a bus or a tram I don't understand how you can assume it's an easy job.

    Sure just look at the training video he posted. Looks easy to me


  • #105
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I'm not defending the Luas drivers in question but seriously do you have something against transport workers. I don't understand how people can assume a job is easy when they have never that said job. If you've never driven a train, a bus or a tram I don't understand how you can assume it's an easy job.

    There's a video on YouTube somewhere that was done when the Luas opened.

    They had a film crew in the Luas cab following the driver who explained the controls and his job.

    It's a piece of piss.


  • #106
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    There's a video on YouTube somewhere that was done when the Luas opened.

    They had a film crew in the Luas cab following the driver who explained the controls and his job.

    It's a piece of piss.

    Any job where someone can be fully trained in less than two months is not a particularly difficult one. Semi skilled at a stretch.

    I know pros make a job look easy, but driving a luas doesn't look that hard. As I said, there's a union infestation in the Luas system, and that's causing all the issues


  • #107
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Any job where someone can be fully trained in less than two months is not a particularly difficult one. Semi skilled at a stretch.

    I know pros make a job look easy, but driving a luas doesn't look that hard. As I said, there's a union infestation in the Luas system, and that's causing all the issues

    there is no union infestation, so it would be impossible for that to be the cause of the issues. there is a union alright, who acts on the wishes of the members, who whether one agrees or not, believes that there is an issue.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #108
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    end of the road wrote: »
    there is no union infestation, so it would be impossible for that to be the cause of the issues. there is a union alright, who acts on the wishes of the members, who whether one agrees or not, believes that there is an issue.

    Yes there is.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #109
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    Yes there is.

    Don't bother. Strike after strike, this fella's been singing the same old tune.

    You could look up threads from 2016 and earlier to get the same copy/paste responses.


  • #110
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Don't bother. Strike after strike, this fella's been singing the same old tune.

    You could look up threads from 2016 and earlier to get the same copy/paste responses.

    Ah I know.
    I won’t say what he really is as I’ll probably get carded, again:D.
    Ive called him out on his BS a few times and he usually just goes into hiding for a while then pops up again with his nonsense.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #111
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    Ah I know.
    I won’t say what he really is as I’ll probably get carded, again:D.
    Ive called him out on his BS a few times and he usually just goes into hiding for a while then pops up again with his nonsense.

    Feel free to PM me :p:p


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  • #112
    XPS_Zero
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭XPS_Zero


    This is why unions are dying.
    You poor fools are playing right into the hands of the right wing by living up to every caricature of yourselves - you are doing to unions and workers rights what de-platformers and safe spacers are doing to the millennial generations image.


    Unions, as they are now, need to be put out of their misery and started from scratch, with a totally new set up, because if this farce keeps up there will be no such thing in 50 years and workers will get walked all over while this generation who thought nothing of the long term damage they were doing sit in retirement and their successors are living in a world without a minimum wage. THink it can't happen? Were facing fascism again in parts of Europe even though everyone thought the lesson was quite well learned last time. Things can always get worse. When unions went to far last time, in the 70s and it got us the Thatchers and Regans by strikes leaving airline passengers stranded over Christmas, bodies unburied and trash uncollected in the streets. Similar situation, lesson not learned, and now here we are again.




    When some Resse-Mog cartoon politico from FG appears and starts bashing unions and dismantling workers rights, they will target the middle class voters in the private sector who are not union members and use things like this as examples, and it will work. You're walking right into a trap, but it will affect your successors not you so why care eh? Just like the teachers union screwed the people coming up behind them with less pay as long as they were cozy. It's like watching a slow motion train wreck where all the passengers and crew are oblivious.


  • #113
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    What's preventing the facilities from being available to store their lunch in broombridge?


  • #114
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    What's preventing the facilities from being available to store their lunch in broombridge?

    I think the problem is they all start their shifts in Sandyford, and they can't just leave the tram in Broombridge to put their lunch in the fridge.


  • #115
    Dravokivich
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    I think the problem is they all start their shifts in Sandyford, and they can't just leave the tram in Broombridge to put their lunch in the fridge.

    Why not? Departing customers off. Driver locks up. Or security monitor luas, driver leaves lunch in fridge and comes back.


  • #116
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Why not? Departing customers off. Driver locks up. Or security monitor luas, driver leaves lunch in fridge and comes back.

    I'd guess they don't have time, the turnaround in Broombridge is quite tight and the depot is some distance from the stop? But that's just my speculation.


  • #117
    PhoenixParker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    loyatemu wrote: »
    I'd guess they don't have time, the turnaround in Broombridge is quite tight and the depot is some distance from the stop? But that's just my speculation.

    Depot is immediately adjacent and typical dwell time seems to be about ten minutes. One tram departs as the next arrives. They’re on a 10-15 min frequency.

    I’d be very surprised if they’re not popping out to use bathroom facilities when necessary there.


  • #118
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    PhoenixParker wrote: »
    Depot is immediately adjacent and typical dwell time seems to be about ten minutes. One tram departs as the next arrives. They’re on a 10-15 min frequency.

    I’d be very surprised if they’re not popping out to use bathroom facilities when necessary there.

    Very good point. They have to be going to the toilet at some stage.


  • #119
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Proof ? Evidence ? Amy kind of rationale behind that vision ?

    Given that a suitably trained parrot could operate a LUAS right now, and that the London DLR is automated - as are many others worldwide - 7 to 10 years may have been an overestimation.

    Good point, Copenhagens rail system is fully automated as far as I know. Sooner the better here.


  • #120
    ongarboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Good point, Copenhagens rail system is fully automated as far as I know. Sooner the better here.

    Just out of interest, how does an automated tram suddenly halt if a careless pedestrian steps in front of it with no notice as happens frequently in Dublin?


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  • #121
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Just out of interest, how does an automated tram suddenly halt if a careless pedestrian steps in front of it with no notice as happens frequently in Dublin?

    by applying the brakes?


  • #122
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Just out of interest, how does an automated tram suddenly halt if a careless pedestrian steps in front of it with no notice as happens frequently in Dublin?

    See https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108742107&postcount=94

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/23/potsdam-inside-the-worlds-first-autonomous-tram


  • #123
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Good point, Copenhagens rail system is fully automated as far as I know. Sooner the better here.

    it's also completely segregated from anything and everything. it's not a valid comparison to ireland's rail systems.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #124
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    end of the road wrote: »
    it's also completely segregated from anything and everything. it's not a valid comparison to ireland's rail systems.

    Just like Ireland’s system it wasn’t always segregated.
    Things can change you know.....

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #125
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Good point, Copenhagens rail system is fully automated as far as I know. Sooner the better here.

    Is it not like the DLR with someone who can takeover as driver if there's a problem? So not really fully automated.


  • #126
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    DLR doesn't need someone onboard, but there is. They take no action in the driving, it pretty much the way London Underground are going. The train captain manages the doors, that could easily today be automated with screen doors, or even by remote CCTV.

    Line 1 in Paris has been fully automatic for many years, no driver at all


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  • #127
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Line 1 in Paris has been fully automatic for many years, no driver at all

    I was on this line in Paris a few years ago,

    Thought it was interesting at the time

    Then some guy got his foot caught in the closing doors and had to stay there until the next stop for the doors to reopen to retrieve his foot.

    That was fun


  • #128
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    goingnowhere wrote: »
    DLR doesn't need someone onboard, but there is. They take no action in the driving, it pretty much the way London Underground are going. The train captain manages the doors, that could easily today be automated with screen doors, or even by remote CCTV.

    Line 1 in Paris has been fully automatic for many years, no driver at all

    But they can takeover the driving if there's a problem as there's a set of controls under lock and key at the front of the train.

    All the driverless systems that exist today are all light metro type system no heavy rail with shared running and complex signalling and tramway systems wouldn't be suitable either right now as a driver needed in case of accidents.


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