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AGA Genesis - DAMN!

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  • #102
    Elbow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Elbow


    Arrived back into the office to find mine waiting on my desk :)

    Quite impressed with the build quaility for the price but I wont get to play with it until tonight


  • #103
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    yeah it looks like a beautiful piece of kit

    just occured to me I havent sat it on the provari yet to see what it looks like


    looks like a very expensive and very shiny battery powered sex aid


    this is definitely an "at-home" vape


  • #104
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    im assuming it should be possible to attach the wire from the top coil to the top posts without making my wick look like a particularly bent banana?


    3 coils done so far, so far with each one of them the wire going from the top coil to the top post has glowed bright red and snapped very quickly

    i can see this being very frustrating


  • #105
    Gryzor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Gryzor


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    im assuming it should be possible to attach the wire from the top coil to the top posts without making my wick look like a particularly bent banana?


    3 coils done so far, so far with each one of them the wire going from the top coil to the top post has glowed bright red and snapped very quickly

    i can see this being very frustrating

    Try the drillbit method, or looping back the wire between the top post and the top of the wick. Both worked for me, but i did have to push the wick towards the top post in both cases.


  • #106
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    ill give it another shot later in the afternoon

    have to go play with the dog at mams house for a few hours to keep him company so taking the bulli with me

    http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534100_4382921144450_335498371_n.jpg

    happy happy fun time


  • #107
    was.deevey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭was.deevey


    Highly recommend you try the double wire wrap method that I posted the photo of earlier (once you are finished with the dog)...I'm kinda pissed I hadn't tried it before, 1000x less prep time and ongoing wick twisting.


  • #108
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    ill give it a shot alright, back home now and once the mind numbing pain in my shins has gone away i'll crack open the aga-t again


  • #109
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    right i didnt try twisting the wires yet but I did get a working coil

    its pretty damn good.. little bit of a hot spot if i hold the fire button down for a few seconds.. think it's more to do with the wick than the coil. vaping wingnuts pink tiger, very happy with the flavour of it

    the draw is a bit tight but its not a deal breaker and im sure I'll get used to it.. once i've vaped this 3ml i'll either try a new coil or else keep this one going and see if it improves with use


  • #110
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    this is really wrecking my tits


  • #111
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    Mangled tits. Bad for the brain. Have you twisted the wire?

    The SS mesh side is the side with two screws, I've found the silica/cotton wick side (with the post) to have a never-ending unforgiving hotspot on the negative leg that even the twisted wire wouldn't fix if you use SS with it.
    Maybe... Double twisted wire?

    Might get some NR wire to SS-ify that hole.

    To frustrate yourself more, watch a video of Zen recoiling. Takes him a minute and a couple of wire-pokes and he's done. Pig.


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  • #112
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    hrm.. the hole on "the silica side" of mine is bigger than the hole on the mesh side, so i've been using that for the mesh.. ill try the other side, see if i have better luck

    --edit

    wait a minute, nevermind
    ive already been using the SS mesh side

    **** it so

    --edit

    this is what I get for cheating on my bulli
    it's in the desk drawer and that's where it's staying


  • #113
    Lucutus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Lucutus


    I fancy a challenge, ordering one now.


  • #114
    Lucutus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Lucutus


    out of stock ESI! *shakes head sadly*


  • #115
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    dug it out of the drawer
    tried six coils
    every single one, same spot, same hotspot, wire snaps

    tried .15 kanthal and .20 nichrome, i dont have a drill to twist wires together and i gave up 10 minutes into doing it by hand

    someone come to carlow and set this up for me


  • #116
    Bubba9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Bubba9


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    dug it out of the drawer
    tried six coils
    every single one, same spot, same hotspot, wire snaps

    tried .15 kanthal and .20 nichrome, i dont have a drill to twist wires together and i gave up 10 minutes into doing it by hand

    someone come to carlow and set this up for me

    Here's what I do...might not work for you but worth a shot. After oxidising and burning liquid off wrap your wire around the coil...I usually do 5, sometimes 6 wraps of .2 Nicrome. Insert coil and wrap bottom wire around screw, pull hard and secure to opposite end of base with thumb. Tighten screw. Holding top of wick with thumb use other hand to pull wire tight and wrap around positive post and tighten screw. Make sure all sides of wire are touching the coil and you can't see between wire and coil. Trim wire ends. Attach to battery and using lowest voltage give a few short burst to check for hotspots. If any found wiggle wires up or down to find an oxidised spot. If this works drip some juice on the coil and give a few pulses, repeat once or twice to build up some oxidisation and strengthen wire. Attach top cap (you need to replace the O-ring with one at least twice as thick in order to line up the air holes). Hopefully vape like the Hamlet cigar man.


  • #117
    Green Hornet
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    Heh heh......they really are a bear!


  • #118
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    Bubba9 wrote: »
    Here's what I do...might not work for you but worth a shot. After oxidising and burning liquid off wrap your wire around the coil...I usually do 5, sometimes 6 wraps of .2 Nicrome. Insert coil and wrap bottom wire around screw, pull hard and secure to opposite end of base with thumb. Tighten screw. Holding top of wick with thumb use other hand to pull wire tight and wrap around positive post and tighten screw. Make sure all sides of wire are touching the coil and you can't see between wire and coil. Trim wire ends. Attach to battery and using lowest voltage give a few short burst to check for hotspots. If any found wiggle wires up or down to find an oxidised spot. If this works drip some juice on the coil and give a few pulses, repeat once or twice to build up some oxidisation and strengthen wire. Attach top cap (you need to replace the O-ring with one at least twice as thick in order to line up the air holes). Hopefully vape like the Hamlet cigar man.


    the coils themselves dont appear to be the issue

    it's the length of wire between where the wire leaves the wick at the top coil and meets the centre post
    every coil I make that just glows instant red no matter the voltage.


    right there where the arrow is in the attached pic

    course that scottish bastard gets it working fine

    ecigs make me so angry


  • #119
    Bubba9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Bubba9


    If when you're ready to attach the top coil pull on the wire so that the wick bends towards the centre post. Shortening the distance will decrease the chance of a hot spot there. Don't let them touch, though


  • #120
    Green Hornet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Green Hornet


    You really should find a drill bit. It does work better. Try an Allen key either if you can't find a drill bit.


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  • #121
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    Bubba9 wrote: »
    If when you're ready to attach the top coil pull on the wire so that the wick bends towards the centre post. Shortening the distance will decrease the chance of a hot spot there. Don't let them touch, though

    i did. didnt make a difference
    its like the current is just travelling all the way through the wick and then exiting through that wire. but i tested the wick with a meter and it's non conductive


  • #122
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    Green Hornet wrote: »
    You really should find a drill bit. It does work better. Try an Allen key either if you can't find a drill bit.

    i have neither :)


  • #123
    Bubba9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Bubba9


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    i did. didnt make a difference
    its like the current is just travelling all the way through the wick and then exiting through that wire. but i tested the wick with a meter and it's non conductive

    Don't know so...has me beat. I've made about 5 coils for Aga and Did using my method and worked everytime. I vaguely remeber there was a threat on top coil hotspots on one of the forums...might have been UK Vapers...might be worth searching for it.


  • #124
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    To twist by hand put one end of the wire around one finger, the other end around another, maybe two fingers away. Now get something straight to pull and tauten it, and start twisting.

    I also don't have a drill.

    Fuck drills.

    Anyway, one minute job, max.


  • #125
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    spent half an hour twisting somne wire tigether, got a working coil..... well, kinda working
    it still glows on the top coil first and most, but the rest are glowing now

    it's vaping.. but it's harsh as all ****


  • #126
    Green Hornet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Green Hornet


    You'll be back on the Bulli again!

    Actually, I did get my VH Genesis working well, eventually..........but I still don't see that it outperforms the humble Bulli. Works well though but filling it is not worth the hassle.


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  • #127
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    yeah, the aga-t is actualy vaping better on my twist than on the provari but it's still not good

    im gona give it another shot tomorrow with some fibreglass, maybe... but i'm just counting this as an inexpensive experiment. both times I tried to use a genesis atty it was an exercise in frustration. I just don't have the patience or the inclination to perfect it. my bulli is my bulli, it's simple and it's awesome.


  • #128
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    ok tried fibreglass wick, cant get it to work

    **** this

    lucutus, you want it?

    17 incl p&p and about half an a4 sheet of mesh?

    if you drive down to carlow i'll throw in a chefs blowtorch + some gas, call the whole thing atty and torch 20 quid?


  • #129
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    I am thinking of buying a e cig for the wife for Christmas.

    What do people recommend on here and where do I buy?


  • #130
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    not a ****ing aga-t anyway :)

    http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/kangtwist.htm is the kit everyone is reccomending these days. simple to use, good performance, easy to know how much juice is left. the length might be a bit offputting at first but everyone gets used to it and it can be a good thing that it doesn't really resemble a cigarette, break that mental addiction even if it isn't breaking the habit.


  • #131
    Elbow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Elbow


    Right...... Well..... how do I put this

    no hot spots, no popped coils, wicks perfectly, plumes of vapour and throat hit to beat the band


    however


    I'm not blown away by any means, its fine, it works but to be honest its no better then the rta with a mesh wick, It's harder to get right and I'm not convinced its worth the extra effort.


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  • #132
    Green Hornet
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    See? That's what I think too! It works well after spending 34567 years setting it up but I don't see that it's any better in any way than the Bulli or RDA or any other non hyped to death set up out there.

    Even though mine is set up well I'm sitting here using the Bulli cos I'm using a couple of flavours. Just pop out the tank and throw in the new juice. Done!


  • #133
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    How easy are dual-coils in the RTA?


  • #134
    Elbow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Elbow


    grindle wrote: »
    How easy are dual-coils in the RTA?

    Honestly i've only over tried it once and while it worked fine eventually it was a pain in the ass!


  • #135
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    Might as well stick with the Aga then, persevere. *sigh*

    Who knew dual-coils in a tank would be so different to duals in a chamber?


  • #136
    Lucutus
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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    ok tried fibreglass wick, cant get it to work

    **** this

    lucutus, you want it?

    17 incl p&p and about half an a4 sheet of mesh?

    if you drive down to carlow i'll throw in a chefs blowtorch + some gas, call the whole thing atty and torch 20 quid?


    Sounds good, not around for a while so it will be next week by the time I get down to you, thanks m8.


  • #137
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    no worries


  • #138
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    decided to give this another shot to see if I could salvage anything out of it, to make an aga-s or other genesis a possible purchase in the future

    nope, **** it. **** genesis. i'm done


  • #139
    Green Hornet
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    I'm the same. I've tried at least 20 or 30 set ups and at best I get it alright but never great at all. I tried again yesterday and failed.

    I'm done too.


  • #140
    tommy2bad
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    I'm gona have to try one, just to see if I can.
    Thing is, I happy out with a cheap VH Dripper and even the thought of going away from it gives me a cold shiver.
    Almost ran out of wick, was looking at the boge cartos thinking "you used to be so cool" .


  • #141
    Green Hornet
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    Funny thing is that over on UKV all the new vapers who are looking at rebuildables are being encouraged to try these things. I think they'd be better trying things like RDA's, Bulli's and some of the 'old fashioned' rebuildables first. If it was my first rebuildable I'd be put off for life!


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  • #142
    grindle
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    It's amazing the amount who're having no problems first time. And amazing that they're wondering why it seems like everyone's having problems with it (clue: first mega-affordable Genesis - many newbies).
    I do wonder if they're Gen-aficionados.

    Mine is going fine at the moment, but the chances of me ever getting dualled-up with it are slim (twice the heartache of setting up with SS, hmmm), which was why I wanted it.

    Now I've seen Todd's Phoenix/Spheroid hack, I want a large Phoenix with a bottom air-hole. Do these exist?
    That should hold 3-4ml or thereabouts, and would be so so easy to build two trouble-free coils in.
    That would be heaven.

    Yes, yes, that one will be heaven. That one.


  • #143
    Bubba9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Bubba9


    grindle wrote: »

    Now I've seen Todd's Phoenix/Spheroid hack, I want a large Phoenix with a bottom air-hole. Do these exist?
    That should hold 3-4ml or thereabouts, and would be so so easy to build two trouble-free coils in.
    That would be heaven.

    Yes, yes, that one will be heaven. That one.

    Todd is a bit of a genius for thinking up that. If it performs anything like the Spheroid it's a great invention. It gives such an unmerciful throat hit that I had to go and make some 12mg juice (I normally use 24) for it. Flavour is top notch too. Funny thing is, even though I have no bother setting up genesis coils it takes me three or four goes to make the coil for the Spheroid. It's the hand-tightened nuts that I can't seem to master...used to screws and screwdrivers to tighten coils.


  • #144
    was.deevey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭was.deevey


    Possibly the trouble easy coil future future, pyrex tube + mesh .. looks awesome :D



  • #145
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    That looks the job! Anyone could make a Genni with that yoke.

    How much is this future purchase?


  • #146
    Gryzor
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    grindle wrote: »
    That looks the job! Anyone could make a Genni with that yoke.

    How much is this future purchase?

    Yerman just bought some pyrex tubing and stuck it in the wickhole, could be done with the aga-t too, or any genny atty methinks.

    big thread on it ukv with links for ordering the tubing...


  • #147
    was.deevey
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    Yerman just bought some pyrex tubing and stuck it in the wickhole, could be done with the aga-t too, or any genny atty methinks.

    big thread on it ukv with links for ordering the tubing...

    Its not "safe" yet though as is mentioned on the thread ... Pyrex is not the ideal solution, but the idea is a step in the right direction.

    Come to thing of it cant see why a ceramic material like the bowl on the ce2's in a tube shape would not be a better idea if someone starts manufactures it. ... it doesn't necessarily need to be a clear material.


  • #148
    Bubba9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Bubba9


    Maybe a solution to anyone having problems getting a genesis atomiser working:



  • #149
    Gryzor
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    Aga-s on esi


  • #150
    Gryzor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Gryzor


    Bubba9 wrote: »
    Maybe a solution to anyone having problems getting a genesis atomiser working:

    Tried this last night, no go for me anyway. Top hotspot never went away.

    I did then have to build a new coil, and it's turned out to be brilliant. Best genny coil i've ever managed, this thing is vaping like a train now :)


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  • #151
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    just saw over on ukvapers people saying not to get the mesh too hot when you're oxidising it, has to barely glow a dark red where I've been keeping it in the flame for ages till it glows bright orange... might be the cause of my issues with hotspots


    it's all academic now anyway as i'm selling this to lucutus. I'll just keep that bit of info in memory for the next time I have a brainfart and order a genesis


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