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Do you trust Bill Gates?

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  • #102
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »
    Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His past

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html[/url]action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    Many people met with Epstein, including Trump. They were long-time friends and literal neighbours, one gathering in the nineties comprised of Trump, Epstein and 28 models. It's widely reported they fell out in 2004 over a property deal years before Epsteins indictment. The guy that wrangled Epstein's infamous plea deal became Trump's labor secretary.

    But Bill Gates met Epstein a handful of times, therefore something "was going on"


  • #103
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    enno99 wrote: »
    LOL you seem Twiggered by a spelling mistake

    Nahh, by the farcical assertion by you that this garbage is 'research'.


  • #104
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Ipso wrote: »
    Maybe = let's run with it

    Profound


  • #105
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Nahh, by the farcical assertion by you that this garbage is 'research'.

    Ignore it and move on others might get something from it :D


  • #106
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Many people met with Epstein, including Trump. They were long-time friends and literal neighbours, one gathering in the nineties comprised of Trump, Epstein and 28 models. It's widely reported they fell out in 2004 over a property deal years before Epsteins indictment. The guy that wrangled Epstein's infamous plea deal became Trump's labor secretary.

    But Bill Gates met Epstein a handful of times, therefore something "was going on"

    Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His past

    Gates knew for sure he was a kiddie fiddler


  • #107
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »
    Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His past

    3 times according to your article.

    Elon Musk also met Epstein in 2011. Alec Baldwin, Ralph Fiennes, Stephen Hawking, Courtney Love. Prominent scientists, including nobel winners. Pick your target.

    Famous people with connections to illicit or underage sex? Bowie, Presley, Jagger, Tyler, it's a long list - it doesn't mean that people who met them or did business with them automatically knew them as paedophiles, or automatically engaged in illicit acts themselves

    Was Gates involved in anything other than attempting to soliciting funds from Epstein for philantrophy? no evidence

    Has Gates distanced himself from meeting Epstein? absolutely

    Did Gates have a friendship or business relationship with Epstein? no evidence


  • #108
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    enno99 wrote: »
    Profound

    I feel a twiggering a comin


  • #109
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    3 times according to your article.

    Elon Musk also met Epstein in 2011. Alec Baldwin, Ralph Fiennes, Stephen Hawking, Courtney Love. Prominent scientists, including nobel winners. Pick your target.

    Famous people with connections to illicit or underage sex? Bowie, Presley, Jagger, Tyler, it's a long list - it doesn't mean that people who met them or did business with them automatically knew them as paedophiles, or automatically engaged in illicit acts themselves

    Was Gates involved in anything other than attempting to soliciting funds from Epstein for philantrophy? no evidence

    Has Gates distanced himself from meeting Epstein? absolutely

    Did Gates have a friendship or business relationship with Epstein? no evidence

    Didn’t the golden (well orangish) god party with Epstein? And wasn’t Epstein cut a nice deal bu someone with links to his justice department? All down the memory hole, I suppose.


  • #110
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    3 times according to your article.

    Elon Musk also met Epstein in 2011. Alec Baldwin, Ralph Fiennes, Stephen Hawking, Courtney Love. Prominent scientists, including nobel winners. Pick your target.

    Famous people with connections to illicit or underage sex? Bowie, Presley, Jagger, Tyler, it's a long list - it doesn't mean that people who met them or did business with them automatically knew them as paedophiles, or automatically engaged in illicit acts themselves

    Was Gates involved in anything other than attempting to soliciting funds from Epstein for philantrophy? no evidence

    Has Gates distanced himself from meeting Epstein? absolutely

    Did Gates have a friendship or business relationship with Epstein? no evidence

    But Gates knew

    See you have it backwards Epstein was soliciting money from Gates

    He knowingly worked with him and tried to hide it
    Sure he distanced himself from the friendship when it was revealed


    Perhaps most notably, Epstein appeared to serve as an intermediary between the lab and other wealthy donors, soliciting millions of dollars in donations from individuals and organizations, including the technologist and philanthropist Bill Gates and the investor Leon Black. According to the records obtained by The New Yorker and accounts from current and former faculty and staff of the media lab, Epstein was credited with securing at least $7.5 million in donations for the lab, including two million dollars from Gates and $5.5 million from Black, gifts the e-mails describe as “directed” by Epstein or made at his behest. The effort to conceal the lab’s contact with Epstein was so widely known that some staff in the office of the lab’s director, Joi Ito, referred to Epstein as Voldemort or “he who must not be named.”

    In October, 2014, the Media Lab received a two-million-dollar donation from Bill Gates; Ito wrote in an internal e-mail, “This is a $2M gift from Bill Gates directed by Jeffrey Epstein.” Cohen replied, “For gift recording purposes, we will not be mentioning Jeffrey’s name as the impetus for this gift.” A mandatory record of the gift filed within the university stated only that “Gates is making this gift at the recommendation of a friend of his who wishes to remain anonymous.”

    He wrote that future filings related to Epstein should be submitted only “if there is a way to do it quietly.” An agent for Gates wrote to the leadership of the Media Lab, stating that Gates also wished to keep his name out of any public discussion of the donation.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-an-elite-university-research-center-concealed-its-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein


  • #111
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Ipso wrote: »
    Didn’t the golden (well orangish) god party with Epstein? And wasn’t Epstein cut a nice deal bu someone with links to his justice department? All down the memory hole, I suppose.

    LOL


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  • #112
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »

    He knowingly worked with him and tried to hide it
    Sure he distanced himself from the friendship when it was revealed

    Yeah, have read the article. I've met certain people plenty of times whom I'm not friends with nor have I any business relationship with.

    There's no evidence to suggest Gates was "friends" with or did business directly with Epstein. However this being a conspiracy forum some individuals just want to selectively hint at something unspecific via "guilt by association" to indirectly attack character. In this case it's fine that X was friends with Epstein for two decades, but not fine that Y met Epstein 3 times.


  • #113
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yeah, have read the article. I've met certain people plenty of times whom I'm not friends with nor have I any business relationship with.

    There's no evidence to suggest Gates was "friends" with or did business directly with Epstein. However this being a conspiracy forum some individuals just want to selectively hint at something unspecific via "guilt by association" to indirectly attack character. In this case it's fine that X was friends with Epstein for two decades, but not fine that Y met Epstein 3 times.

    X found out he was dodgy he kicked him out of his club

    Y knew he was dodgy gave him money
    :)


  • #114
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    enno99 wrote: »
    Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His past

    Gates knew for sure he was a kiddie fiddler
    How many times did Trump meet with him?
    Or did Trump just not know about the crimes?


  • #115
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »
    X found out he was dodgy he kicked him out of his club

    Y knew he was dodgy gave him money
    :)

    Interesting take..

    Trump was self-professed friends with the guy for nearly 2 decades and had a falling out over a property deal

    Gates didn't give Epstein money. He donated money to MIT labs, which allegedly in one case Epstein indirectly handled.

    Context is important.


  • #116
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Trump was self-professed friends with the guy for nearly 2 decades and had a falling out over a property deal

    Gates didn't give Epstein money. He donated money to MIT labs, which allegedly in one case Epstein indirectly handled.

    Context is important.
    Context is important:
    MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the MIT research lab in October 2014.

    Many meetings between Gates & Epstien the two wealthy men, including one in New York in 2013 that preceded a ride to Palm Beach in one of Epstein's private planes, along with Gates' former chief scientific adviser (alternate executor to Epstein's will).

    The lab's director, Ito, along with its former Director of Development and Strategy, Peter Cohen, and other Media Lab staffers sustained efforts for a number of years to receive anonymous donations from Epstein, and gave him the ability to influence how they were spent.

    The aforementioned email sent by Ito in October 2014 said: "This is a $2M gift from Bill Gates 'directed' by Jeffrey Epstein." Cohen replied with "For gift recording purposes, we will not be mentioning Jeffrey's name as the impetus for this gift."

    This all is perhap provides good groundwork for further potential CTs, as MIT Labs are behind Gate's directly funded somewhat sinister technology embodiment product patents (of which there are many) created by his personal MIT team.

    Along with Gates-Epstien-Cohen, you also have the Rockerfellas (via Gates ID project: id2020.org). The founder of id2020 (pushing DigitalID's to everyone on the planet, and the end of cash), is directly linked to MIT also.

    It's all sounding a bit like a 'cult/club' of shady chaps (with a similar background), perhaps with a big unified global agenda.

    Plenty of illuminated material available here with a bit of digging, for a bestseller book or movie.
    Someone call Dan Brown lol, could have another bestseller on the cards in a few years.


  • #117
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Zoie Billions Soda wrote: »
    Context is important:
    MIT Media Lab directors that say the convicted sex offender "directed" Gates to donate $2 million to the MIT research lab in October 2014.

    "Dozens of pages of e-mails and other documents obtained by The New Yorker reveal that, although Epstein was listed as “disqualified” in M.I.T.’s official donor database, the Media Lab continued to accept gifts from him, consulted him about the use of the funds, and, by marking his contributions as anonymous, avoided disclosing their full extent, both publicly and within the university. Perhaps most notably, Epstein appeared to serve as an intermediary between the lab and other wealthy donors, soliciting millions of dollars in donations from individuals and organizations, including the technologist and philanthropist Bill Gates and the investor Leon Black."
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-an-elite-university-research-center-concealed-its-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein

    Notice how it's about donated money. Not soliciting underaged girls.

    And what's the conspiracy here?

    Epstein was wealthy and very well connected, regardless of his personal life, he met with countless rich, famous, and powerful people, including 2 US presidents, and he donated a shed-load of money - which a rather wide range of people certainly didn't mind receiving from him, especially scientists for pet projects. What is truly bizarre is that of all the people he met, Bill Gates is singled out by the same types who happen to suspect Bill of all sorts of fantastical conspiracies, and then.. nothing. It's just guilt by association.

    It's not like there is any evidence of illicit or nefarious activity between J Epstein and Bill Gates.


  • #118
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    "Dozens of pages of e-mails and other documents obtained by The New Yorker reveal that, although Epstein was listed as “disqualified” in M.I.T.’s official donor database, the Media Lab continued to accept gifts from him, consulted him about the use of the funds, and, by marking his contributions as anonymous, avoided disclosing their full extent, both publicly and within the university. Perhaps most notably, Epstein appeared to serve as an intermediary between the lab and other wealthy donors, soliciting millions of dollars in donations from individuals and organizations, including the technologist and philanthropist Bill Gates and the investor Leon Black."
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-an-elite-university-research-center-concealed-its-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein

    Notice how it's about donated money. Not soliciting underaged girls.

    And what's the conspiracy here?

    Epstein was wealthy and very well connected, regardless of his personal life, he met with countless rich, famous, and powerful people, including 2 US presidents, and he donated a shed-load of money - which a rather wide range of people certainly didn't mind receiving from him, especially scientists for pet projects. What is truly bizarre is that of all the people he met, Bill Gates is singled out by the same types who happen to suspect Bill of all sorts of fantastical conspiracies, and then.. nothing. It's just guilt by association.

    It's not like there is any evidence of illicit or nefarious activity between J Epstein and Bill Gates.

    Perhaps reading the thread would enlighten you


  • #119
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »
    Perhaps reading the thread would enlighten you

    I've been reading the thread. This is a conspiracy forum, what conspiracy is Bill Gates involved in?


  • #120
    Covieland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Covieland


    Imagine being Bill Gates right now?

    You spend 30 years of your life and $50 billion of your own dollars supporting humanitarian causes. You directly save hundreds of thousands of lives in South East Asia by providing anti-malaria netting to half of a continent, you drop infant mortality rates throughout the entire developing world by funding vaccine programs including vaccinating 40000000 children for polio, and, amongst a plethora of philanthropic endeavors, you fund free educational platforms like Khan Academy so people can have free access to high-quality education.

    Then after donating half of your wealth to charity and pledging 90% of the remainder to charity in your will..

    Arguably doing more to better life on earth for humanity than any other human being to ever live.

    You then hop on the internet only to find a million scientifically illiterate imbeciles that are using the very computers you pretty much invented in the first place to call you a child-murdering arch-villain antichrist because they watched a YouTube video made by some other yokel with the comprehension of a potato.

    (found this post online, couldn't find who the author is)


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  • #121
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Covieland wrote: »
    (found this post online, couldn't find who the author is)
    In other words, you have done zero research of your own, and did an old copy paste job.


    The polio jabs in India, have had very mixed feedback, he hasn't been invited back since, along with some other regions.



    Money is meaningless when your dripping with obsense wealth (he recently splashed out $m's on another additional personal huge mansion in Florida).



    He's on the cusp of more wealth (and control), has a shed load of technology health patents and technology platforms (he's actually a nerdy technologist at heart, not anything else), that are not only invasive, but could be a bigger earner than Windows, in the longer term.


  • #122
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Zoie Billions Soda wrote: »
    He's on the cusp of more wealth (and control), has a shed load of technology health patents and technology platforms (he's actually a nerdy technologist at heart, not anything else), that are not only invasive, but could be a bigger earner than Windows, in the longer term.

    Are you trying to suggest this man is giving away all this money to earn more money for himself?


  • #123
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Can anyone explain what the conspiracy is here?

    All this vague hinting with nothing of substance. What specific nefarious deed is Mr Gates pulling off right now?


  • #124
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭Harika


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Can anyone explain what the conspiracy is here?

    All this vague hinting with nothing of substance. What specific nefarious deed is Mr Gates pulling off right now?

    Since this population control thing went on, 1.5 billion people were added to earth's population. He seems to be doing a very bad job


  • #125
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Covieland wrote: »
    Imagine being Bill Gates right now?

    You spend 30 years of your life and $50 billion of your own dollars supporting humanitarian causes. You directly save hundreds of thousands of lives in South East Asia by providing anti-malaria netting to half of a continent, you drop infant mortality rates throughout the entire developing world by funding vaccine programs including vaccinating 40000000 children for polio, and, amongst a plethora of philanthropic endeavors, you fund free educational platforms like Khan Academy so people can have free access to high-quality education.

    Then after donating half of your wealth to charity and pledging 90% of the remainder to charity in your will..

    Arguably doing more to better life on earth for humanity than any other human being to ever live.

    You then hop on the internet only to find a million scientifically illiterate imbeciles that are using the very computers you pretty much invented in the first place to call you a child-murdering arch-villain antichrist because they watched a YouTube video made by some other yokel with the comprehension of a potato.

    (found this post online, couldn't find who the author is)

    You would have to wonder if these guys are as alturistic as they seem
    Donate stock to your own charity write it off in taxes and still control the stock


    Gates, the world’s richest man, donated $4.6 billion worth of shares in Microsoft Corp in June — making this his largest donation in 17 years. Gates donated 64 million shares earlier this summer, according to a Securities & Exchange Commission filing released Monday and first shared by Bloomberg.

    The shares account for 5% of Gates’s fortune, and the donation reduced Gates’s stake in Microsoft stock to 1.3%. It is unclear who the recipient of the gift is, but it’s likely it will go to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    https://money.com/bill-gates-donation-4-6-billion/


    Donating stock to charity offers a win-win for both you and the organization you’re donating to. A donation of stock allows you to deduct the full market value of the stock from your taxable income. Essentially, you’re taking a capital gain that you would otherwise owe taxes on and converting it into a deduction that will save you taxes on your normal income, so you’re avoiding taxes in two places. And the charity gets a larger donation than they could expect if you had to sell the stock and pay capital gains tax prior to making your donation.

    https://www.gobankingrates.com/taxes/deductions/donate-stock-charity-tax-deduction/

    The Giving Pledge Is Just A Glorified Tax Break: Critics

    The brainchild of Warren Buffett and Bill and Melinda Gates, the Giving Pledge encourages the world’s richest people to pledge a majority of their wealth to charity while they’re still living. The goal is for members to have more control over how their money is distributed, and to motivate others to get involved in philanthropy.

    But, after four years, some say that the initiative is more self-congratulatory and self-serving than anything else.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/giving-pledge-critics_n_4776265


    Against Big Philanthropy
    Philanthropy sounds nice, but it’s still a tax-sheltered way that plutocrats exercise power, says Stanford's Rob Reich.

    Then, with money that would have otherwise have gone to the government, where at least there is nominal democratic control over spending priorities, the philanthropists use that money on whatever social purpose they’ve decided to support.

    Is this system, as Reich describes it, really one that any democracy would want?

    “Instead of extending our enormous gratitude to the greatest philanthropists among us as these icons of civic beneficence, we should be scrutinizing and criticizing them,” Reich said. “Not because philanthropy is necessarily bad, but because it is an exercise of power.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/against-philanthropy/563834/


    More and more wealthy CEOs are pledging to give away parts of their fortunes – often to help fix problems their companies caused. Some call this ‘philanthrocapitalism’, but is it just corporate hypocrisy? By Carl Rhodes and Peter Bloom

    In the CEO society, corporate logic such as this rules supreme, and ensures that any activities thought of as generous and socially responsible ultimately have a payoff in terms of self-interest. If there was ever a debate between the ethics of genuine hospitality, reciprocity and self-interest, it is not to be found here. It is in accordance with this CEO logic that the mechanisms for redressing the inequality created through wealth generation are placed in the hands of the wealthy, and in a way that ultimately benefits them. The worst excesses of neoliberal capitalism are morally justified by the actions of the very people who benefit from those excesses. Wealth redistribution is placed in the hands of the wealthy, and social responsibility in the hands of those who have exploited society for personal gain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/24/the-trouble-with-charitable-billionaires-philanthrocapitalism


  • #126
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »
    You would have to wonder if these guys are as alturistic as they seem

    He and Melinda will give away at least 99% of their wealth. Not just dumping it on charities, but making sure it actually does something, like tackling issues of healthcare and poverty at source.

    But you seem to be suggesting there's something nefarious going on, what is it exactly?

    What's the conspiracy?


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  • #127
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    enno99 wrote: »
    Wealth redistribution is placed in the hands of the wealthy, and social responsibility in the hands of those who have exploited society for personal gain.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/may/24/the-trouble-with-charitable-billionaires-philanthrocapitalism

    Huh? How've Warren Buffet and Bill Gates exploited society for personal gain? They ran businesses they built. They employed tens of thousands of people, most of whom were well compensated and contributed, as a result of that compensation, to society's benefit.

    FD: Microsoft employee for 10 years. Best employers I ever worked for. Had a couple e-mail conversations with Gates himself.


  • #128
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Huh? How've Warren Buffet and Bill Gates exploited society for personal gain?
    Both already dripping with obsene levels of personal wealth (Gates already owns a US$147.5 million mansion) but has just bought another $8.7m mansion in Florida last month ...hardly slumming it.

    Buffet plays (bets) the stock market, hedge funds and so on. He just lost $21bn Q12020 on bad bets (his equity portfolio is currently in free fall). Most of his gifts/donations were singular and selective, to just to Bill Gates & Co.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    FD: Microsoft employee for 10 years. Best employers I ever worked for.
    Vested interests.
    Also a decade with one employer means you lack variety, to compare with.

    Windows Vista was vomit, Win10 (like previous) is plagued with security isues, and now has constant updates to resolve this. Has close to zero presence on Mobile where Android & iOS both rule the GUI.

    Any view on this years MS Patent?: WO2020060606
    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

    Published March 2020, just 1 week after Gates jumped ship. Maybe the invasive technology embodiments using a user's body (radiation emitted, fluid flow, brain waves, pulse rate or body heat) to create a digital wallet and cryptocurrency (MS Azure Blockchain) system would've left a bad PR taste.

    Or Bill's funded Quantum dot tattoo:
    https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2019018301A1/en
    Another invasive embodiment and data mark (much like a barcode tattoo on the arm) purposed towards (at least) 7bn vaccines, that correlates with MS/Gates other pet project (towards DigitalIDs for everyone on the planet), via id2020.org (his other partners GAVI & Rockerfellas).

    Previous to this Gates, had a more sinister actual Chip implant (not just RFID, iRed data marks or passive antennas) that delivered 16yrs worth of hormones, planned for 100m women in Africa, via a remote control luckily it was never realised:
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2014/jul/11/design-futures-remote-controlled-contraceptive-microchip-launch-by-2018

    Transhumanism would be fine and dandy as a gradual evolving event towards 2040/50. However the big push, (conveniently) on the back of COVID, potentially within 9-24mths might need some consideration.


  • #129
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Huh? How've Warren Buffet and Bill Gates exploited society for personal gain? They ran businesses they built. They employed tens of thousands of people, most of whom were well compensated and contributed, as a result of that compensation, to society's benefit.

    FD: Microsoft employee for 10 years. Best employers I ever worked for. Had a couple e-mail conversations with Gates himself.




    "We are like prisoners," one worker at KYE Factory told the NLC, according to the report. "It seems like we live only to work. We do not work to live. We do not live a life, only work."
    That is one of the many statements casting a cloud over Microsoft's labor practices. Microsoft has been outsourcing production to the KYE factory since at least 2003, the NLC found, and the factory often makes peripherals such as mice, keyboards and webcams.

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/290590

    https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-slammed-over-child-labor-accusations-2010-4?op=1&r=US&IR=T



    And then you have a few old, “good” billionaires who bestow trustworthy, grandfatherly advice, and spread the wisdom of prudent management and boring, reliable investing strategies. But according to a new investigative report, even Warren Buffett, the poster, uh, grandfather for this kind of benevolent magnate doesn’t have the cleanest hands.

    “Clayton systematically pursues unwitting minority homebuyers and baits them into costly subprime loans, many of which are doomed to fail,” Mike Baker and Daniel Wagner write. Their alarming piece details practices such as Clayton employees lying about being the only lender on a Navajo reservation — and getting caught on tape telling the falsehood.

    The report found that Vanderbilt Mortgage, the lending arm of Clayton, lends with extremely high interest rates for minorities as opposed to their white counterparts. According to Baker and Wagner, “Federal data shows that Vanderbilt typically charges black people who make over $75,000 a year slightly more than white people who make only $35,000.”

    https://money.com/warren-buffett-berkshire-hathaway-clayton-homes-scandal/


    Apple, Microsoft, Tesla accused of profiting from child labor in cobalt mines


    Industry giants fail to tackle child labour allegations in cobalt battery supply chains

    No action taken Microsoft - Lenovo - Renault - Vodafone - Huawei - L&F - Tianjin B&M - BYD - Coslight - Shenzhan BAK - ZTE

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-giants-fail-to-tackle-child-labour-allegations-in-cobalt-battery-supply-chains/

    But its not all bad they can go home after a day in the mines to their comfy mosquito net :rolleyes:


  • #130
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Zoie Billions Soda wrote: »
    Both already dripping with obsene levels of personal wealth (Gates already owns a US$147.5 million mansion) but has just bought another $8.7m mansion in Florida last month ...hardly slumming it.

    Buffet plays (bets) the stock market, hedge funds and so on. He just lost $21bn Q12020 on bad bets (his equity portfolio is currently in free fall). Most of his gifts/donations were singular and selective, to just to Bill Gates & Co.

    So, where's society being exploited again? It seems like his money, his risk. Don't you wish you could do the same?
    Vested interests.
    Also a decade with one employer means you lack variety, to compare with.
    Not my first rodeo by far; I had a career I expect you can only dream about.

    Windows Vista was vomit, Win10 (like previous) is plagued with security isues, and now has constant updates to resolve this. Has close to zero presence on Mobile where Android & iOS both rule the GUI.
    Yes, and they're selling lots of product and each year-on-year revenues go up.
    You're likely typing at a Windows O/S, or your ISP uses one to run its servers, plus any backend databases as well.
    Any view on this years MS Patent?: WO2020060606
    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606
    We had a discussion about this and as I pointed out, Microsoft has lots of patents. This one seems harmless enough; have you done a study of all patents in this area to understand what MS's competitors might have done at the same time?
    Published March 2020, just 1 week after Gates jumped ship. Maybe the invasive technology embodiments using a user's body (radiation emitted, fluid flow, brain waves, pulse rate or body heat) to create a digital wallet and cryptocurrency (MS Azure Blockchain) system would've left a bad PR taste.
    As was pointed out, you have no idea of Bill Gates's timeline with MS if you think he 'jumped ship' in 2020.
    Or Bill's funded Quantum dot tattoo:
    https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2019018301A1/en
    Another invasive embodiment and data mark (much like a barcode tattoo on the arm) purposed towards (at least) 7bn vaccines, that correlates with MS/Gates other pet project (towards DigitalIDs for everyone on the planet), via id2020.org (his other partners GAVI & Rockerfellas).
    Learn to spell Rockefeller, as in Rockefeller University, which I think is what you're ineptly trying to refer to. As I recall you claimed it was all sinister and hidden, yet, you could find it on Google.
    Previous to this Gates, had a more sinister actual Chip implant (not just RFID, iRed data marks or passive antennas) that delivered 16yrs worth of hormones, planned for 100m women in Africa, via a remote control luckily it was never realised:
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2014/jul/11/design-futures-remote-controlled-contraceptive-microchip-launch-by-2018

    Transhumanism would be fine and dandy as a gradual evolving event towards 2040/50. However the big push, (conveniently) on the back of COVID, potentially within 9-24mths might need some consideration.

    Oh, he's running the Covid outbreak now too? Transhumanism? Someone else pointed out on this thread that actually none of the products you're on about exist. But hey, whatever.


  • #131
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    He and Melinda will give away at least 99% of their wealth. Not just dumping it on charities, but making sure it actually does something, like tackling issues of healthcare and poverty at source.



    The late Robert W. Wilson, a philanthropist who donated $600 million over the course of his lifetime, expressed this concern when Bill Gates approached him about joining the Pledge.

    After Wilson committed suicide last year at age 87, BuzzFeed obtained emails exchanged between him and Gates in 2010.

    In one email, Wilson wrote that he was adamantly opposed to joining the Pledge because of a “loophole”:

    Your ‘Giving Pledge’ has a loophole that renders it practically worthless, namely permitting pledgees to simply name charities in their wills. I have found that most billionaires or near billionaires hate giving large sums of money away while alive and instead set up family-controlled foundations to do it for them after death. And these foundations become, more often than not, bureaucracy-ridden sluggards.

    Other detractors have expressed fear that the Giving Pledge would serve as a tax haven for the wealthy, and a way to set up trusts for their children.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/giving-pledge-critics_n_4776265


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  • #132
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Igotadose wrote: »
    So, where's society being exploited again? It seems like his money, his risk. Don't you wish you could do the same?.
    Play the lotto now and again, sure. Hedge funds gambling with other's millions, or short selling stocks, nope.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    Not my first rodeo by far; I had a career I expect you can only dream about.
    Yet you've plenty of time for boards, you should have the head in a nerdy book instead, to keep up with emmerging technologies.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    Yes, and they're selling lots of product and each year-on-year revenues go up.
    So you've no comment on the crapfest that is Windows from a user experience view, ah sure as long as they're flogging goods in their reducing marketplace share.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    You're likely typing at a Windows O/S
    Wrong, lolz!
    Igotadose wrote: »
    We had a discussion about this and as I pointed out, Microsoft has lots of patents. This one seems harmless enough; have you done a study of all patents in this area to understand what MS's competitors might have done at the same time?
    That's your view, Gates also has unique access to the MIT team that dreams up thess bodily embodiments. Whataboutery of other's patents does not hold any comparable water. Closest comparison might be Clearview perhaps.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    As was pointed out, you have no idea of Bill Gates's timeline with MS if you think he 'jumped ship' in 2020.
    He (founder) was on the board at that time, although he left, he still carries influence and claimed will continue to steer the CEO, esp for 'healthcare software' (and implants) of which his interest is via vaccines, e-currency and Digital ID's.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    Learn to spell Rockefeller, as in Rockefeller University, which I think is what you're ineptly trying to refer to. As I recall you claimed it was all sinister and hidden, yet, you could find it on Google.
    Rockerfellas is a colloquialism, but you do have to question their involvement with id2020.org, as both founder and funder. A plan to push digital IDs on everyone on the planet, ticks many boxes of curiousity.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    Oh, he's running the Covid outbreak now too?
    Are you claiming this? Simply a very convienent opportunity.
    Although he ran this exact scenario few months beforehand, like a wet dream.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    Transhumanism?
    Look it up in a dictionary, maybe.
    Igotadose wrote: »
    Someone else pointed out on this thread that actually none of the products you're on about exist. But hey, whatever.
    All patented.
    All with proof of concept.
    All with (or had) plans for deployment.

    https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2019018301A1/en
    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2014/jul/11/design-futures-remote-controlled-contraceptive-microchip-launch-by-2018

    But hey, whatever dude!


  • #133
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Zoie Billions Soda wrote: »
    Play the lotto now and again, sure. Hedge funds gambling with other's millions, or short selling stocks, nope.
    Don't go into finance. It won't work for you

    Yet you've plenty of time for boards, you should have the head in a nerdy book instead, to keep up with emmerging technologies.
    Helps to be retired for the last 7 years.

    So you've no comment on the crapfest that is Windows from a user experience view, ah sure as long as they're flogging goods in their reducing marketplace share.
    Not on a 'do you trust thread' under the CT forum. Feel free to gripe about Windows on one of the related fora. Let me tell you, when I worked there the griping about that crapfest was WAY worse than you see in RL. But, all software is just bugs at a certain point in their maturity.

    That's your view, Gates also has unique access to the MIT team that dreams up thess bodily embodiments. Whataboutery of other's patents does not hold any comparable water. Closest comparison might be Clearview perhaps.
    Unique? And they're the only team working on this bodily control automation?

    One patent out of tens of thousands and he's taking over the world because it sounds catchy. Uhuh.
    All patented.
    All with proof of concept.
    All with (or had) plans for deployment.

    https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2019018301A1/en
    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2014/jul/11/design-futures-remote-controlled-contraceptive-microchip-launch-by-2018
    Same as before - all patented, nothing implemented, nothing happening.
    But hey, whatever dude!
    Absolutely! On this we can agree


  • #134
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »
    "We are like prisoners," one worker at KYE Factory told the NLC,

    You are literally paste-dumping anything negative you can find on Bill Gates (and now Microsoft)

    Again, this is a conspiracy sub, what is the conspiracy here?


  • #135
    gar32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    Bill Gates is pushing vaccines on the poor children of the world while hie is increasing his stock in BIG Pharma who will supply the said vaccines. The companies will get paid for the vaccines 1 way or another. Vaccines have some good and some bad like most subjects. There is currently a protest in Africa that they don't want to be test subjects for Bill's Covid 19 vaccine. Not in main stream media but happening !!!!


  • #136
    Harika
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭Harika


    gar32 wrote: »
    Bill Gates is pushing vaccines on the poor children of the world while hie is increasing his stock in BIG Pharma who will supply the said vaccines. The companies will get paid for the vaccines 1 way or another. Vaccines have some good and some bad like most subjects. There is currently a protest in Africa that they don't want to be test subjects for Bill's Covid 19 vaccine. Not in main stream media but happening !!!!

    The Africa protest is something really serious as poor countries were used to test medicamentations . Still for the thread where is the link to conspiracy and gates as he is mainly engaged in very effective and old vaccination like Polio that cost peanuts compared to a high tech medicament that uses stem cell technology.


  • #137
    Macdarack
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Macdarack


    Bill Gates =one of the best. That's all.


  • #138
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    gar32 wrote: »
    Bill Gates is pushing vaccines on the poor children of the world while hie is increasing his stock in BIG Pharma who will supply the said vaccines. The companies will get paid for the vaccines 1 way or another. Vaccines have some good and some bad like most subjects. There is currently a protest in Africa that they don't want to be test subjects for Bill's Covid 19 vaccine. Not in main stream media but happening !!!!

    There's so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start.

    Gates supports getting vaccines to the poorest, because they don't always have access to them (whereas in wealthier countries do)
    Vaccines have some good and some bad like most subjects.

    No, just no. Vaccines work. There are very isolated cases with individuals and some vaccines, these are exceptions, not systematic
    There is currently a protest in Africa that they don't want to be test subjects for Bill's Covid 19 vaccine. Not in main stream media but happening

    They aren't the "test subjects". People like Gates want early vaccines to go to the poorest because typically they would be the last to receive them (in the global rush)

    Jesus christ


  • #139
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Yea I'd give him a loan of a few quid


  • #140
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You are literally paste-dumping anything negative you can find on Bill Gates (and now Microsoft)

    And your ignoring whats going on in the thread


  • #141
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You are literally paste-dumping anything negative you can find on Bill Gates (and now Microsoft)

    Again, this is a conspiracy sub, what is the conspiracy here?
    But remember, Donald Trump can do no wrong and is perfectly innocent in all things.


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  • #142
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »
    And your ignoring whats going on in the thread

    It's a conspiracy forum, where's the conspiracy? this is just a couple of people trying to attack Bill Gates of all people, which is so bizarre considering he's one of the nicer people out there.

    Likewise, I've seen threads with edgelords people attacking David Attenborough (??), same thing as this.


  • #143
    enno99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's a conspiracy forum, where's the conspiracy? this is just a couple of people trying to attack Bill Gates of all people, which is so bizarre considering he's one of the nicer people out there.

    Likewise, I've seen threads with edgelords people attacking David Attenborough (??), same thing as this.


    On the contrary nice guys dont use child labour to make their products

    Or sit on the boards of companys that discriminate against minorities

    This from the previous article
    A slew of more qualitative problems is detailed as well: employees complaining about institutional misleading of Spanish-speaking borrowers with non-translated documents; a company culture laden with racist comments and insults; and plenty more. All together the Times and Buzzfeed News talked to more than 280 experts, former employees, and customers.

    We havent even got into his dealings with the Bonnie and Clyde of charity fraud the Clintons
    Ranbaxy (fined 500 million for distrubiting adulterated drugs to poor black people) Gilead sciences.Dr Fauchi ,Dr Brix etc

    The swamp has its own corner for drug dealers it seems


  • #144
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    enno99 wrote: »
    On the contrary nice guys dont use child labour to make their products
    https://www.nelp.org/publication/trump-administration-moves-roll-back-child-labor-rules-expose-teen-workers-hazardous-jobs/


    https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/usa-govt-contractors-accused-of-profiting-from-separation-detention-of-migrant-asylum-seeking-families
    enno99 wrote: »
    Or sit on the boards of companys that discriminate against minorities
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump#Housing_discrimination_cases


  • #145
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    King Mob wrote: »
    But remember, Donald Trump can do no wrong and is perfectly innocent in all things.
    *Topic diversion alert*.


  • #146
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Zoie Billions Soda wrote: »
    *Topic diversion alert*.

    Not really. Just illustrating that there's a bit of a double standard going on.

    The things that you cats are accusing Bill Gates of also apply to some one Enno99 claimed was a completely innocent guy "who just did some bad deals".

    Trump also had dealings with Epstein.
    Trump is also a fan of child labour.
    Trump is a massive racist and specifically was on the board of a company that engaged in discrimination.

    Yet, these things will no doubt be ignored, because conspiracy theorists have no interest in Trump. For some reason.

    Bill Gates however is the subject of strange, ill defined and vague accusations based on very little.
    Your bizarre religious based conspiracy theory being a perfect example.


  • #147
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    King Mob wrote: »
    Trump also had dealings with Epstein.
    Trump is also a fan of child labour.
    Trump is a massive racist and specifically was on the board of a company that engaged in discrimination.
    *Obvious whataboutery Trump-hater diversion alert*.



    The primary concerns of Gates & Co, are related primarily to vaccines, digitial identity programs, invasiave body embodiments, digital cryptocurrency, sinister product patents and associations with others, of obsene wealth and influence all with similar interests.

    Anything else is secondary, temporary, and generally thus a diversion.
    Oh... and before someone (JohnDoe) asks (yet again) 'So what's the CT?"

    Maybe read this thread or other similar ones from page 1 (or even last few pages), before 'playing dumb' and repeating this silly question.


  • #148
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    enno99 wrote: »
    On the contrary nice guys dont use child labour to make their products

    Gates has stepped away from MS and the claim itself is a lawsuit against Apple, Google, MS, Dell and Tesla who are indirectly accused of using child labour (via a Cobalt mine in Congo)

    It demonstrates you are dredging the internet for anything to attack Gates with for whatever reasons

    "I hate X, here's a bunch of indirect negative stuff on the internet"

    Unless of course you want to explain what the conspiracy is..


  • #149
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Zoie Billions Soda wrote: »
    *Obvious whataboutery Trump-hater diversion alert*.
    But it's not whataboutery. I'm just highlighting the double standard being applied.

    And not really sure what about posting those links makes me a "Trumphater".

    And also not sure why you think the "something-alert" thing is funny or witty.
    Zoie Billions Soda wrote: »
    The primary concerns of Gates & Co, are related primarily to vaccines, digitial identity programs, invasiave body embodiments, digital cryptocurrency, sinister product patents and associations with others, of obsene wealth and influence all with similar interests.
    All of which you guys are misrepresenting on the flimsiest of premises.
    All of which you can't actually detail beyond your vague accusations and insinuations.

    And in your case, all of which are based on bizarre fringe religious beliefs that render your claims dismissible on the face of them.


  • #150
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Zoie Billions Soda wrote: »
    The primary concerns of Gates & Co, are related primarily to vaccines, digitial identity programs, invasiave body embodiments, digital cryptocurrency, sinister product patents and associations with others, of obsene wealth and influence all with similar interests.

    These are your personal concerns and those of complete fruitcakes on the internet: people who literally believe he created Coronavirus or that he wants to use vaccines to implant microchips and other whacky conspiracies


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  • #151
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I remember when there used to be actual conspiracies on this forum, now it's just these bizarre and vague muck-flinging exercises


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