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Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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  • 06-03-2019 9:59pm
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    Kermit.de.frog
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    ...for the 7th separate occasion since 2012!

    https://www.thejournal.ie/kildare-farmer-thomas-reid-lodges-fresh-objection-in-ongoing-battle-with-intel-4527582-Mar2019/?utm_source=twitter_short
    In total, the $8 billion (€7bn) investment – which will employ 6,000 construction workers at peak and 1,600 full time jobs on completion – will represent the largest single private investment in the history of the State on one project if given the go-ahead by Intel globally.

    Consultants for Intel have told Kildare County Council that the firm has already invested $12.5 billion (€11bn) on its site at Leixlip and the firm is seeking a 10 year planning permission for its new application.

    However, Reid of Hedsor House, Blakestown, Carton, Maynooth, is seeking to frustrate the multi-national’s plans after lodging a two page hand-written objection against the new application.

    I hope this is not another Apple in Galway fiasco

    This time the cost could be far more real and devastating for this area than Apple in Galway.


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    Fr_Dougal
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    They tried a CPO on his farm.
    In 2015, Reid emerged victorious in his battle with the IDA where a unanimous Supreme Court found that the IDA making of a Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO) for Reid’s 72-acre farm adjacent to the Intel campus had been in excess of the IDA’s powers.

    Can’t really blame him.


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    KERSPLAT!
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    I'd like to know his reasons before branding him any sort of so and so. He may have legitimate concerns, and if so I would hope some sort of compromise could be made considering the impact such a site would have locally. Huge money involved.


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    Victor
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    Is this the same guy who the IDA tried to take his land illegally to give to Intel. I think the "crazy" comment might be unfair and in such circumstances any anxiety might be understandable.


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    Kermit.de.frog
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    They tried a CPO on his farm.



    Can’t really blame him.

    Ok, I removed the "crazy" comment.


    BUT...they didn't CPO his land so why is he objecting then???


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    amcalester
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    Victor wrote: »
    Is this the same guy who the IDA tried to take his land illegally to give to Intel. I think the "crazy" comment might be unfair and in such circumstances any anxiety might be understandable.

    The very same.


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    freshpopcorn
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    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    I'd like to know his reasons before branding him any sort of so and so. He may have legitimate concerns, and if so I would hope some sort of compromise could be made considering the impact such a site would have locally. Huge money involved.

    From my understanding he doesn't want to give up his farm/land that has being in his family for generations.


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    [Deleted User]
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    if one fella needs to have a cpo hit him for 8bn to be invested then that is exactly what should happen


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    Wheeliebin30
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    Was listening to something on the radio yesterday about how in other countries the good of the nation and people trumps the worry of a few individuals when it comes to things like this.

    Basically most countries just tell the people this is happening and you can do nothing about it.

    It’s for the greater good.

    These numpties are always complaining about something.

    Nimbyisn at its finest and also a huge factor in the housing situation.


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    major bill
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    Would love to know more about his reasons the article doesn’t go into a lot of detail on this!!


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    KERSPLAT!
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    if one fella needs to have a cpo hit him for 8bn to be invested then that is exactly what should happen

    Legally. It should be done legally, not like the previous CPO, according to the article.


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    TheValeyard
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    if one fella needs to have a cpo hit him for 8bn to be invested then that is exactly what should happen

    Easy to say when it's not your family home and legacy. It's a complex situation.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    Victor
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Was listening to something on the radio yesterday about how in other countries the good of the nation and people trumps the worry of a few individuals when it comes to things like this.
    That may be well and good where it is a public service like a road, water pipe or power line.

    A factory owner not willing to pay market price for land is a whole other matter.


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    LessOutragePlz
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    When do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or in this case one person?

    I'm going to say that this is a case where the needs of the many should outweigh the needs of one person.


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    Plumbthedepths
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote:
    BUT...they didn't CPO his land so why is he objecting then???


    Only because he took the IDA to the supreme court and won.


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    Kermit.de.frog
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Only because he took the IDA to the supreme court and won.

    And...why object now then? :confused:


    Just for spite or just because he can???


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    Plumbthedepths
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote:
    Just for spite or just because he can???


    You could ask him instead of branding him crazy.


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    type85
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    When do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or in this case one person?

    I'm going to say that this is a case where the needs of the many should outweigh the needs of one person.

    What is this "need" and where does this "need" come from?


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    Bada Bing Boy
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    Victor wrote: »
    That may be well and good where it is a public service like a road, water pipe or power line.

    A factory owner not willing to pay market price for land is a whole other matter.

    I grew up on a farm nearby and know well he was offered above and beyond the market value of his land..


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    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    Easy to say when it's not your family home and legacy. It's a complex situation.

    it's easy to say full stop

    our obsession with the individual landowner in this country is a large part of what has the place fcuked

    the field is as piercing an observation as it ever was about our fetish for thick fcukers and their connection to 'the land'

    the greater good


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    Kermit.de.frog
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You could ask him instead of branding him crazy.
    Reid unsuccessfully opposed the $4 billion first phase of the ‘fab’ plan in 2017 when lodging an objection against the application and then appealing the Council decision to An Bord Pleanála.


    Strikes me as a crazy vendetta because the IDA tried CPO his land.

    They haven't CPO'ed his land because he won so I don't see why 1,000's of jobs should be put at risk.


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    TheValeyard
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    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    When do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or in this case one person?

    I'm going to say that this is a case where the needs of the many should outweigh the needs of one person.

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    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    Rows Grower
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    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    I'd like to know his reasons before branding him any sort of so and so. He may have legitimate concerns, and if so I would hope some sort of compromise could be made considering the impact such a site would have locally. Huge money involved.

    He has totally legitimate concerns, that's why he has won previously in court.

    The plans Intel have are not in accordance with proper planning and development of the area.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    Legally. It should be done legally, not like the previous CPO, according to the article.

    i agree

    but it should be a lot easier and quicker to do legally

    and objecting should be a lot more difficult and expensive

    and decisions should be much quicker in all cases


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    Plumbthedepths
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote:
    Strikes me as a crazy vendetta because the IDA tried CPO his land.


    You're only guessing so you don't know, just as you assumed you know his mental state


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    TheValeyard
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    it's easy to say full stop

    our obsession with the individual landowner in this country is a large part of what has the place fcuked

    Probably because of the individual landowners getting fcuked over by the powers that be in the past. Land is a very sensitive issue in this country.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    Mad_maxx
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    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    From my understanding he doesn't want to give up his farm/land that has being in his family for generations.

    There wouldn't be a decent road in the country if guys like him were indulged


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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    He has totally legitimate concerns, that's why he has won previously in court.

    The plans Intel have are not in accordance with proper planning and development of the area.

    i dont know if its only on boards or what

    but everywhere else on the internet knows that the phrase 'legitimate concerns' is genuinely like a shorthand/dogwhistle for 'bad faith opposition'


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    KERSPLAT!
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    i agree

    but it should be a lot easier and quicker to do legally

    and objecting should be a lot more difficult and expensive

    and decisions should be much quicker in all cases

    It shouldn't be more difficult and more expensive, the common man should be able to lodge an appeal the same as any other. You shouldn't need to be wealthy to do so.

    I'm not saying I agree with this man but there's an appeal process and he's free to avail of it. The same as he did regarding an illegal CPO.

    I do agree that all of this should be done much quicker however to avoid issues like the datacentre


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    LessOutragePlz
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    type85 wrote: »
    What is this "need" and where does this "need" come from?

    The need for jobs/employment which in turn will support other secondary jobs and provide the government with increased tax revenue.

    While I'm presuming the other person's need is for his land for future generations and/or his livelihood.


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    Rows Grower
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    There wouldn't be a decent road in the country if guys like him were indulged

    Nowhere near the truth.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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