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AGA Genesis - DAMN!

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    #92
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    Make sure you have an extra length of wire at the leg, double it back so it almost reaches the wick and you have two lengths beside eachother, hold wire in place (needle-nose pliers are handy here) and twist the looped end so that it becomes one twisted wire - make sure it's tight, no spaces.


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    #93
    Green Hornet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Green Hornet


    I see ESI have the AGA-T. I got beat on the VH Genesis do I assume this thing is just as bad? Looks like it anyway.....

    Edit: Apparently the AGA is easier to set up than the VH. Think all those genesis types are probably pretty much the same though.


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    #94
    was.deevey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭was.deevey


    Make sure you have an extra length of wire at the leg, double it back so it almost reaches the wick and you have two lengths beside eachother, hold wire in place (needle-nose pliers are handy here) and twist the looped end so that it becomes one twisted wire - make sure it's tight, no spaces.

    Should end up with something like this when you are done. I did a quarter wrap of the double wire around the wick btw got a hotspot initially at the point when the double wire ends when I tried it first almost touching and it solved it instantly without any further poking or prodding.

    As I said I wrap the coil around the wick first before inserting into the genny and screwing in place. I wrap with a 30 gauge needle though the wick so it keeps its shape nicely, works better than a paperclip IMHO.

    8209771250_f289b883ff_z.jpg

    BTW I Highly reccommend a surgical clamp like below to hold the wire in place while twisting rather than a needle nose, its much easier to get a good tight twist rather than trying to hold the pliers closed ;)

    R539053-01.jpg


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    #95
    tommy2bad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭tommy2bad


    Right.. so now I'v got a syringe, a surgical clamp and various small bottles of dubious liquids in my zipped black bag.
    "But officer, I swear it just for smoking!!"


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    #96
    was.deevey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭was.deevey


    Right.. so now I'v got a syringe, a surgical clamp and various small bottles of dubious liquids in my zipped black bag.

    You'd want to see the parents in law's faces when they see my desk :P


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    #97
    Green Hornet
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    Finally got this thing going as it should. I put an allen key into the wick hole cos its smaller than 2mm. Made the coil on the allen key by attaching to the bottom first and winding 5 turns of 0.2 kanthal around it. Attached the last turn to the post and fired about 8 times after taking allen key out. Rolled the wick and cut bottom at 45 degree angle. inserted the wick and snipped level with the top of the post. bit of a hot spot initially but a small bit of tweaking got rid of it.

    Its vaping very well I must say. That said, its probably only comparable to the Bulli. Bit more vapour alright and a slightly looser draw but when ease of filling is taken into account the Bulli may be back when this runs out of juice. I dont really see much difference in flavour but they say the genesis types take a tank or two to give good flavour.

    On a side note, the new TBS premium juice bottles have a nozzle that makes filling MUCH easier.


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    #98
    heliguyheliguy
    Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭heliguyheliguy


    €5 gensis atty made from a vivi ove rebuildable
    picture.php?albumid=2284&pictureid=14190


    300 ss mesh with a 1mm fg core
    and 8 wraps of .22 Kantal used a washer on the bottom to minimize lead and double back wraping on the top
    picture.php?albumid=2284&pictureid=14189

    Method
    fold over 5mm of mesh flat, roll the mash around 1mm fg wick.
    blowtorch until glows red for 10 secs all over. cut off about an inch at 45 degrees.
    affix he bottom of kanthal wire and wrap around the wick tightly about 8 wraps for .22 (2.4 ohms)
    remover the wick and dry fire the coil till it glows evenly all over.
    juice the the wick and let fluid burn off.
    reinsert the wick down the coil carefully twisting back and forth.

    enjoy

    when it cruds up pull the wick out dry burn the coil till it cleans its self.
    light the wick until the juice burns off.
    insert wick through the coil and your away again, till next time.


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    #99
    heliguyheliguy
    Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭heliguyheliguy


    picture.php?albumid=2284&pictureid=14191


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    #100
    Bubba9
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    Green Hornet wrote: »
    I see ESI have the AGA-T. I got beat on the VH Genesis do I assume this thing is just as bad? Looks like it anyway.....

    Edit: Apparently the AGA is easier to set up than the VH. Think all those genesis types are probably pretty much the same though.

    The AGA is much better than the VH Genesis. Better quality, bigger and nicer finish. I have a DID and I can't see much difference when both are working properly. The AGA has the added option of using cotton/mesh/fg similar to the RTA. The one small downside is that I had to replace the O-ring in order to line up the air hole with the wick. Great value.


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    #101
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    so got my aga-t this morning

    havent tried it yet, still charging battery for the provari

    small question though... i got some spare o-rings with it, i assume to help line the airhole up with the wick hole... but whatever o-ring i put on the airhole goes in the same position every time

    it doesnt seem to make a difference whether i have the o-ring on it or not.. am I supposed to put two o-rings on?


    --edit
    ah, right. two o-rings


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    #102
    Elbow
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    Arrived back into the office to find mine waiting on my desk :)

    Quite impressed with the build quaility for the price but I wont get to play with it until tonight


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    #103
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    yeah it looks like a beautiful piece of kit

    just occured to me I havent sat it on the provari yet to see what it looks like


    looks like a very expensive and very shiny battery powered sex aid


    this is definitely an "at-home" vape


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    #104
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    im assuming it should be possible to attach the wire from the top coil to the top posts without making my wick look like a particularly bent banana?


    3 coils done so far, so far with each one of them the wire going from the top coil to the top post has glowed bright red and snapped very quickly

    i can see this being very frustrating


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    #105
    Gryzor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Gryzor


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    im assuming it should be possible to attach the wire from the top coil to the top posts without making my wick look like a particularly bent banana?


    3 coils done so far, so far with each one of them the wire going from the top coil to the top post has glowed bright red and snapped very quickly

    i can see this being very frustrating

    Try the drillbit method, or looping back the wire between the top post and the top of the wick. Both worked for me, but i did have to push the wick towards the top post in both cases.


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    #106
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    ill give it another shot later in the afternoon

    have to go play with the dog at mams house for a few hours to keep him company so taking the bulli with me

    http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534100_4382921144450_335498371_n.jpg

    happy happy fun time


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    #107
    was.deevey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭was.deevey


    Highly recommend you try the double wire wrap method that I posted the photo of earlier (once you are finished with the dog)...I'm kinda pissed I hadn't tried it before, 1000x less prep time and ongoing wick twisting.


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    #108
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    ill give it a shot alright, back home now and once the mind numbing pain in my shins has gone away i'll crack open the aga-t again


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    #109
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    right i didnt try twisting the wires yet but I did get a working coil

    its pretty damn good.. little bit of a hot spot if i hold the fire button down for a few seconds.. think it's more to do with the wick than the coil. vaping wingnuts pink tiger, very happy with the flavour of it

    the draw is a bit tight but its not a deal breaker and im sure I'll get used to it.. once i've vaped this 3ml i'll either try a new coil or else keep this one going and see if it improves with use


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    #110
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    this is really wrecking my tits


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    #111
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    Mangled tits. Bad for the brain. Have you twisted the wire?

    The SS mesh side is the side with two screws, I've found the silica/cotton wick side (with the post) to have a never-ending unforgiving hotspot on the negative leg that even the twisted wire wouldn't fix if you use SS with it.
    Maybe... Double twisted wire?

    Might get some NR wire to SS-ify that hole.

    To frustrate yourself more, watch a video of Zen recoiling. Takes him a minute and a couple of wire-pokes and he's done. Pig.


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    #112
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    hrm.. the hole on "the silica side" of mine is bigger than the hole on the mesh side, so i've been using that for the mesh.. ill try the other side, see if i have better luck

    --edit

    wait a minute, nevermind
    ive already been using the SS mesh side

    **** it so

    --edit

    this is what I get for cheating on my bulli
    it's in the desk drawer and that's where it's staying


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    #113
    Lucutus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Lucutus


    I fancy a challenge, ordering one now.


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    #114
    Lucutus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Lucutus


    out of stock ESI! *shakes head sadly*


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    #115
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    dug it out of the drawer
    tried six coils
    every single one, same spot, same hotspot, wire snaps

    tried .15 kanthal and .20 nichrome, i dont have a drill to twist wires together and i gave up 10 minutes into doing it by hand

    someone come to carlow and set this up for me


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    #116
    Bubba9
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭Bubba9


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    dug it out of the drawer
    tried six coils
    every single one, same spot, same hotspot, wire snaps

    tried .15 kanthal and .20 nichrome, i dont have a drill to twist wires together and i gave up 10 minutes into doing it by hand

    someone come to carlow and set this up for me

    Here's what I do...might not work for you but worth a shot. After oxidising and burning liquid off wrap your wire around the coil...I usually do 5, sometimes 6 wraps of .2 Nicrome. Insert coil and wrap bottom wire around screw, pull hard and secure to opposite end of base with thumb. Tighten screw. Holding top of wick with thumb use other hand to pull wire tight and wrap around positive post and tighten screw. Make sure all sides of wire are touching the coil and you can't see between wire and coil. Trim wire ends. Attach to battery and using lowest voltage give a few short burst to check for hotspots. If any found wiggle wires up or down to find an oxidised spot. If this works drip some juice on the coil and give a few pulses, repeat once or twice to build up some oxidisation and strengthen wire. Attach top cap (you need to replace the O-ring with one at least twice as thick in order to line up the air holes). Hopefully vape like the Hamlet cigar man.


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    #117
    Green Hornet
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    Heh heh......they really are a bear!


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    #118
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    Bubba9 wrote: »
    Here's what I do...might not work for you but worth a shot. After oxidising and burning liquid off wrap your wire around the coil...I usually do 5, sometimes 6 wraps of .2 Nicrome. Insert coil and wrap bottom wire around screw, pull hard and secure to opposite end of base with thumb. Tighten screw. Holding top of wick with thumb use other hand to pull wire tight and wrap around positive post and tighten screw. Make sure all sides of wire are touching the coil and you can't see between wire and coil. Trim wire ends. Attach to battery and using lowest voltage give a few short burst to check for hotspots. If any found wiggle wires up or down to find an oxidised spot. If this works drip some juice on the coil and give a few pulses, repeat once or twice to build up some oxidisation and strengthen wire. Attach top cap (you need to replace the O-ring with one at least twice as thick in order to line up the air holes). Hopefully vape like the Hamlet cigar man.


    the coils themselves dont appear to be the issue

    it's the length of wire between where the wire leaves the wick at the top coil and meets the centre post
    every coil I make that just glows instant red no matter the voltage.


    right there where the arrow is in the attached pic

    course that scottish bastard gets it working fine

    ecigs make me so angry


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    #119
    Bubba9
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭Bubba9


    If when you're ready to attach the top coil pull on the wire so that the wick bends towards the centre post. Shortening the distance will decrease the chance of a hot spot there. Don't let them touch, though


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    #120
    Green Hornet
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    You really should find a drill bit. It does work better. Try an Allen key either if you can't find a drill bit.


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    #121
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    Bubba9 wrote: »
    If when you're ready to attach the top coil pull on the wire so that the wick bends towards the centre post. Shortening the distance will decrease the chance of a hot spot there. Don't let them touch, though

    i did. didnt make a difference
    its like the current is just travelling all the way through the wick and then exiting through that wire. but i tested the wick with a meter and it's non conductive


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