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How do you legally become a Traveller in Ireland?

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  • 28-11-2020 3:40am
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    sasta le
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    They have been granted ethnic status so how do you become a Traveller in Ireland?


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    ED E
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    Marry your cousin.


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    antix80
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    Buy a caravan.


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    NIMAN
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    Surely you have to be born one.


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    StevenToast
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    Rob gates

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



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    sasta le
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    Looking for serious discussion only


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    IAMAMORON
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    There is no fundamental capability ... or culpability

    those who say they know don't know those you say they do not know those who say they know.

    Pick that one out of your whole.


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    Homer
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    I think you need at least a b+ in fly tipping? Could be a rumour.


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    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Surely you have to be born one.

    But how is it proven?For example Third level have Traveller access routes etc


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    Quantum Erasure
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    StevenToast wrote: »
    Rob gates

    I knew a lad called Bobby Gates, once.


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    spurious
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    sasta le wrote:
    But how is it proven?For example Third level have Traveller access routes etc

    I think for the above you just declare yourself to be a traveller.

    It's an interesting question.


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    riffmongous
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    What does ethnic status actually legally mean?


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    Fall_Guy
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    sasta le wrote: »
    Looking for serious discussion only

    Is it something you're giving serious consideration to? Be prepared to take a constant unchallenged stream of abuse from the vast majority of the population regardless of how you live your life based on this new found status you seem to be envious of.


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    Staplor
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    I spent a while reading up on ethnicity and the best way to ask someone's ethnicity is an open ended question.

    I may identify my ethnicity as white Irish, Irish, smelly, brown haired, whatever I like. I could throw in whatever I like, Irish jedi traveller.

    What are the benefits to identifying as an ethnic minority?


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    JCJCJC
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    As far as I know, the only time the law has attempted to define what a traveller is is in the 1988 Housing Act:


    (7) This section shall be deemed to have come into operation on the 2nd day of October, 1984.

    Provision of sites for travellers.

    13.—(1) This section applies to persons belonging to the class of persons who traditionally pursue or have pursued a nomadic way of life.


    So, if you have pursued a nomadic way of life, you’re in. That has been extended to include families of such persons, so if you marry a traveller, you’re also in. The black guy who married Mrs Ward after her husband died is a traveller at law.


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    Allinall
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    sasta le wrote: »
    But how is it proven?For example Third level have Traveller access routes etc

    It would be on your birth certificate.

    Father. John-Joe NcDonagh.

    Mother: Winnie Joyce


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    Sleeper12
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    It's like being Jewish. AFAIK you can't "become" a Jew. You have to be born a Jew


    I'm not sure why you'd want to become a traveler.They have better protection from racial abuse now but they don't get any special treatment from social welfare & the likes. The cons would very much outweigh the pros IMO


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    Sleeper12
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    sasta le wrote: »
    But how is it proven?For example Third level have Traveller access routes etc




    Here's your problem. If you were a traveler there would be a record of it from starting school. You'd find it difficult making your way through school years without the department of education knowing that you were a traveler & only announce it aged 18 looking for a collage place


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    Pkiernan
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    Mods haven't seen this thread yet obviously.


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    boombang
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    Fall_Guy wrote: »
    Is it something you're giving serious consideration to? Be prepared to take a constant unchallenged stream of abuse from the vast majority of the population regardless of how you live your life based on this new found status you seem to be envious of.

    Would they not enjoy a free pass for every transgression from Kitty Holland and the rest of the media?

    Seriously through, it presumably would be advantageous. If you're a traveller on paper you would benefit from official Ireland. If in practice you're not a traveller, nobody in the rest of life is going to discrimate against you.


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    Bicyclette
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    Very interesting discussion.

    My surname is one that would be found frequently among the traveller community and there would have been traveller communities with that name in the locations where my great grandfather and grandfather grew up (different counties).

    But we are very much a settled family. However I'm not averse to spending a few weeks in France each year (Covid permitting) in a mobile home on a campsite :D

    I've done DNA testing for Genealogy purposes. I can't see there being anything there that would prove or disprove my heritage. Unless there is mass testing and sharing of DNA from the Traveller Community. And even then, who knows, there MAY be links.

    Its a good debate to have.

    When studying sociology we were told that culture was defined as the Shared attitudes, beliefs and behaviours of a group. In effect something that could be mimicked for all intents and purposes.

    If you look at other things where discrimination can occur - all of them can be proven to some extent: Gender, Age, Marital Status, Nationality, Family Status etc. How can you prove membership of the Traveller Community?


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    nuac
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    Mod
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    un5byh7sqpd2x0
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    It's like being Jewish. AFAIK you can't "become" a Jew. You have to be born a Jew

    Of course you can convert to Judaism


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