AGA Genesis - DAMN!

stevenmu · 06-12-2012 10:55am

Yeah I've been doing the same. I kinda figured I was overdoing it when one wick just crumbled away when I tried to wrap a coil around it

stevenmu · 06-12-2012 11:06am

Hmm, I just had an idea reading this. Years ago I had an electrical meccano set, and it came with a load of copper wire for making electro magnets. The copper wire was coated with some kind of insulator so you could wrap it around an iron core without it shorting.

I wonder if you can get coated kanthal/nichrome...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 06-12-2012 11:07am

you'd be inhaling the coating though...

stevenmu · 06-12-2012 11:15am

Yeah, it'd need to be something temperature resistant that didn't break down in any way. All I can find at the moment is plastic/rubber type coatings.

Lucutus · 06-12-2012 1:02pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

it's all academic now anyway as i'm selling this to lucutus. I'll just keep that bit of info in memory for the next time I have a brainfart and order a genesis

We can share, by the time I'm pissed off with it, you might want to give it another go...

tommy2bad · 06-12-2012 2:39pm

Dave Dorn mentioned on one of the shows he dose, putting some clingfilm round the wick to insulate it from the deck of the atty. Sounds doge but he said it worked. Might be a silicone grommet would be better. The idea is that the wick takes 0 curent so the coil heats even and thus removes hotspots.
I'll know soon enough, one of these little babys are in the post to me atm.

Bubba9 · 07-12-2012 12:16am

tommy2bad wrote: »

Dave Dorn mentioned on one of the shows he dose, putting some clingfilm round the wick to insulate it from the deck of the atty. Sounds doge but he said it worked. Might be a silicone grommet would be better. The idea is that the wick takes 0 curent so the coil heats even and thus removes hotspots.
I'll know soon enough, one of these little babys are in the post to me atm.

The idea behind these is that you stick your unoxidised wick inside and wind the coil around the tube...no hotspots and trouble-free. Haven't heard much about them so maybe they're useless but it's only a matter of time before a trouble-free set-up comes on the market.

http://www.health-e-vape.co.uk/ss-maximus---wick-tubes-5-pcs-4034-p.asp

was.deevey · 07-12-2012 1:27am

Looks like it would work pretty well, very well actually same concept as the class tubing but the benefit of a wickable substance.

My only concern would be that its going back to the possibility of
A) silica burning

chards of silica threads being inhaled from your Genny (why I wouldnt dream of using silica outside of a clearo device)

If they could seal the cuts or coat them I'd feel better about using one - it looks like basic heatproof wiring covers they use in kitchen equipment which does fray.

Green Hornet · 07-12-2012 1:26pm

I tried that pulse method on the VH genesis using an old eGo battery last night and it actually seemed to work. The wick was pre-oxidised but had the obligitory hot spot at the top coil.......all 4 turns glowed after about 10 mins.

Stupid VH atty has a problem since I got it though. It dies for a while every 6 or 7 tokes. Not the post connection either so don't know what it is. It's always done it no matter what coil or battery that I used.

Half thinking of trying the Aga-S now cos that will work with silica as well.

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 1:17am

I think I have this one working as best as it can, maybe someone can correct me... after pulsing it for a while, the coil glowed even.

Then I filled up with Eden and gave it a vape and it tastes well @ 4.2 on an ego. Plenty of vapour and flavour, tight draw alright, slight dryness.

I notice after firing it for 6+ seconds, I get the top hot spot, can't seem to tweak it away, and I have to tip it to get it to wick properly, otherwise after firing it twice, the hot spot will return more frequently. I doubt these ever wick well if keeping them vertical to vape from them?

First impressions is that it's tons better than a Vivi/CE4/T3 etc... when it works! Looks like a trade off between consistent 'good' vape or an inconsistent 'excellent' vape perhaps?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 10-12-2012 1:24am

i have noticed most reviews tend to vape genesis atties almost horizontal in the videos, so I guess if you're going for a long draw or chain vaping then vertical might not work too well

glad to hear the pulsing thing worked, did it take long?

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 1:30am

Not too long actually, kanthal .20 wrapped four times, glowing started at the top of the coil, I tweaked, then the middle two wraps were glowing, so I thought that was a good place to start pulsing, 5 mins or so later, it was even.

Along the way there were a couple of arc's between the coils, (shorts?), and a light touch got rid of them.

very finicky, some difference for me though, on a par with the spiral dripper almost, if the draw was better maybe.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 10-12-2012 1:33am

yeah when I got the aga-t kinda working twice I did find the draw a bit tight, but you could increase the size of the airhole if you wanted

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 1:37am

Aye, it appears to be a 1mm hole and I have a 1.5mm metal drill bit here somewhere, holding it still while I drill it out might be an issue without a vice or jig of some description...

edit: Actually, while vaping away on it here, in a nice relaxed way, the draw is the main problem alright, have to suck on it like you're trying to get a marble through the mesh wick for a proper vape. Also, the extra O ring to make the hole line up isn't helping my appreciation of the look of the thing, surely I can do something to the threads to make it line up with the wick and avoid the red condom ring look? "I'm not putting my lips on that"

grindle · 10-12-2012 1:43am

The 500# and 625# mesh is supposed to be amazingly fast for wicking, as in they keep up when the device is vertical.

Great to hear the pulsing thing works. Will give it a go on Wednesday, or whenever I get sick of this mud-water Virginia Prime (notgonnahappen).

Took a mini file to the airhole on the AGA and it only needs to be opened up a tiny bit to make the draw better, but it takes ages because it's SS and thick with it.

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 1:54am

Not sure which type of mesh Sir Digby Chicken Caesar gave me here, also, I only have 40x20mm or so in it, might have an effect in some way, a 40x30mm would give me more mesh in the wick, might help get the juice up there.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 10-12-2012 1:55am

ive no idea what kind of mesh it is

got it free aaaaaaaaaaages ago

--edit

checked through my emails

I have mesh300, can send you some for free.

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 1:58am

Cool.

So the 500+ is a finer mesh, with better, hotter, go all night capillary ackshun?

grindle · 10-12-2012 2:00am

The AGA easily takes 40x60mm. Roll it tighter. Wickalicious.

Still needs a tip if chain-vaping (3 long draws gets my top coil glowing) for the 400 mesh.

Lucutus wrote: »

So the 500+ is a finer mesh, with better, hotter, go all night capillary ackshun?

Yup. The 625 apparently wicks too fast for people vaping at lower wattages (read lower as normal - Americans go to crazy temperatures).

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 2:10am

Still have one of the mesh precuts you sent to me grindle, I'll give that a go next week.

grindle · 10-12-2012 2:14am

Mine is 400, you'll be shít outta luck!

Gonna get some 500 soon - if you wanna save on postage costs I can put an order in for the two of us?
No rush or anything. I still have to get another hole drilled into my AGA before I rewick and recoil.

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 2:23am

Aye, lets do that, I checked here: they seem to do a two for one type deal with the A4 and A3 sheets?

grindle · 10-12-2012 2:25am

Where?

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 2:56am

LINK BE HANDY ALRIGHT

stevenmu · 10-12-2012 3:01am

I've been getting great wicking with #400, to the point that if I leave it down for too long it starts emptying the tank. #500 should easily do the job.

I just need to sort the shorting/top-hot-spot issue, I;ll have to give pulsing a go next.

grindle · 10-12-2012 3:12am

Lucutus wrote: »

LINK BE HANDY ALRIGHT

Sounds cool. Not sure if the free mesh is the same type though. I think I recall someone on UKV saying the free sheets are the 200 type. Will check to make sure tomorrow.

stevenmu wrote: »

I've been getting great wicking with #400, to the point that if I leave it down for too long it starts emptying the tank. #500 should easily do the job.

In the AGA-T? What's your set-up measurement-wise? (Again! Why do I read everything I type in a Kenneth Williams voice?)
Super tightly rolled?

Mine is pretty tight and the wicking keeps up if tilted, but I tend to vape with the thing vertical as I look down on the iPad cursing at Super Hexagon.
Damn you to Hell, Super Hexagon!

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 3:29am

grindle wrote: »

What's your set-up measurement-wise? (Again! Why do I read everything I type in a Kenneth Williams voice?)

That's how I read everything you type!

grindle · 10-12-2012 3:40am

Ouch, that's close to the bone.

Dammit!

Gryzor · 10-12-2012 10:13am

Lucutus wrote: »

surely I can do something to the threads to make it line up with the wick and avoid the red condom ring look?

I sanded mine down, just ran the top cap over and back across some sandpaper...did the trick..

stevenmu wrote: »

I've been getting great wicking with #400, to the point that if I leave it down for too long it starts emptying the tank..

That's something i'd like to see!!

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 4:02pm

Gryzor wrote: »

I sanded mine down, just ran the top cap over and back across some sandpaper...did the trick..

n1, will try that when/if I find some paper to suit the job.

Green Hornet · 10-12-2012 4:12pm

I just got the Aga-S today. The hole looks off on it too but I haven't even tried to build it yet because my VH Genesis is actually working very well.

I built the coil on the atomiser itself - the drill bit method never worked for me although it's supposed to be foolproof...............

Gryzor · 10-12-2012 4:42pm

Green Hornet wrote: »

I just got the Aga-S today. The hole looks off on it too but I haven't even tried to build it yet because my VH Genesis is actually working very well.

I built the coil on the atomiser itself - the drill bit method never worked for me although it's supposed to be foolproof...............

Got one of them myself on friday...nice bit of kit. I prefer the tighter draw on it to the AGA-T. The airhole on mine was slightly off, about a quarter turn too far, so no biggy....

I also picked up an AGA-W, got delivery today. Pretty much same as the AGA-T, but no knurling, push-on top cap, so no issues with airhole. It screws together a bit differently aswell...

Lucutus · 10-12-2012 4:42pm

When I was rolling the wick and coil for it, I used a drillbit for rolling the mesh onto and then rolled a coil onto that, fitted the whole lot together.

Thought I was great using the 'drillbit method' till I actually went and looked at Todd's video!

Green Hornet · 10-12-2012 5:35pm

I'm an absolute idiot - I ripped my VH Genesis apart to put the wick into the Aga-S and of course it didnt fit...........raging cos I finally had the VH Genesis working.

I have to say that I dont like the Aga-S either though, its more fiddly than the VH Genesis and I dont like that I cant see what volume remains in the tank either.

I'm not even going to try it anymore. I just dont like that style of set up. I'm happiest with my Bulli and Clockworks RDA, old fashioned kinda guy I guess! To be honest, when I've got them set up properly I still dont really get the hype about the improvement over things like the Bulli or RDA, especially when they are set up using mesh as well.

Bubba9 · 10-12-2012 5:42pm

I don't know much about the Clockworks RTA but couldn't the AGA-T be used in the same way? There's enough holes to feed mesh wicks into the tank...or a hybrid or fiberglass wicks.

Green Hornet · 10-12-2012 7:11pm

I guess it could but its much smaller than Clockworks stuff. Probably difficult enough to do I'd imagine.

tommy2bad · 10-12-2012 8:20pm

Well, got a VH genesis today. Damn car battery was dead as a dodo this morning and is on a charger all day. Thought I might as well spend my time trying the gen.
Mother of God, what fiend from the deepest pit of hell thought this thing up !
All the wire is gone, pop pop, pop. not one coil would last past 2 seconds, always hot on top then pop. No matter how close I kept the wick and center post. A naked bit of wire is not a good idea and the gen design has this 'feature' incorporated into it. What the f...?
It wouldn't fire at all on the VMax, F1, F2 errors, couldnt try the omh of the coil to see if that was the problem.

Have to order some more wire anyway so I'll keep it til then and give it another meter of wire before it goes in the bin (or off the bloody wall).

thank fcuk for the dripper, it kept me sane all day.

Green Hornet · 10-12-2012 8:32pm

Ha ha ha ha......it's all coming back now!

Yeah, I went through a heap of wire with the VH. Pop, pop, pop.

No chance at all using 0.15. Got mine working with 0.2 alright........until I ripped it out to put into the Aga-S......aaaaaaarrrrgggghh

Actually, I don't have a hotspot on the aga even using 0.15 so it definitely is not as bad as the VH. That really is a monster. Used to drive me mad when people on UKV would say the the drill bit method works no problem for it.........no it does not!

was.deevey · 10-12-2012 8:50pm

Well, got a VH genesis today. Damn car battery was dead as a dodo this morning and is on a charger all day. Thought I might as well spend my time trying the gen.
Mother of God, what fiend from the deepest pit of hell thought this thing up !
All the wire is gone, pop pop, pop. not one coil would last past 2 seconds, always hot on top then pop. No matter how close I kept the wick and center post. A naked bit of wire is not a good idea and the gen design has this 'feature' incorporated into it. What the f...?
It wouldn't fire at all on the VMax, F1, F2 errors, couldnt try the omh of the coil to see if that was the problem.

Try the Double Wire method thats posted a few pages back with pics (pages 4 & 7) - I havent had a single hotspot or popped coil since I've started using on on the VH-Genesis combined with only using 2 nuts instead of 3.

Basically the top coil can't pop as you have No Resistance until you are about 1/4 wrap around the wick - you really need to wrap the coil on the wick before inserting and screwing it down or else the top will be off though.

Green Hornet · 10-12-2012 9:29pm

Actually my Aga-S is working now. I sanded the top down to get the air hole somewhat in line with the wick.

It's definitely more forgiving than the VH though. Can't see inside and that bugs me but its much easier to fill even using a Liqua spout. TBS new juice range have really skinny long nosed tips so they'll work even better.

Wonder when ESI will get the clear tubes in?

Gryzor · 10-12-2012 10:51pm

Was reading up on genny wicks on ecf today. Some good stuff in there, one thing I took out of it (digby has mentioned it earlier, but it didn't click with me) was about the amount of heat to use when oxidizing the mesh. I was always aiming for the thing to be black when I finished, apparently if you end up with that, you've overdone it by a good amount. The result of that is the oxidized layer gets very brittle, and falls away easily when coiling.

All you do is apply the torch evenly till it glows a deep red, not bright yellow. Then first the mesh will go a blueish colour, then brown. Brown is what you want. Once you don't burn it till its glowing like the sun it pretty much stays brown. Then do the 3 or so juice burns to lay down some carbon. That's it for the wick...

The other thing mentioned on the thread that I was guilty of was excessive dry burning after I put the coil on, apparently the glowing coils will eventually burn through the oxidized layer to the steel beneath leading to shorts....

I setup one this evening using the tips above along with the drill it method ( sorry hornet

) and it worked pretty well....

The thread is definitely worth a read....

Gryzor · 10-12-2012 10:53pm

Green Hornet wrote: »

Wonder when ESI will get the clear tubes in?

Are there clear tubes available? Bugs me aswell...

Green Hornet · 10-12-2012 11:05pm

Heh heh......I'm sure the drill bit works alright - just not for me. What used to bug me was some people over there on UKV half make it out to be a cinch and that's not the case. It works getting the coil right but getting the wick to the right diameter to slide in easy is not as easy as they make out. I always had more success winding on the wick when it in the atty......

I don't think I'll use the aga without a clear tank - I like to see what's left inside. I assume they will supply them cos they have them for the T.

Bubba9 · 10-12-2012 11:45pm

Might be worth your while to wait a while, there's loads of versions coming out. Now there's the AgaW and soon the AGA-T2 with the option of a pyrex tank

http://www.safercigs.co.uk/AGA-T2_Rebuildable_Tank_atomiser/p705283_8295059.aspx

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 10-12-2012 11:45pm

the -w is the same as the -t but without a screw in top cap so you just push it down onto two o-rings

Gryzor · 11-12-2012 12:32am

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

the -w is the same as the -t but without a screw in top cap so you just push it down onto two o-rings

The tank section is threaded aswell, so the caps actually screw not it, rather than just the nut in the center post keeping the whole thing together...

shamreez · 11-01-2013 12:16pm

Just ordered the AGA - T + yesterday.
It does look promising will have to get it to see how it performs

was.deevey · 11-01-2013 6:33pm

I've just about worn out my VH genesis, Chrome is wearing off the tank and everytime I clean it I'm finding green/black disgusting smelling gunk in the threads and down the center post (yuk!)

From now on I'm going stainless only!

The price of the Aga(s/t) is the same as the VH was as release, and the VH is down to about 8 euro now in some places :-O on the fence now if I should wait for the W or T2 :-S

shamreez · 11-01-2013 6:49pm

was.deevey wrote: »

I've just about worn out my VH genesis, Chrome is wearing off the tank and everytime I clean it I'm finding green/black disgusting smelling gunk in the threads and down the center post (yuk!)

From now on I'm going stainless only!

The price of the Aga(s/t) is the same as the VH was as release, and the VH is down to about 8 euro now in some places :-O on the fence now if I should wait for the W or T2 :-S

AGA-T+ is T2 only

AGA Genesis - DAMN!

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